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Should we deduct any unpaid bills from their country's overseas aid budget? It would make good business sense for the NHS. Some of the bills are astronomical. Or another solution, every visitor … Read More
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3m, 3w agoPosted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Should we deduct any unpaid bills from their country's overseas aid budget? It would make good business sense for the NHS.

Some of the bills are astronomical. Or another solution, every visitor should present travel insurance along with their passport. If they don't have it they can be directed to a booth where they can purchase it.
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3m, 3w agoPosted 3 months, 3 weeks ago
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#1
like the idea of the booth to buy it or no entry, don't really want the liberals having another 'cause' marching to say it should be free to everyone regardless.
as another plus point there won't be appeals for money to repatriate someone who didn't have it.
maybe an idea to make sure every British passport holder as it when leaving.
#2
nah.
1 Like #3
Great idea! Sooner the better!
1 Like #4
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...

Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.

Edited By: delusion on Feb 02, 2017 11:46
#5
To get a number for those coming with 'deliberate intent' to receive treatment the researchers calculated the risk of people coming from different countries. This 'abuse rate' is based on how close their country of origin is to the UK and the quality of publicly-funded healthcare there. It guessed an abuse rate of about 1 in 100 visitors from high risk countries being health tourists, and about 1 in 1,000 visitors from medium risk countries.

To work out the cost, the research assumes all health tourists will be receiving more expensive treatment—they're unlikely to travel to the UK for a flu jab—settling on about £7,000 per case using (incomplete) data on previous unpaid bills owed to the NHS.

So combining the abuse rate and the cost data, the report estimates the cost of providing care for this first group of deliberate health tourists could be anywhere between £20 million and £100 million.



https://fullfact.org/health/health-tourists-how-much-do-they-cost-and-who-pays/
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delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
Like most public owned services, complely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.

Are you saying the Daily Mail isn't a reliable source of information? Shocking.
#7
EASY PEASY

tell the country their from they owe us the money if not take it away from any foreign aid we give them. If we don't give them aid stick the cost on a trade bill.
2 Likes #8
mtuk1
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.
I think you're living up to your username if 1) you genuinely think that the costs of her healthcare are made up, 2) Genuinely think this woman wasn't taking the pi$$ at our expense and 3) make excuses for it.

Oh really, funny how you haven't posted anything backing that up isn't it...

My username was chosen on purpose to catch people like you. Anyone who tries to use it rather than actually support their argument clearly lacks the intelligence required for debate.

Thanks for showing your hand early. :)
2 Likes #9
NHS annual budget is about £120 billion

£20-£100 million is pennies.

NHS has enough managers...surely they could've devised some system to prevent any abuse in the first place?
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mtuk1
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.
I think you're living up to your username if 1) you genuinely think that the costs of her healthcare are made up, 2) Genuinely think this woman wasn't taking the pi$$ at our expense and 3) make excuses for it.
Priscilla was flying around the world heavily pregnant with quadruplets? I wonder why? :|
#11
Jumpingphil
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from... Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.
You say they are a lie and then say you don't know where they come from? oO
You can't have it both ways.

I've asked someone to provide some backing up figures to prove that statement wrong. I know for a fact there is evidence of NHS overspending and mismanagement, so will be interesting to see how people justify the bills reported.
#12
What about the people that have never worked or paid any National Insurance?

Or the people who have paid National Insurance but received treatment totalling more than their NI contributions?
1 Like #13
airfix
mtuk1
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.
I think you're living up to your username if 1) you genuinely think that the costs of her healthcare are made up, 2) Genuinely think this woman wasn't taking the pi$$ at our expense and 3) make excuses for it.
Priscilla was flying around the world heavily pregnant with quadruplets? I wonder why? :|

Because the chances are if she gave birth in Nigeria she would have died along with her 4 babies. She wasn't heading to the UK to have her babies though.
#14
According to the bbc news yesterday , we pay approx £650m to EU governments for Brits treatment abroad , but receive approx £50m for treating EU nationals in the UK.
#15
I'm quite fond of reciprocal healthcare agreements. But then again, I'm also one of those that likes to leave this wonderful country once while.
1 Like #16
you will find any more tightening up means costs to adminster the tighter "gates" would rocket the costs of bureaucracy and the people doing these jobs are on minimum wages and boring as hell which English people don't want to do so we have more immigrants to fill the posts and jobs outsourced to foreign owned businesses
#17
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...

Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.


so you think it would be better privatised ?
your right its not the tourists fault, your right no business sense, stop this abuse of the NHS that's business sense.
#18
shadey12
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.
so you think it would be better privatised ?
your right its not the tourists fault, your right no business sense, stop this abuse of the NHS that's business sense.

But it's NHS policy, not individuals that are the problem
2 Likes #19
another case of the government penalising it's own and letting everyone else do what they want
2 Likes #20
jarvist1980
another case of the government penalising it's own and letting everyone else do what they want

Aww poor you living in a country with a low infant mortality rate and a free at the point of need health service.
1 Like #21
CoeK
airfix
mtuk1
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.
I think you're living up to your username if 1) you genuinely think that the costs of her healthcare are made up, 2) Genuinely think this woman wasn't taking the pi$$ at our expense and 3) make excuses for it.
Priscilla was flying around the world heavily pregnant with quadruplets? I wonder why? :|
Because the chances are if she gave birth in Nigeria she would have died along with her 4 babies. She wasn't heading to the UK to have her babies though.

She afforded to pay for IVF and ahve 4 eggs implanted knowing full well she would have to fly abroad to have them, disgusting.
2 Likes #22
jarvist1980
another case of the government penalising it's own and letting everyone else do what they want

Meanwhile, hip replacements are being refused for people who have paid into the system all of their lives.
1 Like #23
CoeK
jarvist1980
another case of the government penalising it's own and letting everyone else do what they want

Aww poor you living in a country with a low infant mortality rate and a free at the point of need health service.


lets lay on free flights and coach trips to any country with a worse healthcare standard than ours, while we do that can we have a word with the countries better than ours and see if we can go there.
#24
It is not just about the money but the principle of why should foreigners be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer.
1 Like #25
airfix
CoeK
airfix
mtuk1
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.
I think you're living up to your username if 1) you genuinely think that the costs of her healthcare are made up, 2) Genuinely think this woman wasn't taking the pi$$ at our expense and 3) make excuses for it.
Priscilla was flying around the world heavily pregnant with quadruplets? I wonder why? :|
Because the chances are if she gave birth in Nigeria she would have died along with her 4 babies. She wasn't heading to the UK to have her babies though.
She afforded to pay for IVF and ahve 4 eggs implanted knowing full well she would have to fly abroad to have them, disgusting.

IVF costing how much?

I assume you have no idea how IVF works if you think she planned to have 4 babies.
#26
donaldduck2
It is not just about the money but the principle of why should foreigners be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer.

Why should non tax payers be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer?
1 Like #27
shadey12
CoeK
jarvist1980
another case of the government penalising it's own and letting everyone else do what they want
Aww poor you living in a country with a low infant mortality rate and a free at the point of need health service.
lets lay on free flights and coach trips to any country with a worse healthcare standard than ours, while we do that can we have a word with the countries better than ours and see if we can go there.
Wasnt long ago Romanian women were registering in uk for a EU health card ( EHIC), then going back to Romania to have children in private clinics , using the uk registered card , and the bill was picked up by the NHS .
No wonder the NHS is skint.
#28
CoeK
donaldduck2
It is not just about the money but the principle of why should foreigners be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer.
Why should non tax payers be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer?
Because the NHS is paid out of Nat Insurance and even on the dole you get that credited for health and pension... In theory .
#29
missleading
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
The cost of a NICU bed is £20,000 per week. 2 babies, 3 months...

So who do NHS pay this to? Are you certain that running costs including maintenance of a NICU bed is going to be 3k a day each?
#30
CoeK
donaldduck2
It is not just about the money but the principle of why should foreigners be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer.
Why should non tax payers be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer?

So you think it's fair that I have to buy a yearly prescription card (£104) yet someone can come from abroad and get medicine for free?
#31
plodging
CoeK
donaldduck2
It is not just about the money but the principle of why should foreigners be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer.
Why should non tax payers be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer?
Because the NHS is paid out of Nat Insurance and even on the dole you get that credited for health and pension... In theory .


Never heard of it, which class of NI do people on the dole pay?
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CoeK
airfix
CoeK
airfix
mtuk1
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.
I think you're living up to your username if 1) you genuinely think that the costs of her healthcare are made up, 2) Genuinely think this woman wasn't taking the pi$$ at our expense and 3) make excuses for it.
Priscilla was flying around the world heavily pregnant with quadruplets? I wonder why? :|
Because the chances are if she gave birth in Nigeria she would have died along with her 4 babies. She wasn't heading to the UK to have her babies though.
She afforded to pay for IVF and ahve 4 eggs implanted knowing full well she would have to fly abroad to have them, disgusting.

IVF costing how much?

I assume you have no idea how IVF works if you think she planned to have 4 babies.


i would definitely say you know you swerved an diverted away from the main point.
#33
CoeK
plodging
CoeK
donaldduck2
It is not just about the money but the principle of why should foreigners be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer.
Why should non tax payers be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer?
Because the NHS is paid out of Nat Insurance and even on the dole you get that credited for health and pension... In theory .
Never heard of it, which class of NI do people on the dole pay?
They don't , same as pension , but are " credited" for periods on non work .. Even you . But the fact is if you are born in the UK you are entitled to health , education etc . But if you go to another country you gotta pay for it . Don't you get health insurance when you go on holiday ?

Edited By: plodging on Feb 02, 2017 12:36
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shadey12
CoeK
airfix
CoeK
airfix
mtuk1
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.
I think you're living up to your username if 1) you genuinely think that the costs of her healthcare are made up, 2) Genuinely think this woman wasn't taking the pi$$ at our expense and 3) make excuses for it.
Priscilla was flying around the world heavily pregnant with quadruplets? I wonder why? :|
Because the chances are if she gave birth in Nigeria she would have died along with her 4 babies. She wasn't heading to the UK to have her babies though.
She afforded to pay for IVF and ahve 4 eggs implanted knowing full well she would have to fly abroad to have them, disgusting.
IVF costing how much?
I assume you have no idea how IVF works if you think she planned to have 4 babies.
i would definitely say you know you swerved an diverted away from the main point.
I think they made a slight typo in their username ;)
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airfix
CoeK
donaldduck2
It is not just about the money but the principle of why should foreigners be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer.
Why should non tax payers be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer?
So you think it's fair that I have to buy a yearly prescription card (£104) yet someone can come from abroad and get medicine for free?

Is the system supposed to be fair? Is it fair that i have never had a stay in hospital yet pay a fortune in tax and NI, no. Is it fair that someone who injures themselves because someone drove recklessly and knocked them down gets the same treatment as someone who got drunk and fell down the stairs? No.

But that doesn't mean we should let people die along with their day old children just because we feel unfairly treated by a government we had a hand in voting for.

I would rather pay for this woman to have medical treatment than the cancer treatment for a smoker or the liver disease treatment for an alcoholic but I would prefer nobody dies if we can help.
#36
shadey12
CoeK
airfix
CoeK
airfix
mtuk1
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.
I think you're living up to your username if 1) you genuinely think that the costs of her healthcare are made up, 2) Genuinely think this woman wasn't taking the pi$$ at our expense and 3) make excuses for it.
Priscilla was flying around the world heavily pregnant with quadruplets? I wonder why? :|
Because the chances are if she gave birth in Nigeria she would have died along with her 4 babies. She wasn't heading to the UK to have her babies though.
She afforded to pay for IVF and ahve 4 eggs implanted knowing full well she would have to fly abroad to have them, disgusting.
IVF costing how much?

I assume you have no idea how IVF works if you think she planned to have 4 babies.

i would definitely say you know you swerved an diverted away from the main point.

I didn't.
1 Like #37
chocci
shadey12
CoeK
airfix
CoeK
airfix
mtuk1
delusion
The costs are a lie. Assuming you are referring to the woman having 4 babies with a bill of 500k, would love to see someone break down where those costs actually come from...
Like most public owned services, completely wasteful plus no business sense equals wasting tax payers money. Not the tourist's fault, or the country they are from.
I think you're living up to your username if 1) you genuinely think that the costs of her healthcare are made up, 2) Genuinely think this woman wasn't taking the pi$$ at our expense and 3) make excuses for it.
Priscilla was flying around the world heavily pregnant with quadruplets? I wonder why? :|
Because the chances are if she gave birth in Nigeria she would have died along with her 4 babies. She wasn't heading to the UK to have her babies though.
She afforded to pay for IVF and ahve 4 eggs implanted knowing full well she would have to fly abroad to have them, disgusting.
IVF costing how much?
I assume you have no idea how IVF works if you think she planned to have 4 babies.
i would definitely say you know you swerved an diverted away from the main point.
I think they made a slight typo in their username ;)

Play the man not the ball.
#38
CoeK
airfix
CoeK
donaldduck2
It is not just about the money but the principle of why should foreigners be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer.
Why should non tax payers be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer?
So you think it's fair that I have to buy a yearly prescription card (£104) yet someone can come from abroad and get medicine for free?
Is the system supposed to be fair? Is it fair that i have never had a stay in hospital yet pay a fortune in tax and NI, no. Is it fair that someone who injures themselves because someone drove recklessly and knocked them down gets the same treatment as someone who got drunk and fell down the stairs? No.
But that doesn't mean we should let people die along with their day old children just because we feel unfairly treated by a government we had a hand in voting for.
I would rather pay for this woman to have medical treatment than the cancer treatment for a smoker or the liver disease treatment for an alcoholic but I would prefer nobody dies if we can help.

Are you for real? I pay car insurance in case of an accident, do you drive and moan about paying insurance too?
#39
missleading
delusion
Are you certain that running costs including maintenance of a NICU bed is going to be 3k a day each?
Yes.

Not quite the detail I hoped for. Someone is getting shafted (tax payer) :p
#40
airfix
CoeK
airfix
CoeK
donaldduck2
It is not just about the money but the principle of why should foreigners be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer.
Why should non tax payers be allowed to abuse our NHS funded by the tax payer?
So you think it's fair that I have to buy a yearly prescription card (£104) yet someone can come from abroad and get medicine for free?
Is the system supposed to be fair? Is it fair that i have never had a stay in hospital yet pay a fortune in tax and NI, no. Is it fair that someone who injures themselves because someone drove recklessly and knocked them down gets the same treatment as someone who got drunk and fell down the stairs? No.
But that doesn't mean we should let people die along with their day old children just because we feel unfairly treated by a government we had a hand in voting for.
I would rather pay for this woman to have medical treatment than the cancer treatment for a smoker or the liver disease treatment for an alcoholic but I would prefer nobody dies if we can help.
Are you for real? I pay car insurance in case of an accident, do you drive and moan about paying insurance too?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

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