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So I am in the group that thinks BD is pointless, useless, overpriced and not needed. A semi- decent internet connection and half a brain can rig you up a network capable of streaming pretty much a… Read More
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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
So I am in the group that thinks BD is pointless, useless, overpriced and not needed.

A semi- decent internet connection and half a brain can rig you up a network capable of streaming pretty much anything films, tv, music, pictures, internet, radio etc etc etc to a decent sized TV.

A decent box (usually less than the cost of a BD machine) can output full 1080 HD via HDMI. (think 360, popcorn hour, PS3 although cost is usually more)

VM, SKY and a number of smaller outfits all offer video / music / films on demand and new releases in HD for a fraction of the cost of a BD, OK you can only watch it continuously for 24 hours but I can personally count on one hand the numbers of films that good I would sit through and watch them more than once and if I do its usually a good couple of years apart so I can afford to spread the cost of rental which is instant, I don't even have to do anything but lift my arm to point it at the box and even then if I moved the coffee table that part would become unnecessary.

Not to mention I don't have the clutter of BD in the corner of the room as I do standard DVDs

You can even rent / stream full HD over xbox and PS3 and there are many people who download content, or watch it over iplayer, skyplayer etc which again can be set up to stream to a TV or VM has iplayer built in.

The long and short of it is I can't believe the big manufacturers didn't see this coming, or maybe they did and it's just the markup on BD and BD players that makes it so expensive.

The future is clearly streaming. I read an article the other day that said 25% of the worlds largest servers are purchased by Google, IBM, Yahoo and Amazon so if they keep getting bigger and better they can load them up with back catalogues of every film / TV show / Album ever made (royalty agreements dependant)

So what I want to know is, is it just me and the people I know that don't see BD as a viable solution to our HD needs or is it a wider audience?

Or do people just not care about HD, I personally get my copies of Damages, Prison Break and Lost from America so I can have the HD versions so HD is the way forward for me and super widescreen TV eventually.

Open for debate.
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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
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banned#1
I don't think the future is streaming, but do think it'll be flash cards and the like.

I bought a HD-dvd drive because it was £20, and a blu-ray drive for about £60 because I was hooked on HD.

Why don't I download? Well I used to download SD episodes of Lost, 24 etc, and that was OK, however, HD just takes far too long on 2meg broadband - especially via torrents, so I'd rather go and pick up a bluray in some cases.

However, the 'disc' is now pointless - flash cards/write once usb sticks will be the way forward.
#2
If you want to live in a world where you don't own any of your content, your rights to access it can be taken away at any time, where a hard disk failure can wipe out your whole movie collection, or in the case of streaming where you have to sit through ads before streaming will commence and being able to receive content requires a reliable + quick internet connection then you are right, digital distribution ftw.

Personally I like Physical media, it's something that I can hold in my hand and say "that's mine" and short of thievery no-one can take that away from me.
#3
vibeone
I don't think the future is streaming, but do think it'll be flash cards and the like.

I bought a HD-dvd drive because it was £20, and a blu-ray drive for about £60 because I was hooked on HD.

Why don't I download? Well I used to download SD episodes of Lost, 24 etc, and that was OK, however, HD just takes far too long on 2meg broadband - especially via torrents, so I'd rather go and pick up a bluray in some cases.

However, the 'disc' is now pointless - flash cards/write once usb sticks will be the way forward.


I like the idea of flash media but I think you just have to look at France to see how far the internet has come since the turn of the millenium

When I was living there it was hard to get a dial up connection put in, this was back in 2002/2003, now if you go to Paris they have 100mb connections for less than what we pay VM for a 20mb connection and this is being trialled all over the world,

The only logic for such massive connections in the home is to provide high volume content on demand.

Personally I like Physical media, it's something that I can hold in my hand and say "that's mine" and short of thievery no-one can take that away from me.


I think this might be a generation thing ( not saying you're old) but my father likes to have something to hold, likes the insert the covers etc even when I tell him I can get it for £5 cheaper on itunes, and I can load his entire collection onto an ipod for use in the car rather than being limited to his 6 CD's, he just doesn't care.
#4
I like HD and Blu Ray, I have sky HD and a Ps3, my blue ray collection is growing slowly as i just pick the films i like best and get it on Blue ray otherwise i just get them on dvd.

Not so keen on streaming stuff, too many problems for me,

I'm guttet that F1 isnt filmed in HD!
#5
ms2005
I think this might be a generation thing ( not saying you're old) but my father likes to have something to hold, likes the insert the covers etc even when I tell him I can get it for £5 cheaper on itunes, and I can load his entire collection onto an ipod for use in the car rather than being limited to his 6 CD's, he just doesn't care.


Late 20's, is that old? :giggle:

No the reason I like physical media, with CD's for example, is that I can take said CD and rip it for an MP3 player/copy it for the car/whatever. Then I get the higher quality of the CD when I want it and the convenience of the MP3 too. Plus, whatever way you cut it most digital formats are lossy, and lossy audio formats just can't do the job on a decent audio system. Same applies to DVD's, Blu-ray etc. The other problem with limiting yourself to just the digital format is that hard disks die, all the time, they lose data, you can't rely on them. So you need a backup strategy, and with the DRM laced in most digital formats you can't do that legally. Making a backup is your legal right under UK copyright law (although there is some debate about this), breaking DRM to do so is illegal.
#6
The infrastructure to support widespread high definition streaming isn't in place and cable isn't readily available. BT have only rolled out 21CN to a small percentage of the country and pushed back enablement dates for many.

A minority can seriously affect an ISPs ability to operate properly, Entanet would be a perfect example.

If the average joe started downloading high definition content on demand a good few ISPs would collapse, more so if the quality was on par with the average Blu-ray movie.

Just my opinion, physical media has a place for a good few years yet at least in our little corner of the world.
#7
Nah, of course it won't die. What are the alterntives? Streaming of HD movies over the interweb for a subscription fee? Because that's basically what Sky is, and failed entirely to kill off DVDs, exactly as Sky+HD will fail to kill off BluRay. I can see an upsurge in online, on-demand streaming harming both markets, but, which would you rather do - boot your noisy PC up, hook it up to the telly, faff about with speaker connections and stuff, download or stream a film using your mouse and after paying some cash over, or just turn the telly on and go to the movie channels?
#8
I prefer to own the actual disc not just downloads i download loads of thing but only buy the good things. BD is awesome so i support it :)
#9
megalomaniac
If you want to live in a world where you don't own any of your content, your rights to access it can be taken away at any time, where a hard disk failure can wipe out your whole movie collection, or in the case of streaming where you have to sit through ads before streaming will commence and being able to receive content requires a reliable + quick internet connection then you are right, digital distribution ftw.

Personally I like Physical media, it's something that I can hold in my hand and say "that's mine" and short of thievery no-one can take that away from me.



Very well put.I feel the same as this person :) But i do download, like i downloaded the SD version of Taken and loved it so i brought it on BD for £20!
#10
dcx_badass
I strongly disagree, I'm 19 and I'm refuse to pay for a 'virtual' item. To the extent that I bought a £100 itunes voucher for £24 18 months ago, and I've only spent £20 of it so far, as it just seems pointless paying for some 1's and 0's and having nothing to say is mine.


I would never pay for music but BD's i would. iTune's is a rip off like Rock BAnd GH DLC. Shuld all be free seiing as you paid so much for the damn item in the first place.
banned#11
dcx_badass
I strongly disagree, I'm 19 and I'm refuse to pay for a 'virtual' item. To the extent that I bought a £100 itunes voucher for £24 18 months ago, and I've only spent £20 of it so far, as it just seems pointless paying for some 1's and 0's and having nothing to say is mine.


CDs are essentially 1s and 0s.

I buy cds, and then put them onto my ipod. It's still 1s and 0s, and I know some audiophiles will say that I'm missing out on something, but my hearings so bad from going to gigs that I probably couldn't hear the difference on the best kit.
banned#12
RuthIess
I would never pay for music but BD's i would. iTune's is a rip off like Rock BAnd GH DLC. Shuld all be free seiing as you paid so much for the damn item in the first place.


What are you talking about? What 'damn item' are you talking about that means you should get the music for free?
#13
FilthAndFurry
What are you talking about? What 'damn item' are you talking about that means you should get the music for free?


A £200 iPod!!!
banned#14
RuthIess
A £200 iPod!!!


So because you pay for the iPod you should get the music for free?
#15
FilthAndFurry
So because you pay for the iPod you should get the music for free?


At that price yes you should!
#16
Simple thing is the buyable content is never going to die as in the consumable media (DVD's HD-Bluray CD etc). Simply because people are always going to want a backup I suppose for me that is, and for the general public because there is still a high percentage of people who can't use a DVD player properly, technophobes still exist.

Anyway my thought is the more memory technology expands and cheaper it becomes to make large size disks like SD cards you can pick them up for what £2-3 for 2Gb. Now we have solid state memory hard drives that are expensive currently in a way. But not if you think of the scale of things. I really think that this will be the next real big format.

Disks especially the HD-DVD ones are really easy to scratch I have found a lot of people who complain about them, I think this is down to packaging but it happens so moving away from CD/DVD/HD/Blu-ray is inveitable. There will be a large online community that will download SD/HD content but with the infastructure of the country this is never going to really take off on unless the way we send data changes (away from cabling, for example Sat input/output in every home, sky has helped this but it still uses partial phone line I believe for some content/information).

I'd say overall people are still going to want to go into the shop and pick up a DVD, me included. I currently have Xbox 360 for my HD films which I really can't see any difference in between my Blu-ray films, apart from the Dark Knight so far, but I believe that is the first film that has been recorded in True HD, apart from Planet Earth, though im sure there are more films that have been.

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#17
RuthIess
At that price yes you should!



I agree, but then again people will buy Ipods for the look name, but i'm guessing you bought a Ipod Touch, which at least that is a good buy.

Wouldn't touch any of there other stuff at full price, competition beats it hands down.

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banned#18
RuthIess
At that price yes you should!


That's completely insane. It's like saying because I've bought a Tesco shopping bag, I should get the food for free.

The iPod is just a storage device for your music. Do you think I should get dvds free because I have a dvd player? How about free money because I have a nice wallet?
#19
FilthAndFurry
That's completely insane. It's like saying because I've bought a Tesco shopping bag, I should get the food for free.

The iPod is just a storage device for your music. Do you think I should get dvds free because I have a dvd player? How about free money because I have a nice wallet?


If you brought a £1000 DVD player then yes as that is over priced just like iPod's.
#20
RuthIess
If you brought a £1000 DVD player then yes as that is over priced just like iPod's.


And if you bought a £200 DVD player?
#21
pghstochaj
And if you bought a £200 DVD player?


No, as it is a fair price for the item, iPod's should be £50-£100, you pay for the name like Adam said.
banned#22
RuthIess
If you brought a £1000 DVD player then yes as that is over priced just like iPod's.


It's not necessarily overpriced. You have a choice whether to purchase something or not. Because you choose to buy something more expensive you shouldn't necessarily get other stuff for free.

Personally, I don't think iPods are overpriced.
banned#23
RuthIess
No, as it is a fair price for the item, iPod's should be £50-£100, you pay for the name like Adam said.


You CHOOSE to pay for the name though. There are cheaper options out there.
#24
FilthAndFurry
You CHOOSE to pay for the name though. There are cheaper options out there.


That's true but i don't listen to music much hence my opinion. :p
#25
RuthIess
No, as it is a fair price for the item, iPod's should be £50-£100, you pay for the name like Adam said.


I believe that ipods are reasonably priced, it's just we're used to rubbish DVD players (or similar) at £20 suggesting that the true price of the ipod is too high. There are so many awful electronic devices out there that don't work, don't do what they say they should, don't last long and look awful. I actually respect that the ipod does what it is supposed to, is well thought out and laid out and works well with so many consumer devices such as cars.

A normal Mondeo is £20k, an Audi might be £40k, should that include free petrol for life? No, you have the choice of either and you either respect the benefits of the Audi or get the Mondeo. If you judge something excessively expensive, don't buy it, it doesn't mean it should include all music for free. A music player at £100 might be comparable to a £160 ipod in many ways, even better in some, but that's where it comes to personal choice.
#26
I have to say I'm genuinely surprised by the number of people who like the solid format.

I'm personally convenience over anything else and a good network can easily support full hd, there is software out there that can, for example you can rip your DVD's to lossless avi then the database will put in your artwork and a description so in theory you could have one large catalogue to browse through of your own movies

http://www.team-mediaportal.com/images/zoom/bluetwo/viewsize/snap014.jpg

Granted at the moment it requires a PC to be on but i think in the future you could make NAS drives capable of supporting such features.

I just can't get over the clutter of having hundreds of DVDs/Cds etc although I do take on board the volatility of HDDs
#27
The future is clearly streaming


Not on my S1 connection or on any bt phone line in my area code as the lines are too old, too much aluminium and too many bad engineers/company policies etc.

Streaming :lol A stable connection would be nicer.


I still have to agree with you though on 99.% of typed
#28
pghstochaj
I believe that ipods are reasonably priced, it's just we're used to rubbish DVD players (or similar) at £20 suggesting that the true price of the ipod is too high. There are so many awful electronic devices out there that don't work, don't do what they say they should, don't last long and look awful. I actually respect that the ipod does what it is supposed to, is well thought out and laid out and works well with so many consumer devices such as cars.

A normal Mondeo is £20k, an Audi might be £40k, should that include free petrol for life? No, you have the choice of either and you either respect the benefits of the Audi or get the Mondeo. If you judge something excessively expensive, don't buy it, it doesn't mean it should include all music for free. A music player at £100 might be comparable to a £160 ipod in many ways, even better in some, but that's where it comes to personal choice.


Hey,

Thats not a normal comparision, i'm comparing an ipod with a sister Sony, Samsung, Creative, product, simple as it is Ipod is overpriced and they break ridiculousy fast, just check ebay, there full of faulty I-pod products. I have fixed several Ipod faults ranging from broken screens to broken inputs (earphones), of course I have fixed other products, don't get me wrong there good there just not the best, along with the Tesco advertising theres is pretty damn brilliant, its a trend and people fall into that category, as I sit here with my Iphone, I hardly use it for music. I have other alternatives that produce higher quality sound.

I would love to waste some money on a high end apple product, but I could do the same with a cheaper PC, yes it wouldn't look as shinney but why do I want to spend the extra money on a brand.

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banned#29
Adam2050
Hey,

Thats not a normal comparision, i'm comparing an ipod with a sister Sony, Samsung, Creative, product, simple as it is Ipod is overpriced and they break ridiculousy fast, just check ebay, there full of faulty I-pod products. I have fixed several Ipod faults ranging from broken screens to broken inputs (earphones), of course I have fixed other products, don't get me wrong there good there just not the best, along with the Tesco advertising theres is pretty damn brilliant, its a trend and people fall into that category, as I sit here with my Iphone, I hardly use it for music. I have other alternatives that produce higher quality sound.

I would love to waste some money on a high end apple product, but I could do the same with a cheaper PC, yes it wouldn't look as shinney but why do I want to spend the extra money on a brand.

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But you're paying for the looks of the product and that's as valid a reason to buy something as anything else.
#30
ms2005
I have to say I'm genuinely surprised by the number of people who like the solid format.

I'm personally convenience over anything else and a good network can easily support full hd, there is software out there that can, for example you can rip your DVD's to lossless avi then the database will put in your artwork and a description so in theory you could have one large catalogue to browse through of your own movies


Granted at the moment it requires a PC to be on but i think in the future you could make NAS drives capable of supporting such features.

I just can't get over the clutter of having hundreds of DVDs/Cds etc although I do take on board the volatility of HDDs


I agree with the clutter.

Blu-ray is still higher quality then any content you can currently download.

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#31
Adam2050
Hey,

Thats not a normal comparision, i'm comparing an ipod with a sister Sony, Samsung, Creative, product, simple as it is Ipod is overpriced and they break ridiculousy fast, just check ebay, there full of faulty I-pod products. I have fixed several Ipod faults ranging from broken screens to broken inputs (earphones), of course I have fixed other products, don't get me wrong there good there just not the best, along with the Tesco advertising theres is pretty damn brilliant, its a trend and people fall into that category, as I sit here with my Iphone, I hardly use it for music. I have other alternatives that produce higher quality sound.

I would love to waste some money on a high end apple product, but I could do the same with a cheaper PC, yes it wouldn't look as shinney but why do I want to spend the extra money on a brand.

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Try plugging any product other than an ipod into most cars, you don't get far. Podcasts...?
#32
FilthAndFurry
But you're paying for the looks of the product and that's as valid a reason to buy something as anything else.


Well thats opinnion.

I personally go for the thing that does the best job.

How much of the time does you Ipod/mp3 player spend in your pocket? I'd say over 70% of the time. Unless your one of these people who loop it on there belt.:thumbsup:

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#33
pghstochaj
Try plugging any product other than an ipod into most cars, you don't get far. Podcasts...?


I do??

I have several mp3 players, AUX is a valid input. But then again companies are getting on the band wagon with Ipod inouts.

Podcasts arn't the be and end all. Said like a true Apple supporter. Not trying to upset you but it's true there a million other ways to get information.

Never really been fussed on them.

I used to love my Archos Jukebox.

Anyway going a bit of topic.

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#34
Adam2050
simple as it is Ipod is overpriced and they break ridiculousy fast, just check ebay, there full of faulty I-pod products.


When iPods are 60% of the market in the UK alone (last time I checked) you're going to find more failures, % wise I doubt it's any different to the likes of Sony etc.. :thumbsup:
#35
megalomaniac
When you're 60% of the market in the UK alone (last time I checked) you're going to find more failures, % wise I doubt it's any different to the likes of Sony etc.. :thumbsup:


I agree. Then again I'd say that was down to good advertising.

Off topic, but look at Xbox 360, not the same comparasion, there only just outselling playstation same thing on ebay for them so many dead units. But thats a totally different issue.

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#36
Adam2050
I do??

I have several mp3 players, AUX is a valid input. But then again companies are getting on the band wagon with Ipod inouts.

Podcasts arn't the be and end all. Said like a true Apple supporter. Not trying to upset you but it's true there a million other ways to get information.

Never really been fussed on them.

I used to love my Archos Jukebox.

Anyway going a bit of topic.

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True Apple supporter? I can't stand Apple, but the Ipod to me is a very clever product. Other ways to get information? Like reading a book? Why bother with your other devices in that case?

Aux in is not a valid input if you like to be able to control your music from the safety of the steering wheel and have a chargiing dock taking the music out directly.

I spent too long buying products which couldn't do half as much as ipods, I saw the light 18 months ago and wouldn't want any other device for what I use it for (not ever thought that other people won't put up with using aux inputs and not having access to the wonder that is podcasts?).
#37
pghstochaj


Aux in is not a valid input if you like to be able to control your music from the safety of the steering wheel and have a chargiing dock taking the music out directly.



Your now assuming I have same capabilities in my car.

You could argue the same with a CD. Unsafe I doubt, lets face it our society of over safety I tend to disagree but then again I hate health and safety.

Unfortunately the CD player I have has SD/AUX-IN/Ipod in but doesn't support Iphone, so I get on with what I can.

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#38
Adam2050
I agree. Then again I'd say that was down to good advertising.

Off topic, but look at Xbox 360, not the same comparasion, there only just outselling playstation same thing on ebay for them so many dead units. But thats a totally different issue.

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Maybe, although the iPod first took off through word of mouth among techy types before the 'cool kids' decided it was the thing to be seen with. It's only more recently, as competitors have caught up, that the Apple marketing engine really kicked in.

360's not really comparable, it has known and serious issues. The lowest failure rate I've seen reported for 360's is 16%, many reports are 30%+. I did the math on that not long ago, even at the lower 16% that means that over 1 million more 360's have failed worldwide than have been sold in the UK, and we're the 3rd largest market.
banned#39
Adam2050
Well thats opinnion.

I personally go for the thing that does the best job.

How much of the time does you Ipod/mp3 player spend in your pocket? I'd say over 70% of the time. Unless your one of these people who loop it on there belt.:thumbsup:

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Part of the job is for it to be well designed and have nice aesthetics. Plus I love the UI, so paying a bit extra makes sense to me.
#40
I am happy to download music films etc as long as i am not paying :P

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