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How did Individual England players do against USA

thedish Avatar
6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
After winding up a few yesterday a serious chat on how the individual players done yesterday.

I thought Milner, Wright-philips and Lampard were pretty awful.
Rooney wasn't in the game.

Best players on the park were Heskey and Johnson.

Good goal by Gerrard but then drifted out the game.

Lennon had a couple of good runs but then seemed to stop and pass the ball back when he got it.

Terry was okay but not a lot to do.
Green, one mistake which cost the team dear.

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6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
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[mod]#1
Just imagine if Capello was allowed to do his "Capello Index" that he wanted. Wow. That would have ended in tears.
banned#2
Green - unconvincing.

Carragher - pace has gone, lucky to stay on pitch.

SWP - bottle job.

Lennon - Wasted.

Lennon is the only player who I'd bother with for the rest of the tournament. Everyone else still has something to offer.
banned#3
Lennon had a couple of good runs but then seemed to stop and pass the ball back when he got it.


If you watched the game, you would have seen he did that each time he had 2 defenders to beat. Without doubt he was following instructions and those instructions were spot on. Each time he had one player, we went for it and usually get passed. Two players and the ball get checked back. He also put Heskey Clean through (for him to mess up)
[mod]#4
Carragher was dreadful. Wes Brown would have been a better replacement. Has good pace which Carragher does not have. Shame he isnt playing regularly.
#5
Agree with op on players performances, i'd go with this team for the next game

GK - James
RB - Johnson
LB - Cole
CB - Terry
CB - Dawson
RM - Lennon
LM - Joe Cole
CM - Lampard
CM - Barry
AM (behind striker) - Gerrard
ST - Rooney

could put Cole behind Rooney but would mean playing somebody out of position on the left
#6
England have good players but bad team.
How come?
banned#7
Hart

Johnson
Terry
King/Upson
Cole

Milner
Lampard
Barry
Gerrard

Rooney
Heskey
[mod]#8
NeilGY
Agree with op on players performances, i'd go with this team for the next game

GK - James
RB - Johnson
LB - Cole
CB - Terry
CB - Dawson
RM - Lennon
LM - Joe Cole
CM - Lampard
CM - Barry
AM (behind striker) - Gerrard
ST - Rooney

could put Cole behind Rooney but would mean playing somebody out of position on the left


4-4-1-1?

I would do 4-1-3-1-1...but, Slovenia and Algeria will park the bus in front of their own goal so I think you dont need a defensive midfielder and a more attacking midfielder is needed
[mod]#9
hibees
England have good players but bad team.
How come?


They do not have a bad team.
#10
hibees
England have good players but bad team.
How come?


because they are all the star players in seperate teams..
#11
DudeyGeeza
because they are all the star players in seperate teams..


Be cause they all act like they are too good to be there imo. Players like Joe Cole and Lennon etc, the not so first team players see not to be too cool and really wanna impress.

Thats where all this 60 mins of passing it round the back comes from. Trying to act cool, calm and collected.
banned#12
green

johnson
dawson
terry
cole

lennon
barry
gerrard
j.cole

rooney
heskey
#13
England need Owen Hargreaves.

With him England will not win the world cup.

Spain will win it. Germany looked awesome tonight, why on earth does not a team from England buy Klose or Lahm.
#14
rm13_hammer
green

johnson
dawson
terry
cole

lennon
barry
gerrard
j.cole

rooney
heskey


no lampard and heskey instead,, goto ROFL on that one m8 hehe..

at least put lamps in midfield and push gerrard upfront (or just behind and left ) with rooney
banned#15
JohnBall
Be cause they all act like they are too good to be there imo. Players like Joe Cole and Lennon etc, the not so first team players see not to be too cool and really wanna impress.

Thats where all this 60 mins of passing it round the back comes from. Trying to act cool, calm and collected.


exactly
players like lampard terry etc. think they are so good that they will get picked every game thus leading to them putting no effort in and having no hunger
about time a few got dropped to give them a well need kick up the arse
banned#16
rm13_hammer
green

johnson
dawson
terry
cole

lennon
barry
gerrard
j.cole

rooney
heskey


You've left out Lampard.
banned#17
DudeyGeeza
no lampard and heskey instead,, goto ROFL on that one m8 hehe..

at least put lamps in midfield and push gerrard upfront (or just behind and left ) with rooney


goto rofl at you dropping heskey who was one of the better players last night

bout time idiots like you stopped picking players because their a big name
banned#18
rm13_hammer
exactly
players like lampard terry etc. think they are so good that they will get picked every game thus leading to them putting no effort in and having no hunger
about time a few got dropped to give them a well need kick up the arse


Do Lampard and Terry have the same problem at Chelsea?

We really had to carry them when we won the double last year:roll:
#19
rm13_hammer
exactly
players like lampard terry etc. think they are so good that they will get picked every game thus leading to them putting no effort in and having no hunger
about time a few got dropped to give them a well need kick up the arse


well in that case lets play the second string team:

Hart
Warnock
Upson
Dawson
Carragher

Cole
Carrick
Milner

Heskey

Crouch
Defoe

:w00t:
banned#20
FilthAndFurry
You've left out Lampard.


i dont feel hes done enough for england in last few tears to warrant selection in first 11but would make bench :thumbsup:
#21
rm13_hammer
goto rofl at you dropping heskey who was one of the better players last night

bout time idiots like you stopped picking players because their a big name


ffs, calling me an idiot, i aughta kick your butt right now you ar$e lol..

Rooney got nowt cos heskey was playing... so...
banned#22
rm13_hammer
i dont feel hes done enough for england in last few tears to warrant selection in first 11but would make bench :thumbsup:


Right....so you play Heskey so that he can bring in the support from midfield to score goals, but you leave out one of the best goalscoring midfielders in the world.

Is this another symptom of the West Ham disease creeping out:thinking:
banned#23
DudeyGeeza
ffs, calling me an idiot, i aughta kick your butt right now you ar$e lol..

Rooney got nowt cos heskey was playing... so...


rooney didnt get anything because usa defenders did their job :thumbsup: they was all over him all night
#24
rm13_hammer
rooney didnt get anything because usa defenders did their job :thumbsup: they was all over him all night


the usa defenders knew there was no point marking the slow tree, so england pumped the ball up to him, making the playing style not the way rooney likes it, he's a ball to feet guy.. long balls all night cos of heskey being up there is what ruled rooney out of the game.
banned#25
FilthAndFurry
Right....so you play Heskey so that he can bring in the support from midfield to score goals, but you leave out one of the best goalscoring midfielders in the world.

Is this another symptom of the West Ham disease creeping out:thinking:


lampard got left out because we all know lampard are gerrard can't play together and i feel we need barry in the team
gerrard gets the nod over lampard because simply he performs better for england fact!
#26
rm13_hammer
lampard got left out because we all know lampard are gerrard can't play together and i feel we need barry in the team
gerrard gets the nod over lampard because simply he performs better for england fact!


Did Lampard play last night?
He was awful as were most of the team, Greens blunder covered over the overall poor performance
banned#27
DudeyGeeza
the usa defenders knew there was no point marking the slow tree, so england pumped the ball up to him, making the playing style not the way rooney likes it, he's a ball to feet guy.. long balls all night cos of heskey being up there is what ruled rooney out of the game.


out of interest who do you support?
#28
No point comparing England to Germany-totally different domestic policies. Germans do not pay rediculous wages and so do not attract overseas stars. End result they have little success at club level but make up for it at international level.
banned#29
rm13_hammer
lampard got left out because we all know lampard are gerrard can't play together and i feel we need barry in the team
gerrard gets the nod over lampard because simply he performs better for england fact!


Actually, Lamps's goalscoring record for England isn't that different (might actually be better).

And they can play together in the same team. Barry holds and you have Frank in his normal position with Gerrard on the left cutting in. You basically play the diamond in midfield and leave wingers out.
#30
rm13_hammer
out of interest who do you support?


not west ham lol;-)
banned#31
skusey
Did Lampard play last night?
He was awful as were most of the team, Greens blunder covered over the overall poor performance


:thumbsup:
#32
rm13_hammer
out of interest who do you support?


ABE:)
banned#33
FilthAndFurry
Actually, Lamps's goalscoring record for England isn't that different (might actually be better).

And they can play together in the same team. Barry holds and you have Frank in his normal position with Gerrard on the left cutting in. You basically play the diamond in midfield and leave wingers out.


So Gerrard has to move to a less effective position just to suit lampard :roll:
banned#34
DudeyGeeza
not west ham lol;-)


If your not willing to tell, your opinion becomes insignificant :thumbsup:
#35
rm13_hammer
So Gerrard has to move to a less effective position just to suit lampard :roll:


sad fact is England only have one good striker, gerrard should go upfront, lampard in CF position with 3 narrow midfielders, barry left, carrick mid, milner right, then the wingbacks could actually do their wingback jobs..

dont forget, barry is one of the few left footers in our side!
banned#36
rm13_hammer
So Gerrard has to move to a less effective position just to suit lampard :roll:


Gerrard isn't any less effective there (as shown in qualification). He plays quite centrally but when we're defending he covers the left-wing.
banned#37
DudeyGeeza
sad fact is England only have one good striker, gerrard should go upfront, lampard in CF position with 3 narrow midfielders, barry left, carrick mid, milner right, then the wingbacks could actually do their wingback jobs..


england has 2 good strikers Defoe & Rooney :thumbsup: just a shame they dont play well together

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