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#1
Thank goodness! It was all starting to get a bit too much. Well done! By the way, loving that avatar
#2
That helps me, I was wondering if titles released on HD-DVD will now be released on blu ray?
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pinkkitty2007
Thank goodness! It was all starting to get a bit too much. Well done! By the way, loving that avatar


Agreed :thumbsup: Every deal thread was starting to be filled with the same discussion.
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#4
shinerz
That helps me, I was wondering if titles released on HD-DVD will now be released on blu ray?


Eventually (probably within months) all HD DVD titles will be released on Blu-ray.
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shinerz
That helps me, I was wondering if titles released on HD-DVD will now be released on blu ray?


http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1606394&postcount=235
#6
thanks there were so many films i wanted I was tempted to buy a HD-DVD player
banned#7
Can I continue my chat with ikduncan here then? I know its not about HD vs Blu Ray but...

ikduncan
because as an owner of both systems i didnt really want to start a pointless mine is bigger than yours argument.

GTA5 is that a whole new title? thought they were only only GTAIV :-) pedantic.
(as for the xbox exclusive stuff, ill bet you its not as exciting as MS are trying to claim)

Your right about one though I still have mass effect, bioshock halo 3, pgr 4 all still sealed on 360 and ratchet & clank, the club, ut3 orange box and warhawk sealed for the ps3...

only issue with the xbox is you need noice cancelling headphones so you can actaully hear the audio over the noise of the unit :-)


Well I'm envious at you having both. My other half took a long time to agree to me getting the Xbox 360 (although given she then bought me one as a surprise birthday pressie I'm happy :))

Oops to the GTA5 mistake!

You got a point about the noise on some Xbox 360s but the newer ones are actually a lot quieter. I know as have had two now. The original was manufactured in Oct 2006 and was ridiculously noisy. Didn't like the high risk of red ring of death and wanted HDMI so sold that and now have a Sept 07 manufactured one. Did the torch test and confirmed it as being the newer 'Falcon' motherboard. After I bought it I ran them both together to compare and was astonished at how much quieter the new one was...

Might have to get a PS3 myself for Final Fantasy XIII and as a Blu Ray player.
#8
its all Blue ray this......and HD that......
#9
how long do we reckon before the BR/HD hybrids come out at a reasonable price....?

don't really want to shift all my HD-DVDs at a loss....
#10
jinjernuts
how long do we reckon before the BR/HD hybrids come out at a reasonable price....?

don't really want to shift all my HD-DVDs at a loss....


Not sure they ever will now....
#11
pondrew
Can I continue my chat with ikduncan here then? I know its not about HD vs Blu Ray but...



Well I'm envious at you having both. My other half took a long time to agree to me getting the Xbox 360 (although given she then bought me one as a surprise birthday pressie I'm happy :))

Oops to the GTA5 mistake!

You got a point about the noise on some Xbox 360s but the newer ones are actually a lot quieter. I know as have had two now. The original was manufactured in Oct 2006 and was ridiculously noisy. Didn't like the high risk of red ring of death and wanted HDMI so sold that and now have a Sept 07 manufactured one. Did the torch test and confirmed it as being the newer 'Falcon' motherboard. After I bought it I ran them both together to compare and was astonished at how much quieter the new one was...

Might have to get a PS3 myself for Final Fantasy XIII and as a Blu Ray player.


just found the new thread, my other half i swell aware i spend stupid amount on consoles/gadgets i think she just accepts it now :-)

The New 360 Elite I have now has a Benq drive and is much quieter than my day one premium with lg drive (it was like a 30 year old hoover, rather than the dyson) still rubbish compared to even my early US ps3 which i thought was silent until i bought a uk machine a couple of weeks ago which is literally whisper quiet. (still louder than my panasonic bd30 BD player though)
#12
djfluff
Not sure they ever will now....


Lg are the only people who are continuing this policy, so i think djfluff is correct noone will bother. As there will never be enough demand to get the prices lower.
#13
pondrew
Can I continue my chat with ikduncan here then? I know its not about HD vs Blu Ray but...



Well I'm envious at you having both. My other half took a long time to agree to me getting the Xbox 360 (although given she then bought me one as a surprise birthday pressie I'm happy :))

Oops to the GTA5 mistake!

You got a point about the noise on some Xbox 360s but the newer ones are actually a lot quieter. I know as have had two now. The original was manufactured in Oct 2006 and was ridiculously noisy. Didn't like the high risk of red ring of death and wanted HDMI so sold that and now have a Sept 07 manufactured one. Did the torch test and confirmed it as being the newer 'Falcon' motherboard. After I bought it I ran them both together to compare and was astonished at how much quieter the new one was...

Might have to get a PS3 myself for Final Fantasy XIII and as a Blu Ray player.


sorry to also stray from the hd Vblue ray debate but.....

wheres the best place to sell an older xbox to..... i really want a quiter Elite with HDMI. seems like daylight robery to sell to game.... or cex id rather give it away
#14
shinerz
That helps me, I was wondering if titles released on HD-DVD will now be released on blu ray?


well hd-dvd owners wont just stop buying the films -- prices will drop meaning sales will rise -- ican see hd-dvd titles still selling by summer but no more than that
banned#15
@ikduncan
Yeah, impressed at what I've read about the downsizing of the components in the PS3. Never thought Sony would be able to reduce the cost and size so quickly.

Still think ownership of just PS3 would be giving up too many quality games for the time being. Will be interesting to see how things are this time next year though...

Back on topic, am I the only one feeling that upscaled DVDs and 720p movie downloads are more than good enough to justify NOT spending money on a Blu Ray player?
#16
Blu-ray reminds me of Blu-tack... Why can't they call it Blue-ray?
banned#17
Massive Spaniard
sorry to also stray from the hd Vblue ray debate but.....

wheres the best place to sell an older xbox to..... i really want a quiter Elite with HDMI. seems like daylight robery to sell to game.... or cex id rather give it away


I sold through Ebay. As long as you got good rep you'll probably get at least as much as CEX would pay...
banned 1 Like #18
TheDoc
Blu-ray reminds me of Blu-tack... Why can't they call it Blue-ray?


I heard it was something to do with difficulties including colours in patent names but that could be rubbish...
#19
TheDoc
Blu-ray reminds me of Blu-tack... Why can't they call it Blue-ray?


the laser that makes the discs shines blue -- but i think they couldnt spell blue when it came to naming it
#20
pondrew
@ikduncan

Back on topic, am I the only one feeling that upscaled DVDs and 720p movie downloads are more than good enough to justify NOT spending money on a Blu Ray player?


yes it is just you,
banned#21
Lol. Ok then!

Maybe I'll jump on the Blu-Ray bandwagon but think I'll wait til the price comes down massively AND profile 2 is the norm.
#22
Its good a single format has appeared infront now, because now all new makes/models of Blu-Ray players will now dilute the market and lower the prices dramatically and Blu-Ray discs will hopefully also follow suit.
#23
Paramount and Universal are officially onboard now.
#24
pondrew
Lol. Ok then!

Maybe I'll jump on the Blu-Ray bandwagon but think I'll wait til the price comes down massively AND profile 2 is the norm.




yep, but honestly it depends i guess on your tv and setup/viewing distance and eyes
#25
If Blu-Ray want my money their is one thing they could do. Sell combo disc sets, one disc SD DVD and one Blu Ray in the same box. That way I can start buying HD discs now while I'm saving for an HD setup but i'm still able to watch the normal DVD in the meantime. I did that with an HD-DVD 300 flip disc so even though they are a dying format I still have a DVD.
#26
Ungreat
If Blu-Ray want my money their is one thing they could do. Sell combo disc sets, one disc SD DVD and one Blu Ray in the same box. That way I can start buying HD discs now while I'm saving for an HD setup but i'm still able to watch the normal DVD in the meantime. I did that with an HD-DVD 300 flip disc so even though they are a dying format I still have a DVD.


Problem with that is that just like what happened with hd-dvd people complained about the extra $5-$10 per disk they even started rereleasing disks in non combo foramt after the outcries
#27
ikduncan
Problem with that is that just like what happened with hd-dvd people complained about the extra $5-$10 per disk they even started rereleasing disks in non combo foramt after the outcries


Maybe, but they release single disc and double disc versions of films now so it doesn't seem that big a stretch to do a version with both an HD and SD version of a film. I'd rather spend £22 on a combo disc set than £18 on a BR-DVD and £10 on an DVD (not all my players will be HD). I would hope that as it costs pennies to produce these discs they wouldn't charge such high prices though.

It's the one main thing that stops me going out and getting an HD setup now as most of my other stuff is set up for DVD's.
#28
Ungreat
Maybe, but they release single disc and double disc versions of films now so it doesn't seem that big a stretch to do a version with both an HD and SD version of a film. I'd rather spend £22 on a combo disc set than £18 on a BR-DVD and £10 on an DVD (not all my players will be HD). I would hope that as it costs pennies to produce these discs they wouldn't charge such high prices though.

It's the one main thing that stops me going out and getting an HD setup now as most of my other stuff is set up for DVD's.


personally i was all for it, and liekd the idea (as my father etc liek to borrow films, and has no hd player)

however they were pretty much universally hated/derided on the net.

and when has the manufacturing cost of a few pennies ever stopped someone adding £5-£10 at retail just cos they can.

Also id never pay £18-£22 for a film, thats why i have a US standalone machine for 99%, and a uk PS3 for any random region b only title.
#29
ikduncan
personally i was all for it, and liekd the idea (as my father etc liek to borrow films, and has no hd player)

however they were pretty much universally hated/derided on the net.

and when has the manufacturing cost of a few pennies ever stopped someone adding £5-£10 at retail just cos they can.

Also id never pay £18-£22 for a film, thats why i have a US standalone machine for 99%, and a uk PS3 for any random region b only title.


I think they were disliked more for the fact they were flip discs than anything else. DVD one side HD-DVD the other is like a magnet to scratches and fingerprints. They also look cheap as they don't have a disc label (both sides have data).

Basically some offer where you get a discount on the DVD if you buy the Blu-Ray version so you can have both is what i'd like.
#30
Ungreat
I think they were disliked more for the fact they were flip discs than anything else. DVD one side HD-DVD the other is like a magnet to scratches and fingerprints. They also look cheap as they don't have a disc label (both sides have data).

Basically some offer where you get a discount on the DVD if you buy the Blu-Ray version so you can have both is what i'd like.



yep you rright about the flipper thing but being charged extra for a copy of the film you might not use was stupid also.

Disney/Buena Vista have given $10 rebates back via vouchers in the box on their last few back catalogue titles (The Rock, Con Air, Crimson Tide), hopefully that will expand to more titles and over here to the US
#31
Remind me who it was who was saying things like Transformers would be on Blu-Ray in a matter of days? :whistling:



Studios To Continue Feeding Dead Format
Both Warner Bros. and Universal Home Video said Wednesday that for the immediate future, they will continue to release product in the HD DVD format, despite Toshiba's earlier announcement that it will discontinue manufacturing HD DVD players. Warner reiterated that it will continue to release titles in both Blu-ray and HD DVD formats through the end of May. Universal said that it plans to release Fletch in the HD DVD version on March 11. It has not yet indicated when it will begin releasing new and catalog titles in Blu-ray. Paramount indicated that it will continue to turn out HD DVD titles through March but did not indicate when it will phase in Blu-ray releases. When it reportedly received $150 million from the HD DVD camp last year to adopt that format exclusively, Paramount shelved its remaining Blu-ray stock. It was not immediately clear whether those disks were destroyed or whether they can now be dusted off and distributed.

#32
Statement from Paramount (The Transformers Studio) on Wednesday :
"We are pleased that the industry is moving to a single high-definition format, as we believe it is in the best interest of the consumer," the statement reads. "As we look to (begin) releasing our titles on Blu-ray, we will monitor consumer adoption and determine our release plans accordingly."


Keep living the dream m8 ;)
#33
And funny thing, paramount's 'Shelved' blu-ray stock has just been relisted on amazon.com. They must have kept it handy ! Just do a search on amazon.com for 'paramount blu' and you'll see what i mean :)
#34
I did search - 30 results, and about half of it is only available through Marketplace sellers. And wasn't all the rest of it already released? :? I don't get it.

Anyway, as usual, my original point was ignored. Some people on here were saying that Transformers (and other current HD-DVD exclusives) would be rushed into the shops on Blu-ray faster than you can say 'baseless speculation' - but it hasn't happened. It will over time, obviously, but the immediate ditching of releases on HD-DVD, as predicted by many, simply isn't happening. Obviously they'll stop soon enough, but it's going to be a slower decline than people predicted. That's all I'm saying. :)
#35
BristolDeal
Remind me who it was who was saying things like Transformers would be on Blu-Ray in a matter of days? :whistling:


Michael Bay has previously confirmed that the Blu-Ray master for Transformers was done prior to the paramount defection.

And BTW contains a lossless audio track which couldnt fit on the inferior HD-DVD version.

Would imagine it will be one of their first releases along with Blades of Glory.
#36
BristolDeal
I did search - 30 results, and about half of it is only available through Marketplace sellers. And wasn't all the rest of it already released? :? I don't get it.

Anyway, as usual, my original point was ignored. Some people on here were saying that Transformers (and other current HD-DVD exclusives) would be rushed into the shops on Blu-ray faster than you can say 'baseless speculation' - but it hasn't happened. It will over time, obviously, but the immediate ditching of releases on HD-DVD, as predicted by many, simply isn't happening. Obviously they'll stop soon enough, but it's going to be a slower decline than people predicted. That's all I'm saying. :)


the point is the stuff which amnazon has back in stock, was the discontinued pulled stock!

decline has been very fast m8 up until jan ces it was a level field, so in 6 weeks it gone from level field to down the pan, at this rate there will only be left over films noone wants in stores after march/april.
#37
ikduncan;1618290
Michael Bay has previously confirmed that the Blu-Ray master for Transformers was done prior to the paramount defection.

And BTW contains a lossless audio track which couldnt fit on the inferior HD-DVD version.

Would imagine it will be one of their first releases along with Blades of Glory.


But - again - has it appeared in a matter of days as some people predicted? No, it hasn't. You're skirting around my original point.
#38
that said due to productiontimes etc, even if they decided to launch transformers today, they couldnt have it manufactured until probably May at the earliest. (due to waiting times at blu ray production plants).

Presumably the stock now appearing at amazon is what paramount had left after they pulled the plug, hence the random splatterign of titles (after all if they had any copies of shooter left im sure paramount employees would have ebayed them!)
#39
ikduncan;1618304
the point is the stuff which amnazon has back in stock, was the discontinued pulled stock!

decline has been very fast m8 up until jan ces it was a level field, so in 6 weeks it gone from level field to down the pan, at this rate there will only be left over films noone wants in stores after march/april.


But which titles? That's what I'm asking!

You're just not reading what I'm saying. I KNOW soon enough there won't be anything released on HD! I KNOW it's dead! Jeez! :lol: You're arguing against points I'm not even making. :w00t:
#40
BristolDeal
But - again - has it appeared in a matter of days as some people predicted? No, it hasn't. You're skirting around my original point.


Point being mate the disk is already mastered only need s to be produced, thereby will be sooner rather than later, unlike the universal stuff which will take longer as they have to be remastered/authored. Not to mention trained etc as universal have not used the bluray software etc before.

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