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HELP been scammed

jonnygrunter Avatar
1d, 1m agoPosted 1 decade, 1 month ago
i paid £225 for this http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29510

geezemarc paid for the same item.

anyone have any ideas what we can do?

i have opened a dispute with paypal but as this as never happened before i am unsure what to do.

does the admin have an ip address logged?

please help cos im kinda thinking that i will never see that money ever again. :-(
jonnygrunter Avatar
1d, 1m agoPosted 1 decade, 1 month ago
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#1
Esculate the dispute NOW.
How was the Paypal payment made?

I'll be back around 2000hrs if you don't mind waiting or maybe somebody else will be able to help.

It's not lost yet.
#2
what does that mean?
#3
Funding Type:
PayPal Funds and Instant Bank Transfer
1 Like #4
You need to tell paypal whats happened so far, giving them as much detail as possible.
#5
how do i do that?
#6
i have escalated the claim, man i feel so stupid
#7
Have you actually opened a dispute?
If not you need to log into your paypal account - youll be able to see the money you sent on the main page, click details.
Go to the bottom of the payment page it says

"Need help? If you have problems with a transaction or would like assistance settling a dispute with your seller, visit the Resolution Centre. PayPal strongly recommends attempting to resolve this issue directly with the merchant or seller whenever possible. "

When at the resolution centre click "open a dispute"
It will guide you from there on, you need to provide them with as many details as possible, when ive made a claim (only made 1) its only ever been from an ebay purchase.
I suppose you will have to show the links from here etc.
#8
Joshanna
Have you actually opened a dispute?
If not you need to log into your paypal account - youll be able to see the money you sent on the main page, click details.
Go to the bottom of the payment page it says

"Need help? If you have problems with a transaction or would like assistance settling a dispute with your seller, visit the Resolution Centre. PayPal strongly recommends attempting to resolve this issue directly with the merchant or seller whenever possible. "

When at the resolution centre click "open a dispute"
It will guide you from there on, you need to provide them with as many details as possible, when ive made a claim (only made 1) its only ever been from an ebay purchase.
I suppose you will have to show the links from here etc.



yeah done that, included the links from the forum too. my head was in a spin before and i couldnt think straight! :oops:
#9
No sweat, £200 odd quid is alot of money.
Are you sure he doesnt have 2 or something?

I just lost £400 on a car, so believe me i know how it is.... and theres nothing i can do.
(Not through ebay/paypal either LOL)
#10
pretty sure, the other person that got scammed bought a phone too so his is £350.00. not had any correspondance since i bought it.

i had a bad feeling about this!

how did you lose your money?
#11
Bought a car, private sale, took it to a garage absolute bag of crap, i mean big time! they said only had a year left on it, and the engine was crap, never been serviced etc, desperatly needed cam belt change, servicing etc.

I asked how much it would be for the work, genuine garage, said wasnt worth having done and to get rid.
Really nice garage, luckily i didnt sell my old car so ive gone back to it, made me realise how good what i have is, old men have had it before REALLY low mileage for its age, full service history etc.
This car needed to go the garage yesterday, i thought crap, really cant afford a huge bill after the saxo fiasco (hey that rhymes LOL!) they higher'd the car (suspension fluid or somthing) squeking still posistoed, so they clean all the front brakes for nothing as theyd got it wrong in the first place!
Defo going back there!

Paid just over £1,000, sold it for £600 unfortunatly, 1 thing its taught me is to not buy via private sale again.....
#12
If you paid by Paypal you have the guys address and phoen number right? Have you called them? Do they live too far away to visit? If it's their correct address and details (which it should be) then if the Paypal claim comes up empty you can also try small claims court.

Or of course there's their local police. Plenty of options left before giving up.
#13
Artemis
If you paid by Paypal you have the guys address and phoen number right? Have you called them? Do they live too far away to visit? If it's their correct address and details (which it should be) then if the Paypal claim comes up empty you can also try small claims court.

Or of course there's their local police. Plenty of options left before giving up.


i only have his name and email address. where do i find his address and phone number?
2 Likes #14
Don't forget, the person that you paid the money to will be reading this thread.

In the Paypal receipt you will have his name, do you know the area he lives? If so do a 192.com or a BT search for him. If you get no joy then check the Electoral Roll for his area.

BT Search:-
http://www.thephonebook.bt.com/publisha.content/en/find/residential/residential_numbers.publisha?namespace=coexistence

192.com:-
http://www.192.com/

192.com/Electoral Roll:-
http://www.192.com/support/#er

Once you have his address send him a letter by SPECIAL DELIVERY giving him 7 working days to refund you or you will start court proceedings:-
https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/index.jsp

I think it's still £30 for the court papers and you do it online.

The Police will not get involved because it's a civil matter but you could inform them and get it logged and a crime number.
#15
Please, everybody take note, if you are buying something expensive through Paypal the safest way is to fund that payment is with a credit card. Not all credit card providers will chargeback on a Paypal payment but you have some protection.
Do not fund a large transaction with cleared funds or an e-cheque.
#16
im the other foolish one who fell for this to the tune of £350, his email addy is no longer registered with paypal. i have opened a dispute and have just rang paypal to tell them about it, please can anyone who has been conned by him ring them too. in his xbox thread i think he said that collection was possible somewhere in kent ( cant remember where) however he edited the thread, also as he is a scammer i doubt it was his real location. im usually so careful, but this one time i wasnt! i actually feel sick...
#17
geezemarc
im the other foolish one who fell for this to the tune of £350, his email addy is no longer registered with paypal. i have opened a dispute and have just rang paypal to tell them about it, please can anyone who has been conned by him ring them too. in his xbox thread i think he said that collection was possible somewhere in kent ( cant remember where) however he edited the thread, also as he is a scammer i doubt it was his real location. im usually so careful, but this one time i wasnt! i actually feel sick...


Can you send me his email address by pm and I'll send a payment to him.
#18
Sorry to hear about your loss jonnygrunter lets hope you get your money back and geezemarc too.

Maybe now's the time for Admin to put some sort of warning on the for sale forum to alert members about possible scams (I haven't checked and stand corrected if it's there already)..one thing that seems quite evident is to be extremely careful dealing with members who seem to have only joined the site to enable a free sale advert...I recall the Rolex watch farce ..and there have probably been others.

All you can do is follow dino and other members advice...all the best.
#19
We do have warnings in the "for sale" forum [COLOR=blue]guidelines[/COLOR]... but Caveat Emptor is what you have to remember unfortunately. Sorry to hear about this Jonny and Geeze, but I don't think there's anything we can do from here.
#20
I tried to send him 50p:-


Payment Details
https://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gifhttps://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gifhttps://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gifPayment Sent to:https://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif[email protected] Account Status:https://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gifThis recipient is not yet registered. PayPal will send an email to the recipient explaining how to complete your transaction.Type:[IMG]https://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif[/IMG]ServiceAmount:[IMG]https://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif[/IMG]£0.50 GBPTotal Amount:[IMG]https://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif[/IMG]£0.50 GBP (equal to $0.97 USD)Email Subject:[IMG]https://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif[/IMG]scam

Was that the email address you paid? If so, he created that and added it to Paypal just to scam you.
He will have another email address registered with paypal but linked to the same account.
What does the transaction details in your paypal say about this payment?
#21
thanks for the support guys, two of us have rang paypal. in my view we have rang them 3 days after we have been conned so even if he has withdrawn the money it wudnt have hit his bank account yet?? maybe they can reverse/freeze it? if this is the case and paypal still dont do anything about it then its a disgrace, they do seem to be a haven for scammers
#22
yes thats the email, the transaction details dont say much, just his email and name
#23
yeah it was. it says

Original Transaction

Date Type Status Details Amount
16 Oct. 2006 Payment To *********** Completed ... -£225.00 GBP

thanks for all your help people

*** Mod edit - removed name, don't think it's appropriate here***
#24
I feel so sorry for you guys, i just hope it has a happy ending....
#25
Great advice as ever Steve. If I'd been scammed like you Jonny I'd find out where the guy lived from the links above and and pay him a visit with Mr Bat (first name baseball)...

Only joking guys. Crime doesn't pay. I sincerely hope you get this one sorted out. Best of luck.
#26
jonnygrunter
yeah it was. it says

Original Transaction

Date Type Status Details Amount
16 Oct. 2006 Payment To *********** Completed ... -£225.00 GBP

thanks for all your help people

*** Mod edit - removed name, don't think it's appropriate here***


Glad I copied it :thumbsup:

Right, did anybody speak to him on a landline?
We need an area? Somebody must have an idea?

You can pay somebody with a phone number with Paypal.
#27
I did a BT search on the surname in Kent but non came up with the right initial, I need a location. We have 15 to pick from.
#28
Email rec'd, as you said it doesn't tell you a lot.

I did find out that email address IS registered with ebay and he has a 1 feedback but I cannot get access to the name.

Unless anybody has an address/area it's going to be left to paypal and ...............
#29
Shouldn't you guys report it to the police?This is fraud and it's a serious crime!
#30
Go Dino!!! :evil:
#31
Spriggan
Shouldn't you guys report it to the police?This is fraud and it's a serious crime!

I wish it was that simple. This is a Civil matter not a Criminal matter.
#32
poppy10
Go Dino!!! :evil:

Where to? :giggle:

I'm talking to myself now on this thread:-(
#33
Hi Guys,

Sorry to hear you've been scammed. If you know their full name (& it's not too common) you could try to find them on friends reunited. You may get lucky & find out more info.
#34
just thinking aloud but are there any web forums where these scammers are exposed or you can seek help in tracing them???
#35
currychops
just thinking aloud but are there any web forums where these scammers are exposed or you can seek help in tracing them???


I was thinking maybe the admins can check people's ip address, hence trace their location?
#36
Spriggan
I was thinking maybe the admins can check people's ip address, hence trace their location?


I don't think Admin should. IP addresses are confidential and should not be passed out, he would be breaking a 'members' privacy agreement.
#37
But this "member" seems to have joined with the express intention of scamming HUKDers. Surely by committing a crime he forgoes any right to privacy.

This guy deserves to get scammed back - somthing like 419eater.
#38
still reading the thread, im just at a loss what to do.

i have no way of finding out the address of the guy. i asked paypal over the phone but they said that they were not allowed to release details due to the data protection act.

has anyone had this type of trouble before? what is the change of money recovery?
#39
poppy10
But this "member" seems to have joined with the express intention of scamming HUKDers. Surely by committing a crime he forgoes any right to privacy.

This guy deserves to get scammed back - somthing like 419eater.


I agree it was planned and he knew what he was doing from day one but Paul would be going against HUKD's confidence agreement.

If the buyers had just used a bit of savvy this would not have happened.

I have reported loads of potential scams on here, HUKD has less protection then ebay.
#40
jonnygrunter
still reading the thread, im just at a loss what to do.

i have no way of finding out the address of the guy. i asked paypal over the phone but they said that they were not allowed to release details due to the data protection act.

has anyone had this type of trouble before? what is the change of money recovery?


You have very little chance of recovery from Paypal, SORRY.

Taking him to Court is your best option but you NEED his address.

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