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This young student has decided to make a small list of the groups and organisations who have condemn Terrorist attacks and are Muslims the list is around 712 pages long and is growing and is by no mea… Read More
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This young student has decided to make a small list of the groups and organisations who have condemn Terrorist attacks and are Muslims the list is around 712 pages long and is growing and is by no means exhaustive it's just done by one Muslim student I thought to share it on here as a lot of people think that real Muslims don't condemn Terrorist attacks.

this is the website link and if u click on the tweet what inspired this young lady to make the list u can see the story behind it.

https://muslimscondemn.com



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e8BjMW36CMNc4-qc9UNQku0blstZSzp5FMtkdlavqzc/htmlview
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It doesn't suit the media's agenda so most people won't hear about it unfortunately.
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haritori
Are all Muslims Terrorists? NoAre all Terrorists Muslims? Pretty MuchMuslims need accept that 99% of terrorism is due to extremist ideology based on a Muslim faith, therefore there is a serious issue within the Muslim community, and anyone sticking their fingers into their ears and shouting "isnt my religions fault mate" are part of the problem too.


What do you expect when the UK and US have been bombing half the middle east for nearly 20 years. Do those civilian lives not matter? The same day as these attacks 480+ civilians were killed in the middle east as collateral damage by the US. Who is mourning for them? Obviously most of the terrorists are muslims because the countires that have been terrorised by the US and UK are majority muslim countries.

How long do you think it can last before somebody retaliates, no killing is condoned, but how many lives of iraqis, afghans, lebanese etc are equal to one life of a western person. Millions upon millions have been killed there and it continues to happen. Its the epitomy of hypocrisy, if a minute silence was held for them we would be silent most of the time. Their lives and homes have been demolised by the foreign policy, you wouldnt let somebody get away with stealing a car let alone your family, home and livlihood.

As bad as the middle east was before the invasion, it was no where near as bad as it is now. If their homes are deatroyed, they seek revenge, mostly out of neccesity, on the other hand the US and UK invasion is completely voluntary. As with Hitler, was killing him payback for the 6 million jews he killed? No! The problem lies at home, they **** where others eat, only a matter of time before the favour was returned

The truth is the truth.

Edited By: master10 on Jun 07, 2017 08:43: -
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Are all Muslims Terrorists? No

Are all Terrorists Muslims? Pretty Much

Muslims need accept that 99% of terrorism is due to extremist ideology based on a Muslim faith, therefore there is a serious issue within the Muslim community, and anyone sticking their fingers into their ears and shouting "isnt my religions fault mate" are part of the problem too.

Edited By: haritori on Jun 07, 2017 07:41:

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It doesn't suit the media's agenda so most people won't hear about it unfortunately.
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Lots of people write comments along the lines of "Muslims need to do more".
My question is what is it that these people are expecting them to do exactly?
And what are they measuring that against?
4 Likes #3
They expect 'specific' people to spot & stop nutters like Jo Cox's killer... oh wait..
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most of these have been reported by their own family to the police etc. what more do they want then to do.
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As a UK non Muslim I am seeing a pattern where Muslim leaders are reporting to the Police. There's nothing more they should be expected to do. I would have thought the only gripe within the Muslim community may well be why is is assistance not getting certain people off the street.

For me the way forward has to be engaging the Muslim community in a more meaningful way in the difficult task of eradicating the tiny numbers of radicals that become known.

To Nmaster, thankfully Jo Cox's killer is a much rarer happening in the UK and now is not the time to be side stepping the issue we all have of trying to feel safe on the streets of the UK. Jo Cox's killer would have walked past me and you to get his target. The London killers what have struck as both down if we were in their way
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Saying you condemn these acts and actually doing something about it are two entirely different things.
I hear a lot of reports of condemnation but I've personally not seen any of these people actually standing up against their brothers.
Peaceful marches against these people by these people who apparently condemn them would be a start!
Until that happens I take everything they say with a pinch of salt.
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Nmaster
They expect 'specific' people to spot & stop nutters like Jo Cox's killer... oh wait..


why do people bring up the Jo cox murder?
why not Stephen Timms attempted murder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11682732
All they are doing is trying to point out a fault within a different community to their own.
The difference being, Jo Cox and Stephen Timms were 'one offs' and hopefully will remain that way.
The terrorists who are attacking everyone now have one thing in common.
4 Likes #8
shadey12
why do people bring up the Jo cox murder?why not Stephen Timms attempted murder.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11682732All they are doing is trying to point out a fault within a different community to their own.The difference being, Jo Cox and Stephen Timms were 'one offs' and hopefully will remain that way.The terrorists who are attacking everyone now have one thing in common.


They're all men? is that the answer?
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Are all Muslims Terrorists? No

Are all Terrorists Muslims? Pretty Much

Muslims need accept that 99% of terrorism is due to extremist ideology based on a Muslim faith, therefore there is a serious issue within the Muslim community, and anyone sticking their fingers into their ears and shouting "isnt my religions fault mate" are part of the problem too.

Edited By: haritori on Jun 07, 2017 07:41:
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It's silly, parents report their terrorist children and schools do too, the mosque and its members tip off the police, beyond that there's nothing else to do.

People also call for imams to be much tougher on potential radicals, yet, we don't see priests telling the police when paedophiles confess to them.
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dragonline77
It's silly, parents report their terrorist children and schools do too, the mosque and its members tip off the police, beyond that there's nothing else to do.
People also call for imams to be much tougher on potential radicals, yet, we don't see priests telling the police when paedophiles
confess to them.

It really is time to concentrate on the Islamic issue. It's about time we all worked together and Muslims have a major role to play in this. I've said it a few times now, but it's looking like the muslim community are stepping up to the plate and reporting people in the community they believe are cause for concern, yet the police don't seem to have the manpower/or the legal powers to take off the street people that could/would kill you, me and our families.

Take a look at Abu Haleema, no decent minded person should have an issue with new laws to jail this troublesome man

And to OP. Condemnation, whilst helpful is not the crux of the matter. The Muslim community is well placed to assist the nation in removing this cancer from our streets

Edited By: OllieSt on Jun 07, 2017 08:02: update
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haritori
Are all Muslims Terrorists? NoAre all Terrorists Muslims? Pretty MuchMuslims need accept that 99% of terrorism is due to extremist ideology based on a Muslim faith, therefore there is a serious issue within the Muslim community, and anyone sticking their fingers into their ears and shouting "isnt my religions fault mate" are part of the problem too.


What do you expect when the UK and US have been bombing half the middle east for nearly 20 years. Do those civilian lives not matter? The same day as these attacks 480+ civilians were killed in the middle east as collateral damage by the US. Who is mourning for them? Obviously most of the terrorists are muslims because the countires that have been terrorised by the US and UK are majority muslim countries.

How long do you think it can last before somebody retaliates, no killing is condoned, but how many lives of iraqis, afghans, lebanese etc are equal to one life of a western person. Millions upon millions have been killed there and it continues to happen. Its the epitomy of hypocrisy, if a minute silence was held for them we would be silent most of the time. Their lives and homes have been demolised by the foreign policy, you wouldnt let somebody get away with stealing a car let alone your family, home and livlihood.

As bad as the middle east was before the invasion, it was no where near as bad as it is now. If their homes are deatroyed, they seek revenge, mostly out of neccesity, on the other hand the US and UK invasion is completely voluntary. As with Hitler, was killing him payback for the 6 million jews he killed? No! The problem lies at home, they **** where others eat, only a matter of time before the favour was returned

The truth is the truth.

Edited By: master10 on Jun 07, 2017 08:43: -
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Destard
Lots of people write comments along the lines of "Muslims need to do more".My question is what is it that these people are expecting them to do exactly?And what are they measuring that against?


I would say its pay more attention to these people and report them and kick the haters out of mosques and community centres etc but these latest nutters show its the police that should do more, they were kicked out, they were reported several times.

We need the police cuts reversed, we need more police on and off the streets, more intelligence people. We have all the laws we need already.

I also think a Change in our society will help these people not to end up so jaded in the first place, we need to look after the sick and the poor etc a fare society where people feel valued, we need better mental health services across the board for young and old, we need to stop arming countries like S.A and we need to stop bombing people, bombs are the enemy of all people around the world and its only going to get worse as it gets computerised, boots on the ground if needs be have a far better impact on the mind then dropping bombs from the sky, we had it here ourselves in the blitz bombs are terror weapons and cowardly they cause animosity for generations fat more then troops.

Think of things like ww2 you think of the blitz of the A-bomb, Vietnam napalm, iraq shock and awe. This modern warfare has a powerful effect on the mind, the bombers are unfazed it seems like an alien world none of there own are lost so it doesn't matter, those under the bombs or those who feel solidarity with them see it as heartless the commercialism of war, indiscriminate and cowardly.

We need to tackle Everything that goes about to mold the mindset that leads to terrorism not just the radical teaching but the triggers that make someone susceptible to it.

Edited By: Error440 on Jun 07, 2017 08:16: Jun 07, 2017 08:16
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Time for a cooling off IMO.

So many countries offer a great, safe place to live, lets shut down visa and EU citizen muslim access to the UK.

That way we can take a good look at the situation and begin to build a fresh start, without an influx of new radicals who we do not even know there details.

Too many muslims are coming to the UK to live in muslim ghettos, to live a muslim life, separated from the us by identity, dress and view on life.

They must be distributed around the country, fellow Brits must make them feel included in our wider communities.

The government should give muslims time and opportunity to leave for a new life somewhere else if they wish to live in large muslim communities.

There are those here who feel like they wont ever fit in or even do not want to fit in. An invitation to foreign nations to send envoys here to present opportunities else where should be encouraged.

Peace and opportunity for all those who want it. A free and fair exit for those who do not. unicorn (angel)
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Below are perhaps some of the detestable reasons why people are frustrated with the risk posed to a free and open society, often anti-uk, anti-west and anti-Israel just being a foil for these groups;

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/muslim-chaplains-distributing-islamist-extremist-inmates-inside-britains-prisons-1555686

London attack linked to hate preacher Anjem Choudary's extremist network

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/7/590x/19n01qturda-365978.jpg

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/7/590x/SausageServlet-378486.jpg

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/50f293b22c1d4701bd0719fc8e61e1d5/islam-al-muhajiroun-walthamstow-muslim-group-bffbrt.jpg
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1616french
Saying you condemn these acts and actually doing something about it are two entirely different things.I hear a lot of reports of condemnation but I've personally not seen any of these people actually standing up against their brothers.Peaceful marches against these people by these people who apparently condemn them would be a start!Until that happens I take everything they say with a pinch of salt.


Have you condemned let alone done anything about the millions of innocents killed in the middle east... No didnt think so, the hypocrisy is beyond belief. Only afects you when it hits home, no thought for the whole of humanity.
1 Like #17
OllieSt
dragonline77
It's silly, parents report their terrorist children and schools do too, the mosque and its members tip off the police, beyond that there's nothing else to do.
People also call for imams to be much tougher on potential radicals, yet, we don't see priests telling the police when paedophiles
confess to them.

It really is time to concentrate on the Islamic issue. It's about time we all worked together and Muslims have a major role to play in this. I've said it a few times now, but it's looking like the muslim community are stepping up to the plate and reporting people in the community they believe are cause for concern, yet the police don't seem to have the manpower/or the legal powers to take off the street people that could/would kill you, me and our families.

Take a look at Abu Haleema, no decent minded person should have an issue with new laws to jail this troublesome man

And to OP. Condemnation, whilst helpful is not the crux of the matter. The Muslim community is well placed to assist the nation in removing this cancer from our streets


What about the western countries and their foreign policies, if the muslim community have to do a job why not the western people (whatever we are classified as these days). Stop the hypocrisy and terrorism, killed millions of innocent civilains, children, women families, countries in the middle east. What are you doing to stop that? Its ok for muslims to condemn everything but others must do the same. What goes aeound comes around.... Truley looks to be the case now unfortunately. Sad, very sad but true.
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master10
What about the western countries and their foreign policies, if the muslim community have to do a job why not the western people (whatever we are classified as these days). Stop the hypocrisy and terrorism, killed millions of innocent civilains, children, women families, countries in the middle east. What are you doing to stop that? Its ok for muslims to condemn everything but others must do the same. What goes aeound comes around.... Truley looks to be the case now unfortunately. Sad, very sad but true.


what would you suggest in Syria?

Let Assad and IS kill the Syrian people or intervene?

Blame the West is the favourite go-to chant of those who refuse to accept the problems of ideology and play the victim every time.
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master10
What do you expect when the UK and US have been bombing half the middle east for nearly 20 years. Do those civilian lives not matter? The same day as these attacks 480+ civilians were killed in the middle east as collateral damage by the US. Who is mourning for them? Obviously most of the terrorists are muslims because the countires that have been terrorised by the US and UK are majority muslim countries. How long do you think it can last before somebody retaliates, no killing is condoned, but how many lives of iraqis, afghans, lebanese etc are equal to one life of a western person. Millions upon millions have been killed there and it continues to happen. Its the epitomy of hypocrisy, if a minute silence was held for them we would be silent most of the time. Their lives and homes have been demolised by the foreign policy, you wouldnt let somebody get away with stealing a car let alone your family, home and livlihood. As bad as the middle east was before the invasion, it was no where near as bad as it is now. If their homes are deatroyed, they seek revenge, mostly out of neccesity, on the other hand the US and UK invasion is completely voluntary. As with Hitler, was killing him payback for the 6 million jews he killed? No! The problem lies at home, they **** where others eat, only a matter of time before the favour was returnedThe truth is the truth.

Most victims of Islamist violence are Muslims; Islamists are slaughtering Christians throughout Africa and have almost wiped out Christianity in Iraq; they are trying to attack Russia and China. Western foreign policy has nothing to do with the world-wide jihad that is under way.
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airfix
master10
What do you expect when the UK and US have been bombing half the middle east for nearly 20 years. Do those civilian lives not matter? The same day as these attacks 480+ civilians were killed in the middle east as collateral damage by the US. Who is mourning for them? Obviously most of the terrorists are muslims because the countires that have been terrorised by the US and UK are majority muslim countries. How long do you think it can last before somebody retaliates, no killing is condoned, but how many lives of iraqis, afghans, lebanese etc are equal to one life of a western person. Millions upon millions have been killed there and it continues to happen. Its the epitomy of hypocrisy, if a minute silence was held for them we would be silent most of the time. Their lives and homes have been demolised by the foreign policy, you wouldnt let somebody get away with stealing a car let alone your family, home and livlihood. As bad as the middle east was before the invasion, it was no where near as bad as it is now. If their homes are deatroyed, they seek revenge, mostly out of neccesity, on the other hand the US and UK invasion is completely voluntary. As with Hitler, was killing him payback for the 6 million jews he killed? No! The problem lies at home, they **** where others eat, only a matter of time before the favour was returnedThe truth is the truth.

Most victims of Islamist violence are Muslims; Islamists are slaughtering Christians throughout Africa and have almost wiped out Christianity in Iraq; they are trying to attack Russia and China. Western foreign policy has nothing to do with the world-wide jihad that is under way.


I wont be responding to your uneducated claims, already did in the other thread and when you didnt like it, got all the posts removed.
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davewave
master10
OllieSt
dragonline77
It's silly, parents report their terrorist children and schools do too, the mosque and its members tip off the police, beyond that there's nothing else to do.
People also call for imams to be much tougher on potential radicals, yet, we don't see priests telling the police when paedophiles
confess to them.

It really is time to concentrate on the Islamic issue. It's about time we all worked together and Muslims have a major role to play in this. I've said it a few times now, but it's looking like the muslim community are stepping up to the plate and reporting people in the community they believe are cause for concern, yet the police don't seem to have the manpower/or the legal powers to take off the street people that could/would kill you, me and our families.

Take a look at Abu Haleema, no decent minded person should have an issue with new laws to jail this troublesome man

And to OP. Condemnation, whilst helpful is not the crux of the matter. The Muslim community is well placed to assist the nation in removing this cancer from our streets


What about the western countries and their foreign policies, if the muslim community have to do a job why not the western people (whatever we are classified as these days). Stop the hypocrisy and terrorism, killed millions of innocent civilains, children, women families, countries in the middle east. What are you doing to stop that? Its ok for muslims to condemn everything but others must do the same. What goes aeound comes around.... Truley looks to be the case now unfortunately. Sad, very sad but true.


what would you suggest in Syria?

Let Assad and IS kill the Syrian people or intervene?

Blame the West is the favourite go-to chant of those who refuse to accept the problems of ideology and play the victim every time.


Well Asad's regime is very much debateable. But its funny how all of those countries invaded: Iraq, Afhgan etc were supposedly upside down before and now they are perfect? Ask anyone from there, they are even worse. Nobody can deny than millions of civilians have been killed in the middle of this war, how many lives is acceptable?

If the foreign policy was truely about peace, they would have invaded Iran and maybe Saudi, but they know thats too difficult and wouldnt be anywhere near as easy to do so. Iran is much worse than Syria. Instead they have deals with these countries, believe it or not its all for financial gain.

No doubt there is now more extremism, but as I was saying you have to look at the root causes. You cant simply turn a blind eye, you may think its acceptable but to others its not.

Edited By: master10 on Jun 07, 2017 09:22: -
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Looks like Anjem Choudary has got his internet access back.
1 Like #23
master10
Well Asad's regime is very much debateable. But its funny how all of those countries invaded: Iraq, Afhgan etc were supposedly upside down before and now they are perfect? Ask anyone from there, they are even worse. Nobody can deny than millions of civilians have been killed in the middle of this war, how many lives is acceptable?If the foreign policy was truely about peace, they would have invaded Iran and maybe Saudi, but they know thats too difficult and wouldnt be anywhere near as easy to do so. Iran is much worse than Syria. Instead they have deals with these countries, believe it or not its all for financial gain.No doubt there is now more extremism, but as I was saying you have to look at the root causes. You cant simply turn a blind eye, you may think its acceptable but to others its not.


Assad killed more if his people than IS ... and its debatable?? ... I am shocked.
How many if his own people did Saddam kill?
And Gadaffi...

The campaign to wipe out other religions in Iraq and Syria is shocking and reveals the campaign being waged by Islamist terrorists...

Demonize the West for it's politics if it makes you feel better but all the while there are many terrorist groups across the world killing what they call non-believers and their scholars such as previously Bin Laden and similar self appointed scholars supported this campaign to conquer the world.
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
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master10
What do you expect when the UK and US have been bombing half the middle east for nearly 20 years. Do those civilian lives not matter? The same day as these attacks 480+ civilians were killed in the middle east as collateral damage by the US. Who is mourning for them? Obviously most of the terrorists are muslims because the countires that have been terrorised by the US and UK are majority muslim countries. How long do you think it can last before somebody retaliates, no killing is condoned, but how many lives of iraqis, afghans, lebanese etc are equal to one life of a western person. Millions upon millions have been killed there and it continues to happen. Its the epitomy of hypocrisy, if a minute silence was held for them we would be silent most of the time. Their lives and homes have been demolised by the foreign policy, you wouldnt let somebody get away with stealing a car let alone your family, home and livlihood. As bad as the middle east was before the invasion, it was no where near as bad as it is now. If their homes are deatroyed, they seek revenge, mostly out of neccesity, on the other hand the US and UK invasion is completely voluntary. As with Hitler, was killing him payback for the 6 million jews he killed? No! The problem lies at home, they **** where others eat, only a matter of time before the favour was returnedThe truth is the truth.


Justification is Justification..

Acts by governments are not acts by its civilians, those middle eastern countries are quite capable of bombing themselves as they do, as well as bombing their neighbours and again over sects of religious belief..

and they aren't content with bombing either are they, chemical and biological weapons are fair game in their countries of love and peace, burning children's & babies lungs.. Classy Governments and youre pushing that ours are in the wrong.

Edited By: haritori on Jun 07, 2017 10:04:
1 Like #26
master10
What do you expect when the UK and US have been bombing half the middle east for nearly 20 years. Do those civilian lives not matter? The same day as these attacks 480+ civilians were killed in the middle east as collateral damage by the US. Who is mourning for them? Obviously most of the terrorists are muslims because the countires that have been terrorised by the US and UK are majority muslim countries. How long do you think it can last before somebody retaliates, no killing is condoned, but how many lives of iraqis, afghans, lebanese etc are equal to one life of a western person. Millions upon millions have been killed there and it continues to happen. Its the epitomy of hypocrisy, if a minute silence was held for them we would be silent most of the time. Their lives and homes have been demolised by the foreign policy, you wouldnt let somebody get away with stealing a car let alone your family, home and livlihood. As bad as the middle east was before the invasion, it was no where near as bad as it is now. If their homes are deatroyed, they seek revenge, mostly out of neccesity, on the other hand the US and UK invasion is completely voluntary. As with Hitler, was killing him payback for the 6 million jews he killed? No! The problem lies at home, they **** where others eat, only a matter of time before the favour was returnedThe truth is the truth.

Your comment would make sense if attacks were only happening in the UK and US but they are not, muslims are slaughtering innocents all over the world, kidnapping and raping children in Africa, murdering christians in Egypt, killing other muslims all over the Middle East, the only thing these barbarians have in common is islam, so THAT is the problem that needs to be dealt with and if muslims are unwilling or unable to make the changes to fit in with the rest of civilisation then it will have to be sorted out from outside.
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master10
What do you expect when the UK and US have been bombing half the middle east for nearly 20 years. Do those civilian lives not matter? The same day as these attacks 480+ civilians were killed in the middle east as collateral damage by the US. Who is mourning for them? Obviously most of the terrorists are muslims because the countires that have been terrorised by the US and UK are majority muslim countries. How long do you think it can last before somebody retaliates, no killing is condoned, but how many lives of iraqis, afghans, lebanese etc are equal to one life of a western person. Millions upon millions have been killed there and it continues to happen. Its the epitomy of hypocrisy, if a minute silence was held for them we would be silent most of the time. Their lives and homes have been demolised by the foreign policy, you wouldnt let somebody get away with stealing a car let alone your family, home and livlihood. As bad as the middle east was before the invasion, it was no where near as bad as it is now. If their homes are deatroyed, they seek revenge, mostly out of neccesity, on the other hand the US and UK invasion is completely voluntary. As with Hitler, was killing him payback for the 6 million jews he killed? No! The problem lies at home, they **** where others eat, only a matter of time before the favour was returnedThe truth is the truth.


That's interesting. How do you explain a British born Pakistani Muslim driving at people on the street then slaying them with a 12 inch blade. Is this a Muslim thing or did I miss the bit where we bombed Pakistan?
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OllieSt
That's interesting. How do you explain a British born Pakistani Muslim driving at people on the street then slaying them with a 12 inch blade. Is this a Muslim thing or did I miss the bit where we bombed Pakistan?


The issue is that post independence, Pakistan in the main threw away the idea of democracy, education and infrastructure building and turn the country to a mess.

Its nothing to do with bombs, its a huge place with loads of people you could bomb 20% of that country and not hit a single living thing.

Give it up man.
#29
haritori
Justification is Justification..Acts by governments are not acts by its civilians, those middle eastern countries are quite capable of bombing themselves as they do, as well as bombing their neighbours and again over sects of religious belief..and they aren't content with bombing either are they, chemical and biological weapons are fair game in their countries of love and peace, burning children's & babies lungs.. Classy Governments and youre pushing that ours are in the wrong.


Did you mean to say "Apologist is Apologist"?

These rants read more like a call to arms than prayer to me.
#30
groenleader
OllieSt
That's interesting. How do you explain a British born Pakistani Muslim driving at people on the street then slaying them with a 12 inch blade. Is this a Muslim thing or did I miss the bit where we bombed Pakistan?
The issue is that post independence, Pakistan in the main threw away the idea of democracy, education and infrastructure building and turn the country to a mess.
Its nothing to do with bombs, its a huge place with loads of people you could bomb 20% of that country and not hit a single living thing.
Give it up man.

I'm not quite following your drift. If as I believe this has nothing to do with the bombing or killing of any particular country, but rather to with the death of any Muslim anywhere, then I still can't understand it. It's pretty much an attack on the West/Democracy. What aren't British Pakistanis slaughtering British Indians, it would be just as disgusting but more relevant. Muslims living in India are slaughtered on a regular basis.

Also have you looked at the present Assad's father's record. And don't forget their occupation of Lebanon for years. Of course that's not normally on the radar. The Arab spring failed throughout the region for a good reason. Unless Middle Eastern Muslims are ruled with an iron fist they fight. It seems that a large % of EU Muslims are able to adapt to live in a democracy but some can't.

Whilst I firmly believe that Muslim leaders are stepping up to the plate, I am not so sure the same can be said about the UK Muslim population en masse. This is info based on an ICM report. I have just got to believe it's not true, but if it is we have a major problem in this country
#31
Could you tell me why the Muslims have to condemn every act made by these terrorists. Every time there is another killing made by a so called Christian, do you guys condemn it publicly?
Of course 99.9% Muslims condemn this act and pray for the souls of the dead, do you guys do that. Muslims are humans too, they bleed too, they have feelings too.
#32
coys67
master10
What do you expect when the UK and US have been bombing half the middle east for nearly 20 years. Do those civilian lives not matter? The same day as these attacks 480+ civilians were killed in the middle east as collateral damage by the US. Who is mourning for them? Obviously most of the terrorists are muslims because the countires that have been terrorised by the US and UK are majority muslim countries. How long do you think it can last before somebody retaliates, no killing is condoned, but how many lives of iraqis, afghans, lebanese etc are equal to one life of a western person. Millions upon millions have been killed there and it continues to happen. Its the epitomy of hypocrisy, if a minute silence was held for them we would be silent most of the time. Their lives and homes have been demolised by the foreign policy, you wouldnt let somebody get away with stealing a car let alone your family, home and livlihood. As bad as the middle east was before the invasion, it was no where near as bad as it is now. If their homes are deatroyed, they seek revenge, mostly out of neccesity, on the other hand the US and UK invasion is completely voluntary. As with Hitler, was killing him payback for the 6 million jews he killed? No! The problem lies at home, they **** where others eat, only a matter of time before the favour was returnedThe truth is the truth.

Your comment would make sense if attacks were only happening in the UK and US but they are not, muslims are slaughtering innocents all over the world, kidnapping and raping children in Africa, murdering christians in Egypt, killing other muslims all over the Middle East, the only thing these barbarians have in common is islam, so THAT is the problem that needs to be dealt with and if muslims are unwilling or unable to make the changes to fit in with the rest of civilisation then it will have to be sorted out from outside.


No I think your mixing up a number of different things. Background, culture, history and religion.

The fact that you believe the religion is the sole reason for the issues shows your lack of knowledge. This is totally against the teaching of the Quran and authentic teachings by the prophet.
#33
plusoneaccessories786
Could you tell me why the Muslims have to condemn every act made by these terrorists. Every time there is another killing made by a so called Christian, do you guys condemn it publicly?
Of course 99.9% Muslims condemn this act and pray for the souls of the dead, do you guys do that. Muslims are humans too, they bleed too, they have feelings too.

I think that's the point: they're not supposed to. Divide and conquer.
1 Like #34
haritori
master10
What do you expect when the UK and US have been bombing half the middle east for nearly 20 years. Do those civilian lives not matter? The same day as these attacks 480+ civilians were killed in the middle east as collateral damage by the US. Who is mourning for them? Obviously most of the terrorists are muslims because the countires that have been terrorised by the US and UK are majority muslim countries. How long do you think it can last before somebody retaliates, no killing is condoned, but how many lives of iraqis, afghans, lebanese etc are equal to one life of a western person. Millions upon millions have been killed there and it continues to happen. Its the epitomy of hypocrisy, if a minute silence was held for them we would be silent most of the time. Their lives and homes have been demolised by the foreign policy, you wouldnt let somebody get away with stealing a car let alone your family, home and livlihood. As bad as the middle east was before the invasion, it was no where near as bad as it is now. If their homes are deatroyed, they seek revenge, mostly out of neccesity, on the other hand the US and UK invasion is completely voluntary. As with Hitler, was killing him payback for the 6 million jews he killed? No! The problem lies at home, they **** where others eat, only a matter of time before the favour was returnedThe truth is the truth.


Justification is Justification..

Acts by governments are not acts by its civilians, those middle eastern countries are quite capable of bombing themselves as they do, as well as bombing their neighbours and again over sects of religious belief..

and they aren't content with bombing either are they, chemical and biological weapons are fair game in their countries of love and peace, burning children's & babies lungs.. Classy Governments and youre pushing that ours are in the wrong.


If civilians are not to blame for governments, why are all muslims for the acts of a few. Nobody had the consensus from the every muslim to carry out the attacks.

The fact you think the governmenta are now civilised is also an issue. There is no consensus on morality and laws here, they change all the time. Theres been many acts in history to today where Us, Uk as with almost every other country has killed civilians, invaded others. But when the political gain or financial gain has been ach0ieved its easy to take the moral high ground.
#35
davewave
master10
davewave
master10
OllieSt
dragonline77
It's silly, parents report their terrorist children and schools do too, the mosque and its members tip off the police, beyond that there's nothing else to do.
People also call for imams to be much tougher on potential radicals, yet, we don't see priests telling the police when paedophiles
confess to them.

It really is time to concentrate on the Islamic issue. It's about time we all worked together and Muslims have a major role to play in this. I've said it a few times now, but it's looking like the muslim community are stepping up to the plate and reporting people in the community they believe are cause for concern, yet the police don't seem to have the manpower/or the legal powers to take off the street people that could/would kill you, me and our families.

Take a look at Abu Haleema, no decent minded person should have an issue with new laws to jail this troublesome man

And to OP. Condemnation, whilst helpful is not the crux of the matter. The Muslim community is well placed to assist the nation in removing this cancer from our streets


What about the western countries and their foreign policies, if the muslim community have to do a job why not the western people (whatever we are classified as these days). Stop the hypocrisy and terrorism, killed millions of innocent civilains, children, women families, countries in the middle east. What are you doing to stop that? Its ok for muslims to condemn everything but others must do the same. What goes aeound comes around.... Truley looks to be the case now unfortunately. Sad, very sad but true.


what would you suggest in Syria?

Let Assad and IS kill the Syrian people or intervene?

Blame the West is the favourite go-to chant of those who refuse to accept the problems of ideology and play the victim every time.


Well Asad's regime is very much debateable. But its funny how all of those countries invaded: Iraq, Afhgan etc were supposedly upside down before and now they are perfect? Ask anyone from there, they are even worse. Nobody can deny than millions of civilians have been killed in the middle of this war, how many lives is acceptable?

If the foreign policy was truely about peace, they would have invaded Iran and maybe Saudi, but they know thats too difficult and wouldnt be anywhere near as easy to do so. Iran is much worse than Syria. Instead they have deals with these countries, believe it or not its all for financial gain.

No doubt there is now more extremism, but as I was saying you have to look at the root causes. You cant simply turn a blind eye, you may think its acceptable but to others its not.


Assad killed more if his people than IS ... and its debatable?? ... I am shocked.
How many if his own people did Saddam kill?
And Gadaffi...

The campaign to wipe out other religions in Iraq and Syria is shocking and reveals the campaign being waged by Islamist terrorists...

Demonize the West for it's politics if it makes you feel better but all the while there are many terrorist groups across the world killing what they call non-believers and their scholars such as previously Bin Laden and similar self appointed scholars supported this campaign to conquer the world.


Exactly my point, self appointed. Nobody authorised them scholarly status. Its not just muslims, theres christians, budhists killing others, but you only read/see what you want. Throughout hpistory there has been wars by christians, atheists and the likes. Doesnt mean that everyone is held accountable for the acts.
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One thing, what are British Pakistanis?

People who want to live as Pakistanis in Britain? That's the problem imo you live here as British people.

British Scots? British English? Sounds like "British Pakistanis" is away not to integrate!
#37
OllieSt
groenleader
OllieSt
That's interesting. How do you explain a British born Pakistani Muslim driving at people on the street then slaying them with a 12 inch blade. Is this a Muslim thing or did I miss the bit where we bombed Pakistan?
The issue is that post independence, Pakistan in the main threw away the idea of democracy, education and infrastructure building and turn the country to a mess.
Its nothing to do with bombs, its a huge place with loads of people you could bomb 20% of that country and not hit a single living thing.
Give it up man.

I'm not quite following your drift. If as I believe this has nothing to do with the bombing or killing of any particular country, but rather to with the death of any Muslim anywhere, then I still can't understand it. It's pretty much an attack on the West/Democracy. What aren't British Pakistanis slaughtering British Indians, it would be just as disgusting but more relevant. Muslims living in India are slaughtered on a regular basis.

Also have you looked at the present Assad's father's record. And don't forget their occupation of Lebanon for years. Of course that's not normally on the radar. The Arab spring failed throughout the region for a good reason. Unless Middle Eastern Muslims are ruled with an iron fist they fight. It seems that a large % of EU Muslims are able to adapt to live in a democracy but some can't.

Whilst I firmly believe that Muslim leaders are stepping up to the plate, I am not so sure the same can be said about the UK Muslim population en masse. This is info based on an ICM report. I have just got to believe it's not true, but if it is we have a major problem in this country


For sure we have a problem, but its multidimensional, if you dont realise that, that is a major issue. We need to address issues within our country and at the cause. Including leaving other countries to rule themselves as we expect to do for ourselves.
#38
plusoneaccessories786
Could you tell me why the Muslims have to condemn every act made by these terrorists. Every time there is another killing made by a so called Christian, do you guys condemn it publicly?
Of course 99.9% Muslims condemn this act and pray for the souls of the dead, do you guys do that. Muslims are humans too, they bleed too, they have feelings too.


Yeah I think it a stupid waste of time. What is a far more productive project is working more closely with the Muslim community to get people off the street before they commit these horrible crimes. It's easy research to see that Mosque leaders are doing just that, but there's obviously a breakdown somewhere when the Police cannot get these people off the street. It may be incompetence, lack of funding or the law itself. Something has to change because what we're doing as a community is not working. I believe the police stopped 5 credible attacks on the UK mainland since Westminster bridge attack. that's amazing but 5 out of 7 cannot be statistics we can be prepared to live with.

In 2006 The Shadow Home Secretary, David Davis, who had called for action to be taken against Choudary, said: "It is quite disgraceful. It sends out a message to Muslim extremists that we, as a country, do not have the moral courage to stand up to them. I tend to agree with this statement.

To move forward must include the Muslim community. It's not apportioning blame, it's asking for help

Edited By: OllieSt on Jun 07, 2017 11:06
#39
groenleader
One thing, what are British Pakistanis?

People who want to live as Pakistanis in Britain? That's the problem imo you live here as British people.

British Scots? British English? Sounds like "British Pakistanis" is away not to integrate!


What does being British actually mean. Its meant to be a christian country, but how many are christians? I do belive that if you live in a country you should abide by its rules though.
#40
master10
OllieSt
groenleader
OllieSt
That's interesting. How do you explain a British born Pakistani Muslim driving at people on the street then slaying them with a 12 inch blade. Is this a Muslim thing or did I miss the bit where we bombed Pakistan?
The issue is that post independence, Pakistan in the main threw away the idea of democracy, education and infrastructure building and turn the country to a mess.
Its nothing to do with bombs, its a huge place with loads of people you could bomb 20% of that country and not hit a single living thing.
Give it up man.
I'm not quite following your drift. If as I believe this has nothing to do with the bombing or killing of any particular country, but rather to with the death of any Muslim anywhere, then I still can't understand it. It's pretty much an attack on the West/Democracy. What aren't British Pakistanis slaughtering British Indians, it would be just as disgusting but more relevant. Muslims living in India are slaughtered on a regular basis.

Also have you looked at the present Assad's father's record. And don't forget their occupation of Lebanon for years. Of course that's not normally on the radar. The Arab spring failed throughout the region for a good reason. Unless Middle Eastern Muslims are ruled with an iron fist they fight. It seems that a large % of EU Muslims are able to adapt to live in a democracy but some can't.

Whilst I firmly believe that Muslim leaders are stepping up to the plate, I am not so sure the same can be said about the UK Muslim population en masse. This is info based on an ICM report. I have just got to believe it's not true, but if it is we have a major problem in this country

For sure we have a problem, but its multidimensional, if you dont realise that, that is a major issue. We need to address issues within our country and at the cause. Including leaving other countries to rule themselves as we expect to do for ourselves.

I hear you, but we leave Pakistan alone to rule themselves, how do you explain that the ringleader terrorist is a British Pakistani?

Edited By: OllieSt on Jun 07, 2017 11:08

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