How would you feel if you child only got accepted into a 'satisfactory' schooll?

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  Lefty1 year, 1 month ago2 Likes #21Show comment toolsReply

  Jetpac

  When was the last OFSTED inspection?Regardless.. Satisfactory, Good, Outstanding... i see it time and time again, if the parents put in the effort into creating a learning ethos outside of school your kids will go far.Some of my top students currently came out of schools that were satisfactory and had dipped into special measures.

  
  
  As someone with 10 years teaching and leadership experience in primary education, i have ro agree. Go and visit the school, talk to the parents, and if you can, the children that go there. Don't make your mind up based on Ofsted ratings, they only base their judgements these days on SATS scores, and that's grossly unfair for schools that do wonders in areas with mixed intake or with social deprivation.
  
  In my experience, a child from a loving and supportive family who encourage their child to do well, and work with the school, tend to do well whichever school they attend. Some of the best teachers i've ever come across worked in 'failing' schools.
  

  
  Edited By: Lefty on Apr 24, 2012 23:19
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  fanpages1 year, 1 month ago3 Likes #22Show comment toolsReply

  Lefty

  As someone with 10 years teaching and leadership experience in primary education, i have ro agree. Go and visit the school, talkimg to the parents and if you can, children that go there. Don't make your mind up based on Ofsted ratings, they only base their judgements these days on SATS scores, and that's grossly unfair for schools that do wonders in areas with mixed intake or with social deprivation.

  
  
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  Jetpac1 year, 1 month ago2 Likes #23Show comment toolsReply

  Furthermore there is FAR too much emphasis on what makes a a Good school etc. The current head of OFSTED doesn't have a bloody clue and the minister for education seems like has never set foot in any educational establishment apart from ridiculously expensive private school from the mid 20th century.
  
  League tables were one of the worst things to ever happen to the school system in the UK as parents more often than not judge schools on results and whether they are 'Good' or 'Outstanding' or whatever, rather than what is actually best for their children and their needs etc.
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  Lefty1 year, 1 month ago1 Like #24Show comment toolsReply

  fanpages

  Lefty

  As someone with 10 years teaching and leadership experience in primary education, i have ro agree. Go and visit the school, talkimg to the parents and if you can, children that go there. Don't make your mind up based on Ofsted ratings, they only base their judgements these days on SATS scores, and that's grossly unfair for schools that do wonders in areas with mixed intake or with social deprivation.

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  Edited By: Lefty on Apr 24, 2012 23:22
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  Plum1 year, 1 month ago #25Show comment toolsReply

  I think it's disgusting that any child should have to go to a "satisfactory" school. Perhaps if we spent more money on our schools than we do blowing schools etc up in other countries all our children could go to "great" schools in our local communities.
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  Jetpac1 year, 1 month ago #26Show comment toolsReply

  Lefty

  
  As someone with 10 years teaching and leadership experience in primary education, i have ro agree. Go and visit the school, talk to the parents, and if you can, the children that go there. Don't make your mind up based on Ofsted ratings, they only base their judgements these days on SATS scores, and that's grossly unfair for schools that do wonders in areas with mixed intake or with social deprivation.
  

  
  
  Spot on.
  I teach in one of the most deprived areas in the country in a school with a vastly different demographic to anywhere i have been before.
  We have just had OFSTED in.. 3 of the inspectors had only ever taught in private schools. We eventually were classed as good... but after the first day we were heading to unsatisfactory because the inspectors did not understand the demographic of the school, and nor did they take notice of the background of the kids there.
  
  We almost certainly wont make our maths target for the year as it is based on some ridiculous numbers including some ridiculous FFT stuff. (We have a large student turnover, Roma children etc) Also a SIGNIFICANTLY lower than average number of students coming into year 7 with level 4 or above in english or maths. oh and 50% of the kids are English as an additional language.
  
  Yet we need to fit the same round hole as every other secondary in the country when clearly we are a square peg.
  But i have never seen a more committed group of teachers working with these kids and getting amazking results.
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  lumoruk1 year, 1 month ago2 Likes #27Show comment toolsReply

  I would double my efforts at teaching them at home...education doesn't stop at the school gates.
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  Jetpac1 year, 1 month ago #28Show comment toolsReply

  Plum

  I think it's disgusting that any child should have to go to a "satisfactory" school. Perhaps if we spent more money on our schools than we do blowing schools etc up in other countries all our children could go to "great" schools in our local communities.

  
  
  Its not disgusting.
  It is the 'Grading System' that is flawed... unfortunately the sad case is that if you are not in the education world so to speak as is the case with many parents and the majority of the public... they just dont understand and unfortunately never will... it will always be that school only has a 35% pass rate at GCSE so it is terrible... regardless of what that 35% ACTUALLY represents.
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  Jetpac1 year, 1 month ago2 Likes #29Show comment toolsReply

  lumoruk

  I would double my efforts at teaching them at home...education doesn't stop at the school gates.

  
  
  I wish all parents would do this.
  
  Seriously i cannto say it enough.. the difference between the attainment, ability, attitude and skills of a child whos parent takes an interest in their schooling (you dont have to teach them anything! just take an interest and make sure they know learning is important) and those who dont is so dramatic it is unreal.
  
  I would go as far as saying only a tiny percentage of the most successful students have parents who take little interest in their schooling.. whereas it is the complete opposite at the other end with the underachieving students.
  
  But back to the OP.... i wouldn't be upset, I would actually go and check out the school and see how you can facilitate your child's learning alongside the schools current direction, you will put your son in an amazing position.
  

  
  Edited By: Jetpac on Apr 24, 2012 23:36
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  Lefty1 year, 1 month ago #30Show comment toolsReply

  Jetpac

  lumoruk

  I would double my efforts at teaching them at home...education doesn't stop at the school gates.

  I wish all parents would do this.Seriously i cannto say it enough.. the difference between the attainment, ability, attitude and skills of a child whos parent takes an interest in their schooling (you dont have to teach them anything! just take an interest and make sure they know learning is important) and those who dont is so dramatic it is unreal.I would go as far as saying only a tiny percentage of the most successful students have parents who take little interest in their schooling.. whereas it is the complete opposite at the other end with the underachieving students.

  
  
  The parental effect is actually much more influential than that of the school. Not surprising that the outstanding schools are often in areas with supportive parents who work with their child as partners in the education process.
  
  https://www.education.gov.uk/publications/standard/publicationdetail/page1/RR433 charles de forges, a very wise man indeed.
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  shopstilldrops1 year, 1 month ago #31Show comment toolsReply

  Jetpac

  lumoruk

  I would double my efforts at teaching them at home...education doesn't stop at the school gates.

  
  
  I wish all parents would do this.
  
  Seriously i cannto say it enough.. the difference between the attainment, ability, attitude and skills of a child whos parent takes an interest in their schooling (you dont have to teach them anything! just take an interest and make sure they know learning is important) and those who dont is so dramatic it is unreal.
  
  I would go as far as saying only a tiny percentage of the most successful students have parents who take little interest in their schooling.. whereas it is the complete opposite at the other end with the underachieving students.
  
  But back to the OP.... i wouldn't be upset, I would actually go and check out the school and see how you can facilitate your child's learning alongside the schools current direction, you will put your son in an amazing position.
  

  
  
  I agree, I was really shocked when my son had two friends for tea a while back , they all brought there reading wallets in and as i was haging them up on the hallway i had a peeders k .......omg there was work in there from a month ago !!!!............Mind you both of these kids have million pound houses on the beach BUT go to childminders every day !!
  
  I can say i may not have a million pound house but i am there to collect my son also his honework is always on time , plus he has moved to top group for spelling , maths and reading ......so well proud :)
  
  plus he's an ace footballer , won 9-1 this week ........oh so proud :D
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  dataload1 year, 1 month ago #32Show comment toolsReply

  hopefully he'll learn how to spell "school" and then he teach you
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  juiceblaster1 year, 1 month ago1 Like #33Show comment toolsReply

  My daughter attended a primary school that was in special measures, she is in college now studying for her A levels after leaving high school with 17 GCSE. Ultimately a lot is down to the individual child my daughter was and still is very studious. However I did appeal for my youngest (and won)as I didn't want him to attend the same school. Having said that he now attends the top rated school in the area, his SATs grades are excellent for his age but........there are no class assemblys, no christmas plays, no school fairs and very few school trips. There is good and bad in every school.
  Lodge an appeal, get your child on a waiting list for a school of your choice but you may find that the school place you have been given is perfectly adequate, give it a chance.
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  Inactive1 year, 1 month ago #34Show comment toolsReply

  juiceblaster

  My daughter attended a primary school that was in special measures, she is in college now studying for her A levels after leaving high school with 17 GCSE. Ultimately a lot is down to the individual child my daughter was and still is very studious. However I did appeal for my youngest (and won)as I didn't want him to attend the same school. Having said that he now attends the top rated school in the area, his SATs grades are excellent for his age but........there are no class assemblys, no christmas plays, no school fairs and very few school trips. There is good and bad in every school.
  Lodge an appeal, get your child on a waiting list for a school of your choice but you may find that the school place you have been given is perfectly adequate, give it a chance.

  
  
  
  I would see that as a good thing, there is very little educational benefit in any of them.
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  loulou111 year, 1 month ago #35Show comment toolsReply

  Schools weren't subject to Ofsted years ago and there were sucess stories from every school in my home town, along with failures from each and every one too.
  
  Parenting is more important IMO and that will help or hinder your child more than an Ofsted report.
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  dimebars1 year, 1 month ago #36Show comment toolsReply

  OP - in laughing at you. Hard.
  
  Ha ha
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  CrazyHorses1 year, 1 month ago #37Show comment toolsReply

  Back in Leigh on sea there is a school that everyone thought was THE best primary school. It was a good school. Sadly, parents made it into a huge snobbery issue and house prices rocketed in the catchement area, some a ten grand increase.
  
  The first shockwave was when the boundary was changed leaving parents who paid over the odd for their houses to be in catchement, were now suddenly out of catchement!
  
  Then there came a report which revealed the majority of the pupils attending the school were also receiving private tuition at home. Kumon etc.
  
  So although the school had good results there was a strong element of extra curricular coaching.
  
  Think about distance to get to school and where their friends are most likely to live. As they make friends it will be a lot easier if you are close by than having to constantly drive to drop your child off.
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  Paddy_o_furniture1 year, 1 month ago #38Show comment toolsReply

  dcx_badass

  We're not in America wtf is with all this high school crap.

  
  The three tier system still exists in parts of North Tyneside (not far from you). Whitley Bay has a High School.
  http://www.whitleybayhighschool.org/
  http://www.monkseaton.org.uk/Pages/Home.aspx (Monkseaton High School)
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  sancho19831 year, 1 month ago1 Like #39Show comment toolsReply

  We have 3 primary schools very close to us. All graded a 3 in their last inspections, one of them was a 4, the other was a 2. It all doesn't mean much tbh.
  
  We plan on going to see them all and decide which one our daughter will be happiest in.
  
  Having recently been through an ofsted inspection, and got a 1, it is definitely nothing more than a box ticking exercise
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  csiman1 year, 1 month ago1 Like #40Show comment toolsReply

  Lefty

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  Lefty

  As someone with 10 years teaching and leadership experience in primary education, i have ro agree. Go and visit the school, talkimg to the parents and if you can, children that go there. Don't make your mind up based on Ofsted ratings, they only base their judgements these days on SATS scores, and that's grossly unfair for schools that do wonders in areas with mixed intake or with social deprivation.

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  No you must not! Typing on an Ipad is not easy fp, so button it.
  

  
  Is proof-reading on an Ipad difficult as well? :p
  

  
  Edited By: csiman on Apr 25, 2012 08:19

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