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How far should you go if kids harress's/attacks you?

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8y, 11m agoPosted 8 years, 11 months ago
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/jeremy_clarkson/article2982766.ece

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7130860.stm

I was going to do a poll, but actually I'd be interested to hear peoples opinions

Self Defence vs. Affray thread:
http://www.policespecials.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26291

PS: I'm not that old, Thatcher child now in my late 20s, but can someone explain to me, why SO MANY groups of kids, especially in less well off areas, these days believe they have the right to do as they please with such disgusting and grotesque behaviour?
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banned#1
because thats what there parents have dragged them up to believe
banned#2
I agree with Clarkson and totally blame the so called parent/s who barely drag these kids up. The same parent/s who if anything happens to their child blames everyone else as their child is an angel, until you hear the opinions of all the neighbours.
#3
If it happens/ed to me I would use reasonable force to defend my family especially my 4 month old daughter who goes everywhere with us. I'm not afraid to stand up to this kind of behaviour but I wil not go looking for it, only react.
#4
ive given some little scallys a slap behind the ear when ive asked them politely not to smoke drugs in our stairwell or play music loudly they gave me a bit of lip so i gave them a bit of slap they havent returned
#5
Empower schools to discipline children again......if they weren't disciplined at home at least they were at school(in my day and before that!)

Thrash 'em within an inch of their lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:evil:

In all seriousness though,in this day of no smacking allowed and impotent schools,kids seem to be getting more unruly!:?

Not all,of course,but is this softly,softly approach really working?
banned#6
You notice the ones who are going to be a problem as soon as they get to primary school. They get away with anything at home, then disrupt the class when they start school. The schools can only do so much.

Even the teachers say that as soon as they meet the parent/s it explains alot. They do seem to be of a certain type.
#7
Just to echo how soft schools have become:

Teachers these days are not allowed to make negative comments on children's reports

IE:
Maths: Makes no effort, does not do homework will become a delinquent at this rate, parents obviously not bothering to instill any discipline or routine into the child.
That would be considered offensive and not allowed and outlawed by the Headteacher so as not to receive any complaints and maintain the status quo which is at the heart of rotting away at today's children imho.

Instead they have to put on this pathetic softly softly, non negative, as positive as can be however delusional comment:
Maths: Could do better, has potential for improvement, could achieve great heights.

It's unbelievable tbh, and contributing towards arrogant children, barely able to speak English and falling behind the Western European educational curve making Britain look quite backward frankly.

As for discipline and respect for parents/law/teachers/authority figures. Parents are and forever will be at the core of this foundation, the above comments are right, children who do not respect and fear their parents will not respect anyone outside their home either or the police and other authoritiy figures. And yet all these parents seem to get away with bringing up these little ***** without real consequence.

/Rant :)
#8
when i was in my teens my parents were stricter then all the parents round my way on going out while they were hanging round street corners i wasnt allowed out after 7 pm i now thank the fact my parents were like this as most of these other kids are either druggies unemployed layabouts with no intention of getting of their lazy butts and doing a hard days work or they were up the duff at 14/15

the paretns are to blame oh and the PC brigade
banned#9
If the situation calls for it, gogoplata.
#10
I think anyone physically able (or not even) would defend their family with their own life - inside or outside your own home. Not so many people will jump in and help a stranger, but then can you blame them when so many "have a go heroes" have ended up worse off than the person they were helping.

The world has gone completely nuts, i think i missed the US and UK elections when the Monster Raving Looney party gained power :roll:

I'm only in my late 20's but at school you were scared of some of your teachers and looking back thats quite a good thing! Theres no way you'd have angered one of them or a text book would have been flying your way :whistling:

Jeremy Clarkson for Prime Minister ;-)
#11
The scumm of today.
Im a 19 yr old and I find it abit strange when i see people i used to go to school with,hanging round outside shops on bikes doing nothing with there life.

When i did something wrong i got a right slap off my dad.
Its the parents today,they dont seem to care anymore.
#12
Kids these days have no respect for their elders, and the parents are to blame for that.

If any lil chav tried to verbally abuse me, I'd rip him apart with all my cusses. Though they may be out of date as I was in high school about 4years ago :p
#13
A few years ago I returned to my car from the local store car park after also having dropped of my heavily pregnant wife, who was going across road to chemist. She was taking her time as it had snowed heavily. A group of neds/youths/ar*eholes came up road and simultaneously started pelting her with snowballs and shouting 'fatty' etc. They were right in front of my car. Red mist came down and I got out, upended the biggest of the lot and started rubbing his face in the snow. I subsequently handed myself in to the local police station up the road to explain that if there were any allegations forthcoming i had witnesses and would happily take the wrap.

Upshot is I would use any force necessary to protect my family.

Parents to blame no 1. I would never have dreamt of doing any of that stuff as i woulkd have got killed by my folks if I got into trouble. What are these parents doing letting their kids out till whatever time at night.

Government to blame no 2. Getting rid of corporal punishment at school is a big factor. Political correctness gone daft. Everyone frightened of getting sued by parents whose naughty children got the belt.??? Shouldnt have been messing about in the first place.!

I have my own values and try to teach my kids right from wrong and respect for elders. Sadly it is no longer there and unfortunately this new breed of youngsters are now breeding themselves. Flippin scary!:x
#14
add-man
The scumm of today.
Im a 19 yr old and I find it abit strange when i see people i used to go to school with,hanging round outside shops on bikes doing nothing with there life.

When i did something wrong i got a right slap off my dad.
Its the parents today,they dont seem to care anymore.

Thanks for that add-man. I happily exclude you from my rantings.
[helper]#15
I don't think the lack of corporal punishment at school can be blamed for everything. Some kids at school are uncontrollable and having corporal punishment isn't likely to make much difference. At the end of the day its the parents but also to a certain extent the child/youth that has to accept responsibility for their or their childrens behaviour.
I feel really sorry for teachers these days - in some schools the main aim of the lesson is to the keep the kids under control never mind being able to teach them anything.
#16
gari189
I don't think the lack of corporal punishment at school can be blamed for everything. Some kids at school are uncontrollable and having corporal punishment isn't likely to make much difference. At the end of the day its the parents but also to a certain extent the child/youth that has to accept responsibility for their or their childrens behaviour.
I feel really sorry for teachers these days - in some schools the main aim of the lesson is to the keep the kids under control never mind being able to teach them anything.

I dont disagree Gary. Giving kids the belt in isolation is not going to solve the problem - but there is a fundamental lack of respect. This is part of the generation gap I believe and Parents are to blame. Kids know there will not be any retribution. The cheekiness of even small kids now is unbelievable. You have childern assaulting teachers and the teachers having to be extremely careful how they defend themselves. I could not do their job as within a day i would have lost my job and be in jail !
#17
When you see that nanny program (cant remember what its called) and the little kid is punching his parents/spitting at them/throwing stuff round.They should give them a slap (not hard).but instead they let them go mental then have to get the nanny in

Its abit annoying when i know people my age and they are unemployed and they arent looking for jobs either, I dont have time for the *****. Bring back national service.Get the scumm of the streets.

Theres a war memorial near i live and there youths hanging round it,skating on it and SPITTING on it.I dont know about them,but i was brought up to respect my elders. Especially people that fought in the war

P.S nike should stop making those ****** baseball cap things

Its also weird that they think its okay to shout abuse and stuff but if you do anything to them they go straight to the police.Little *****
#18
Aaarghh.......spitting!!!!:x

I hate that disgusting habit,I mean really hate,hate,hate it!!!:x :x

Whenever I see anyone spitting in the street,I tut and say quite loudly,so that they can hear me "DISGUSTING!!!!"

And I do not care what they think of me for doing so,my opinion of them is too low to even care what they think.My objective being that hopefully they may think about what they do.......probably it falls on deaf ears,though!:roll:
[helper]#19
Rockhound
I dont disagree Gary. Giving kids the belt in isolation is not going to solve the problem - but there is a fundamental lack of respect. !

Very very true. Its down to parents but also the kids themselves know when they are doing something wrong.... Maybe parents don't spend enough time with their kids anymore, maybe they don't know how to be good parents.

I think its rather bizarre that you can be taught all kinds of useless rubbish at school (when was the last time you had to do any algebra?) but nothing is covered about "life skills" like parenting. Parents have the responsibility for raising the next generation of our society but its something you go into blindfold.....
#20
Mass culling and sterilization, then child tax.
#21
gari189
Very very true. Its down to parents but also the kids themselves know when they are doing something wrong.... Maybe parents don't spend enough time with their kids anymore, maybe they don't know how to be good parents.

I think its rather bizarre that you can be taught all kinds of useless rubbish at school (when was the last time you had to do any algebra?) but nothing is covered about "life skills" like parenting. Parents have the responsibility for raising the next generation of our society but its something you go into blindfold.....

Gari - possibly an old codgers response...but I think the generation now starting to raise kids are the generation where it all started going wrong - so what chance do they have. Chantelle/Kylie et al are starting to have kids...way too early.. and are therefore under a lot of social pressure anyway!
#22
gari189
when was the last time you had to do any algebra?


LMAO!!!

The oldest cliche in the book, you don't wear Union Jack Boxer Shorts do you?

:w00t:
[helper]#24
Alfonse
LMAO!!!

The oldest cliche in the book, you don't wear Union Jack Boxer Shorts do you?

:w00t:

The only reason algebra is of any use is if you are going on to some kind further study (btw I did A level maths) but in the real world have you ever used algebra? I have used trigonometry to work out some angles though....
#25
gari189
The only reason algebra is of any use is if you are going on to some kind further study (btw I did A level maths) but in the real world have you ever used algebra? I have used trigonometry to work out some angles though....


I did uni as well with the polynomial algebraic division hated it, anywho, of course you use maths everyday, algebra in simplest is just working out the missing number.

Yes I use algebra all the time.
1 Like #26
I came across these type of kids a few weeks ago.

I was on my way back from collecting a chinese meal around 6pm and there is a lad who has lived in our town all his life and is well known by everyone. He is now almost 30 but with a mental age of around 10. He is a big lad but wouldn't hurt a fly and just wanders the around, local shops and people give him food etc as his parents don't seem care what he does :x

Anyway there was a group of around 6 or 7 teenagers pushing him around, p***ing themselves laughing because he was crying and getting angry. I couldn't just walk past so I went over and told them to leave him alone and told him I would take him home. The little s**ts stared telling me to mind my own f***king business and one of the girls raised her hand as if she was going to hit me, fortunately my son goes to karate and has taught me self defence moves, I caught her hand and twisted it up her back and told her that I would be having words with her parents later that evening (not that I know who they were). She then said "my mum won't give a f**k anyway and if you hurt me I'll get the police onto you"!!!!! I said fine go ahead and took the lad home.

I was so angry I could have given her a slap but then it would have been me in trouble not her.

These kids know nothing will happen to them and if they can get away with this behaviour they will.
#27
i live in a village which has just been named as having the worst teenagers in northern ireland. its down to parents not caring.

My parents had me in by 8 while others were allowed to run the streets to god knows what hour.

But may i say not all teenagers are bad, im only 21 and my sisters 16 and neither of us would get into anything like that and thats due to strict parenting, so i blame the parents!
banned#28
You get teenage pregnant girls who, their mum's themselves were young mothers. Mothers of two or more kids by different dads. Its all taught by example. Not that long ago you had some parents who unfortunately split and then got with someone and had more kids. Fair enough, you have one unlucky union. But, people who go on to have different kids by three or more different dads have to look at themselves and their choice of partner.

There is no shame anymore. If I ever had the unfortunate displeasure of having a young kid with a baby on the way I would worry about where the hell I went wrong, as my parents managed to educate me enough to not get into that predicement.

Likewise little chavvy thug kids who rule the streets. If any of mine did that, I would purely blame myself.

It will not happen and I know that because I bring my children up to be better than that.
banned#29
I am a very very soft cuddly type....however i would happily threaten, abuse or even kill if anyone got in between myself and my children. It is my god given right to protect my kids, and it comes from prehistoric urges. I am their protector, and I will certainly not give it a second thought if a 'hoodie' went to attack my child, about my reaction
banned#30
UltimoScorpion
I am a very very soft cuddly type....however i would happily threaten, abuse or even kill if anyone got in between myself and my children. It is my god given right to protect my kids, and it comes from prehistoric urges. I am their protector, and I will certainly not give it a second thought if a 'hoodie' went to attack my child, about my reaction


Soft and cuddly:)
banned#31
Prissymiss
Soft and cuddly:)



:p

I knew someone would have a comment.....wife says I'm cuddly
[helper]#32
UltimoScorpion
:p

I knew someone would have a comment.....wife says I'm cuddly


Maybe your wife is hinting you're fat!!
banned#33
UltimoScorpion
:p

I knew someone would have a comment.....wife says I'm cuddly


Thats just polite for fat;-)
banned#34
Sadly its people with the "it wont happen to me" attitude that are gonna get bitten up the ****:roll:
#35
i was a testing teen , the old man put me in hospital needing stiches , he feels guilty about it , i told him not to worry ,it was called for at the time

protect yourself firstly , worry about everything else afterwards , respect is a once heard of thing in this day and age , fight back
banned#36
gari189
Maybe your wife is hinting you're fat!!


No need for a poll then:whistling:
banned#37
Prissymiss
Thats just polite for fat;-)


Cheers Priss....luv you too :w00t: :w00t:
banned#38
gari189
Maybe your wife is hinting you're fat!!


Maybe she wants a punch in the face :w00t: :w00t:
banned#39
Prissymiss
No need for a pole then:whistling:


Whats an illegal immigrant got to do with my fat?....err cuddlyness:oops:
banned#40
UltimoScorpion
Cheers Priss....luv you too :w00t: :w00t:


It's a hard job, but someones gotta do it:whistling:

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