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9y, 7m agoPosted 9 years, 7 months ago
Hi, I need some help please-where do i post to ask for it ?:?
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banned#1
its sunday I have my helpfull head on ...:thinking:
#2
In the misc forum... where I'll move this thread to...
#3
Hi,
I have just bought a Dell Laptop(9400) .
I have Tiscali broadband on my desktop -but would also like to use my laptop to go online from downstairs or anywhere else come to that:)
I presume i need a wireless router to do this- but i have absolutely very basic computer knowledge and have no idea how to do this o what to buy ?
Can anyone help please?
Thanks
#4
thanks
#5
u need a ADSL router once u have one its very easy to set up a connection

VERY EASY
#6
I posted this in another thread the other day but it applies to you too...

Now, here comes the personal stuff. I SWEAR by Belkin equipment. I know many do not, however in my 10 or so years as a computer engineer, running my own company for 3 years and having to deal with people who have little or no knowledge of computers (as 99% of the computer owning public seem to be!) for me Belkin not only have the most user friendly equipment, but their phone support is good and their equipment are extremely affordable. You have to remember that we are talking about sending information wirelessly, therefore performance and quality is a must in whatever you buy.


You are on ADSL so you will have a modem connected between your phone line and your computer. If you use any of those routers mentioned above you will have to keep yourt modem in tandem with the router. Your setup will look like this...

Phone line ------> Modem ------> Router -------> PC

Personally, I would ditch the modem and go for a router with the modem already built in.

**** Ohhh, look what I have just found ****

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/87512

A Belkin wireless router AND the USB adpator for £45. I bought the same setup just before christmas for a client for the pricely sum of £75.

THIS IS A BARGAIN!!!!

Ok, so if you get this, you will have a setup like this...

Phone line ------> Router -------> PC

The modem is missing from the diagram here, that is because the router has a modem built in

Basically, you plug the router into your phone line and by putting you username and password into the router (as you do when you access the internet on your computer at the moment) you can access the internet. HOWEVER, the router will be connected to the net all the time, so as soon as your computer boots into Windows you will have instant access to the internet as apposed to having to log on with your ISP like you do now.

Phew, hope that makes sense.

At the end of the day £45 for that Belkin kit is a steal and will be miles better in regards to performance and stability than the cheap USB adaptor and seperate router you linked to in your original post.

Again this is all personal preference, but having done this for the past 10 years all told, I like to think I know what I am taking about. Moreover, if I can pass my knowledge and experiences onto others, hopefully they will spend less time with issues and more time enjoying their computers.

Any more questions do ask.
#7
Hi Simon,
Thankyou for all that !
Right - stupid question coming up - so the adsl speedtouch that is wired to the back of my computer and phone line wants to be disconnected.
Then i plug this Belkin that you have recommended in the phone line (what about the filters -does it plug into them or the ordinary phone line -do i still need the splitters?) and into the back of the PC ?
How do i get the Tiscali onto my laptop -just by using the Tiscali set up cd and putting information on it as i did when first joining Tiscali -or will the laptop just pick up the internet connection ???
Sorry to be so thick - but what i know can fit on a postage stamp !!!
I will be on and offline for a while as i am trying to cook a meal too!!1
Thanks
#8
Right - stupid question coming up - so the adsl speedtouch that is wired to the back of my computer and phone line wants to be disconnected.


Yep

Then i plug this Belkin that you have recommended in the phone line (what about the filters -does it plug into them or the ordinary phone line -do i still need the splitters?) and into the back of the PC ?


Just replace the Belkin modem with the Speedtouch you already have. Leave any splitters or filters in the same places where you have them in your current setup.

How do i get the Tiscali onto my laptop -just by using the Tiscali set up cd and putting information on it as i did when first joining Tiscali -or will the laptop just pick up the internet connection ???


Ok, so lets assume that you have replaced the Speedtouch modem with the Belkin one ok? Right, If you follow the Belkin setup instructions you will go to a web page on your computer and you will be asked to put in your Tiscali username and password. This information is stored in the Belkin unit and it will connect to the internet.

So with the internet working on your desktop, you have to set up the wireless part of the Belkin unit. It's a simple case of giving it a name (Like Catwoman for example) and then giving it a security code (so that the neighbours can't use your connection!)

Ok with the USB Adaptor, on your shiny new Dell laptop you take the cd that came with he adaptor and install the software. Plug the USB adaptor in and it will initialise it ready for us (you only need to do this once). Near the bottom of your screen (where the time is) a little blob will rear its head and tell you that a new wireless network has been found. If you click on this blob it will show the wireless networks in range of the USB adaptor. You will see a connection called Catwoman (remember we named it this earlier!) and if you double click on it it will ask for your security code (we did this earlier too).

When you have done this, your laptop will be connected to the internet too :) You only have to set this up once as every time you start your laptop up you will be able to access the internet by double clicking on the Internet Explorer or Firefox icon on your desktop / start menu.

*** YOU DO NOT NEED TO USE THE TISCALI DISC AT ANY POINT IN SETTING UP EITHER THE WIRELESS ROUTER OR THE USB ADAPTOR ***

Just so you are totally clear :)

Basically, the Belkin wireless router will store the details of your Tiscal broadband connection and will be constantly connected to the internet, even if you shut your desktop or laptop down.

As soon as you turn on your desktop or laptop you will be able to instantly access the internet, instead of clicking on the Tiscali log on icon as you probably have to do now.

I have recently created a wireless network for a client who was using a 1MB tiscali connection with the Belkin kit above and had no problems at all.

Hope this helps.
Simon
#9
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57712

take a look at this thread.

Yes install Tiscali on your lappy from the CD.

Yes you disconnect the speedtouch modem...the wieless router will be connected to your lan socket on the PC...better check you have one as some models do not...if you havn't got one then you'll require a PCI LAN card to fit to your motherboard....and yes you still use the filter when connecting the wireless modem/router to the phone socket.

Simon may rave about Belkin but I've had a bad experience with that brand of router that failed after 14 months of use...I may of course have just had a bad un.
#10
you do not require a USB connector for your lappy ..it has a built in wireless card...so just buy a wireless router WITHOUT a USB adaptor
#11
Thanks a lot everyone-if i get any problems when i buy the equipment i will post on here .
I will refer back to this when it arrives-thanks again
#12
#13
Hi,
I forgot to mention -i have XP on my desktop and Windows Vista Home Premium on the laptop .
Will this cause any problems ??
#14
catwoman
Hi,
I forgot to mention -i have XP on my desktop and Windows Vista Home Premium on the laptop .
Will this cause any problems ??


No;-)
#15
Yes you already have a wireless adaptor in your Dell laptop, so you can either connect up your desktop wirelessly or you can sell the adaptor on Ebay for £15 making the wirless ADSL router just £25.

Your call, but just to advise you whichever way you go, you will NOT need to install the Tiscali disc on the laptop, regardless of what Currychops says :) The whole point of the Wireless ADSL router is that it stores your ISP connection details in the unit itself so there is no need for the original modem and therefore no need to install the original CD *sigh*

Simon may rave about Belkin but I've had a bad experience with that brand of router that failed after 14 months of use...I may of course have just had a bad un.


I've been installing them for the best part of 10 years in both wired and wireless format and can assure you that I have seen less than 5 or 6 die in their lifetime. Not to mention the fact that they seem to have better wireless coverage than the likes of Dlink and Netgear, but that is a different subject altogether. Oh and don't start me on Netgear and Dlink packet loss! lol

Of course its your call Catwoman, but I know what I know because I have been unfortunate enough to be in the trade for a while :)

Regards
Simon
#16
TBH I'd go with the Netgear DG834G, but that's my personal opinion, as that's the one I'm using at the momenthttp://www.day.az/forum/style_emoticons/default/thinking.gif
#17
Hi ,
Thankyou very much for all your help and advice.
I will get the belkin one later this week (when i can scrape some more money together - broke again !!!):-(
I will then endevour to connect it up so i can use my laptop downstairs instead of having to come upstairs everytime i want to go online.
I thought i saw the belkin had a lifetime guarantee too !?
I think if i ask a comouter person to do this i would probably have to pay them a decent amount of money for their time and it would be ages before i got sorted out , due to lack of cash at present !!
#18
I was thinking catwoman may use Tiscali for email....I'm really not sure what the Tiscali software supplies so sorry for misleading...I use AOL so of course have it loaded on both PC and lappy...I could of course access my email without the AOL software as no doubt you can do with Tiscali.

I accept wha you say Simon..it's just that Belkin failed me.and a friend of mine had his Belkin fail..so it tends to stick in my mind...we both have replaced them with Netgear routers and we have had no problems whatsoever to date.
#19
catwoman
Hi ,
Thankyou very much for all your help and advice.
I will get the belkin one later this week (when i can scrape some more money together - broke again !!!):-(
I will then endevour to connect it up so i can use my laptop downstairs instead of having to come upstairs everytime i want to go online.
I thought i saw the belkin had a lifetime guarantee too !?
I think if i ask a comouter person to do this i would probably have to pay them a decent amount of money for their time and it would be ages before i got sorted out , due to lack of cash at present !!

catwoman...there is no requirement to pay someone to set up a wireless router...if you have problems just ask for help on here.
#20
Hi ,
I use Outlook express for my email - but the guy who sorted my isp out when i swapped to Tiscali from Orange has set it up a bit weird !!
I didn't want to lose my emails i had from being with Orange and now i have something on called imap tiscali and it seems to take a while to send and recieve my mail . I don't know anyone else who could do any of this for me - only by ringing a computer person and i can't afford to get someone out.
#21
I accept wha you say Simon..it's just that Belkin failed me.and a friend of mine had his Belkin fail..so it tends to stick in my mind...we both have replaced them with Netgear routers and we have had no problems whatsoever to date.


Should have got them swapped over with the lifetime warranty. One of the reasons I prefer the Belkin gear to be honest, but i know what you are saying. When something does we tend to not go back to them.

And yes, as Curry said, if you get any problems you know where to get help.

Oh, and the email is the easy bit :) Get the router set up first and we can sort out the email stuff afterwards.
#22
Hi ,
Thanks currychops - i will .
If some stuff i have on ebay sells which it seems to be doing - i will get a router and then i can talk to you all more :) as i wont have to keep coming upstairs and connecting up to get online.
#23
quote:-It is a great wireless router i had mine for 1 year and then it stopped working. Told belkin and they replaced it straight away. Can't give 5* because of th breakdown.

the above is the only review on ebuyer about the Belkin.
#24
Thanks for all your help Simon too -hope to be getting the router this week .:)
#25
fox2020
TBH I'd go with the Netgear DG834G, but that's my personal opinion, as that's the one I'm using at the momenthttp://www.day.az/forum/style_emoticons/default/thinking.gif


Netgear are brillant for business products but for home the quality suffers.

I know a few I.T techie's who swear by Linksys and Belkin for home products.
#26
quote:-It is a great wireless router i had mine for 1 year and then it stopped working. Told belkin and they replaced it straight away. Can't give 5* because of th breakdown.


try getting Netgear to swap a unit over....nuff said :) LOL

Its horses for courses mate. But better to have a good support system if it does go wrong than none at all eh?

Notice how no-one has mentioned Dlink on this thread...I rest my case :)
#27
As for paying someone to set-up the router it depends, You can't really wreck it anyway, Because you can just reset the router to default if it all goes wrong.

But you really do need to set-up something called WPA encryption, Basically adding a password so it makes it a secure network.

Basically you click on WPA and then input a password, On your wireless laptop, Just scan for a network then input that password on the laptop and you should be connected!

Some routers are easier than others to set-up but most have good instructions.
#28
Simon...I only have a Netgear cos I got it free off AOL after the belkin broke LOL.....your the guy with the experience and if I was Catwoman I'd take your advice.
#29
Well a mates got a Belkin G+ MIMO router and Seems to run a lot quicker!
#30
Simon...I only have a Netgear cos I got it free off AOL after the belkin broke LOL


Well there you go, you are with a 2 bit ISP so I cant blame you for having the Netgear :)

Well a mates got a Belkin G+ MIMO router and Seems to run a lot quicker!


Well it will do, MIMO is some 50% (in real world terms) quicker than 802.11G anyway. Of course it does depend on your situation, interferance, quality of line , packet loss etc.

But you really do need to set-up something called WPA encryption, Basically adding a password so it makes it a secure network.


64bit WEP is fine for home use. I personally feel that WPA is overkill for a personal wireless network setup, and in tests does in fact slow traffic down due to the encryption at both ends.
#31
what does everyone think of buffalo as router makers?
#32
Whats the difference between the Belkin Models -the F5D7632 , the FD7231 and all the others :?
#33
Have to go now - but can someone advice me on this please -also they seem to be a good price on Amazon if someone can spare a few minutes to look and advise me please.
Thanks
#34
[quote=Simon_G]Well there you go, you are with a 2 bit ISP so I cant blame you for having the Netgear :)



Well I can only get 1 meg speed on my phoneline so AOL suits fine as they gave me a £9.99 12 month deal with the free router..if I could get faster speeds I'd no doubt be with another ISP.
#35
catwoman
Have to go now - but can someone advice me on this please -also they seem to be a good price on Amazon if someone can spare a few minutes to look and advise me please.
Thanks


I'll leave Simon to answer your Belkin query...you'd be better off buying from ebuyer as you can get the £10 discount on a £30 purchase using the google payment system..which of course you have to sign up for..details are in the HOT Deals section..this is the sign up link
https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=sierra&continue=https%3A%2F%2Fcheckout.google.com%2F%3Fod%3Dcheckout.google.co.uk%26gsessionid%3D1qQvVAJ7-rI%26upgrade%3Dtrue&hl=en_GB&nui=1<mpl=default
#36
Ive pm'd this to Catwoman but thought that other may be interested in the answer to her question...

catwoman
Hi,
I have to go now before i drop asleep - but i have left a question in the post about different models , which is best to buy , and some on Amazon look good price - the F5D7231 seems a good price -but whats the difference between that and the F5D7632. ?
If its speed , surely it cant be faster than what the isp give you and you pay for - i think i can only get 2.2Mbps in the area i am - out in the sticks !
Thanks and goodnight.


They will both give you a full 2.2MB connection at 100% signal, however the first one (the F5D7231) has a wider range, meaning that it can project the signal further and with a greater strength.

If your laptop is downstairs and your router upstairs for example, the signal has to go between the walls and ceiling, which will degrade the strength of the signal that gets to your laptop. The stonger the signal the more likely that you will be able to get your full 2.2MB from the wireless connection.

My suggestion, if you can afford it is to go for the first one (the G+) as it will give you a better performance over distances and will mean that you should have no problems at all taking the laptop anywhere in the house or garden. Of course the more that is in the way of the signal the lower the strength and the slower your connection to the laptop. At full strength you will get 2.2MB but at 50% strength (going through several walls or some distance away from the wireless router) you will get more like 1MB.

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Simon
#37
Hi.
Anyone know anything about the US Robotics adsl routers ? the 019108A got the best award in laptop magazine- would this be better than the Belkin 7633
Help please -getting confused now !!
#38
Simon_G
64bit WEP is fine for home use. I personally feel that WPA is overkill for a personal wireless network setup, and in tests does in fact slow traffic down due to the encryption at both ends.


I'm quite surprised you've said that actually!

There a loads of sites and reports saying how easy it is with a laptop and the right software (which is all public domain, complete with user guides), How it's possible to crack onto a WEP network within minutes!

Just found this to : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/04/wireless_code_cracking/
#39
There a loads of sites and reports saying how easy it is with a laptop and the right software (which is all public domain, complete with user guides), How it's possible to crack onto a WEP network within minutes!


Oh dont get me wrong, I totally agree that it is simple enough to do (I was in my neighbours connection within 10 mins :)) but the average joe really has no idea how to go about cracking 64bit WEP. And we are talking about a home setup here, not Fort Knox.

I use 64bit WEP at home and at no point has anyone leeched from my signal. Also, in my experience, consoles (Ps3, Xbox 360, Nintendo DS & Wii) prefer 64bit WEP to WPA due to the lesser encryption.
#40
Simon_G
Oh dont get me wrong, I totally agree that it is simple enough to do (I was in my neighbours connection within 10 mins :)) but the average joe really has no idea how to go about cracking 64bit WEP. And we are talking about a home setup here, not Fort Knox.

I use 64bit WEP at home and at no point has anyone leeched from my signal. Also, in my experience, consoles (Ps3, Xbox 360, Nintendo DS & Wii) prefer 64bit WEP to WPA due to the lesser encryption.


I understand what you are saying but equally in the same way you hacked into your neighbours connection, Somebody else could be doing the exact same thing to someone else's neighbour!

Although quite a few unsecured networks are still around, It would be better to have some from of security than none at all!

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