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Have Liverpool Bottled It?

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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
I think they have

Just hope United take advantage
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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
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[mod]#1
No. :)
banned#2
possibly:?
banned#3
I doubt mind games will work on HUKD! :w00t:
#4
Because they drew at Stoke, who have a better home record than Chelsea? I don't think so, no.
#5
When That Fat Spanish Waiter had his rant on Thursday I knew the pressure had got to him . This just added to the pressure they are under and when it comes to the end of season run-in then Fergie IS the master . Anyone remember Keegan LOL .
I would just love it ...........:thumbsup:
#6
Ferguson is just a wind up merchant. Methinks shauneco may be the same.
#7
Syzable;4026378
No. :)

+1
dog_cop;4026386
possibly:?

+2
#8
ericcartman
When That Fat Spanish Waiter had his rant on Thursday I knew the pressure had got to him . This just added to the pressure they are under and when it comes to the end of season run-in then Fergie IS the master . Anyone remember Keegan LOL .
I would just love it ...........:thumbsup:


Yep, It's all clear now, He made me laugh when I read it, The pressures on, United are very good under pressure. He's an amateur, Fergie wins.
#9
Liverpool have still only lost 1 league game all season. Stoke played for a draw yesterday with effective defensive tatics. Whilst it is not the best result neither is it a terrible one. If Stoke are to stay up this season it will be due to the points they pick up at home which they know and play accordingly. The draw against Stoke at Anfield was a worse result

Ferguson clearly sees Liverpool as a threat this season and whilst everyone knows Man U are stronger after New Year it must be also remembered that Benitez's teams are always stronger in the second half of the season a lot of which is due to the fact that his players arent as tired due to the rotation policy

Rafa has done everyone a favour in speaking out against Ferguson's rants against the officials whether they be referees or the FA. Ferguson has needed to pulled over these outbursts for a long time now.

It will be interesting to see how Ferguson copes with the pressure if Inter put them out of the Champs League and Liverpool & Chelsea are still in the hunt for the league!!
banned#10
roryk83
Liverpool have still only lost 1 league game all season.


So Spurs are the only team to beat them (and done so twice!) ?
#11
Fergie has little influence over the ref's, Everything evens itself out over the coarse of the season, Sour grapes from most teams.

Most the big teams get the decisions, It's just how it is.
#12
shauneco
Fergie has little influence over the ref's, Everything evens itself out over the coarse of the season, Sour grapes from most teams.

Most the big teams get the decisions, It's just how it is.


If it has little effect why does Ferguson do it every season?
#13
shauneco


Most the big teams get the decisions, It's just how it is.


True, and the main reason for the big teams getting more penalties etc... than the bottom clubs is that the better teams are attacking more often and so spend more time in the oppositions box which obviously leads to more penalties!! Winds me up when people complain that the smaller clubs never get the decisions, as its blatently obvious why this is the case!!! :roll:
#14
U.n.i.t.e.d!
#15
Cantona_7
True, and the main reason for the big teams getting more penalties etc... than the bottom clubs is that the better teams are attacking more often and so spend more time in the oppositions box which obviously leads to more penalties!! Winds me up when people complain that the smaller clubs never get the decisions, as its blatently obvious why this is the case!!! :roll:


Absolutely, United usually employ an attacking team.
banned#16
shauneco
Fergie has little influence over the ref's, Everything evens itself out over the coarse of the season, Sour grapes from most teams.

Most the big teams get the decisions, It's just how it is.


Any particular reason he keeps his mouth firmly shut in Europe?
banned#17
guv;4026672
Any particular reason he keeps his mouth firmly shut in Europe?

yeah they dont understand his accent :w00t:
#18
yes we have bottled it united are the best team ever and liverpool have no chance

:rolleyes:
#19
roryk83
If it has little effect why does Ferguson do it every season?


Wenger does it, Mourinho did it, Gareth Southgate does it, They all speak out.

I don't think words can do any harm anyway, However saying your team is poor can have a morale effect on their own players.

Freedom of speech, Why shouldn't managers voice an opinion to the FA anyway? Surely it'd have a negative effect if anything.

The truth is Fergie may enjoy a rant but it's the ref's who make the decisions, If the ref's aren't professional then they should be sacked.
#20
shauneco
Wenger does it, Mourinho did it, Gareth Southgate does it, They all speak out.

I don't think words can do any harm anyway, However saying your team is poor can have a morale effect on their own players.

Freedom of speech, Why shouldn't managers voice an opinion to the FA anyway? Surely it'd have a negative effect if anything.

The truth is Fergie may enjoy a rant but it's the ref's who make the decisions, If the ref's aren't professional then they should be sacked.


But surely the refs are gona be influenced by all the media discussion that follows from Fergie's rant - whether consciously or not. If he genuinely holds these beliefs why not voice them behind closed doors to the head of the relevant authorities? Surely that would the professional way to conduct yourself?
#21
roryk83
But surely the refs are gona be influenced by all the media discussion that follows from Fergie's rant - whether consciously or not. If he genuinely holds these beliefs why not voice them behind closed doors to the head of the relevant authorities? Surely that would the professional way to conduct yourself?


They shouldn't read papers or listen to all the hype, Their supposed to be professional.
#22
roryk83
But surely the refs are gona be influenced by all the media discussion that follows from Fergie's rant - whether consciously or not. If he genuinely holds these beliefs why not voice them behind closed doors to the head of the relevant authorities? Surely that would the professional way to conduct yourself?


To be honest, with his record, he must be doing something right and after being in management for 35 years if he was really that unprofessional he wouldnt be still in the game....In 1999, he became the first manager to lead an English team to the treble of league championship, FA Cup and UEFA Champions League. As well as being the only manager to win the FA Cup five times, he is also the only manager ever to win three successive league championships in the top flight in England with the same club (1998–1999, 1999–2000 and 2000–2001). In 2008, he joined Brian Clough (Nottingham Forest) and Bob Paisley (Liverpool) as only the third British manager to win the European Cup on more than one occasion.
#23
shauneco
Everything evens itself out over the coarse of the season

No, it doesn't. Seriously, think about it instead of just parroting cliches. How exactly would that work?

In terms of probability, it doesn't work like that. If you flip a coin 38 times, you're not that likely to to get exactly 19 heads and 19 tails. If it was random, it would not just magically even itself out over the course of the season.

So it wouldn't happen just by chance. The only way everything would even itself out is if the referees deliberately conspired to make it even out by getting decisions wrong on purpose to 'even out' the decisions they'd got wrong previously.
#24
Sure we're disappointed not to win last night but Villa and Arsenal both lost there and there will be plenty more dropped points, shock results etc. come May.
#25
Cantona_7
To be honest, with his record, he must be doing something right and after being in management for 35 years if he was really that unprofessional he wouldnt be still in the game....In 1999, he became the first manager to lead an English team to the treble of league championship, FA Cup and UEFA Champions League. As well as being the only manager to win the FA Cup five times, he is also the only manager ever to win three successive league championships in the top flight in England with the same club (1998–1999, 1999–2000 and 2000–2001). In 2008, he joined Brian Clough (Nottingham Forest) and Bob Paisley (Liverpool) as only the third British manager to win the European Cup on more than one occasion.


Theres a difference between successful and professional. I wouldnt call these rants or kicking boots into a player's face professional behaviour - and if that had been done in any other job sector he would have been dismissed for that!
#26
shauneco
They shouldn't read papers or listen to all the hype, Their supposed to be professional.


I agree. But in all probability no one can say that refs arent in any way influenced by the media - Fergie is the first to relise this and thats why he does the rants in public
#27
Aengil
No, it doesn't. Seriously, think about it instead of just parroting cliches. How exactly would that work?

In terms of probability, it doesn't work like that. If you flip a coin 38 times, you're not that likely to to get exactly 19 heads and 19 tails. If it was random, it would not just magically even itself out over the course of the season.

So it wouldn't happen just by chance. The only way everything would even itself out is if the referees deliberately conspired to make it even out by getting decisions wrong on purpose to 'even out' the decisions they'd got wrong previously.


All teams have decisions "For" And "Against" them, They make right and wrong decisions, As well as getting penalty decisions for us last season we got plenty penalty decisions turned down. Rightfully and wrongfully.

No of coarse sometimes it may work in our favour as well as not in our favour. Not an exact science but a reasonable assumption.
#28
roryk83
Theres a difference between successful and professional. I wouldnt call these rants or kicking boots into a player's face professional behaviour - and if that had been done in any other job sector he would have been dismissed for that!


In what sector would he have been dismissed for his actions?? Giving his opinions when asked at press confrences or during interviews is not unprofessional!! And as for the boot kicking in the face incident i think u will find many people think this was a cover up for a scuffle between players than Fergie preferred to take the blame for rather than get his players in trouble...
#29
roryk83
I agree. But in all probability no one can say that refs arent in any way influenced by the media - Fergie is the first to relise this and thats why he does the rants in public


Then he should be merited for that, If it works then perhaps other managers should take a leaf out his book.
#30
Cantona_7
In what sector would he have been dismissed for his actions?? Giving his opinions when asked at press confrences or during interviews is not unprofessional!! And as for the boot kicking in the face incident i think u will find many people think this was a cover up for a scuffle between players than Fergie preferred to take the blame for rather than get his players in trouble...


You cant think of a job sector where an employee would be dismissed for kicking a boot into another employee's face????:w00t:

Dont make me laugh with that theory of a cover up
1 Like #31
shauneco
Then he should be merited for that, If it works then perhaps other managers should take a leaf out his book.


Maybe so - but my original point was that he does it because of this potential influence. Its not exactly good sportmanship
#32
shauneco
Then he should be merited for that, If it works then perhaps other managers should take a leaf out his book.


+1 , he is not stupid, if he can make any kind of influence in favour of United then he will do it!! Its not unprofessional, and i think you could call it very professional and very clever. I re-iterate, his record is second to none and if what he did was really that bad he wouldnt still be in the game!!!
1 Like #33
If united win all the games in hand, 3 matches we go top
#34
strike
If united win all the games in hand, 3 matches we go top


+1 point clear
#35
United United Till I Die
1 Like #36
roryk83
You cant think of a job sector where an employee would be dismissed for kicking a boot into another employee's face????:w00t:

Dont make me laugh with that theory of a cover up


Dont make you laugh? Do you think a boot would really cause that much damage to the eye, a right hook looked much more like the culprit! And you cant compare high end level sport with other sectors, i mean someone would get dismissed for punching someone in the face but boxers obviously dont! And if you think that all managers just ask their players nicely to play better in the second half during half time team talks then you are very much mistaken. I suggest you watch the barry fry documentary, tea cups flying, f'ing and blinding, grabbing players by the shirt etc.... its all part of the game.
#37
Cantona_7
Dont make you laugh? Do you think a boot would really cause that much damage to the eye, a right hook looked much more like the culprit! And you cant compare high end level sport with other sectors, i mean someone would get dismissed for punching someone in the face but boxers obviously dont! And if you think that all managers just ask their players nicely to play better in the second half during half time team talks then you are very much mistaken. I suggest you watch the barry fry documentary, tea cups flying, f'ing and blinding, grabbing players by the shirt etc.... its all part of the game.


It may all be part of the game but that does not make it behaviour fitting of a "professional"

Of course you can compare other job sectors to high end level sports. There are standards expected from you no matter what your employment. Yes you would be dismissed for punching another employee in the face but in the case of your example boxers arent because upon entering the ring they are fully consenting to undertake what is expected from boxing and to conform to the PROFESSIONAL standards of boxing

Maybe it was Fergie who gave Becks the "right hook"!!
#38
roryk83
It may all be part of the game but that does not make it behaviour fitting of a "professional"

Of course you can compare other job sectors to high end level sports. There are standards expected from you no matter what your employment. Yes you would be dismissed for punching another employee in the face but in the case of your example boxers arent because upon entering the ring they are fully consenting to undertake what is expected from boxing and to conform to the PROFESSIONAL standards of boxing

Maybe it was Fergie who gave Becks the "right hook"!!


I see where you are coming from but at the end of the day, millions and millions of pounds are at stake and so its Fergusons job to get the best results for the team, and if that means risking the odd 3 match for some comments made in the press then he will gladly take the ban (as he has done this season already) and move on. A managers employment contract does not say, i will make sure i mind my language and say my pleases and thank you's when doing press conferences, they are employed to help the team win as many points as possible, and i think no one can argue that Ferguson has done this better than any other manager. Therefore i would say he has fulfilled his em[loyment contract very well indeed!
1 Like #39
shauneco
All teams have decisions "For" And "Against" them, They make right and wrong decisions, As well as getting penalty decisions for us last season we got plenty penalty decisions turned down. Rightfully and wrongfully.

No of coarse sometimes it may work in our favour as well as not in our favour. Not an exact science but a reasonable assumption.

No, it's not a reasonable assumption. It's flat-out wrong. If referees aren't deliberately getting decisions wrong, it's very unlikely to even out by chance. If you understand anything about probability, you should understand that.

People like to say it doesn't matter when officials get it wrong 'because it all evens out', but that's just not true. It matters a lot. That's why it's important that officials get it right - and that attempts to bring undue pressure on them are punished.
banned#40
Aengil
No, it's not a reasonable assumption. It's flat-out wrong. If referees aren't deliberately getting decisions wrong, it's very unlikely to even out by chance. If you understand anything about probability, you should understand that.

People like to say it doesn't matter when officials get it wrong 'because it all evens out', but that's just not true. It matters a lot. That's why it's important that officials get it right - and that attempts to bring undue pressure on them are punished.


Spot on. :thumbsup:

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