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Could it be - a sensible response to drug use in this country??? A scheme in which heroin is given to addicts in supervised clinics has led to big reductions in the use of street drugs and crime, t… Read More
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banned7y, 8m agoPosted 7 years, 8 months ago
Could it be - a sensible response to drug use in this country???

A scheme in which heroin is given to addicts in supervised clinics has led to big reductions in the use of street drugs and crime, the BBC has learned.
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banned7y, 8m agoPosted 7 years, 8 months ago
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I agree. Logic = Give them a strong high percentage dose....let them OD on it.....net result = crime reduction due to the criminal being incapacitated.

Reprioritise heroin OD in hospital A&Es to the lowest rank.

:)
banned#3
StevenA2000_uk
I agree. Logic = Give them a strong high percentage dose....let them OD on it.....net result = crime reduction due to the criminal being incapacitated.

Reprioritise heroin OD in hospital A&Es to the lowest rank.

:)


Well that's not exactly neighbourly.
#4
No time for waster's :x
#5
FilthAndFurry
Well that's not exactly neighbourly.


This country has gone to hell......neighbourly is the last thing to be considered. :)
banned#6
StevenA2000_uk
I agree. Logic = Give them a strong high percentage dose....let them OD on it.....net result = crime reduction due to the criminal being incapacitated.

Reprioritise heroin OD in hospital A&Es to the lowest rank.

:)


I like your thinking. :thumbsup:
#7
why not just put benefits up to £5000 a week and then there would be no crime at all :thumbsup:
#8
Just heard this in the car on way to work, bet my self that f&f would have a thread goin by the time i got my coffee , i know sad life i lead eh :-(

plus and minus points all over the place for this tho, could argue either way really
#9
tonyg1962
why not just put benefits up to £5000 a week and then there would be no crime at all :thumbsup:


they are not all collecting benefits ya know. Talk about sterotyping.
some are business men with well paid jobs some are nurses.
banned#10
renown
No time for waster's :x


Not all drug users are 'wasters'. I could list all the famous users of hard drugs but I've just had my keyboard replaced and don't want to place unnecessary wear and tear on it.

I would say if you don't have a music or book shelf to hand, then maybe visit your local HMV/Waterstones for a comprehensive list.
#11
StevenA2000_uk
I agree. Logic = Give them a strong high percentage dose....let them OD on it.....net result = crime reduction due to the criminal being incapacitated.

Reprioritise heroin OD in hospital A&Es to the lowest rank.

:)


agreed,give them as much as they want,most will get jacked out of there eyes and be dead within a couple of days,less drug addicts and lower crime rate,then in a short time these centres will also not be needed as all the druggies will be gone and can be closed saving more tax payers money which can be spent on the police etc:)

good times:)
#12
this isn't medical research under another name, is it................

yeah let them kill themselves, the same as gangs etc, when there's no-one left hoorah.
#13
I really cannot think of a better way to increase heroine use than giving it away for free,
#14
I have been saying this for years, give registered addicts pharma grade heroin, crime rates will plummet, and the addicts can live functioning useful lives.
As the saying goes its not heroin that kills you its the lifestyle.

The 'War on drugs' hasnt worked and never will its time for a radical re-think of policy.
#15
Alfonse
this isn't medical research under another name, is it................

yeah let them kill themselves, the same as gangs etc, when there's no-one left hoorah.


more business for undertakers as well,helping to boost the economy
#16
boothy
more business for undertakers as well,helping to boost the economy


- 6ft

:thumbsup:
#17
DKLS
I have been saying this for years, give registered addicts pharma grade heroin, crime rates will plummet, and the addicts can live functioning useful lives.
As the saying goes its not heroin that kills you its the lifestyle.

The 'War on drugs' hasnt worked and never will its time for a radical re-think of policy.


How do you know the war on drugs hasnt worked,how do you know that if we had been doing it your way we wouldnt now have 50% of the population addicted to heroin ,maybe it was frear of the cancequences that has stopped people in the first place ,Now take away those concequences and what do you get ?.
banned#18
DKLS
I have been saying this for years, give registered addicts pharma grade heroin, crime rates will plummet, and the addicts can live functioning useful lives.
As the saying goes its not heroin that kills you its the lifestyle.

The 'War on drugs' hasnt worked and never will its time for a radical re-think of policy.


Well that's an intelligent response to the subject.

Some people just like to be able to look down on drug users, oblivious to the reality of the situation.

This scheme takes the crime out of it by marginalising the dealers and also stopping users from having to break the law to fund their lifestyle.

Sensible thinking on the issue at last.
#19
tonyg1962
How do you know the war on drugs hasnt worked,how do you know that if we had been doing it your way we wouldnt now have 50% of the population addicted to heroin ,maybe it was frear of the cancequences that has stopped people in the first place ,Now take away those concequences and what do you get ?.


erm crackerquences
banned#20
tonyg1962
How do you know the war on drugs hasnt worked,how do you know that if we had been doing it your way we wouldnt now have 50% of the population addicted to heroin ,maybe it was frear of the cancequences that has stopped people in the first place ,Now take away those concequences and what do you get ?.


Because we have innocent people affected by the drug 'industry' and drugs are easier than ever to come by.

The only people benefitting at the moment are the drug dealers.:?
#21
Alfonse
- 6ft

:thumbsup:


actually this gets better and better,the drug dealers would have no customers so they would become depressed and turn to heroin,end result they would be dead as well......more scum gone



I fully support this scheme:thumbsup:
#22
FilthAndFurry
Well that's an intelligent response to the subject.

Some people just like to be able to look down on drug users, oblivious to the reality of the situation.

This scheme takes the crime out of it by marginalising the dealers and also stopping users from having to break the law to fund their lifestyle.

Sensible thinking on the issue at last.


since when were heroin addicts functioning and useful :roll:
#23
FilthAndFurry
Because we have innocent people affected by the drug 'industry' and drugs are easier than ever to come by.

The only people benefitting at the moment are the drug dealers.:?


Yes but if this led to an explosion in the number of users would that be good for society ?.
#24
Alfonse
since when were heroin addicts functioning and useful :roll:


agreed:thumbsup:


some people:roll:
#25
Whilst fully understanding the many of the views expressed in this thread if a new approach has promising results I think it should be investigated further
Cant say I agree with boothys point about less drug adicts if some die as the suppliers are constantly looking for new 'markets'. Thats why you can read of instances of some drugs being given away free to induce new users.
If this is a potential way to break the cycle it could be a good thing in the long run. Studies in other european countries seem to indicate a level of sucess.
banned#26
tonyg1962
Yes but if this led to an explosion in the number of users would that be good for society ?.


This is about helping the people already on the drugs - the dealers main source of income and the biggest drain on resources in terms of crime.

If anything this will make drugs harder to come by as dealers have less existing customers.

Basic business marketing says it's far more expensive to attract new customers than it is to keep existing ones.
banned#27
Alfonse
since when were heroin addicts functioning and useful :roll:


Since stereotypes stopped dictating reality:?

You give the distinct impression of a person who has never met a heroin user beyond the realms of and Irvine Welsh novel.
banned#28
WoolyM
Whilst fully understanding the many of the views expressed in this thread if a new approach has promising results I think it should be investigated further
Cant say I agree with boothys point about less drug adicts if some die as the suppliers are constantly looking for new 'markets'. Thats why you can read of instances of some drugs being given away free to induce new users.
If this is a potential way to break the cycle it could be a good thing in the long run. Studies in other european countries seem to indicate a level of sucess.


I believe he is doing the 'trolling' he often accuses others of, to be fair. I wouldn't take it seriously.

But you're right about the success of such trials in other countries.
#29
tonyg1962
How do you know the war on drugs hasnt worked,how do you know that if we had been doing it your way we wouldnt now have 50% of the population addicted to heroin ,maybe it was frear of the cancequences that has stopped people in the first place ,Now take away those concequences and what do you get ?.



Clearly it hasnt worked, drugs are freely available anywhere in this country. Prisons have plenty of addicts and dealers in them.

How about this as an example, an addict has a habit of £30 a day, benefits isnt going to cover that, so the addict goes to HMV to knick some DVDs, how many do you have to knick to get £30? lets say on average £50 worth of dvds. So £350 a week or £18200 a year, factor in the costs of additional security staff, police and court time for those court and its a substantial amount of money involved, the addict is unlikely to be able to work, thus being on benefits and the circle continues.

The alternative give the same addict pharma grade H, at a cost of £30 a week, their days arent consumed with either finding drugs or finding the money for drugs and thus can consider doing something useful, whether that is education/rehab/work or voluntary work.

There are a number of functioning drug addicts in society, I know one an emminet professor who is in the top 5 in the world in his field, yet twice a day shoots up, luckily he can afford his habit without resorting to crime.

I just think its about time we revisited this countries drug policy.
#30
FilthAndFurry
Since stereotypes stopped dictating reality:?

You give the distinct impression of a person who has never met a heroin user beyond the realms of and Irvine Welsh novel.


maybe but i have seen dawn of the dead
#31
cherishu2
they are not all collecting benefits ya know. Talk about sterotyping.
some are business men with well paid jobs some are nurses.


not all no, but at least the business men and nurses you mention arent stealing and mugging for their addiction.
#32
DKLS

There are a number of functioning drug addicts in society, I know one an emminet professor who is in the top 5 in the world in his field, yet twice a day shoots up, luckily he can afford his habit without resorting to crime.


agreed the majority of heroin addicts are professors and serve a need for this trial..........
banned#33
Alfonse
agreed the majority of heroin addicts are professors and serve a need for this trial..........


Don't go from one extreme to the other just because someone suggested you were wrong.

Just be a bit adult about it and try and discuss it sensibly.
#34
Alfonse
agreed the majority of heroin addicts are professors and serve a need for this trial..........


Whether you like it or not you have to accept that some people wish to seek altered states of reality though their drug of choice and I include alcohol in that.

Man has done drugs for years, whether it was Vikings taking mushrooms before going into battle to shaman necking peyote cactus to communicate with their spirit guides, or for a bloke on a friday night sinking 12 pints, it will always be a part of the human psyche whwther somone acts on it is another thing.
#35
FilthAndFurry
Don't go from one extreme to the other just because someone suggested you were wrong.

Just be a bit adult about it and try and discuss it sensibly.


lol, wrong about what? I'm talking about the majority of heroin addicts not rare minority special cases in which to prove a point which is an extreme actually.

voted lame
[helper]#36
FilthAndFurry
Well that's an intelligent response to the subject.

Some people just like to be able to look down on drug users, oblivious to the reality of the situation.

This scheme takes the crime out of it by marginalising the dealers and also stopping users from having to break the law to fund their lifestyle.

Sensible thinking on the issue at last.


You really think this is sensible? Why limit pharma heroin to just addicts? I'm sure we could all do with cheering up - end result would be a society similar to Aldus Huxley's Brave New World ........which I'm sure would be the last thing you would want.
#37
DKLS
Whether you like it or not you have to accept that some people wish to seek altered states of reality though their drug of choice and I include alcohol in that.

Man has done drugs for years, whether it was Vikings taking mushrooms before going into battle to shaman necking peyote cactus to communicate with their spirit guides, or for a bloke on a friday night sinking 12 pints, it will always be a part of the human psyche whwther somone acts on it is another thing.


hahahaha

This trial is about those who will resort to crime and are given free heroin because they are not useful members of society. This is not a debate about experiencing spiritual beliefs and watching the grass grow, if the addict has no morals to commit crime then they will have no well founded spiritual values either.
banned#38
gari189
You really think this is sensible? Why limit pharma heroin to just addicts? I'm sure we could all do with cheering up - end result would be a society similar to Aldus Huxley's Brave New World ........which I'm sure would be the last thing you would want.


We have a major alcohol problem in this country - to be honest I actually dislike the drunken fools in city centres at weekends more than I do drug users.

For most people, and this has been proved over centuries, alcohol is enough to 'cheer them up'.
#39
Alfonse
lol, wrong about what? I'm talking about the majority of heroin addicts not rare minority special cases in which to prove a point which is an extreme actually.

voted lame


Will leave this thread now as, Its like debating with a 12yr old with the IQ if a gnat. :roll:
#40
FilthAndFurry
We have a major alcohol problem in this country - to be honest I actually dislike the drunken fools in city centres at weekends more than I do drug users.

For most people, and this has been proved over centuries, alcohol is enough to 'cheer them up'.


stay on topic

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