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How clean would you leave your house/room/flat before moving in these circumstances?

ryouga Avatar
6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
First off have moved everything out already bar my laptop, a old crt monitor, 2 books and 2 picture frames that I forgot to put in van.

When I moved in I was given no inventory to state the condition nor signed anything like that, just a tenancy agreement.

The landlord moaned at me and other housemate a few months ago because the house was in a bad state he claimed and he was giving us 7 days or he was getting professional cleaners in and taking the funds out of our deposit.

Now I am quite OCD at cleaning so at very most my mess is normally a unmade bed or perhaps a dinner plate on table and a bottle of drink on floor so I can lean down and put some in my glass.

So the landlord seems quite OTT with cleaning considering him claiming a tidy house was a mess!

He seems "friendly" though just him nagging over that, and how another tenant had a party one night and neighbours complained and he blamed me saying as I live there even thoug I wasnt at party and couldnt sleep I had to share blame!

Anyway as I say I am a tidy person, I have cleaned up a lot and the house is in far better state than when I moved in, have spent about 4 hours alone cleaning garden of all its fallen leaves, brushing up dirt that blows about, cleaned all the windows, polished every table, wardrobe and sideboard in house, even spent a few hours standing on a chair and cleaning tops of walls.

I dont know if I have done too much already?! the place almost looks "perfect" apart from I have a ball of carrier bags under sink that I havent had chance to take to recycling, and havent polished inside ONE cupboard in the kitchen where the plates are.

Have I done too much bearing in mind I have no inventory?!
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6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
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banned#1
if we say yes, what you gonna do, go and throw dirt at the windows, buy some dust to put back
#2
Yes but i guess better to be safe than sorry if he owes you a deposist, just remember some people can't be pleased ever
#3
sassie
if we say yes, what you gonna do, go and throw dirt at the windows, buy some dust to put back


No I just meant I wouldnt be scrubbing extra or worrying that I had a few plastic bags in a cupboard or making sure I picked up every last piece of rubbish I find i.e I go into a cupboard and find a scrap of paper or find it dusty I will be able to leave it lol
banned#4
ryouga
No I just meant I wouldnt be scrubbing extra or worrying that I had a few plastic bags in a cupboard or making sure I picked up every last piece of rubbish I find i.e I go into a cupboard and find a scrap of paper or find it dusty I will be able to leave it lol


if you have OCD then i doubt it
banned#5
polish inside cupboards!

at most a rough wipe. dont polish anything!, even then i have never seen a clean ex rental anything and told it was 'clean'

just remove all clutter, and job done, wear tear and some dirt is expected and not unreasonable, just fix anything that is broken and could be attributed to you, other wise, dont stress over it

my new build i was told had a 'sparkle clean' only to find brick dust in all cupboards and drawers and the hob looking like it was smeared with grease
#6
Sounds like you've done a good job.

Did you take pictures of the place when you moved in for means of comparison - just in case he tries to claim some deposit back?
#7
jubbyme
polish inside cupboards!

at most a rough wipe. dont polish anything!, even then i have never seen a clean ex rental anything and told it was 'clean'

just remove all clutter, and job done, wear tear and some dirt is expected and not unreasonable, just fix anything that is broken and could be attributed to you, other wise, dont stress over it


Hmm that was why I mentioned it since when the microwave broke that was at least a few years old he claimed it needed to be replaced or he will buy a new one out of our deposit despite me saying it was wear and tear
#8
i done the same when i moved out of my old house. painted walls and had carpets cleaned and cleaned absolutely everything inc radiators :? was shattered when i got to my new house and had to do it all again :roll:
#9
moob
Sounds like you've done a good job.

Did you take pictures of the place when you moved in for means of comparison - just in case he tries to claim some deposit back?


I think I did though I know my memory card for camera broke as it was a fake shortly after I moved in but normally I transfer photos to dvd quite regularly anyway.

In all honesty the only way the LL will moan is if he is a moaner and picks up the slightest fault since the only damage in the house was a broken computer chair that was broken when I moved in, a bit of wood broke off a dining room chair but it just needs some wood glue, and some scratches on the metal fridge from when I scrubbed too hard but its all down to how picky he is.
#10
lfc_engravedonheart
i done the same when i moved out of my old house. painted walls and had carpets cleaned and cleaned absolutely everything inc radiators :? was shattered when i got to my new house and had to do it all again :roll:


Lol I did clean the radiators too, was some dust on them and some spilled old ink or something so scubbed them.

I am a tidy person, people often wind me up and say I have to live in a bit more of a mess since I am a student.
#11
ryouga
Lol I did clean the radiators too, was some dust on them and some spilled old ink or something so scubbed them.

I am a tidy person, people often wind me up and say I have to live in a bit more of a mess since I am a student.


nothing wrong with being tidy :thumbsup:
#12
lfc_engravedonheart
nothing wrong with being tidy :thumbsup:


I know but when I am tidy and get people moaning about the slightest thing it can hurt which is why I am worried about this place, my LL last summer told me my flat was untidy when there was no mess, just I left a single unclean pan in the sink and a newspaper on the side and the floor needed a mop(not that it was manky just needed a mop to shine it up)

I have just come to learn that many landlords are quite naggy over minor things!
#13
Some landlords are just funny swines!

When I moved out of my old property last year it was flawless, even hired a professional carpet cleaner (cost £200). However they pulled me up on a 'smell of cat urine' and they would have to pay for the carpets to be cleaned out of my £495 deposit.

I do not, nor have I ever owned a cat, or even let a cat in to that house. The problem was something to do with the underlay (I had pulled part of it up whilst living there because it stank and the smell went away once it was up).I cleaned it and re laid it before carpet cleaner came, and I think when they were cleaned something happened and the smell came back stronger. I told the letting agents about this and showed them my invoice for cleaner, but also offered to replace the underlay at my cost. I was told they were getting 'specialists' in to 'assess' the situation (whatever!!!)

Anyways after a few days they came back to me saying they would only take £25 to pay for some plug in air fresheners etc. Had I not kept the invoice I think they would have tried to take a lot more. (A friend of mine also used the same letting agents and was stung for £250 to pay for carpet cleaning, she had hired a Rug Doctor so she did not have any comeback unfortunately).

Anyway rambling over!! Ask your landlord for a list of the jobs he wants doing before full deposit repaid, do them and take photos!! A couple more hours cleaning is better than losing a decent chunk of cash IMO!
#14
ryouga
I know but when I am tidy and get people moaning about the slightest thing it can hurt which is why I am worried about this place, my LL last summer told me my flat was untidy when there was no mess, just I left a single unclean pan in the sink and a newspaper on the side and the floor needed a mop(not that it was manky just needed a mop to shine it up)

I have just come to learn that many landlords are quite naggy over minor things!


my last LL was a total nightmare!! i was really worrying when i left that i hadnt done enough but they were totally pleased with how i left it. i'm sure you'll be fine :)
#15
sounds good to me. I'd put bleach in the toilet, plug holes etc, mr muscle the kitchen sink, & bathroom, vaccum all the floors and double check all the cupboards. Spray some furniture polish on the doors or febreze on the curtains, the smell of cleaning always makes people think the place is pristine.
#16
My family are Landlords (and Landlady) - My take on this would be to do as people are saying, normally it's so random because some Landlords are decent people, and some are horrid to their tenants, but it also works vice versa in the same thing, costing both parties more money than was expected.

If you leave the property how you took it, then there shouldn't be any problem, and like you've said, some people do have to take pictures to cover themselves when they leave. Considering he hasn't taken an inventory, I can't say he is that professional by the looks of things, some don't purely on trust, but if he is moaning about the state of the place and it's not a mess, he just seems like someone that possibly is not a trusting person.

Sort the place out to how it was given to you, take pictures, and then see what happens from there, because who knows what he is going to do.

You sound like a perfect tenant, not all leave the property how it was given to them, which is also why a deposit is there (but normally for an Inventory too).
#17
Well been moved out 4 days and didnt hear from LL so emailed and he got back to me claiming he wont release deposit till I provide proof I dont owe any phone, internet, utilities etc bills.

But I think he is just taking the """ since a tenant moved out a month early but paid up till the day the contract ended and he hasnt got deposit back yet either and considering LL never even asked me for contact details or how to pay back deposit I assume he is messing me around.

I will contact the deposit places by email tonight and if I havent heard back from LL this time next week I will take further action.
#18
Whose name are the utility bills in?
#19
thesaint
Whose name are the utility bills in?


Mine, I have paid all them off but O2 and BT are online bills
#20
ryouga
Mine, I have paid all them off but O2 and BT are online bills


Tell him that you have paid them, and you have taken legal advice that he is not responsible even if you haven't paid them, so this is not a valid reason to withold your deposit.

Which of the 3 schemes is your deposit held in, and do you have a certificate?
#21
He just says "deposit protection scheme" and gives no details, he has been dismissive since I moved in and keeps saying he "forgot" to email me the details.

I never chased it much as knew there was potential issues from his reaction to the house before so knew if it was bad I could then bring up the deposit issue as a reason, not that I want 3x deposit just I want my deposit!
#22
you should have signed the deposit protection scheme form when you went into the house. If you didn't then you have no proof you paid the deposit. do you have a receipt for the deposit?
#23
Shellywelly
you should have signed the deposit protection scheme form when you went into the house. If you didn't then you have no proof you paid the deposit. do you have a receipt for the deposit?


Cant remember, I normally ask for receipts however the landlord did a excel file that showed first rent paid and deposit and confirmed in a email I paid it(I keep them all)
#24
Ok well that helps a little. If i was you I would contact him asking for the DPS reference number. He can't with hold the deposit with the DPS they have to investigate it. Say if he doesn't send you the ref by a certain date you will ring the DPS and report him as he has not followed the terms of the DPS service.
#25
ryouga
He just says "deposit protection scheme" and gives no details, he has been dismissive since I moved in and keeps saying he "forgot" to email me the details.

I never chased it much as knew there was potential issues from his reaction to the house before so knew if it was bad I could then bring up the deposit issue as a reason, not that I want 3x deposit just I want my deposit!


Did all the tenants pay the deposit for the property? Do you have a tenancy agreement with just your name on?


Shellywelly
you should have signed the deposit protection scheme form when you went into the house. If you didn't then you have no proof you paid the deposit. do you have a receipt for the deposit?


Incorrect.
#26
If it was me.... I would do the same as the OP, leave it nice as i would expect it to be if I was moving in.

If anything.. its just good manners.

Rick
#27
thesaint
Did all the tenants pay the deposit for the property? Do you have a tenancy agreement with just your name on?


Its seperate tenancy agreements, I moved in 2 months after the other tenants and about a week before a couple in 1 room moved out(as I was getting their big room and was temp in a smaller room)

Deposit was £200 per person,

So from November to May there was 2 tenants, then end of May to June just myself.

I figure the LL just wants to try and keep the cash as he has been a bit untrustworthy since the beginning including changing his mind about letting me move in with deposit and 2 weeks rent in advance and waiting till my loan arrived(which took about 3 weeks) then threatening to (illegally) evict me for non payment of rent and asking that I leave the rent in a envelope in the living room on the table for him to collect which I was unwilling to do as it gave no security or proof he recieved it and he was just like "no one else has a problem"

Plus no locks on the doors but got mixed views on advice about it, wasnt even a lock on bathroom door! Since only 2 tenants he got away with it not being a HMO however it had 4 bedrooms and he was constantly advertisng for new tenants.

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