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Help needed - Xbox to Xbox Adhoc network connection???

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banned9y, 1w agoPosted 9 years, 1 week ago
Ive searched online for details of how to do this, but everywhere appears now to be for the 360.

Both kids have xbox in their bedrooms. I have laid wall to wall sockets, connected one via a normal RJ45 type B and the other is a type B crossover. I have no way of testing the connection unfortunately - but I am not trying to get on live - just connect 2 xboxes Adhoc.

Once connected, what should happen? Ive looked through the settings and everything looks like its to get on xbox live!

Any tips appreciate. Im sure someone must have done this!!!
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banned9y, 1w agoPosted 9 years, 1 week ago
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banned#2


Thanks for that Brownie, though it hasnt really answered the question! (rep left anyway)

Here goes:

As mentioned, I have joined the rooms via wall sockets, using normal type B connections - the same as you would use for a network port. I have used one normal lead to connect to one xbox, but a crossover to the other. (I am assuming if I used 2 crossovers - it would reverse it and go back to a normal connection?)

Now it did mention in that link, that split screens wont mean they can be made to work adhoc, so that was news, however, it still doesnt explain what you are meant to do once they are connected! Do they just know they are - and that you want to play a 2 system game? I really thought this would be very easy, or at least easy to source those answers.... but its proving not to be at the mo!:oops:
#3
You need to set up a system link game which is normally under the multiplayer options - there is no configuration required, I can't remember how the machines do it but they will automatically find each other. When setting up a system link, one Xbox will be the host where you set up the game and when you're finished it will sit showing 'awaiting other players' - at this point you then fire up the system link option on the other Xbox and search for games, it should find it straight away.

I've run Xboxes in a few different system link configurations and they've always worked fine, either two Xboxes directly linked through a crossover cable, four xboxes hooked through their own switch (no router) and four xboxes plugged into an office network.

John
#4
the main thing you'll need to do is to give them static IPs within the same subnet. this is because it defaults to picking them up automatically but as you're connecting them together there won't be a DHCP server to provide them with IPs, i'd suggest using 192.168.0.11 and 192.168.0.12
if they're modded then you'll be able to test them by starting up XBMC on both macines and they should pickup each other and ask if you want to connect.
banned#5
Johnmcl7
You need to set up a system link game which is normally under the multiplayer options - there is no configuration required, I can't remember how the machines do it but they will automatically find each other. When setting up a system link, one Xbox will be the host where you set up the game and when you're finished it will sit showing 'awaiting other players' - at this point you then fire up the system link option on the other Xbox and search for games, it should find it straight away.

I've run Xboxes in a few different system link configurations and they've always worked fine, either two Xboxes directly linked through a crossover cable, four xboxes hooked through their own switch (no router) and four xboxes plugged into an office network.

John


OK, thanks again John.

So do you need 2 discs? Im assuming you do?

Ive not really tried to do anything with it yet..... I just thought I could get them to shake hands, but nothing at all. Just tried one game so far (Crash bandicoot tag team racing), which I expect is a split screen game since I didnt see any "multiplayer" options come up!

Dont suppose there is a definitive list of "link" games? Many of my games "shipped" without the instructions!!!
banned#6
wolf359
the main thing you'll need to do is to give them static IPs within the same subnet. this is because it defaults to picking them up automatically but as you're connecting them together there won't be a DHCP server to provide them with IPs, i'd suggest using 192.168.0.11 and 192.168.0.12
if they're modded then you'll be able to test them by starting up XBMC on both macines and they should pickup each other and ask if you want to connect.


Excellent. I did see the IP options, which I thought may need configuring, but really unsure. You woudl have thought that rather important info would have been in Browni's microsoft link!

I'm give XBMC a whirl and see what happens!

As mentioned, I havent anyway of checking the cables. The wall hubs should be fine and the non crosser, but the one I crossed over was a pain! The cables were in pairs, but the secondary for each pair was just white! Rather difficult to be 100% I didnt lose the correct wire in sequence prior to crimping! (Had to keep cutting and had a bout 4 attempts before I was relatively confident! At least both bedrooms are fully network connected via the other ports installed - one of which used the same "white" twisted pairs! Quite a strange cable! Never come across that before!

EDIT:

OK, I inserted the IP on one machine, but the other, everytime I try to go into Settings > network, it goes back to a different Dash menu or I get a "call service centre" screen. I did put the IP into XBMC - and if that is good enough to see a network, then its either b*ggered or the crossover cable needs changing. Would inserting the IP into XBMC be good enough?
#7
You do need two discs, you don't need to set IP configuration in the dashboard for system link games, ip configuration was only (officially) needed for Xbox Live. I can't remember how the protocol worked but it didn't function as normal network devices as DHCP was not used nor were static IPs needed. This seems somewhat black magic but it worked well, we used to regularly play Halo at work at lunchtime across three different offices and often system link games at game nights. It was quite a sight fitting four complete Xbox systems in a single room....

Here is a list of system link games:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_System_Link_games

There's an Xbox article on system link gaming here:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/expertguide/lanparties.htm

You'll notice there is no mention of network configuration on the Xboxes

John
banned#8
Johnmcl7
You do need two discs, you don't need to set IP configuration in the dashboard for system link games, ip configuration was only (officially) needed for Xbox Live. I can't remember how the protocol worked but it didn't function as normal network devices as DHCP was not used nor were static IPs needed. This seems somewhat black magic but it worked well, we used to regularly play Halo at work at lunchtime across three different offices and often system link games at game nights. It was quite a sight fitting four complete Xbox systems in a single room....

Here is a list of system link games:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_System_Link_games

There's an Xbox article on system link gaming here:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/expertguide/lanparties.htm

You'll notice there is no mention of network configuration on the Xboxes

John


Cheers again John. I did manage to find the wikipedia listing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_System_Link_games - which I popped in to add!

So I guess the cableing looks like it needs looking at!

Think I will wait until I get into work on Monday and get a better colour cable to crimp! I could use this cable all night and not be 100% Ive got the correct sequence. Have you ever seen paired cable that the second wire is white for all 4! (ie no blue/white etc - just white!) Makes life a misery!

Going back to the original setup up though......

The wall sockets are just type b connected. One Xbox is with a type B cable and one xbox has a type B crossover. I'm certain thats how you said it should be. (Yes you did give another option - to crossover just the socket connection - but withotu going into detail - this way suits better - if this is correct!)
#9
I have to admit I rarely touch network cables, there's always ready made ones available so I can't help you there unfortunately. The only time I've used patched connections is when there's been a switch at the other end rather than directly although I have used patching systems to directly link PCs by having one PC connected directly to the patch panel and one connected via a crossover cable which seemed to work.

A possible alternative is to do a straight through patch then put a small switch beside one of the Xboxes.

John
1 Like #10
b&q atm are selling both straight through and patch cables for a quid. as well as the rj45 sockets for the wall connection. the only other thing i can think of is the setup link option. IIRC by default it goes to not setting up a link if connection is not present. as you can't turn on both xboxes at the same time :) change this to setup connection if no link present. this will set it up on both machines.
banned#11
wolf359
b&q atm are selling both straight through and patch cables for a quid. as well as the rj45 sockets for the wall connection. the only other thing i can think of is the setup link option. IIRC by default it goes to not setting up a link if connection is not present. as you can't turn on both xboxes at the same time :) change this to setup connection if no link present. this will set it up on both machines.


If I was certian B&Q had them, I'd nip out to get one - but I would reckon it would be a wasted journey. (Nothing shown online that I can see!)

Not sure where the "setup link" option is?

Ive just tried one game that is shown in the list as "link enabled" - crash bandicoot tag team racing. No options came up - so I assume its one of the following:

A setting needs to be changed on the xbox
The cableing is not working correctly
One of the xbox wont let me get into the "network" settings - so could be knackered.

Thoughts?

I should be able to bring home a testing kit tomorrow to test the cableing (Though not the crossover I guess?)

I would imagine, I would have to remod the xbox thats not playing ball - in case this is the issue. Certainly the other one seems ok. Cant remember what I used on both of them - but they are different in the software used and onscreen displays etc. Even the lights are different on the front when using a test game!

EDIT:

Ive not got it working, but Ive just noticed something. The option to link in this game happens after you load a fresh game and get to chose. My littlun had already used the 5 saves - and it was set to single player in those games - so option wasnt offered.

Still not got it to work though so I guess the cableing is wrong!

I'm assuming this is correct for the type B crossover?

Pin 1 O/W to G/W
Pin 2 O to G
Pin 3 G/W to O/W
Pin 4 Blue to W/Brown
Pin 5 W/Blue to Brown
Pin 6 G to O
Pin 7 W/Brown to Blue
Pin 8 Brown to W/Blue
#12
the cables won't be online. basically they've changed the packaging and are selling off the old stock, loads of bargains to be had, usually in boxes near the electrical aisles .

a patch is basically 586a at one end and 586b at the other (see link below)

http://www.bb-elec.com/images/EthernetRJ45B.gif

the link setting is in the same section of settings as the ip address its near the top IIRC and once you set it to yes it allows you to alter the other settings
banned#13
Thanks for that. I am ringing around local stores ATM. (I noticed they had sky remote extenders as well!) So far no joy!

Changing the subject slightly. The kids have an LCD TV with component inputs. Was going to buy this http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4805 which says its XBox - but then in the blurb, says its for the 360. Are the video connectors the same on both? I guess the Xbox is so "yesterday" no one bothers with it anymore!
banned#14
wolf359
the cables won't be online. basically they've changed the packaging and are selling off the old stock, loads of bargains to be had, usually in boxes near the electrical aisles .


Just got back from my local branch. Dont have anything! Not really worth driving a long distance for one - thoguh would have if the two I phone had the sky remote extender (but didnt!)

a patch is basically 586a at one end and 586b at the other (see link below)

http://www.bb-elec.com/images/EthernetRJ45B.gif


Yup. Thats the way I "think" they are! But as I said, its almost impossible to tell with the cable I used - but I was pretty careful!

the link setting is in the same section of settings as the ip address its near the top IIRC and once you set it to yes it allows you to alter the other settings


Except on one machine it wont allow to get into the IP network settings - though I did get there in the XBMC settings. I possibly need to re-mod it - but rather not in case I brick it!
banned#15
guv
If I was certian B&Q had them, I'd nip out to get one - but I would reckon it would be a wasted journey. (Nothing shown online that I can see!)

Not sure where the "setup link" option is?

Ive just tried one game that is shown in the list as "link enabled" - crash bandicoot tag team racing. No options came up - so I assume its one of the following:

A setting needs to be changed on the xbox
The cableing is not working correctly
One of the xbox wont let me get into the "network" settings - so could be knackered.

Thoughts?

I should be able to bring home a testing kit tomorrow to test the cableing (Though not the crossover I guess?)

I would imagine, I would have to remod the xbox thats not playing ball - in case this is the issue. Certainly the other one seems ok. Cant remember what I used on both of them - but they are different in the software used and onscreen displays etc. Even the lights are different on the front when using a test game!

EDIT:

Ive not got it working, but Ive just noticed something. The option to link in this game happens after you load a fresh game and get to chose. My littlun had already used the 5 saves - and it was set to single player in those games - so option wasnt offered.

Still not got it to work though so I guess the cableing is wrong!

I'm assuming this is correct for the type B crossover?

Pin 1 O/W to G/W
Pin 2 O to G
Pin 3 G/W to O/W
Pin 4 Blue to W/Brown
Pin 5 W/Blue to Brown
Pin 6 G to O
Pin 7 W/Brown to Blue
Pin 8 Brown to W/Blue


Try the cable like this:

Connector 1
orange/white
orange
green/white
blue
blue/white
green
brown/white
brown

Connector 2
green/white
green
orange/white
blue
blue/white
orange
brown/white
brown

Hope it helps ya :):thumbsup:
banned#16
soupy
Try the cable like this:

Connector 1
orange/white
orange
green/white
blue
blue/white
green
brown/white
brown

Connector 2
green/white
green
orange/white
blue
blue/white
orange
brown/white
brown

Hope it helps ya :):thumbsup:


Where does this come from Soupy? I thought it was the same configuration at first!
banned 1 Like #17
Comes from one of my patch cables that I bought a long time ago.

Cable info:
Quabbin Dataman Enhanced patch cord p/n 5407 (ul) type CM 24 AWG 75c CSA LL51726 PCC FT4 -

ETL ETL verif. TIA/E1A 568A Cat 5

http://www.quabbin.com/finder/index.html (enter the p/n for cable info)

Came across this too:
http://www.chefelf.com/xbox/networking.php

Hope it helps
banned 1 Like #18
soupy


Came across this too:
http://www.chefelf.com/xbox/networking.php

Hope it helps


Thanks - though didn't need to look in the end. Got a cable from work that I remade. Easy to do when you dont have 4 all white cables!

Cheers for everyones help. Kids are happily link playing crash bandicoot tag team racing - though the noise levels seem higher than when they are playing split screen in the same room! I guess they cant just talk now - and shouting seems easier!

Once the correct crossover cable was in, it was detected by the game and ready to host. No configuration was needed as John suggested.

Happy days (for the kids anyway!)

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