How did Beijing ever get the Olympics? - HotUKDeals
We use cookie files to improve site functionality and personalisation. By continuing to use HUKD, you accept our cookie and privacy policy.
Get the HUKD app free at Google Play

Search Error

An error occurred when searching, please try again!

Login / Sign UpSubmit

How did Beijing ever get the Olympics?

Scribbles Avatar
8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
Human rights record, non-existant
Air quality, akin to a toxic wasteland
Contribution to halting climate change, negative in the extreme

Hu talks of "ulterior motives"? What was the Olympic committee's motive's for giving Beijing the Olympics, apart from commercial reasons?
Tags:
Scribbles Avatar
8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
Options

All Comments

(15) Jump to unreadPost a comment
Comments/page:
#1
raffle?
#2
2010 winter olympics might be held in Nevada
#3
harvie316
raffle?


:giggle::giggle:
#4
the olympics bids are already decided before the whole 'bid' thing happens, the next lot are already known apparently. Its politics.

Its also why 2012 is destined to fail, Paris were meant to get it, they had already worked out all of the pricing and had even started building stada before the 'winner' had been annouced, its why they looked so suprised when London got it, its why London looked so suprised. im not sure of the reason why London did get it.

So 2012 (or 2014 as the people in charge are calling it) will seem as though they are unprepared, and the costings are all out....its because they are.
#5
Multi-nationals wanted the new markets, so the easiest way for them to get into China and consolidate was through the Olympics.
Ideals? Maybe once but disintegrated into hypocritical dust now. The list of the ways in which China damages its 'own'people, the environment, the countries it has invaded, African countries & UN attempts to bring peace/aid is endless.
banned#6
Along with this question, you could also ask:-

"just why did the US invade Iraq?"

A simple bit of googling reveals all.
banned#7
csiman;1580559
Along with this question, you could also ask:-

"just why did the US invade Iraq?"

A simple bit of googling reveals all.


I would suggest that question would be one that *wouldn't* reveal all!
#8
Politics, money, power would probably cover the main reasons.

To be honest you could probably debate this until the cows came home and still not get the definitive answer but the history of the IOC and choosing venues would give weight to the above. You could also include bribery and corruption if you were being ultra cynical !!

China is one of the world's fastest emerging economies and as such multi national companies are probably falling over themselves to get investment in China and this would be a way in. I'm sure the Chinese powers that be would take full advantage of that.

Money and Power always talk above human rights and I guess the IOC would have argued that taking the Olympics to China would put pressure on the "government" to clean up it's act.
A nonsense argument of course as past events have shown, China takes no notice of world opinion on human rights.

As for the environment, everybody blasts the US and quite right too but China's contribution to polluting the planet now and in the coming years is frightening at the very least.
People have no idea for instance in how much involvement China is having in the economies of many African Nations.

Of course the Chinese would argue that they are only doing now what the British and and other European countries did in the past. Unfortunately the truth !!
#9
csiman
Along with this question, you could also ask:-

"just why did the US invade Iraq?"

A simple bit of googling reveals all.


There is a lot of money to be made from war. Especially when the mark sits on a few billion barrels of oil.
#10
Quote:-

Human rights record, non-existant
Air quality, akin to a toxic wasteland
Contribution to halting climate change, negative in the extreme

Hu talks of "ulterior motives"? What was the Olympic committee's motive's for giving Beijing the Olympics, apart from commercial reasons?

[SIZE="5"][COLOR="Red"]The OP's accursations above are unjustified.[/COLOR] [/SIZE]You will need to understand the global history in at least the last 100 years to make a reasonable accusation. China is undergoing an industrial and modernisation/expansion in a time duration of 30 years. The equivalent industrial revolution and modernisation took other countries more than 100 years to achieve.
On the human record, China is the all comers best top league. Of course it is not 100% but the record now is far superior to what it was for USA and UK and Europe during their industrialisation and imperial expansion across the globe. China, on record it has the best national medical health of all developing countries. China has equality amongst all its ethnic minorities (which is not even yet achieved in most developed countries)[COLOR="Red"] In Australia the Prime Mininster only apologised for the excesses of the Australians against the aborigines this week. [/COLOR] In an equivalent period of development in China now as was then in Europe and America : USA had ethnic cleansing of the red indians (you remember those B&W cowboys and indians films) and you don't have to be a red indian to know the appalling human rights. In UK, just reflect on the appalling human rights during Victorian period..Chales Dickens, exile of people to Australia...etc. At the same time in Europe's industrialisation most countries had colonies all over the world. It is not rocket science to know that how little human rights that these people had. Even the ordinary Tibetans today are happy with the Chinese government which has brought to them equality and plenty of food/clothing/housing. Under the old Tibetan feudal system it was far tougher for the people to live. This old period was not too far from the clergy/land owner mediaeval that existed right across Europe.
As to air quality, this problem is limited to big cities. Again, where I live in London, we did have a local power station not that long ago spewing out CO2 and toxic gases. This is a consequence of development and takes a further phase(s) of transformation to improve the situation. No body is able to get to perfection in one step. All developed countries had to go through a period of bad pollution and China is no different. No country can afford the heavy costs to leap from dirty power generation to clean power in just 20 years. Moreover the anti-pollution laws and congestion charges takes decades to implement gradually (as in developed countries).
[COLOR="Red"]As to contribution to climate change, the amount of CO2 emission per person in China is amongst the lowest in the world. [/COLOR]Most of the new CO2 emission is produced in making the goods consumed by other countries. The carbon footprint need to be adjusted so that the buyer of the product/service picks up the carbon dioxide produced by other countries elsewhere. [COLOR="Red"]I would suggest that OP watch more new media produced by other countries so as to get a balanced view. I would suggest OP to read news sourced from German, French, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Egyptian etc.. in order to get a fair view of the world affairs.[/COLOR]

I am absolutely stunned with the extreme development progress in China, from an agricultural society to man in space in 30 years! There is huge infrastructure built and yet the imperfections are so few relative to similar rapid development in other countries! Most of the negative vibes are mostly propaganda of a negative press. Human rights in China is an artificial political construct used in political discussions and negotiations. No nation on this earth is white than white in human rights.
#11
‘First world’ countries had to develop at the pace of both political and technological development. China could have chosen to learn from others ‘mistakes’ and indeed, had a record of good rural energy production when the first improvements of the peasant society took place. Unfortunately there is little admirable in the decisions being made by China’s political masters at present and the head long industrialisation has had very negative consequences for ordinary citizens. It is no excuse that China is doing 100years of development in 30. There are plenty of alternatives available.
#12
splender
Quote:-

Human rights record, non-existant
Air quality, akin to a toxic wasteland
Contribution to halting climate change, negative in the extreme

Hu talks of "ulterior motives"? What was the Olympic committee's motive's for giving Beijing the Olympics, apart from commercial reasons?

[SIZE="5"][COLOR="Red"]The OP's accursations above are unjustified.[/COLOR] [/SIZE]You will need to understand the global history in at least the last 100 years to make a reasonable accusation. China is undergoing an industrial and modernisation/expansion in a time duration of 30 years. The equivalent industrial revolution and modernisation took other countries more than 100 years to achieve.
On the human record, China is the all comers best top league. Of course it is not 100% but the record now is far superior to what it was for USA and UK and Europe during their industrialisation and imperial expansion across the globe. China, on record it has the best national medical health of all developing countries. China has equality amongst all its ethnic minorities (which is not even yet achieved in most developed countries)[COLOR="Red"] In Australia the Prime Mininster only apologised for the excesses of the Australians against the aborigines this week. [/COLOR] In an equivalent period of development in China now as was then in Europe and America : USA had ethnic cleansing of the red indians (you remember those B&W cowboys and indians films) and you don't have to be a red indian to know the appalling human rights. In UK, just reflect on the appalling human rights during Victorian period..Chales Dickens, exile of people to Australia...etc. At the same time in Europe's industrialisation most countries had colonies all over the world. It is not rocket science to know that how little human rights that these people had. Even the ordinary Tibetans today are happy with the Chinese government which has brought to them equality and plenty of food/clothing/housing. Under the old Tibetan feudal system it was far tougher for the people to live. This old period was not too far from the clergy/land owner mediaeval that existed right across Europe.
As to air quality, this problem is limited to big cities. Again, where I live in London, we did have a local power station not that long ago spewing out CO2 and toxic gases. This is a consequence of development and takes a further phase(s) of transformation to improve the situation. No body is able to get to perfection in one step. All developed countries had to go through a period of bad pollution and China is no different. No country can afford the heavy costs to leap from dirty power generation to clean power in just 20 years. Moreover the anti-pollution laws and congestion charges takes decades to implement gradually (as in developed countries).
[COLOR="Red"]As to contribution to climate change, the amount of CO2 emission per person in China is amongst the lowest in the world. [/COLOR]Most of the new CO2 emission is produced in making the goods consumed by other countries. The carbon footprint need to be adjusted so that the buyer of the product/service picks up the carbon dioxide produced by other countries elsewhere. [COLOR="Red"]I would suggest that OP watch more new media produced by other countries so as to get a balanced view. I would suggest OP to read news sourced from German, French, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Egyptian etc.. in order to get a fair view of the world affairs.[/COLOR]

I am absolutely stunned with the extreme development progress in China, from an agricultural society to man in space in 30 years! There is huge infrastructure built and yet the imperfections are so few relative to similar rapid development in other countries! Most of the negative vibes are mostly propaganda of a negative press. Human rights in China is an artificial political construct used in political discussions and negotiations. No nation on this earth is white than white in human rights.


I quite enjoyed reading this post, but chesso sums it up nicely in that the West was learning during those 100 years of progress. Those lessons learned, China are doing the same thing all over again. To call it ignorance would be a gross understatement.
It's not just China, the same could be said for Dubai too. But at least they try to put an eco-spin on their projects and make them sustainable-ish.
banned#13
splender;1580708
Quote:-

Human rights record, non-existant
Air quality, akin to a toxic wasteland
Contribution to halting climate change, negative in the extreme

Hu talks of "ulterior motives"? What was the Olympic committee's motive's for giving Beijing the Olympics, apart from commercial reasons?

[SIZE=5][COLOR=Red]The OP's accursations above are unjustified.[/COLOR] [/SIZE]You will need to understand the global history in at least the last 100 years to make a reasonable accusation. China is undergoing an industrial and modernisation/expansion in a time duration of 30 years. The equivalent industrial revolution and modernisation took other countries more than 100 years to achieve.
On the human record, China is the all comers best top league. Of course it is not 100% but the record now is far superior to what it was for USA and UK and Europe during their industrialisation and imperial expansion across the globe. China, on record it has the best national medical health of all developing countries. China has equality amongst all its ethnic minorities (which is not even yet achieved in most developed countries)[COLOR=Red] In Australia the Prime Mininster only apologised for the excesses of the Australians against the aborigines this week. [/COLOR] In an equivalent period of development in China now as was then in Europe and America : USA had ethnic cleansing of the red indians (you remember those B&W cowboys and indians films) and you don't have to be a red indian to know the appalling human rights. In UK, just reflect on the appalling human rights during Victorian period..Chales Dickens, exile of people to Australia...etc. At the same time in Europe's industrialisation most countries had colonies all over the world. It is not rocket science to know that how little human rights that these people had. Even the ordinary Tibetans today are happy with the Chinese government which has brought to them equality and plenty of food/clothing/housing. Under the old Tibetan feudal system it was far tougher for the people to live. This old period was not too far from the clergy/land owner mediaeval that existed right across Europe.
As to air quality, this problem is limited to big cities. Again, where I live in London, we did have a local power station not that long ago spewing out CO2 and toxic gases. This is a consequence of development and takes a further phase(s) of transformation to improve the situation. No body is able to get to perfection in one step. All developed countries had to go through a period of bad pollution and China is no different. No country can afford the heavy costs to leap from dirty power generation to clean power in just 20 years. Moreover the anti-pollution laws and congestion charges takes decades to implement gradually (as in developed countries).
[COLOR=Red]As to contribution to climate change, the amount of CO2 emission per person in China is amongst the lowest in the world. [/COLOR]Most of the new CO2 emission is produced in making the goods consumed by other countries. The carbon footprint need to be adjusted so that the buyer of the product/service picks up the carbon dioxide produced by other countries elsewhere. [COLOR=Red]I would suggest that OP watch more new media produced by other countries so as to get a balanced view. I would suggest OP to read news sourced from German, French, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Egyptian etc.. in order to get a fair view of the world affairs.[/COLOR]

I am absolutely stunned with the extreme development progress in China, from an agricultural society to man in space in 30 years! There is huge infrastructure built and yet the imperfections are so few relative to similar rapid development in other countries! Most of the negative vibes are mostly propaganda of a negative press. Human rights in China is an artificial political construct used in political discussions and negotiations. No nation on this earth is white than white in human rights.

Try and justify China's support for the corrupt Sudanese government and also selling them arms which have been responsibe for the genocide in Darfur (200,000 dead and rising)?
#14
csiman
Try and justify China's support for the corrupt Sudanese government and also selling them arms which have been responsibe for the genocide in Darfur (200,000 dead and rising)?


Too true !!
80% of Sudanese oil goes to China. 400,000 barrels a day
China supplies Sudanese Government with arms, an interest free loan for a new Presidential Palace and will build a couple of schools.
China refuses to put pressure on the Sudanese Government to end hostilities.
China vetoes UN sanctions.

It's a nonsense argument to suggest the China could not have learnt from what other countries did to Africa in the past.

It's happening all over again with the rape of African countries assets and for sure
[SIZE="5"]TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT ![/SIZE] :x:x:x


Plenty of sources out there for those that wish to check the above, Here's one to be going on with http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6323017.stm
banned#15
csiman;1583680
Try and justify China's support for the corrupt Sudanese government and also selling them arms which have been responsibe for the genocide in Darfur (200,000 dead and rising)?

Come on then splender - give us another diatribe. You seem to have gone very quiet :roll:

Post a Comment

You don't need an account to leave a comment. Just enter your email address. We'll keep it private.

...OR log in with your social account

...OR comment using your social account

Thanks for your comment! Keep it up!
We just need to have a quick look and it will be live soon.
The community is happy to hear your opinion! Keep contributing!