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6y, 4m agoPosted 6 years, 4 months ago
I'm not sure what to expect by doing this but i'm at my wits end.

I put myself through university by buying and selling on a small scale, just enough to pay for rent, food and assorted university bills.
I graduated this year with a 2.2 in Management (Bsc Hons.)

Being the first person in my family to get a degree i was proud of my achievement, but since then i've found that no employers are willing to interview me as they want people with 2.1's or above, i also have no references and little experience (besides volunteering in a charity shop which i believe has now closed down and a brief foray as a shelf stacker at Morrisons) which seems to put me out of the running for most jobs, i was recently turned down by tescos before i even specifed which position i was applying for, whether that's because they don't like employing graduates who are likely to move on or whether i'm underqualified to work a checkout i'm not sure.

I signed on to jobseekers allowance 5 weeks ago which although helping me to stay out of debt has not done anything to help me find a job, since week one i've spent maybe an hour in the waiting room, and about 5 minutes with advisors who's only question so far has been "got a job yet?". I'm going to a meeting with them next week, if they can't do anything to help me find work i'm signing off as it's a waste of taxpayers money and encourages me to stay in this employment limbo.

I'm probably just ranting, but if anyone with more experience has any ideas beyond the obvious on how i can find work, where to go for advice, how to improve my chances (or my references or my CV) i'd really appreciate it. I'm starting to feel lost and i don't want to be wasting my life like this.
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6y, 4m agoPosted 6 years, 4 months ago
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#1
if you sign off the dole and dont work, how are you going to pay your stamp "ni" as this is why you sign on, even if they dont give you any money it covers your ni contributions
#2
Go to a charity and do some work experience in their 'head office'. It will get you good management experience and i'm sure they will be the happiest to help
#3
try contacting careers advice at your university (they'll still help you years after you leave usually), they can usually help you out on where to look for jobs/help with your CV/what can be done to improve your prospects

it's pretty difficult finding a job right now though (i graduated in july with a 2.1 in Law and i'm in a similar situation)
banned#4
to be fair you probably should have worked harder and got a first. or at worst a 2.1

you only have yourself to blame here.
banned 1 Like #5
bykergrove
to be fair you probably should have worked harder and got a first. or at worst a 2.1you only have yourself to blame here.

Give the poor guy a break. He obviously wants to work and can probably do without negative comments.

Good luck and try to stay positive.
[mod][Moderator]#6
you could try volunteering at a local animal shelter or help the aged visiting schemes etc, employers seem to take more notice of a cv if you've done something for your community.
#7
If you have just graduated then I think you ought to be able to use at least one of your uni tutors as a reference, if you ask them. I always use my personal tutor.

Volunteering is definitely a great way to bump up your CV. It teaches you loads of useful transferable skills. There are plenty to choose from and I'm sure they would be keen to have you.

I imagine that you have already signed up to temping agencies, but just in case you haven't, that's a good step as well.

Edited By: studentessa on Aug 04, 2010 14:53: more points
banned#8
lula060606
bykergrove
to be fair you probably should have worked harder and got a first. or at worst a 2.1you only have yourself to blame here.


Give the poor guy a break. He obviously wants to work and can probably do without negative comments.

Good luck and try to stay positive.


ok fine.

OP there are a few things you can do. you can redo your CV, go to the careers service at your uni and book a few sessions with them. ask to see a few of your friends and familiy's CVs and build one that takes the best aspects of each. remember 2 pages long only and i think it's 11pt font but double check that with the careers service.

start looking to see if you can join any grad schemes/internships and start applying to them.

there's a book called "prospects" at your careers service that will specialise in management. that will help you focus your applications.

start practising for interviews and get the right kit. black suit, blue shirt and a non flashy tie. get a briefcase or even just a portfolio from rymans if you don't want to spend much.

don't rely on the job centre to help you find a job all this bit made me laugh:

has not done anything to help me find a job, since week one i've spent maybe an hour in the waiting room, and about 5 minutes with advisors who's only question so far has been "got a job yet?". I'm going to a meeting with them next week


do your own research and apply to places you really want to work at. tescos? WTF IS DIS REAL?

goodluck and keep up the effort. no one is going to find a job for you.
#9
Which uni? If it's a good one it can sometimes compensate for your poor grade.
#10
Just keep applying for graduate schemes. Its not easy finding a job, u just need to keep it up.
#11
Try sigining on with an agency they offer lot more jobs than are advertised, if you're after a job just to tide you over for a bit ie not a post grad job just don't tell them you have a degree my sis did that. Good luck
#12
Best advice is to get any job you are offered at the time being...its much easier to apply for a job while working and you will have a bit of cash to go out and enjoy yourself as well...there is more to life than work remember.

Once you have a bit of work experience under your belt you will be more more attractive to employers,also if you get supermarket or shop work most of the big chains have graduate schemes which you could get into if you like the company...as you are already working for them they know you will be a much better prospect as you know a bit about the business and are not likely to leave straight away as you don't like the job.

Also my mate who is quite highly qualified,but is just looking. For PT unskilled work at the moment has a dumbed down cv which he uses...so he is not seen as over qualified and likely to leave in a week or so.



Edited By: boothy on Aug 04, 2010 15:18: Added. Info
Edited By: boothy on Aug 04, 2010 15:19: Typo
#13
Congratulations on your degree.

You would be foolish to sign off from a benefit you are entitled to.

Citizens Advice Bureau are desperate for volunteers. http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/join-us
#14
Dont list your degree mark, just the fact you have one. Most places don't actually care, in 4 professional jobs I have had, only one even asked & then wanted the proof.

Temp agencies are certainly a great way forward. I work for a large American bank & many now full time staff got in the door temping first.

If you drive, it is pretty easy to get temp jobs delivery driving etc
#15
Thanks for the advice, i'll take all of it on board and work through the suggestions. To start with getting my CV up to scratch.

Bykergrove, i appreciate your input, Tesco wasn't my ideal job, but it was available work and better than being on the dole.
#16
tbh, fact is a 2.2 is the bare minimum amount of work in any degree, so if employers see that, then yes, they will think you will do the bare minimum for them, I know I do when looking at CVs.

Edited By: Alfonse on Aug 04, 2010 17:04: ...
#17
its really tough mate the only way of getting a job is by finding one yourself certainly do not rely on the jobcentre unless you are smacked out your head they will have no time for you

its really about finding the positives - if you have little work experience what about elsewhere have you been a captain led groups etc at uni - you have to sell yourself - even after all that you might not get a job as boothy said just try get yourself any job for the time being to keep money coming in

i've got an undergrad degree and post grad and have struggled to get a career moving here - thousands in the same boat as you - i'm moving abroad in September - but all you can really do is keep applying, try get work experience etc

good luck and keep the chin up
#18
Well done for getting through Uni by yourself. It makes a change to find someone really wanting a job and I really do hoope you have better luck very soon!
Im looking for a PA at home if you are near the Midlands?
#19
Alfonse
tbh, fact is a 2.2 is the bare minimum amount of work in any degree, so if employers see that, then yes, they will think you will do the bare minimum for them, I know I do when looking at CVs.


The bar minimum is a 3, not a 2.2.

To be honest it depends on the type of vocation folk are looking for, as most sensible people see beyond grades, and are more interested in what the individual can offer, The OP just needs to get over what he perceives to be a 'poor degree' which is isn't, he doesn't have to list the grade, and put himself across strongly.
banned#20
congrats on the degree,dont listen to the knockers pal they are just jealous...probably got one standard between the lot of them.
you will get a job you better qualified than most folk out there!
banned#21
wickedteen
if you sign off the dole and dont work, how are you going to pay your stamp "ni" as this is why you sign on, even if they dont give you any money it covers your ni contributions


Agreed.

Ni contributions come in handy for a few year's time if you are out of work again.
#22
No the person above who said it was the bare minimum meant that you'd have to be thick to get anything less/a 2.2 requires no effort at all, just turning up really. You can actually get below a third too, if you get just a pass. To be honest I don't know how anyone can fail to get a 2.1 - I did mine in history (considered a difficult degree) and I did absolutely nothing at uni, just night before essays etc and all nighter revision before exams and I was one mark off a first! Most people want 2.1 or higher these days because so many people have degrees they can afford to be more picky. Like everyone above has said just play down your actual mark (only tell them if they ask you) and try to compensate and appear 'well-rounded' by having a lot of extra-curricular an volunteer stuff on your resume instead.

Edited By: CReilly on Aug 04, 2010 20:50: Formatting (iPhone weirdness)
banned#23
RFC
congrats on the degree,dont listen to the knockers pal they are just jealous...probably got one standard between the lot of them.
you will get a job you better qualified than most folk out there!


lol sorry to burst your bubble but i got a first with honours from one of the best universities in the world.

never mind eh?
[mod][Moderator]#24
Op, I'm sorry that a few people on here are being less than kind about your grade, you should feel proud of yourself for putting yourself through uni and wanting to find a job. I'm sure if you follow some of the more helpful advice in this thread, you will find something soon, wish you every success for the future
banned#25
bykergrove
RFC
congrats on the degree,dont listen to the knockers pal they are just jealous...probably got one standard between the lot of them.you will get a job you better qualified than most folk out there!
lol sorry to burst your bubble but i got a first with honours from one of the best universities in the world.never mind eh?

funnily enough so did i ............believe a stranger on the internet,nah neither do i ,just keep believing!
banned#26
RFC

funnily enough so did i ............believe a stranger on the internet,nah neither do i ,just keep believing!


lol i posted my degree certificate up when misc was a nicer place. you've been here long enough to have had the chance to see it.

lol you may lie even though "it's the internet" but I don't feel the need to make up fake stories about myself. I'm happy with reality thanks.
banned#27
boothy
bykergrove
RFC
congrats on the degree,dont listen to the knockers pal they are just jealous...probably got one standard between the lot of them.
you will get a job you better qualified than most folk out there!


lol sorry to burst your bubble but i got a first with honours from one of the best universities in the world.

never mind eh?




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oh hai troll... i guess things really aren't that bad for the OP at least he has a degree unlike you.

bad times.
#28
Not trying to be a sycofant (spelling?) but i can entirely believe that byker is telling the truth, I was extremely close to getting exactly the same and I probably put in less than 100 hours of work in the three years at uni. I don't think it's being a nasty person to tell the op that most people would consider his degree below average or average at best anyway - it can help him focus on other things to put on his cv as that is what many employers who see a 2:2 grade on a cv will be looking for to compensate.

Hope I'm not offending anyone, it really wasn't my intention!
#29
Laughing at Byker getting a 1st from the best Uni in the world. Guy can barely string a coherent sentence together.

I didn't know Disney had a University. 1st Class Joint Honours in Mickey & Donald was it?X)
banned#30
moob
Laughing at Byker getting a 1st from the best Uni in the world. Guy can barely string a coherent sentence together.

I didn't know Disney had a University. 1st Class Joint Honours in Mickey & Donald was it?X)

Looool what a douche did I say "the best"? Can you even read or do you use some kind of text reader?

My uni is one of the best in the world.

Sorry remind me which university you went to again?
banned#31
wickedteen
if you sign off the dole and dont work, how are you going to pay your stamp "ni" as this is why you sign on, even if they dont give you any money it covers your ni contributions
not really that important unless you are gonna stay unemployed for a long long time.

I think you only need 30 years NI stamps to get full pension entitlement. Considering the OP is only about 22 with a retirement age of about 70, then 23 years contribs is easy.
banned#32
DLM
wickedteen
if you sign off the dole and dont work, how are you going to pay your stamp "ni" as this is why you sign on, even if they dont give you any money it covers your ni contributions


Agreed.

Ni contributions come in handy for a few year's time if you are out of work again.

actually, that makes sense now. Good point!
banned#33
csiman
wickedteen
if you sign off the dole and dont work, how are you going to pay your stamp "ni" as this is why you sign on, even if they dont give you any money it covers your ni contributions

not really that important unless you are gonna stay unemployed for a long long time.

I think you only need 30 years NI stamps to get full pension entitlement. Considering the OP is only about 22 with a retirement age of about 70, then 23 years contribs is easy.


How can anyone predict what will happen to them in a couple of year's time oO
#34
A real mix of advice ^^^, some of it good, but the bottom line is that currently you are far from alone in being an unemployed graduate and you can expect, as you do not have a vocational degree, to have a hard time getting a job. You must surely have done some work experience as part of your Hons course?? What area of management did you hope to be prepared for while you were doing the course? You need to focus on what your strengths are, what job you are actually qualified for and then work on improving those areas so that you make an attractive package for an employer. Yes you have the negative of the 2.2. but if your mark was only just short of the boundary then you can make that palin. Job Centre + is useless - you must find your own job - any job for now. Make it clear that you have no other job options when you apply to e.g. Tesco OR say you want to start on the shop floor for the experience and work your way up. Find examples of prominent business people who have done just that. Don't get disheartened but keep going and if you find the job you want within a year you will be doing better than very many other graduates.

Well done you on being the first in your family to get a degree and on financing yourself.

unrelated and from above, sycophant = servile self-seeker.

Edited By: chesso on Aug 05, 2010 11:17: spotted at least some of the typos
#35
bykergrove
moob
Laughing at Byker getting a 1st from the best Uni in the world. Guy can barely string a coherent sentence together.

I didn't know Disney had a University. 1st Class Joint Honours in Mickey & Donald was it?X)

Looool what a douche did I say "the best"? Can you even read or do you use some kind of text reader?

My uni is one of the best in the world.

Sorry remind me which university you went to again?


So you say - there's no way of verifying your claims. I could say I have a PhD from Harvard, and you can't prove otherwise. It's really easy to make boastful claims on the internet without anything to back it up.

You make me laugh.
#36
hey OP, don't worry about what these guys say. I got a 3rd (I didn't go to classes at all, or do much course work, just turned up to exams and guessed) I didn't put my grade on my CV, and was only ever asked in one interview. The trick is not minding moving to a different part of the country to get a job. I found out there was a shortage of software developers in the north of England (surprised much :p) so moved up here. I found a really good job after just a month of looking :)
banned#37
moob
bykergrove
moob
Laughing at Byker getting a 1st from the best Uni in the world. Guy can barely string a coherent sentence together.I didn't know Disney had a University. 1st Class Joint Honours in Mickey & Donald was it?X)
Looool what a douche did I say "the best"? Can you even read or do you use some kind of text reader?My uni is one of the best in the world.Sorry remind me which university you went to again?
So you say - there's no way of verifying your claims. I could say I have a PhD from Harvard, and you can't prove otherwise. It's really easy to make boastful claims on the internet without anything to back it up.You make me laugh.


you're proving the fact that you can't read. I already said I put a pic of my degree certificate up a while back.

You havent answered the question, what university did you actually go to? Do you even have a degree? What grade did you get (in real life)
#38
moob
Alfonse
tbh, fact is a 2.2 is the bare minimum amount of work in any degree, so if employers see that, then yes, they will think you will do the bare minimum for them, I know I do when looking at CVs.


The bar minimum is a 3, not a 2.2.

To be honest it depends on the type of vocation folk are looking for, as most sensible people see beyond grades, and are more interested in what the individual can offer, The OP just needs to get over what he perceives to be a 'poor degree' which is isn't, he doesn't have to list the grade, and put himself across strongly.


lol, of course thats what happens in real life, people look beyond the CV on applications..........lmao

you have 50 applicants you have to reduce the numbers before even looking at 10/15 for interviews, guess which ones go in the in bin first..........duh, I dunno!
banned#39


Pah that's nothing got 160 per place on the job I've applied for, got through to the stage of 6 per job ...got my fingers crossed.
#40
bykergrove
moob
bykergrove
moob
Laughing at Byker getting a 1st from the best Uni in the world. Guy can barely string a coherent sentence together.I didn't know Disney had a University. 1st Class Joint Honours in Mickey & Donald was it?X)
Looool what a douche did I say "the best"? Can you even read or do you use some kind of text reader?My uni is one of the best in the world.Sorry remind me which university you went to again?
So you say - there's no way of verifying your claims. I could say I have a PhD from Harvard, and you can't prove otherwise. It's really easy to make boastful claims on the internet without anything to back it up.You make me laugh.


you're proving the fact that you can't read. I already said I put a pic of my degree certificate up a while back.

You havent answered the question, what university did you actually go to? Do you even have a degree? What grade did you get (in real life)


That proves nothing as I've already said. You say you posted a degree cert, big deal, who knows it was yours?

The grade achieved in a degree is often dependant on the topic complexity - for instance, my gran (who is dead) could easily get a 1st BA.

To answer your pointless question, yes, I have a degree, but I'm not about to enter into some infantile pissing contest with you over where I was awarded it and to what grade.

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