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Just asking because there is this baby with a terminal illness, Charlie Gard who has already had over 1.3 million ? spent on keeping him alive I have tried to find out what profession his mother or f… Read More
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banned3w, 3d agoPosted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Just asking because there is this baby with a terminal illness, Charlie Gard who has already had over 1.3 million ? spent on keeping him alive

I have tried to find out what profession his mother or father have but there doesn't seem to be any mention of what work they do or have done.

I know people who have got cancer and subsequently died a horrible and painful death due to the fact that tests, that cost £10 each, weren't implemented and the NHS couldn't afford drugs. Or the £10 test.

It's disappointing when you hear over £1.3000,000 has been spent on a baby that has no actual conscious thoughts and family that rely on him.

God knows how many hundreds of thousands of taxpayer money has been spent on lawyers - doubt they are losing any sleep either way.

I'm sure people can interpret this message the wrong way. This has become a political cause and it stinks. People lose children everyday and people deal with terminally ill children that have formed their own personality and character. And are dignified and mute.

I apologise if anyone gets wrongly offended. I do feel that adults who have their own families and lives are worth more than a 10 month old baby who can't think and who's parents don't seem to actually have a job or have ever had one....

If they have please update me post a link- all of the reports I have seen haven't made ONE mention of what they do. Reminds me of Kyle and loving the attention!

I'm funny like that!
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banned3w, 3d agoPosted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
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I've been in the position where I have had to make the decision to turn off life support. It doesn't matter if there is little or no chance of survival, you are making the decision to end the life of someone you love more than life itself. You can't blame the parents for using up nhs resources, you have to have been in that position to understand. There are still days that I feel I made the decision to kill my husband and maybe a miracle may have happened and he would've recovered. Deep down I know it isn't the case but unless you've walked in those shoes you really shouldn't judge
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I would rather my taxes were spent on that little kid than the 12 billion we send around the world improving the lives of people that don't even live in this country tbh but i guess there is no way of making any money out of him for the rich.
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Ask yourself the same questions and consider how you would feel if it was your own child. Id do anything for mine and no one has the right to tell a parent they have to let their child die as its costing too much. This thread should be spammed.
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Just wait until you see how much has been spend looking for Madeline Mccann.......
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I can understand people trying to get together all the money they can to help loved ones regardless of age, as someone who is a full time carer to my mother who has late stage Alzheimer's if there was anything that could be done to bring her back to her old self I would happily campaign for every last penny to try anything.

As for the op comments that somehow just because the baby is only 10 months old it doesn't really matter, I hope for your sake you're never in a similar situation, my daughter was diagnosed with cerebral palsy at 13 months, maybe me and her mom should have just given up on her then and thought oh well she's only a baby it's not like she matters to anyone is it.

Yours is a very shallow minded opinion my friend

Edited By: robdexter7 on Jul 02, 2017 21:26: Jul 02, 2017 21:26

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10 Likes #1
This'll be a fun thread.
#2
Concur
24 Likes #3
What on earth has the profession of the parents got to do with anything? The £1.3 million was raised by the parents to fund treatment in America not what the nhs spent. Get your facts straight
1 Like #4
Whether they have a job or not is completely irrelevant and a 10 month old baby isn't old enough for a job yet so treatment from hospitals is costed to include baby's and kids which everyone accepts is the right thing to do.
1 Like #5
I would agree with you but I don't see how what jobs the babies parents has, has any bearing on the argument.
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Maybe the question you should of asked is how much is too much if they have very little or zero chance of survival. Because the way you have put this is if the parents have never had a job then they shouldn't get any help for the child's treatment.
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Ask yourself the same questions and consider how you would feel if it was your own child. Id do anything for mine and no one has the right to tell a parent they have to let their child die as its costing too much. This thread should be spammed.
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Don't even know what to comment on this thread. Clearly you don't have children, as I put my 10 month old to sleep l just can't even imagine what the parents are going through. Whether they have a job or not has nothing to do with them fighting for the life of their child. The NHS wastes millions on the unemployed getting free prescriptions, dental work etc so I don't see how you can put a value on a life
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I can understand people trying to get together all the money they can to help loved ones regardless of age, as someone who is a full time carer to my mother who has late stage Alzheimer's if there was anything that could be done to bring her back to her old self I would happily campaign for every last penny to try anything.

As for the op comments that somehow just because the baby is only 10 months old it doesn't really matter, I hope for your sake you're never in a similar situation, my daughter was diagnosed with cerebral palsy at 13 months, maybe me and her mom should have just given up on her then and thought oh well she's only a baby it's not like she matters to anyone is it.

Yours is a very shallow minded opinion my friend

Edited By: robdexter7 on Jul 02, 2017 21:26: Jul 02, 2017 21:26
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I would rather my taxes were spent on that little kid than the 12 billion we send around the world improving the lives of people that don't even live in this country tbh but i guess there is no way of making any money out of him for the rich.
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Begs the question is it ethical for surgeons, consultants drug manufacturers to charge so much, It's acceptable that surgery's cost a fair bit to set up and run but how competitive is the industry, not at all is my guess. How much can a few man hours cost?
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Every life matters. Personally I have saved 3 lifes from certain death & 50 plus others just helping them in the moment
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Just wait until you see how much has been spend looking for Madeline Mccann.......
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teh.arn
Just wait until you see how much has been spend looking for Madeline Mccann.......

When they could have just asked the parents, some might argue.
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Bo0td
This'll be a fun thread.

I have the popcorn at the ready, we just need a religious angle on this and some Daily Mail readers.
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Possibly the most insensitive shameful thread I've seen on Misc to date.

I bet you wouldn't have that attitude OP if one of your own was in a similar situation, you're far from funny - you sound like a nasty piece of work.
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Some years ago my last employer had me insured for 10 grand, despite my salary being 3 times that at the time.
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Firstly just because the news doesn't say what the parents job is doesn't mean that they don't have a job. Secondly even if they had a job previously it's very possible that they had to give up their job caring for their terminally ill baby.
I can tell you from personal experience as my baby girl was diagnosed to be terminally ill when she was only 4 month old. And we both had to give up our jobs caring for our baby and other 2children. Yes there was no treatment available to cure her. However there was a trial in Italy and yes we flew there and tried everything to give her the best and longest life possible. Sadly she died when she was only 9 month old, but we know that we as parents and the doctors and nurses who cared for her did everything they could till her last breath.
All the £1.3m was donated by very kindhearted people. I don't see what exactly the NHS problem is if they take Charlie to the US it won't cost them a penny.

Edited By: Mountdin on Jul 02, 2017 22:05: Personal
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CookinBat
Begs the question is it ethical for surgeons, consultants drug manufacturers to charge so much, It's acceptable that surgery's cost a fair bit to set up and run but how competitive is the industry, not at all is my guess. How much can a few man hours cost?

Yes they should charge that much. Drugs arent free to make and when you have to R&D and produce the ingredients for drugs not used much then it costs alot to do, not as much as they charge sure, but no drugs would get made without profit.
#20
Why are these threads on this site :(
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I've been in the position where I have had to make the decision to turn off life support. It doesn't matter if there is little or no chance of survival, you are making the decision to end the life of someone you love more than life itself. You can't blame the parents for using up nhs resources, you have to have been in that position to understand. There are still days that I feel I made the decision to kill my husband and maybe a miracle may have happened and he would've recovered. Deep down I know it isn't the case but unless you've walked in those shoes you really shouldn't judge
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psychobitchfromhell
I've been in the position where I have had to make the decision to turn off life support. It doesn't matter if there is little or no chance of survival, you are making the decision to end the life of someone you love more than life itself. You can't blame the parents for using up nhs resources, you have to have been in that position to understand. There are still days that I feel I made the decision to kill my husband and maybe a miracle may have happened and he would've recovered. Deep down I know it isn't the case but unless you've walked in those shoes you really shouldn't judge
very well said x
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i get what you are saying OP about babies not having a consciousness and the value of human life, dont know what the parents jobs have to do with it though.

people have odd ideas, you are right the money could be spent alot more efficiently amongst those in need, especially if donated to the NHS. However it was raised privately and people gave for a specific reason. Humanity isnt logical and sometimes giving alot of money to save one kid isnt logical, but still the right thing to do. It appears to be a new and completely experimental drug that probably wouldnt work, but parents will do anything to help their children and other parents agree since they gave the money.
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catbeans
Yes they should charge that much. Drugs arent free to make and when you have to R&D and produce the ingredients for drugs not used much then it costs alot to do, not as much as they charge sure, but no drugs would get made without profit.

I'm not disputing they shouldn't make a profit, however some of these drugs cost peanuts yet they charge the NHS extortionate prices simply b'cos they can. Sadly It's human nature to exploit, maybe some don't but..
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CookinBat
catbeans
Yes they should charge that much. Drugs arent free to make and when you have to R&D and produce the ingredients for drugs not used much then it costs alot to do, not as much as they charge sure, but no drugs would get made without profit.
I'm not disputing they shouldn't make a profit, however some of these drugs cost peanuts yet they charge the NHS extortionate prices simply b'cos they can. Sadly It's human nature to exploit, maybe some don't but..

Irritates me that some doctors still prescribe paracetamols and ibuprofen. £8.60 prescription and less than a £1 from superdrug/boots.
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ame2607
CookinBat
catbeans
Yes they should charge that much. Drugs arent free to make and when you have to R&D and produce the ingredients for drugs not used much then it costs alot to do, not as much as they charge sure, but no drugs would get made without profit.
I'm not disputing they shouldn't make a profit, however some of these drugs cost peanuts yet they charge the NHS extortionate prices simply b'cos they can. Sadly It's human nature to exploit, maybe some don't but..
Irritates me that some doctors still prescribe paracetamols and ibuprofen. £8.60 prescription and less than a £1 from superdrug/boots.
But if all you need is a paracetamol why are you going to the doctor?
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psychobitchfromhell
ame2607
CookinBat
catbeans
Yes they should charge that much. Drugs arent free to make and when you have to R&D and produce the ingredients for drugs not used much then it costs alot to do, not as much as they charge sure, but no drugs would get made without profit.
I'm not disputing they shouldn't make a profit, however some of these drugs cost peanuts yet they charge the NHS extortionate prices simply b'cos they can. Sadly It's human nature to exploit, maybe some don't but..
Irritates me that some doctors still prescribe paracetamols and ibuprofen. £8.60 prescription and less than a £1 from superdrug/boots.
But if all you need is a paracetamol why are you going to the doctor?

I dont lol.

Example link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3711703/NHS-spends-87m-paracetamol-20-TIMES-high-street-cost-Doctors-wrote-22-9m-prescriptions-year-average-cost-3-83-each.html
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ame2607
psychobitchfromhell
ame2607
CookinBat
catbeans
Yes they should charge that much. Drugs arent free to make and when you have to R&D and produce the ingredients for drugs not used much then it costs alot to do, not as much as they charge sure, but no drugs would get made without profit.
I'm not disputing they shouldn't make a profit, however some of these drugs cost peanuts yet they charge the NHS extortionate prices simply b'cos they can. Sadly It's human nature to exploit, maybe some don't but..
Irritates me that some doctors still prescribe paracetamols and ibuprofen. £8.60 prescription and less than a £1 from superdrug/boots.
But if all you need is a paracetamol why are you going to the doctor?
I dont lol.
Example link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3711703/NHS-spends-87m-paracetamol-20-TIMES-high-street-cost-Doctors-wrote-22-9m-prescriptions-year-average-cost-3-83-each.html
I have a really high pain threshold . I have to be on death's door before I go to the doctor. My husband used to confiscate my car keys to stop me going to work when I wasn't fit.
#29
Just another story from a ****** up country that's run by idiots for idiots.

Edited By: andywedge on Jul 02, 2017 23:55: swearing
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Putting aside the nonsense of the employment status of the parents, this case does raise contentious moral and ethical questions. Subjectively, I do not know a parent who would not fight for every opportunity to give their child every chance of life and a recovery, however unlikely. Objectively, if all the medical knowledge is pointing to an inevitable outcome, the parents need to allow themselves to listen when someone they trust steps forward and says it is time to let go.

I don't profess to know enough medical detail about this specific case, but there does seem to be a slightly blinkered attitude from the parents which is only delaying the inevitable conclusion. They do seem to be unable to cogently make the case for his continued life support, but instead appear to be seeking an emotional rather than evidence-based support for his continued survival. They need to be counselled in order to be able to let nature take its course, and not allow an impression of courting publicity to affect the understandable level of public sympathy.
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A whole new low for misc. Congrats.
#32
Hughsars
...I apologise if anyone gets wrongly offended...

Is there a correct way to be offended by your opening post?
#33
Saturn
Putting aside the nonsense of the employment status of the parents, this case does raise contentious moral and ethical questions. Subjectively, I do not know a parent who would not fight for every opportunity to give their child every chance of life and a recovery, however unlikely. Objectively, if all the medical knowledge is pointing to an inevitable outcome, the parents need to allow themselves to listen when someone they trust steps forward and says it is time to let go....

...are we discussing Madeleine McCann's parents again? :{
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Life shouldn't have a value set upon it
Everyone is different
Some people are brave enough and compassionate enough to understand and accept the medical advice whilst others feel they have a right to challenge that medical advice or attempt to try unproven treatments and this country allows those challenges to be heard/made.
And everyone is different and allowed to judge from their own perspective/understanding.

For me the only issue I have is that it took the justice system too long to give the "final" (excuse the wording) judgement
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fanpages
Saturn
Putting aside the nonsense of the employment status of the parents, this case does raise contentious moral and ethical questions. Subjectively, I do not know a parent who would not fight for every opportunity to give their child every chance of life and a recovery, however unlikely. Objectively, if all the medical knowledge is pointing to an inevitable outcome, the parents need to allow themselves to listen when someone they trust steps forward and says it is time to let go....
...are we discussing Madeleine McCann's parents again? :{


It hadn't crossed my mind - but now you mention it .....
2 Likes #36
philphil61
Life shouldn't have a value set upon itEveryone is differentSome people are brave enough and compassionate enough to understand and accept the medical advice whilst others feel they have a right to challenge that medical advice or attempt to try unproven treatments and this country allows those challenges to be heard/made.And everyone is different and allowed to judge from their own perspective/understanding.For me the only issue I have is that it took the justice system too long to give the "final" (excuse the wording) judgement

All treatments are unproven until they are tried. I'm not sure why they weren't allowed to take the baby to America but I assume we don't know the whole story.
#37
How much value does the OP put on other Miscer's opinons? Not much by all accounts.
1 Like #38
psychobitchfromhell
philphil61
Life shouldn't have a value set upon it
Everyone is different
Some people are brave enough and compassionate enough to understand and accept the medical advice whilst others feel they have a right to challenge that medical advice or attempt to try unproven treatments and this country allows those challenges to be heard/made.
And everyone is different and allowed to judge from their own perspective/understanding.
For me the only issue I have is that it took the justice system too long to give the "final" (excuse the wording) judgement
All treatments are unproven until they are tried. I'm not sure why they weren't allowed to take the baby to America but I assume we don't know the whole story.
I'm not sure why they couldn't take him either. The parents had raised a good amount and as others have pointed out this country has spent millions on Madeleine McCann plus billions in aid plus a billion for the DUP
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Hughsars. Congratulations on hitting an all time low with this thread
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Mods, can't you use your new vague code of conduct to ban this multi already? Why wait.

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