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Heart attack didn't kill the G20 man

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I hope they throw the book at the cop that done this. Some of them are worse than the scum rotting in prison as they think they can get away with anything since they have a badge. Read More
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banned8y, 1w agoPosted 8 years, 1 week ago
I hope they throw the book at the cop that done this. Some of them are worse than the scum rotting in prison as they think they can get away with anything since they have a badge.
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banned8y, 1w agoPosted 8 years, 1 week ago
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#2
It was just a push for god's sake!

You should see the police abroad!!
banned 1 Like #3
i understood it fine until i got to 'G20 man'
banned#4
m18gfc
It was just a push for god's sake!

You should see the police abroad!!


If a push/punch/knock leads to a premature death its manslaughter,
#5
Soooo whats the difference, he died from haemorrhage not a Heart attack?? why does this change the same discussion?

HA or HEM makes no difference, its why the Copper pushed him that still remains unclear.
banned#6
m18gfc
It was just a push for god's sake!

You should see the police abroad!!


If I gave someone a smack in the leg with a baton then launched them onto the ground in front of loads of witnesses and it was caught on tape I somehow think 'It was just a push for god's sake! ' wouldn't hold up in court when charged with manslaughter
banned#7
Celticsun
Soooo whats the difference, he died from haemorrhage not a Heart attack?? why does this change the same discussion?

HA or HEM makes no difference, its why the Copper pushed him that still remains unclear.


He apparently pushed him to protect him from the police dogs, but I don't see how a push that hard and a smack in the leg with a baton counts as protecting someone
#8
tinkerbell28

You have to wonder how the original PM missed an abominal heammorhage, hmmmmmmm.


yea, smells well fishy :p
banned#9
Smeagol<3sDeagol
yea, smells well fishy :p


Yes the fella who did the first test is very dodgy indeed

Dr Freddy Patel concluded that Mr Tomlinson died of a heart attack.
But Dr Patel had been reprimanded by the General Medical Council ten years ago for releasing medical details of a man who died in police custody.
He told reporters outside an inquest hearing that the victim, Roger Sylvester, was a user of crack cocaine.

The claim devastated Mr Sylvester's family, who contested that he had used the drug.
#10
I feel sorry for every decent police officer who does a great job every day, tarnished by a small few.
#11
im not condoning the police or anything, but if this guy died from a little push, then you cant really blame the cop for the death.

If it wasnt the pig, it woulda been a train door, or a slip in the shower?
#12
tinkerbell28
Yeah it does, knowing there would probably be an investiagtion, abdominal heammorhage would be a hard thing to miss...........it stinks of a cover up.


yea, i bet he will go unpunished though.
banned#13
bargainMcHunter
im not condoning the police or anything, but if this guy died from a little push, then you cant really blame the cop for the death.

If it wasnt the pig, it woulda been a train door, or a slip in the shower?


Yes thats right a train door has been known to hit someone with a baton before launching them on to the ground from behind :whistling:
#14
ChipSticks
I feel sorry for every decent police officer who does a great job every day, tarnished by a small few.


yea :thumbsup: its like the muslims being labelled terrorists because of a few ***** hiding behind religion.

Theres always a select few ruining it for everyone else, this man has done serious damage to the rep of the police.
banned#15
Smeagol<3sDeagol
yea :thumbsup: its like the muslims being labelled terrorists because of a few ***** hiding behind religion.

Theres always a select few ruining it for everyone else, this man has done serious damage to the rep of the police.


+1
banned#16
whoever repped me for my avi. ta lol
#17
The problem is none of us will ever know the FULL truth ........only what we read in the media.
#18
tinkerbell28
I agree a few bad apples and all that. What is going to cause more damage here though is the blatant attempts to cover it up.


yea, they have just dug themselves deeper with all the lying and cover ups, its hard not to feel anger against them now.

DangerGod
whoever repped me for my avi. ta lol


every male on hukd? lol
#19
ChipSticks
I feel sorry for every decent police officer who does a great job every day, tarnished by a small few.


The question has always been how small that group actually are. There is a body of opinion which thinks that police recruitment strategies have traditionally been pretty lax. A large number of internal racism cases etc has added to this perception recently.

bargainMcHunter
im not condoning the police or anything, but if this guy died from a little push, then you cant really blame the cop for the death.

If it wasnt the pig, it woulda been a train door, or a slip in the shower?


Although this kind of attitude - calling police officer's 'pigs' - isn't very helpful or productive either. Like them or not, we need a police force to protect us. Disrespecting them as a body is senseless and counter-productive.

Smeagol<3sDeagol
yea, i bet he will go unpunished though.


Yes, a good chance he will, or at least get off lightly. But perhaps this is part of the price society pays for having a generally loyal police force..?

I'm waiting to see what dog_cop and the other police officers on here have to say about this. Hopefully they can condemn the officer in question, although I suspect most police would avoid criticising other police officers regardless.

I'd also like to know if anyone can justify the enquiry being internally conducted? Surely a healthy democracy should allow police enquiries of this sort to be conducted by an external body? That would give us all more faith in the police force and ultimately lead to a more respectful attitude on both 'sides'.
#20
tinkerbell28
I agree a few bad apples and all that. What is going to cause more damage here though is the blatant attempts to cover it up.


Smeagol<3sDeagol
yea, they have just dug themselves deeper with all the lying and cover ups, its hard not to feel anger against them now.


That's it exactly, if the officer involved had said from the beginning, I pushed him over, I didn't mean to hurt him, I'm so sorry etc, I would actually have felt some compassion for the guy, i know sh*t happens. But the fact somewhere along the lines they have decided to lie and try to cover it up, that just makes everyone angry.
#21
these people need to be treated this way!!! Too many liberal bleeding hearts thats why this country going to the dogs:p
banned#22
Absolute sicko. That man was trying to get his life back on track and was cruely pushed over by another arrogant police officer!
banned#23
Paddy Charlie;4953317
He apparently pushed him to protect him from the police dogs, but I don't see how a push that hard and a smack in the leg with a baton counts as protecting someone

have you ever ben bitten by a police dog ?
banned#24
dog_cop
have you ever ben bitten by a police dog ?


No and wouldn't fancy it either. But how was hitting him in the leg with a baton protecting him from a police dog?

I'm not trying to paint the whole police force as a whole as a bad lot there are just a few bad apples in there. And police who try to defend his actions are as bad as anyone trying to cover it up in my opinion
#25
dog_cop
have you ever ben bitten by a police dog ?


My sis was on a foot chase yesterday after some scumbags who had nicked a car, dog man arrives, off he goes, screaming in the bushes, scumbag ends up in hospital having 10 stitches in the top of his arm............shame :)
banned#26
Liddle ol' me;4953578
The question has always been how small that group actually are. There is a body of opinion which thinks that police recruitment strategies have traditionally been pretty lax. A large number of internal racism cases etc has added to this perception recently.



Although this kind of attitude - calling police officer's 'pigs' - isn't very helpful or productive either. Like them or not, we need a police force to protect us. Disrespecting them as a body is senseless and counter-productive.



Yes, a good chance he will, or at least get off lightly. But perhaps this is part of the price society pays for having a generally loyal police force..?

I'm waiting to see what dog_cop and the other police officers on here have to say about this. Hopefully they can condemn the officer in question, although I suspect most police would avoid criticising other police officers regardless.

I'd also like to know if anyone can justify the enquiry being internally conducted? Surely a healthy democracy should allow police enquiries of this sort to be conducted by an external body? That would give us all more faith in the police force and ultimately lead to a more respectful attitude on both 'sides'.

Having been on nights and I am off again very shortly, If an officer has broken the law or is crooked or what ever, then I have no sympathy as 99.9% of the officers who I work with are fine upstanding officers, as for what the sun newspapers says , half of the crap it spouts is tomorrows chip papers and I dont believe a word.
As for some on here.. they dont do the job, they dont understand the pressures, and conflict is something they deal with when they are not sure which tv channel to watch.. anyway I leave the mob to rant on for the rest of the night( filth and fury avoided the question of what he/she does for a living last asked by ADZ!! shock :roll:) while I no doubt have to deal with another load of pond life who want to kill each other but ring us to sort their mess out.. oh and then complain about me if they dont get their own way.. I hope you all are safe tonight sitting behind your computer screens :thumbsup:
#27
dog_cop
Having been on nights and I am off again very shortly, If an officer has broken the law or is crooked or what ever, then I have no sympathy as 99.9% of the officers who I work with are fine upstanding officers, as for what the sun newspapers says , half of the crap it spouts is tomorrows chip papers and I dont believe a word.
As for some on here.. they dont do the job, they dont understand the pressures, and conflict is something they deal with when they are not sure which tv channel to watch.. anyway I leave the mob to rant on for the rest of the night( filth and fury avoided the question of what he/she does for a living last asked by ADZ!! shock :roll:) while I not doubt have to deal with another load of pond life who want to kill each other but ring us to sort their mess out.. oh and then complain about me if they dont get their own way.. I hope you all are safe tonight sitting behind your computer screens :thumbsup:


Fair answer. I couldn't do the job you guys do -- not brave enough to climb a high ladder, let alone put myself in harm's way against criminals - so I do respect those who do it for us. :thumbsup:
1 Like #28
dog_cop
Having been on nights and I am off again very shortly, If an officer has broken the law or is crooked or what ever, then I have no sympathy as 99.9% of the officers who I work with are fine upstanding officers, as for what the sun newspapers says , half of the crap it spouts is tomorrows chip papers and I dont believe a word.
As for some on here.. they dont do the job, they dont understand the pressures, and conflict is something they deal with when they are not sure which tv channel to watch.. anyway I leave the mob to rant on for the rest of the night( filth and fury avoided the question of what he/she does for a living last asked by ADZ!! shock :roll:) while I no doubt have to deal with another load of pond life who want to kill each other but ring us to sort their mess out.. oh and then complain about me if they dont get their own way.. I hope you all are safe tonight sitting behind your computer screens :thumbsup:


But come on matey. I absolutely agree there are aspects of your job that put you in danger. You, however opt to do it. You DO have a choice. Cut all the crap about .. they will call us when there is a problem. We do not have a choice in the matter. If we call 999 they give us the police. We pay for public servants - the police in your case - to be there when we call 999. I know there must be so many reasons for the likes of YOU to adopt a them and us mentality but maybe stepping outside of the circle and looking back in might help you to see things clearer. The public want to feel safe but not terrorised.

Another breaking story today
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/16/police-delete-tourist-photos

Whats going on. Stop refering to everyone who is not in a police uniform as a CRIM and you might get a different response.
banned#29
adamsxi
these people need to be treated this way!!! Too many liberal bleeding hearts thats why this country going to the dogs:p


Which liberal policies are you referring to?
#30
smithyp1
The problem is none of us will ever know the FULL truth ........only what we read in the media.


Maybe the officer and his colleagues will tell the truth...
banned#31
WoolyM;4953962
But come on matey. I absolutely agree there are aspects of your job that put you in danger. You, however opt to do it. You DO have a choice. Cut all the crap about .. they will call us when there is a problem. We do not have a choice in the matter. If we call 999 they give us the police. We pay for public servants - the police in your case - to be there when we call 999. I know there must be so many reasons for the likes of YOU to adopt a them and us mentality but maybe stepping outside of the circle and looking back in might help you to see things clearer. The public want to feel safe but not terrorised.

Another breaking story today
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/16/police-delete-tourist-photos

Whats going on. Stop refering to everyone who is not in a police uniform as a CRIM and you might get a different response.


and if half the folk who called 999 actually spoke to each other and didnt use as the ctizen advice bureau then we could get on with the real job of serious crime.. yes I chose to do it and wouldnt change anything but what annoys me is those who pontificate who know nothing apart from what they read via the press or you tube or the like which they take as the truth according to the press :roll: .. still safe behind your computer screen ?
banned#32
dog_cop
Having been on nights and I am off again very shortly, If an officer has broken the law or is crooked or what ever, then I have no sympathy as 99.9% of the officers who I work with are fine upstanding officers, as for what the sun newspapers says , half of the crap it spouts is tomorrows chip papers and I dont believe a word.
As for some on here.. they dont do the job, they dont understand the pressures, and conflict is something they deal with when they are not sure which tv channel to watch.. anyway I leave the mob to rant on for the rest of the night( filth and fury avoided the question of what he/she does for a living last asked by ADZ!! shock :roll:) while I no doubt have to deal with another load of pond life who want to kill each other but ring us to sort their mess out.. oh and then complain about me if they dont get their own way.. I hope you all are safe tonight sitting behind your computer screens :thumbsup:


No accusations of ranting - well done.

No one would say that the police don't have a tough job. Neither would anyone say that all police officers are 'bad apples'. But there is a lot of responsibility that goes with the position of trust society places the police in. They need to be seen to be whiter than white, beyond reproach and they haven't exactly been doing that recently.

So you can make snidey comments about what little responsibility people who aren't police officers have (which I'm sure in a more reasonable mood you'd reject) but it doesn't exactly make anyone look on you or the police force any more favourably.

I'd like to get your opinion on the ban on filming officers if they deem it to be for 'terrorist purposes' though. Maybe such a ban would've prevented all this furore.
banned#33
dog_cop
and if half the folk who called 999 actually spoke to each other and didnt use as the ctizen advice bureau then we could get on with the real job of serious crime.. yes I chose to do it and wouldnt change anything but what annoys me is those who pontificate who know nothing apart from what they read via the press or you tube or the like which they take as the truth according to the press :roll: .. still safe behind your computer screen ?


Sorry, but wasn't it a video handed into the press that has forced the police to actually come clean on this story? Or is the police line still 'man has heart attack whilst brave paramedics fight to save his life under attack from protestors'?
banned#34
FilthAndFurry;4954151
No accusations of ranting - well done.

No one would say that the police don't have a tough job. Neither would anyone say that all police officers are 'bad apples'. But there is a lot of responsibility that goes with the position of trust society places the police in. They need to be seen to be whiter than white, beyond reproach and they haven't exactly been doing that recently.

So you can make snidey comments about what little responsibility people who aren't police officers have (which I'm sure in a more reasonable mood you'd reject) but it doesn't exactly make anyone look on you or the police force any more favourably.

I'd like to get your opinion on the ban on filming officers if they deem it to be for 'terrorist purposes' though. Maybe such a ban would've prevented all this furore.

hurrah .. your back.. so what do you actually do for a living or you still avoiding the question.. ;-)
anyway the tax payers call.:-D. oh thats odd I pay tax`s too ;-)
#35
dog_cop
and if half the folk who called 999 actually spoke to each other and didnt use as the ctizen advice bureau then we could get on with the real job of serious crime.. yes I chose to do it and wouldnt change anything but what annoys me is those who pontificate who know nothing apart from what they read via the press or you tube or the like which they take as the truth according to the press :roll: .. still safe behind your computer screen ?


I'm glad I am nowhere close to your dog or your batton. And I am not addressing that at all police officers either
banned#36
FilthAndFurry;4954164
Sorry, but wasn't it a video handed into the press that has forced the police to actually come clean on this story? Or is the police line still 'man has heart attack whilst brave paramedics fight to save his life under attack from protestors'?

were you there ? yes or no ? :-D
#37
WoolyM
But come on matey. I absolutely agree there are aspects of your job that put you in danger. You, however opt to do it. You DO have a choice. Cut all the crap about .. they will call us when there is a problem. We do not have a choice in the matter. If we call 999 they give us the police. We pay for public servants - the police in your case - to be there when we call 999. I know there must be so many reasons for the likes of YOU to adopt a them and us mentality but maybe stepping outside of the circle and looking back in might help you to see things clearer. The public want to feel safe but not terrorised.

Another breaking story today
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/16/police-delete-tourist-photos

Whats going on. Stop refering to everyone who is not in a police uniform as a CRIM and you might get a different response.


And this was my instinctive response too. But I've seen enough of dog_cop's comments on here to know that he does take a consistent 'them' and 'us' approach to these issues. I was trying the Gandhi / King approach to conflict resolution... :)
banned#38
dog_cop
were you there ? yes or no ? :-D


No I wasn't.
banned#39
FilthAndFurry;4954187
No I wasn't.

when I get back from my 10 hrs i`ll add some more .. so what is it you do for a job again ? :roll:
banned#40
dog_cop
hurrah .. your back.. so what do you actually do for a living or you still avoiding the question.. ;-)
anyway the tax payers call.:-D. oh thats odd I pay tax`s too ;-)


It's amazing that you can ignore people's comments and come back with more mundane, unimportant questions.

Behind a computer I could pretend to be anything. I like to think that for people's faith in the police force, you do something similar.

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