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Help! 2.0 TDCI 2006 mondeo.... Advice needed!...... UPDATE!!!!!

emmaelise Avatar
6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
I have a 2.0 diesel Mondeo with a over 100,000 miles on the clock. It is making the most disgusting noises and I am struggling to get it in gear. I have had someone look at it and they have said that the "Duel Mass flywheel" needs changing and as he will have to do that he should change the clutch also.
I have no idea what i am talking about and wanted to know if I am getting stitched up here??? He reckons the bill could be about £1000. ( which I haven't got!)
Are there any mechanics out there that could give me some advice???
I really cannot afford this and wondered if there is a cheaper option??HELP! Please!
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6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
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1 Like #1
sounds like they could be on the right track , i have just fit a similar setup to a mgzt rover and it was just short of £1000 , other option could be the gearbox either way a lot of money! the joys of buying high mileage cars i'm affraid ;-)
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Thankyou . I will have a look. Am dreading this.......
#3
juninho7
sounds like they could be on the right track , i have just fit a similar setup to a mgzt rover and it was just short of £1000 , other option could be the gearbox either way a lot of money! the joys of buying high mileage cars i'm affraid ;-)


Ouch! Trouble is I am never quite sure that what these people say is the truth, I have been stung before. I dont really know anyone that has any knowledge in this dept! Looks like I have got a hefty bill ahead of me.... Rep added. Many thanks
1 Like #4
Buy a new car?
#5
ei8hty5ive
Buy a new car?


Thanks for that! Not an option at the moment, however for £1000, I could get a decent run around!
#6
You could try and source the parts you need (flywheel, clutch) yourself, and get them fitted. £1k seems very high though, I can understand the cost on the MGZT - because it's not as mass produced/popular including parts - also there's the myth that MG parts are drying up, which makes people ramp costs up.

Source the parts yourself, its about 3 hours work, go and grab a haynes manual for £20 do it yourself ha.
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#8
MunkiMadz
You could try and source the parts you need (flywheel, clutch) yourself, and get them fitted. £1k seems very high though, I can understand the cost on the MGZT - because it's not as mass produced/popular including parts - also there's the myth that MG parts are drying up, which makes people ramp costs up.

Source the parts yourself, its about 3 hours work, go and grab a haynes manual for £20 do it yourself ha.


Good idea! In theory, but apparently I have to drop the sub-frame out and that can be a right SOB to get back in properly as it has to be spot on. Also I am told I should replace the slave cylinder at the same time ( something to do with air intake) which can also be a bit of a git to do.
Actually I do quite fancy doing it myself, I think it could be a good project! The cheapest clutch kit I can find is about £250 ! So it must be a massive job even for a garage if they are going to charge £1000 plus!
#9
MunkiMadz


Ohhhhh! Sounds terminal! I am abit scared now. they say on there something about a conversion kit, that changes the flywheel from a duel mass to a solid one. I am going to investigate as the solid as much cheaper. I really dont know if it makes any difference. Something to do with the graphite!!!
#10
dual mass flywheel alone on most cars today are £300 + if you said a clutch is £150 and a concentric slave cylinder £80 ish then you have approx £500 - £600 in bits befor you start. if its very noise you could be almost sure that all inside bell housing is rough and needing replacing , (i'd like to see you do one in 3 hours too in our workshop with all the tools available , nevermind at home in your garage!!!! , pub mechanics always think things are done in a flash!)
ps - rover serviceable items are still very easy to source and are available from all the big part manufactures which have nothing to do with rover not being in exsistance anymore ,
#11
solid flywheel kits are little differance in cost and only benefit is it will last longer than dual mass which is great if you plan on keeping it another 100k + ?
#12
juninho7
dual mass flywheel alone on most cars today are £300 + if you said a clutch is £150 and a concentric slave cylinder £80 ish then you have approx £500 - £600 in bits befor you start. if its very noise you could be almost sure that all inside bell housing is rough and needing replacing , (i'd like to see you do one in 3 hours too in our workshop with all the tools available , nevermind at home in your garage!!!! , pub mechanics always think things are done in a flash!)
ps - rover serviceable items are still very easy to source and are available from all the big part manufactures which have nothing to do with rover not being in exsistance anymore ,


Pub mechanics! LOL! Bell housing??? What is that?? Now it is becoming more expensive by the minute! As I say because the subframe has to come off I am abit loathed to start the job!!!!!!!
1 Like #13
emmaelise;8825458
Pub mechanics! LOL! Bell housing??? What is that?? Now it is becoming more expensive by the minute! As I say because the subframe has to come off I am abit loathed to start the job!!!!!!!

Thing is, it is easy to get emotionally involved. We get to know our car and want it to go on. But sometimes it is necessary to step back and look at it dispasionately. At the end of the day it is a car. We want a car to get us from A to B without hassle. Yours is giving hassle now. If it can be fixed easily and cheaply then it still has worth. If not possibly better to start afresh. Someone with more knowledge of car mechanics may be able to make it good. Although it sounds unfair, thats the way it goes. Without knowlege of car mechanics and without knowing a trustworthy mechanic you are a potential money pot to be milked.
#14
MunkiMadz
You could try and source the parts you need (flywheel, clutch) yourself, and get them fitted. £1k seems very high though, I can understand the cost on the MGZT - because it's not as mass produced/popular including parts - also there's the myth that MG parts are drying up, which makes people ramp costs up.

Source the parts yourself, its about 3 hours work, go and grab a haynes manual for £20 do it yourself ha.


No chance. Its a big job to do it, gearbox out jobbie, only recommended for good mechanics or people who know what they are doing.

Sounds like Dual Mass Flywheel, a common fault on mondeos (along with the injector issues). It is recommended to have starter motor changed if its on its way out, ask them to check the condition of it. The DMF can clog the starter motor which will stop it working.

Looking between £650-£800 to have it all done. 1k seems a bit high unless your living in london. Keep an eye out for injector issues as well. You could get a solid flywheel but I think they cost a bit more. Plus even if you have another DMF it will last another 100k.

I would get it repaired. if you sold your mondeo you wouldnt get much if it needs to have DMF changed. Plus no one would be able to drive it away, after that you would buy another car and could have problems with new one
#15
WoolyM
Thing is, it is easy to get emotionally involved. We get to know our car and want it to go on. But sometimes it is necessary to step back and look at it dispasionately. At the end of the day it is a car. We want a car to get us from A to B without hassle. Yours is giving hassle now. If it can be fixed easily and cheaply then it still has worth. If not possibly better to start afresh. Someone with more knowledge of car mechanics may be able to make it good. Although it sounds unfair, thats the way it goes. Without knowlege of car mechanics and without knowing a trustworthy mechanic you are a potential money pot to be milked.

this is true but the car has a value , and without the repair done this value is a lot less because the cost to fix is unknown till repaired! so it is sometimes better off fixing to get more money in sale.but the final decision will be by you.
#16
starters get dual mass filings in them and can stop working , but a decent garage would remove this and blow it out to prolong its life, not just replace . also wtf ? noise from the starter is the cause lmao , the starter only does a job to get it going then is obsolete until needed to start again so how could this be the cause of the noise , more like the flywheel damages the starter in some cases! but gearbox / clutch will be the fault !
#17
juninho7
starters get dual mass filings in them and can stop working , but a decent garage would remove this and blow it out to prolong its life, not just replace . also wtf ? noise from the starter is the cause lmao , the starter only does a job to get it going then is obsolete until needed to start again so how could this be the cause of the noise , more like the flywheel damages the starter in some cases! but gearbox / clutch will be the fault !


I said to get garage to check the condition of it as it might need replacing, no one else had mentioned it before. You dont wana pay all that money then have the starter motor fail. It will make a noise when starting the car, then the noise will come from the flywheel grinding. Also try quoting :)
#18
its like saying you dont wana change the clutch without doing the rear wheel bearing too , lol , the starter can be done in about half a hour at any time afterwards , the guy is tryin to save money not spend more , then you throw the injector issue in too , lets make him feel like the world is on his head now!
#19
juninho7
its like saying you dont wana change the clutch without doing the rear wheel bearing too , lol , the starter can be done in about half a hour at any time afterwards , the guy is tryin to save money not spend more , then you throw the injector issue in too , lets make him feel like the world is on his head now!


Whats wrong with pre-warning someone? I said to get the starter motor checked out. So then say she has the DMF and clutch changed. Then in 100 miles, starter motor goes and its back to the garage, which would cost more than having it all done in one go. I don't see your problem here, just seem to be on a personal attack.

I said to keep an eye out for injector issues as well, these can be reprogrammed but it is a common fault and will need changing if they are knackered. Being naive with cars will not help and is a good way of getting shafted by garages.
#20
but that is what i have just said ! it won't cost anymore or less doing it now or when it is needed! it doesn't make it any quicker job doing the starter when gearbox is out., yes clean it out, the guy has not said it won't start so why replace now , you either don't work in the trade or deff work in a dealership!
and NO its not personal !
the best way to stop being ripped off is not being a car wizz , but finding a garage that you can trust!
ask friends and family who they use is the best place to start.
#21
To be honest I appreciate any advice that is offered at the moment. i just dont want to go to the garage and have all sorts of things chucked at me and them not know what i am talking about. At least if I can pretend that I know what I am chatting about I might scare the garage into telling me as it is!!

I have looked into the solid flywheel issue and it looks as if it is going to be a similar price. Either way I have a cack load of money to spend!

I will be mentioning the starter motor and intend to take it off myself and see if it is full of filings. I gather that if it is then it is probably the DMF!

Can I just take this opportunity to tank all of you for all of the advice, as usual you have been fantastic! I will add rep to all who have advised! Now...... can someone fix it for me??? Lol!!!!
1 Like #22
If you are changing the DMF he's right in saying he probably should change the clutch at the same time.

Good site for parts prices Here.

You can also convert to a solid flywheel which may or may not end up cheaper/more reliable. A Transit conversion will fit the tdci Mondeo iirc.
#23
Probably?? its a must!
1 Like #24
I'm a mechanic & trust me you dont want to do one of these in your drive-way, its bad enough doing one on a two-post ramp with all the right tools, as you know the subframe needs to come out & you also need the tools to re-align the subframe back up again with the chassis otherwise you will have tracking & steering problems. You dont normaly get the concentric slave with the clutch kit thats normaly bought as a seperate item, but its worth replacing at the same time. They do suffer from iron-fillings from the DMF knackering the starter so also worth a squint at or asking the garage to look at it.

I know i've repeated some of the good advice you have already had, but i'm afraid its not going to be a cheap job, it pains me to say this but have you got a Mr Clutch or a centre the just specialises in clutches, you may get a better price.
#25
Just thought I would give those of you that were so good last week an update. I pick my car up later today. The clutch and DMF have been replaced. He had to drop the subframe as it was so tight! I have had the slave cylinder done also. When he looked at it there was still noise from the gearbox, on emptying it there was a very little amount of oil and it was very black. This had been replaced ( the oil) and hopefully it will stop the noise. He has also done a couple of oil seals.
I have had a right result, as the parts cost £545. I find it interesting that when the slave cylinder was ordered it was one price, when they realised it was not in stock and they would have to order it the price went up.
It has taken him most of the week and it has been a pain in the bum having no car, but because he has been doing it in his spare time, I have not had garage fees. So he has charged me £700 for the lot. All in.
Am quite impressed as he has managed to do this without a pit, the only problem he came across was when he realise that he really needed the subframe out and needed specialist tools to do this. Luckily his mate had a set.
I would like to thank those of you that helped with this as without you I would not have looked like I knew what I was talking about. So many thanks guys!

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