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banned6y, 4m agoPosted 6 years, 4 months ago
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On my way into work this morning, there was a story in the Metro talking about cosmetic surgery being paid for by the NHS to repair the Hymen and create "new virgins".

Why would anyone want to have this done to start married life built around a lie?

Why is the cash starved NHS funding this cosmetic surgery, particularly in the cost cutting recession we live in currently.

Seems most of the nationals are running this story, so hopefully the publicity will soon put an end to this complete waste of money. I truely hope so. If being a virgin is so important for marriage, the best advice I can think of is don't sleep around and expect the tax payer to pick up the bill to live a lie.

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banned6y, 4m agoPosted 6 years, 4 months ago
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#2
would you consider this a waste of money if it was done on a rape victim who was a virgin b4 the rape ? i feel that this is something that could be used to help victims in this way . would you consier this a lie or something the victim would just want to forget ?
banned#3
Reeferman
would you consider this a waste of money if it was done on a rape victim who was a virgin b4 the rape ? i feel that this is something that could be used to help victims in this way . would you consier this a lie or something the victim would just want to forget ?

Of course it would be a lie. It happened.

Of course there would be residual mental scarring for a rape victim. but surgery is pointless and I'd recommend hypnosis.
#4
Reeferman
would you consider this a waste of money if it was done on a rape victim who was a virgin b4 the rape ? i feel that this is something that could be used to help victims in this way . would you consier this a lie or something the victim would just want to forget ?


I agree with Reeferman. Though NHS should charge those who do it for cosmetic reasons and not rape victims
banned#5
BIKEFREEDOM
I agree with Reeferman. Though NHS should charge those who do it for cosmetic reasons and not rape victims

Well to be fair, the article doesn't speak about anything other than cosmetic surgery to illicit a lie, but point duly noted.
#6
Locking the stable door after the horse has bolted much.

Complete waste of tax payers money.

Pandering to peoples whims and fads.

Far more important things for the money to be spent on,in fact this should be at the bottom of the list,i cannot think of anything more pointless tbh

In b4 racist

Edited By: boothy on Aug 03, 2010 08:39:
#7
Theres another story thats doing the rounds. Apparently a certain trust hospital hired out a ward to porn film makers to assist in their latest blockbuster. I have heard rumours as to its location but dont have any specific knowledge that its true. Chelsea and Westminister has been mentioned.

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Another Link. Interesting comments section

Edited By: WoolyM on Aug 03, 2010 09:19: Link added
Edited By: WoolyM on Aug 03, 2010 09:38: Extra link
banned#8
116 hymen replacements on the NHS between 2005 and 2009

23 a year? I guess there's bigger fish to fry plastic surgery on the NHS
banned#9
bykergrove
116 hymen replacements on the NHS between 2005 and 2009
23 a year? I guess there's bigger fish to fry plastic surgery on the NHS

lol Trying to deflect the point much?

Lets put it another way for you to understand. Assuming you are going to get married one day, would you be happy to be told by your future wife she has saved herself for you, when in fact she's been a slapper and been sleeping around and had this surgery to hide the fact? You wouldn't be to happy about that surely?
#10
The NHS is funding surgery for men who want to become women and vice versa, im sure this is more costly as it's longer surgery and entails 100s of hours of counselling
banned#11
jellybaby22
i think you should be able to get some cosmetic procedures on the nhs....but i knwo of two people who have had boob jobs on the nhs...all because they told their doctor how unhappy they were....I wouldnt advise nhs cosmetic surgery...had my nose done and then had to pay to get it fixed :p

Being unhappy with your appearance is one thing. Being unhappy you've been sleeping around and want to hide that fact, is ridiculous and deceitful. What next, Husbands suing the hospitals for their shamed marriage built around a lie? If these women wish to do that, to be fair, its their business and choice. However, it should NOT be at the expense of the tax payer.
#12
The thing that many may not realise is that a hymen can be broken naturally without ever having sex. A girl who does gymnastics or rides horses or takes part in other strenuos activity may break the hymen. All the stuff about men needing to see a show that a girl is a virgin says more about their injured pride than anything else.
If funds are scare maybe there should be an education programme instead of wasting NHS resources
#13
guv
jellybaby22
i think you should be able to get some cosmetic procedures on the nhs....but i knwo of two people who have had boob jobs on the nhs...all because they told their doctor how unhappy they were....I wouldnt advise nhs cosmetic surgery...had my nose done and then had to pay to get it fixed :p
Being unhappy with your appearance is one thing. Being unhappy you've been sleeping around and want to hide that fact, is ridiculous and deceitful. What next, Husbands suing the hospitals for their shamed marriage built around a lie? If these women wish to do that, to be fair, its their business and choice. However, it should NOT be at the expense of the tax payer.

Jelly babys post is relevant afterall we are talking about taxpayers money. If people are unhappy with their looks and are so vain then surely they can pay for it to be done privately too, or just put up with it. Having boobs done on the NHS that is just as ridiculous
banned#14
Lilly_White
The NHS is funding surgery for men who want to become women and vice versa, im sure this is more costly as it's longer surgery and entails 100s of hours of counselling

I'm sure it is also.

How about referring to the actual topic instead of going off at a tangent and talking about something completely different?

Do you think the NHS should be used to assist in this way and help women who have slept about and want to be deceiftful to their future husband? For some reason, I'm guessing you will. amirite?
#15
guv
Lilly_White
The NHS is funding surgery for men who want to become women and vice versa, im sure this is more costly as it's longer surgery and entails 100s of hours of counselling
I'm sure it is also.How about referring to the actual topic instead of going off at a tangent and talking about something completely different?Do you think the NHS should be used to assist in this way and help women who have slept about and want to be deceiftful to their future husband? For some reason, I'm guessing you will. amirite?


I disagree with both, for the women to have their hymen 'repaired' for the boob jobs and for genital reconstruction etc for people who want to change sexes, it is on topic because ALL are a waste of taxpayers money, but you have just zoomed on the one surgery, when the NHS is being used and at a greater cost with the other two mentioned
banned#16
WoolyM
The thing that many may not realise is that a hymen can be broken naturally without ever having sex. A girl who does gymnastics or rides horses or takes part in other strenuos activity may break the hymen. All the stuff about men needing to see a show that a girl is a virgin says more about their injured pride than anything else. If funds are scare maybe there should be an education programme instead of wasting NHS resources

This. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Its so unimportant its just a frivilous waste of money. You've also picked up a good point that it's probably more for the men than the women.
banned#17
Apparently the majority are Muslim women, so in that context a woman's virginity might be very important, possibly life-threateningly so. In that instance it seems a necessary evil.

Other cosmetic surgery can be part of the treatment for certain forms of depression. As a society we place a premium on certain physical aspects and I'm sure it can be hard for a woman who is perhaps 'underdeveloped' to live with all of these pressures. I'm sure it's easy to say 'deal with it', but if it helps with depression then I'm sure there's a benefit there.

It's not like gastric band surgery where they could change their diet on their own and get similar results.
banned#18
Lilly_White
guv
Lilly_White
The NHS is funding surgery for men who want to become women and vice versa, im sure this is more costly as it's longer surgery and entails 100s of hours of counselling
I'm sure it is also.How about referring to the actual topic instead of going off at a tangent and talking about something completely different?Do you think the NHS should be used to assist in this way and help women who have slept about and want to be deceiftful to their future husband? For some reason, I'm guessing you will. amirite?



I disagree with both, for the women to have their hymen 'repaired' for the boob jobs and for genital reconstruction etc for people who want to change sexes, it is on topic because ALL are a waste of taxpayers money, but you have just zoomed on the one surgery, when the NHS is being used and at a greater cost with the other two mentioned


You make it sound so frivolous. It's not like people wake up one day, look at their **** and think 'I'm bored of this thing'.

It usually involved years of misery and lack of identity, much counselling, a commitment spent to living as a woman and many painful surgeries.
#19
FilthAndFurry
Apparently the majority are Muslim women, so in that context a woman's virginity might be very important, possibly life-threateningly so. In that instance it seems a necessary evil.Other cosmetic surgery can be part of the treatment for certain forms of depression. As a society we place a premium on certain physical aspects and I'm sure it can be hard for a woman who is perhaps 'underdeveloped' to live with all of these pressures. I'm sure it's easy to say 'deal with it', but if it helps with depression then I'm sure there's a benefit there.It's not like gastric band surgery where they could change their diet on their own and get similar results.

Sorry F&F but the hymen make not break for many different reasons. Or there may not be a show of blood. Education is the way forward, rather than pandering to the lack of it.

This is something that I find just as worrying and will it do nothing to assist normal people to access decent healthcare.
Wait for treatment unless you pay
banned#20
start charging people when they miss a GPs / hospital appointment without cancelling it!

Outpatient appointment no-shows cost hospitals £600m a year
#21
FilthAndFurry
Apparently the majority are Muslim women, so in that context a woman's virginity might be very important, possibly life-threateningly so. In that instance it seems a necessary evil.

Other cosmetic surgery can be part of the treatment for certain forms of depression. As a society we place a premium on certain physical aspects and I'm sure it can be hard for a woman who is perhaps 'underdeveloped' to live with all of these pressures. I'm sure it's easy to say 'deal with it', but if it helps with depression then I'm sure there's a benefit there.

It's not like gastric band surgery where they could change their diet on their own and get similar results.


According to the Daily Express it says the majority are Muslims. This is like taking the word of Labour on the current situation of the country. How can you trust a paper who are bordering on a Fascist View and biasness throughout.
banned#22
FilthAndFurry
[You make it sound so frivolous. It's not like people wake up one day, look at their **** and think 'I'm bored of this thing'.It usually involved years of misery and lack of identity, much counselling, a commitment spent to living as a woman and many painful surgeries.

Couldn't agree more. I couldn't think of anything worse and comparing it to someone who want's to hide the fact she's probably slept about is pretty calous.

On your other point reagrding your pet wind up about fat people, if you want to go down that road, then maybe we should cancel help for those who'd caught sexually transmitted diseases, or lung cancer. After all, they generally really do have a choice, but some over weight people genuinely can't help the fact their metabailsm is nuked or physically can't help themselves when near food!
banned#23
strike
[According to the Daily Express it says the majority are Muslims. This is like taking the word of Labour on the current situation of the country. How can you trust a paper who are bordering on a Fascist View and biasness throughout.

Like I said in the OP, the story was in the Metro. I'm guessing that is now going to be labelled a BNP newspaper now also?

Instead of being dismissive because the link shown is the Daily Express (google will show you its mentioned in lots of papers), why not address the topic at hand and stop thread spoling.
#24
FilthAndFurry
Apparently the majority are Muslim women, so in that context a woman's virginity might be very important, possibly life-threateningly so. In that instance it seems a necessary evil.Other cosmetic surgery can be part of the treatment for certain forms of depression. As a society we place a premium on certain physical aspects and I'm sure it can be hard for a woman who is perhaps 'underdeveloped' to live with all of these pressures. I'm sure it's easy to say 'deal with it', but if it helps with depression then I'm sure there's a benefit there.It's not like gastric band surgery where they could change their diet on their own and get similar results.

Ahh you hit the nail on the head 'AS A SOCIETY' when you speak about women being underdeveloped and having society pressures for a physical aspect, but you cannot comprehend other societys, bit of a biased view point filth
banned#25
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[mod][Moderator]#26
In the case of rape/child abuse victims who want to have it done then it should be funded by the nhs, as should cosmetic surgery for children who have issues such as ears that stick out, and obviously accident/burns victims should have access to cosmetic surgery on the NHS, but anyone who wants to have elective surgery that is purely for cosmetic reasons to enhance features etc should have to pay to go privately.
I had my nose fixed on the nhs ( but it had been broken by a drunken patient in a & e late one Friday night so feel that I could justify that ).

There are lots of ways money could be saved / made in the NHS, and tbh rather than worrying about a small amount of hymen repair ops carried out per year, I would be more worried/concerned
about the proposed decimation of it by the current govt.
#27
Lilly_White
FilthAndFurry
Apparently the majority are Muslim women, so in that context a woman's virginity might be very important, possibly life-threateningly so. In that instance it seems a necessary evil.Other cosmetic surgery can be part of the treatment for certain forms of depression. As a society we place a premium on certain physical aspects and I'm sure it can be hard for a woman who is perhaps 'underdeveloped' to live with all of these pressures. I'm sure it's easy to say 'deal with it', but if it helps with depression then I'm sure there's a benefit there.It's not like gastric band surgery where they could change their diet on their own and get similar results.
Ahh you hit the nail on the head 'AS A SOCIETY' when you speak about women being underdeveloped and having society pressures for a physical aspect, but you cannot comprehend other societys, bit of a biased view point filth

If you cant see that this is just gender based twiddle twaddle I feel so sorry for you. Can you imagine a man having to undergo an inspection routine to see if he is a fit member of society. Pleeease stop for a minute and at least think about the points that you so happily absorb without question.
#28
WoolyM
Lilly_White
FilthAndFurry
Apparently the majority are Muslim women, so in that context a woman's virginity might be very important, possibly life-threateningly so. In that instance it seems a necessary evil.Other cosmetic surgery can be part of the treatment for certain forms of depression. As a society we place a premium on certain physical aspects and I'm sure it can be hard for a woman who is perhaps 'underdeveloped' to live with all of these pressures. I'm sure it's easy to say 'deal with it', but if it helps with depression then I'm sure there's a benefit there.It's not like gastric band surgery where they could change their diet on their own and get similar results.
Ahh you hit the nail on the head 'AS A SOCIETY' when you speak about women being underdeveloped and having society pressures for a physical aspect, but you cannot comprehend other societys, bit of a biased view point filth
If you cant see that this is just gender based twiddle twaddle I feel so sorry for you. Can you imagine a man having to undergo an inspection routine to see if he is a fit member of society. Pleeease stop for a minute and at least think about the points that you so happily absorb without question.

You missed the point and have not taken the time to read my previous posts. Let me clarify for you once again...... This is their way of thinking and a waste of tax payers money. The SAME as women who have the thinking that their boobs jobs make them fit into society AGAIN a waste of tax payers money. If we are talking about costs I am sure the boob jobs are costing a lot more, as a tax payer i don't want to pay for either
#29
Lilly_White
WoolyM
Lilly_White
FilthAndFurry
Apparently the majority are Muslim women, so in that context a woman's virginity might be very important, possibly life-threateningly so. In that instance it seems a necessary evil.Other cosmetic surgery can be part of the treatment for certain forms of depression. As a society we place a premium on certain physical aspects and I'm sure it can be hard for a woman who is perhaps 'underdeveloped' to live with all of these pressures. I'm sure it's easy to say 'deal with it', but if it helps with depression then I'm sure there's a benefit there.It's not like gastric band surgery where they could change their diet on their own and get similar results.
Ahh you hit the nail on the head 'AS A SOCIETY' when you speak about women being underdeveloped and having society pressures for a physical aspect, but you cannot comprehend other societys, bit of a biased view point filth
If you cant see that this is just gender based twiddle twaddle I feel so sorry for you. Can you imagine a man having to undergo an inspection routine to see if he is a fit member of society. Pleeease stop for a minute and at least think about the points that you so happily absorb without question.
You missed the point and have not taken the time to read my previous posts. Let me clarify for you once again...... This is their way of thinking and a waste of tax payers money. The SAME as women who have the thinking that their boobs jobs make them fit into society AGAIN a waste of tax payers money. If we are talking about costs I am sure the boob jobs are costing a lot more, as a tax payer i don't want to pay for either

Oh Ok then. Personally I feel that there is a need for comestic surgery in certain areas such as burns recovery or suchlike. But I dont think the NHS should be used for any sort of enhancement surgery that is more for personal reasons. Personal choices should be funded from the personal pocket.
[helper]#30
Its pretty niave to believe anything printed in the Express/Mail/Metro/Standard and any of the red tops - even the broadsheets get lazy and print crap.

Not sure why you're trying to be the new "Boothy" Guv :p

The underlying principle of the NHS is that its free at the point of care - even the new govt have shied away from charging drunks for their A & E treatment partly because of this principle.
#31


I expected better than that from you Guv really, Daily Express? really?

Utterly ignorant to Islamic traditions etc?

Disappointing.
banned#32
gari189
Its pretty niave to believe anything printed in the Express/Mail/Metro/Standard and any of the red tops - even the broadsheets get lazy and print crap.Not sure why you're trying to be the new "Boothy" Guv :pThe underlying principle of the NHS is that its free at the point of care - even the new govt have shied away from charging drunks for their A & E treatment partly because of this principle.

There have already been examples where doctors have turned away smokers for example, because their condition is self inflicted. I can't honestly think of a more self inflicted illness than agreeing to sex and having a hymen snapped.

As to where it's published, why should it matter as long as it isn't false? Is that what you are trying to say? OK... so what newspapers would be aceptable for you for future reference? (I'll make a note!)


schizoboy
I expected better than that from you Guv really, Daily Express? really?Utterly ignorant to Islamic traditions etc?Disappointing.

WTF? Are you claiming its an Islamic tradition to have a Hymen-plasty? What's wrong with the tradition of no sex before marriage? And as Wooly has stated, maybe a better education would be a more suitable solution? It doesn't matter if its broken.. it happens. If its because the woman has been sleeping around, then frankly she should have considered that in the first place.

I'll ignore the "Daily Express" and "Utterly Ignorant" remarks, since the former isn't relivant and the latter is something I could level at yourself given the "Islamic Traditions" comment it preceded.

So yes, it is dissapointing that you offered no input on this waste of NHS resources.
#33
guv
FilthAndFurry
[You make it sound so frivolous. It's not like people wake up one day, look at their **** and think 'I'm bored of this thing'.It usually involved years of misery and lack of identity, much counselling, a commitment spent to living as a woman and many painful surgeries.
Couldn't agree more. I couldn't think of anything worse and comparing it to someone who want's to hide the fact she's probably slept about is pretty calous.On your other point reagrding your pet wind up about fat people, if you want to go down that road, then maybe we should cancel help for those who'd caught sexually transmitted diseases, or lung cancer. After all, they generally really do have a choice, but some over weight people genuinely can't help the fact their metabailsm is nuked or physically can't help themselves when near food!
Maybe they are contributing to assiting the NHS Just sayin - but not advocating :)


csiman
start charging people when they miss a GPs / hospital appointment without cancelling it!Outpatient appointment no-shows cost hospitals £600m a year
I sort of agree with this but it would need to be watertight to work. I was once challenged that I had not attended a hospital appointment when in fact I had never received any notification of it. If there is a foolprooof way of making this work maybe it may be an effective route for the benefit of everyone.
banned#34
WoolyM
guv
FilthAndFurry
[You make it sound so frivolous. It's not like people wake up one day, look at their **** and think 'I'm bored of this thing'.It usually involved years of misery and lack of identity, much counselling, a commitment spent to living as a woman and many painful surgeries.
Couldn't agree more. I couldn't think of anything worse and comparing it to someone who want's to hide the fact she's probably slept about is pretty calous.On your other point reagrding your pet wind up about fat people, if you want to go down that road, then maybe we should cancel help for those who'd caught sexually transmitted diseases, or lung cancer. After all, they generally really do have a choice, but some over weight people genuinely can't help the fact their metabailsm is nuked or physically can't help themselves when near food!

Maybe they are contributing to assiting the NHS Just sayin - but not advocating :)


csiman
start charging people when they miss a GPs / hospital appointment without cancelling it!Outpatient appointment no-shows cost hospitals £600m a year

I sort of agree with this but it would need to be watertight to work. I was once challenged that I had not attended a hospital appointment when in fact I had never received any notification of it. If there is a foolprooof way of making this work maybe it may be an effective route for the benefit of everyone.

yes, I take your point. Maybe they should change the system so you have to confirm that you will be attending and then removed from the list if you dont within say a week of the consultation. Once confirmed and you still fail to attend without prior cancellation, then you get fined and shoved to the bottom of the waiting list again.
[mod][Moderator]#35
csiman
WoolyM
guv
FilthAndFurry
[You make it sound so frivolous. It's not like people wake up one day, look at their **** and think 'I'm bored of this thing'.It usually involved years of misery and lack of identity, much counselling, a commitment spent to living as a woman and many painful surgeries.
Couldn't agree more. I couldn't think of anything worse and comparing it to someone who want's to hide the fact she's probably slept about is pretty calous.On your other point reagrding your pet wind up about fat people, if you want to go down that road, then maybe we should cancel help for those who'd caught sexually transmitted diseases, or lung cancer. After all, they generally really do have a choice, but some over weight people genuinely can't help the fact their metabailsm is nuked or physically can't help themselves when near food!
Maybe they are contributing to assiting the NHS Just sayin - but not advocating :)
csiman
start charging people when they miss a GPs / hospital appointment without cancelling it!Outpatient appointment no-shows cost hospitals £600m a year
I sort of agree with this but it would need to be watertight to work. I was once challenged that I had not attended a hospital appointment when in fact I had never received any notification of it. If there is a foolprooof way of making this work maybe it may be an effective route for the benefit of everyone.
yes, I take your point. Maybe they should change the system so you have to confirm that you will be attending and then removed from the list if you dont within say a week of the consultation. Once confirmed and you still fail to attend without prior cancellation, then you get fined and shoved to the bottom of the waiting list again.


We already have that system where I live, a week exactly before you attend a op appt you get a recorded message phonecall that you have to respond to by inputting dob etc, then you have to confirm attendance or non attendance, if you say you are not attending you are then put through to someone to say why not and remake the appt if they can, you cannot use missing the phonecall as an excuse as the phone rings every 20 mins until picked up, if you then miss an appt after confirming you will attend, you will receive a letter taking you off the list, with a number to contact if you feel you have been unfairly removed.
Seems to work well here
#36
Before anyone jumps on the fact that the majority are Muslim women, they need to realise that attitudes will not change overnight. There is a world of difference between 'sleeping around' and losing one's virginity in a loving relationship which then breaks down. If the lady happens to be a Muslim would you then condemn her to a lifetime of being alone whilst she waits for a man (and his family) who is prepared to accept her? We do not live in a perfect world.
banned#37
Turquoise
Before anyone jumps on the fact that the majority are Muslim women, they need to realise that attitudes will not change overnight. There is a world of difference between 'sleeping around' and losing one's virginity in a loving relationship which then breaks down. If the lady happens to be a Muslim would you then condemn her to a lifetime of being alone whilst she waits for a man (and his family) who is prepared to accept her? We do not live in a perfect world.

Erm....... So why would a man accept her because her hyman has been repaired? WTF is the point? 2 Questions. Is she building her marriage (assuming thats the reason) around a lie? If the man (and his family) knows he's not the first, why the hell will repairing a peice of skin make any difference?

OK, I can hear you jump and and down and say "it's important to them", so fair enough.... pay to get it done. It shouldnt be allowed to be done on the NHS. If she choses or her husband demands its done.... then go private. NHS is health care. This has zero to do with health care.
#38
I agree with Guv here, why would someone who has deliberately gone and had sex with a man, have their hymen repaired on the NHS. I couldn't give a flying duck if it will make their husband happy, tell him the truth and get it over with. The NHS is the national health service, not national cosmetic service.

My views also go beyond hymens, any form of cosmetic which is for improving self satisfaction should be paid for including boob jobs, tummy tucks. Also gastric bands should only be on the NHS in severe consequences, anyone can now sit on their backside and eat themself into a deathbed then get the nhs to give you a band, How about they stop eating and exercise...

There are things about me I would change in an ideal world but no once can be perfect, if you really want bigger boobs or to be slimmer then pay for it yourself and stop relying on the nhs.
banned#39
faevilangel
I agree with Guv here.

To be honest, I dont think anyone has disagreed. Obviously some have poked their oars in because they saw the word "Muslim" mentioned in the article and go for the thread spoil. Obviously my views on this apply equally to those "non muslims" involved.

However, some cosmetic surgery should be allowed. Would you want kids walking about with cleft pallete for example? Just like with dentistry, cosmetic is not free for kids... unless its regarded as an issue. I think the same should apply to the body also. I'm obviously not talking about designer jobs here! but it a womens boobs are different sizes, or so big it causes back ache, then I really dont have a problem. I'd obviously not support willy enlargement. (Sorry byker!) :p
#40
guv
faevilangel
I agree with Guv here.


To be honest, I dont think anyone has disagreed. Obviously some have poked their oars in because they saw the word "Muslim" mentioned in the article and go for the thread spoil. Obviously my views on this apply equally to those "non muslims" involved.

However, some cosmetic surgery should be allowed. Would you want kids walking about with cleft pallete for example? Just like with dentistry, cosmetic is not free for kids... unless its regarded as an issue. I think the same should apply to the body also. I'm obviously not talking about designer jobs here! but it a womens boobs are different sizes, or so big it causes back ache, then I really dont have a problem. I'd obviously not support willy enlargement. (Sorry byker!) :p


I said "which is for improving self satisfaction" so repairing a deformation or taking breasts down a few sizes would be fair, but to enlarge boobs and have a face lift should be paid for.

Our NHS needs to stop giving and start charging people for stuff that is not essential....We have to pay for dentistry so why not a hymen repair?

Edited By: faevilangel on Aug 03, 2010 12:43: .

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