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HUKD is Bias - as long as some moderators remain.

JonnyTwoToes Avatar
banned6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
I have read the COC (Code of Conduct) to ensure I am not in the wrong on this. A Scottish Bloke may well feel the need to block any further entries to this post, which I feel would be wrong as you are only as strong as your subscribers.
We (a scottish bloke and I) have not seen I to I on what he feels is ''trolling" and what I consider to be sharing my (obviously outnumbered) point of view.
Things get heated, and I do appreciate the moderation if it enables us to debate with each other on a more subtle level.
However, what I can't abide is a constant bias to one side of the argument and a cry of "troll" just because someone has an alternative stance on a subject.
That is unfair and unjust.

As long as "A Scottish Bloke" continues to block, ban, and delete messages from folk who wish to share an alternative view, HUKD is suffering.

This is public and NOT through "contact us" as requested because I think it would be healthy to see other members input.
I agree that forums should be moderated but debate is healthy! Bias moderators is not healthy.

Comments welcome.
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banned6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
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banned 4 Likes #1
JTT,

Again you're so misunderstanding of the reasons for my intervention. I'll attempt to highlight once more, the particular points you should bear in mind prior to hitting the submit button.


Trolling, Trolls: Users or groups of users who post inflammatory comments, disrupt normal, on-topic conversations or choose to attack other members because of their views and opinions, attempting to beat them down or demean them. Posts by trollers will be deleted and trolls may be banned from the site.


Racism, Religion, Sexuality, Background: Attacks on a person’s faith, race, colour, sexual preference or social background will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of Admin and Moderators without prior warning to the offenders.


We're more than delighted to see user participation within the forums, however it's not a vehicle for you to attack other members who are only intent on sharing some good news.

Please do bear the above in mind. You've had many posts deleted from this thread, You made many personal attacks on the OP are out of order for the reasons previously explained, carrying this on with other members later on in the thread. You were advised to refrain or get back on topic, but chose to continue with your rants despite the advance warning. As per the Code of Conduct, It would have been much simpler for mods to delete and infract, however we decided to try and guide you through the rules. Next time I'll just action without further reference.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/feedback/a-scottish-bloke/784563
http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/woo-hoo-i-got-an-income-tax-rebate-/783363?view=lastreadpost
1 Like #2
Oh Jonny...


What would David Cameron say about your tantrum?


One has really embarrassed ones self this time hasn't one?


Surely one should remain aloof of when one considers ones self to be superior to others on the forum....quite how you can frequent this forum when there are so many working class members who may sully ones ears with there socialist views is astounding.

Some even claim benefits,the oiks!

Perhaps seek advice from mater and pater next time or ones friends at the club.

Tally Ho!!!





Edited By: boothy on Oct 24, 2010 06:26: Had to shoot a peasant
2 Likes #3
"Debate is healthy"-it certainly is,but when have you ever actually seen a DEBATE thread on here? Ever seen anyone be persuaded round to another point of view by reasoned argument?Ever said "Oh I realise now I maybe need to look at the subject in a different light" Nope-its never happened!

Most "debate" threads are just the same people spouting the same entrenched views and calling anyone who disagrees with them an idiot,even though you cant be an idiot for having an OPINION.

Insulting other members and carrying on childish name calling and personal agendas against other members is pathetic and negates the claim to be having a "debate"

This is a general point btw and not aimed at the op-any thread on politics/racism/religion and ESPECIALLY any mention of people on benefits of any kind brings out the same knee jerk reactions in a very small minority who simply dont realise that they know nothing about the personal circumstances of the people they are attacking and merely demonstrate their own narrow mindedness with blanket views.

So,at least lets stop calling it debate,because by definition,it isnt,its just vile hatred and polarised views that will never change being aimed at sections of society to enable certain people to feel superior to others.

Can anyone point me to a thread where someone CHANGED their opinion on a subject under the weight of a reasoned argument? I doubt it

Edited By: barky on Oct 24, 2010 08:47: //
1 Like #4
http://www.eddiecochran.info/Picture/Record/USA/LP/Promo/GoJohnnyGo_cover_back.jpg
2 Likes #5
Do agree that ascottishbloke needs to take a chill pill!

and i know a lot of members are afraid to say so because of infractions and so on!

Lets just hope admin is keeping an eye on the mod team!
8 Likes #6
ukmonkey
Do agree that ascottishbloke needs to take a chill pill!

and i know a lot of members are afraid to say so because of infractions and so on!

Lets just hope admin is keeping an eye on the mod team!


I disagree with that - I think he does a great job in moderating.
banned 1 Like #7
Don't speak your mind on this forum.
4 Likes #8
Johnny

all this started because you were crying over someone got a rebate, and it angered you because at the moment they do not work, but they used to and it was a muck up that has been sorted out.....a lot of people are getting the rebate which they are entitled to i really cant understand the problem you had/have......

Modern world? A modern world gives a rebate to someone after three years of being unemployed? Get real.
banned 1 Like #9
aScottishBloke
JTT,

Again you're so misunderstanding of the reasons for my intervention. I'll attempt to highlight once more, the particular points you should bear in mind prior to hitting the submit button.


Trolling, Trolls: Users or groups of users who post inflammatory comments, disrupt normal, on-topic conversations or choose to attack other members because of their views and opinions, attempting to beat them down or demean them. Posts by trollers will be deleted and trolls may be banned from the site.


Racism, Religion, Sexuality, Background: Attacks on a person’s faith, race, colour, sexual preference or social background will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of Admin and Moderators without prior warning to the offenders.


We're more than delighted to see user participation within the forums, however it's not a vehicle for you to attack other members who are only intent on sharing some good news.

Please do bear the above in mind. You've had many posts deleted from this thread, You made many personal attacks on the OP are out of order for the reasons previously explained, carrying this on with other members later on in the thread. You were advised to refrain or get back on topic, but chose to continue with your rants despite the advance warning. As per the Code of Conduct, It would have been much simpler for mods to delete and infract, however we decided to try and guide you through the rules. Next time I'll just action without further reference.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/feedback/a-scottish-bloke/784563

http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/woo-hoo-i-got-an-income-tax-rebate-/783363?view=lastreadpost


Not misunderstanding, just asking you to be fair. You can't quote the COC's and then allow unmoderated abuse to continue when it's focused on those that you seem to disagree with.

You jump to conclusions far to quickly. I have read your posts prior to threatening infarctions, and you are not doing a great job in moderating in my opinion. There is no point bringing up the 'self promotion' every time I post a contrary view point to somebody. On that occasion, I made a mistake, you suspended me and I apologised to you when I was reinstated. Why bring it up again? I haven't done any self promoting since.

You then go on to call me a troll? Because I hold a different viewpoint? That really is funny!
I wouldn't mind the fact that you ask me to stay on topic (as that is only fair) but if your suggesting someone is trolling for going off topic then I'm afraid you have a forum full of trolls here. That's the very nature of debate I'm afraid.

Just be fair, that's all I'm asking.
banned 1 Like #10
ilovepink
Johnny

all this started because you were crying over someone got a rebate, and it angered you because at the moment they do not work, but they used to and it was a muck up that has been sorted out.....a lot of people are getting the rebate which they are entitled to i really cant understand the problem you had/have......

Modern world? A modern world gives a rebate to someone after three years of being unemployed? Get real.


Can't remember crying about it to be honest.
banned 3 Likes #11
Ohh JTT, when will you learn? It's not your opinions that are the issue, it's the way you present them.
banned 1 Like #12
barky
"Debate is healthy"-it certainly is,but when have you ever actually seen a DEBATE thread on here? Ever seen anyone be persuaded round to another point of view by reasoned argument?Ever said "Oh I realise now I maybe need to look at the subject in a different light" Nope-its never happened!

Most "debate" threads are just the same people spouting the same entrenched views and calling anyone who disagrees with them an idiot,even though you cant be an idiot for having an OPINION.

Insulting other members and carrying on childish name calling and personal agendas against other members is pathetic and negates the claim to be having a "debate"

This is a general point btw and not aimed at the op-any thread on politics/racism/religion and ESPECIALLY any mention of people on benefits of any kind brings out the same knee jerk reactions in a very small minority who simply dont realise that they know nothing about the personal circumstances of the people they are attacking and merely demonstrate their own narrow mindedness with blanket views.

So,at least lets stop calling it debate,because by definition,it isnt,its just vile hatred and polarised views that will never change being aimed at sections of society to enable certain people to feel superior to others.

Can anyone point me to a thread where someone CHANGED their opinion on a subject under the weight of a reasoned argument? I doubt it


I ran a forum a few years ago in relation to "Psychic Ability" and the fact that I personally thought it was a load of tosh. It's a shame you weren't around then to see the debate people had on a daily basis over many years. A lot of views did change, my own included, through healthy and heated debate.
banned 1 Like #13
master_chief
Ohh JTT, when will you learn? It's not your opinions that are the issue, it's the way you present them.


Explain?
1 Like #14
master_chief
Ohh JTT, when will you learn? It's not your opinions that are the issue, it's the way you present them.


+1
banned 1 Like #15
JonnyTwoToes
master_chief
Ohh JTT, when will you learn? It's not your opinions that are the issue, it's the way you present them.


Explain?


+1
banned 1 Like #16
aScottishBloke
JTT,

Again you're so misunderstanding of the reasons for my intervention. I'll attempt to highlight once more, the particular points you should bear in mind prior to hitting the submit button.


Racism, Religion, Sexuality, Background: Attacks on a person’s faith, race, colour, sexual preference or social background will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of Admin and Moderators without prior warning to the offenders.


I've just noticed you quoted this to me. How very dare you!
Kindly point out when I have ever been discriminatory to anyone based on the above! I have been on the receiving end MANY times of people questioning my sexuality with rude and disgraceful comments, and guess what, yep they went unmoderated.


Edited By: JonnyTwoToes on Oct 24, 2010 10:30: format
1 Like #17
JonnyTwoToes
aScottishBloke
JTT,

Again you're so misunderstanding of the reasons for my intervention. I'll attempt to highlight once more, the particular points you should bear in mind prior to hitting the submit button.


[quote=] Racism, Religion, Sexuality, Background: Attacks on a person’s faith, race, colour, sexual preference or social background will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of Admin and Moderators without prior warning to the offenders. [b]


I've just noticed you quoted this to me. How very dare you!
Kindly point out when I have ever been discriminatory to anyone based on the above! I have been on the receiving end MANY times of people questioning my sexuality with rude and disgraceful comments, and guess what, yep they went unmoderated.
1 Like #18
ilovepink
JonnyTwoToes
aScottishBloke
JTT,

Again you're so misunderstanding of the reasons for my intervention. I'll attempt to highlight once more, the particular points you should bear in mind prior to hitting the submit button.


[quote=] Racism, Religion, Sexuality, Background: Attacks on a person’s faith, race, colour, sexual preference or social background will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of Admin and Moderators without prior warning to the offenders. [b]


I've just noticed you quoted this to me. How very dare you!
Kindly point out when I have ever been discriminatory to anyone based on the above! I have been on the receiving end MANY times of people questioning my sexuality with rude and disgraceful comments, and guess what, yep they went unmoderated.


the social background bit most probably
3 Likes #19
http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/26035/original/obvious_troll.jpg?1257818638
banned 1 Like #20
An attack on a persons social background? Really? Is that what I am being accused of?

Not a comment on society as a whole then? Funny how I'm not allowed to comment on society as I see it, yet others are able to vilify me because of my social background.
1 Like #21
JTT like i said in the now locked (which btw, i have reported and asked why it was locked, no reply yet, nor in the feedback thread) you'll not win; mods win cos mods are right no matter what.
Since the CoD is not black and white, can be interpreted it's never gonna be a clean result.
Best just let it lie, move on, and leave Misc to the folks who enjoy the chat on here.
I visit here once in a while and over the years i have been here, it's always the same, folks disagree, mods come in, rule and one side is unhappy and you can find examples of when you're right and still wrong til ya fingers turn numb but nowt will change........
1 Like #22
magicbeans
http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/26035/original/obvious_troll.jpg?1257818638


MB you crack me right up
banned 1 Like #23
People are allowed to comment on my relationships, my work and my life in general.

8/10 times they don't get punished oO
1 Like #24
JonnyTwoToes
An attack on a persons social background? Really? Is that what I am being accused of?

Not a comment on society as a whole then? Funny how I'm not allowed to comment on society as I see it, yet others are able to vilify me because of my social background.


i was just guessing
2 Likes #25
thanks ILP.... :p forget hardcore debates, i'll go with pics!
banned 1 Like #26
JonnyTwoToes
An attack on a persons social background? Really? Is that what I am being accused of?

Not a comment on society as a whole then? Funny how I'm not allowed to comment on society as I see it, yet others are able to vilify me because of my social background.


+1
3 Likes #27
DLM
People are allowed to comment on my relationships, my work and my life in general.

8/10 times they don't get punished oO


come on, you get away with quite a lot of what you post DLM
[mod] 2 Likes #28
What i never understand is if something winds you up then why not just leave??? Getting upset about a website is a bit extreme for me.
banned 1 Like #29
magicbeans
thanks ILP.... :p forget hardcore debates, i'll go with pics!


Stay on topic! Oh wait, you're allowed to go off topic unmoderated as you disagree with me. Sorry, my bad.

Edited By: JonnyTwoToes on Oct 24, 2010 10:36: spelling
banned 1 Like #30
ilovepink
come on, you get away with quite a lot of what you post DLM


How do you know how many infractions I have? oO
banned 2 Likes #31
DLM
People are allowed to comment on my relationships, my work and my life in general.

8/10 times they don't get punished oO


Jesus this is turning into the "victims" of HUKD sob story thread.

Edited By: master_chief on Oct 24, 2010 10:37: .
banned 1 Like #32
Syzable
What i never understand is if something winds you up then why not just leave??? Getting upset about a website is a bit extreme for me.


I live here :cry:
1 Like #33
master_chief
DLM
People are allowed to comment on my relationships, my work and my life in general.

8/10 times they don't get punished oO


Jesus this is turning into the "victims" of HUKD's sob story thread.


LOL
1 Like #34
Syzable
What i never understand is if something winds you up then why not just leave??? Getting upset about a website is a bit extreme for me.
Hmmm, whilst i agree with that, having left a few times from many sites, it's the feeling of (implied) injustice that folks stick around for. They want to see why they are, in their eyes treated differently to others, and, lets face it, human nature dictates that folks are treated differently.
banned 1 Like #35
master_chief
Jesus this is turning into the "victims" of HUKD's sob story thread.


Do you think you are a troll?
1 Like #36
DLM
ilovepink
come on, you get away with quite a lot of what you post DLM


How do you know how many infractions I have? oO


i dont but i can see comments that dont get deleted
banned 1 Like #37
ilovepink


i dont but i can see comments that dont get deleted


Are you on here 24/7? X)
[mod] 1 Like #38
boydent999
Syzable
What i never understand is if something winds you up then why not just leave??? Getting upset about a website is a bit extreme for me.
Hmmm, whilst i agree with that, having left a few times from many sites, it's the feeling of (implied) injustice that folks stick around for. They want to see why they are, in their eyes treated differently to others, and, lets face it, human nature dictates that folks are treated differently.


I can see why some would i suppose. I'm just not made that way i guess.
banned 1 Like #39
Syzable
What i never understand is if something winds you up then why not just leave??? Getting upset about a website is a bit extreme for me.


The written word will never fully be able to express emotion, but please understand nothing thus far has "upset" me :D
I am simply commenting on what I find interesting. Nothing more.
banned 1 Like #40
Just stick to posting bland, uninteresting points. This place doesn't have the 'components' for anything too thought provoking.

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