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I didnt know children can drink alcohol from the age fo 5 years old!!!!!!!

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Just been reading on the BBC website about a set of guide lines that the government are to bring out to say how much alcohol kids can drink. The article goes on to say that kids CAN drink at home from… Read More
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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
Just been reading on the BBC website about a set of guide lines that the government are to bring out to say how much alcohol kids can drink. The article goes on to say that kids CAN drink at home from the age of 5 years old now!! I cant believe what i just read.

I would NEVER give alcohol to may kids that young. Im just so shocked i guess it might be around 11/12 years old but never 5.

Am i the only one that thinks 5 years old is to young no matter how little you give them or is there anyone here that would give there 5 year old some alcohol to drink

Link here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7805793.stm
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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
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#2
it is idiotic, and i would never give a child of that age alcohol but that has been the law for as long as i can remember.
banned#3
knew that for years, my old man would let me (age 12) on christmas and special occasions, mind you though it was only one glass of bubbly.
#4
I give my kids 7 & 9 the odd sip , no harm but would never give them their own drink .
#5
Nope absolutely not.
#6
I didn't let mine till the age of about 10 and that was wine with lemonade at Christmas. The Italians let their children drink watered down wine with meals from the age of about 5 , and there are less alcohol related problems in teens there because it's not so taboo. They have learnt to respect it as a social thing rather than a lets go and stand on a street corner neck a whole bottle of vodka and start a fight.
#7
My boys have tried it but i would never give them a full proper drink, i would sit and worry to much of the outcome of what would happen to them.
2 Likes #8
I believe it is fairly common in France (and maybe other countries) to give young children watered down wine to drink with meals.

This gives chldren a gradual taste for wine which allows them to slowly drink stronger wine (and other alcolhol) as they get older. It also encourages them to drink sensibly with their family around.

This is better than the stupid situation we have in this country where children tend to be completely banned from drinking alcohol, so as soon as they get hold of any (at a very young age some of them) they have no understanding of how to slowly drink and appreciate alcohol.

So what do they do, they pour it down their throats with no attempt to savour it or enjoy it. Thier only desire is to get smashed as soon as possible.

This gives us the major problem we have now with young kids getting drunk on a regular basis, then getting into fights, causing vandalism, or stealing and driving cars while they are under the influence.
#9
guilbert53
I believe it is fairly common in France (and maybe other countries) to give young children watered down wine to drink with meals.

This gives chldren a gradual taste for wine which allows them to slowly drink stronger wine (and other alcolhol) as they get older. It also encourages them to drink sensibly with their family around.

This is better than the stupid situation we have in this country where children tend to be completely banned from drinking alcohol, so as soon as they get hold of any (at a very young age some of them) they have no understanding of how to slowly drink and appreciate alcohol.

So what do they do, they pour it down their throats with no attempt to savour it or enjoy it. Thier only desire is to get smashed as soon as possible.

This gives us the major problem we have now with young kids getting drunk on a regular basis, then getting into fights, causing vandalism, or stealing and driving cars while they are under the influence.

That's what i said ...kind of lol
1 Like #10
Nothing new there, kids in france, spain etc have drunk watered down wine froma young age for liek forever.

From about age of 7/8 i was always given 1/4 glass of wine with sunday lunch if i wanted it and otherwise apple tiser or shloer.

But we forget also you dont really see the french get legless in pubs and bars way us brits do. Drinking in the rest of europe is a social family event .
Whereas most brits go out fully intending to get legless myself included.
#11
guilbert53
I believe it is fairly common in France (and maybe other countries) to give young children watered down wine to drink with meals.

This gives chldren a gradual taste for wine which allows them to slowly drink stronger wine (and other alcolhol) as they get older. It also encourages them to drink sensibly with their family around.

This is better than the stupid situation we have in this country where children tend to be completely banned from drinking alcohol, so as soon as they get hold of any (at a very young age some of them) they have no understanding of how to slowly drink and appreciate alcohol.

So what do they do, they pour it down their throats with no attempt to savour it or enjoy it. Thier only desire is to get smashed as soon as possible.

This gives us the major problem we have now with young kids getting drunk on a regular basis, then getting into fights, causing vandalism, or stealing and driving cars while they are under the influence.



exactly have some rep , you put it better than me
#12
There is/was a law that stated if the licencee and the parent gave consent then children over 5 could have an alcohilic drink in a pub, as long as they weren't in the bar. Crazy stuff.
#13
queenlush
That's what i said ...kind of lol


Your append was not there when I started to write mine.

By the time I had finished writing mine yours was there.
#14
guilbert53
I believe it is fairly common in France (and maybe other countries) to give young children watered down wine to drink with meals.

This gives chldren a gradual taste for wine which allows them to slowly drink stronger wine (and other alcolhol) as they get older. It also encourages them to drink sensibly with their family around.

This is better than the stupid situation we have in this country where children tend to be completely banned from drinking alcohol, so as soon as they get hold of any (at a very young age some of them) they have no understanding of how to slowly drink and appreciate alcohol.

So what do they do, they pour it down their throats with no attempt to savour it or enjoy it. Thier only desire is to get smashed as soon as possible.

This gives us the major problem we have now with young kids getting drunk on a regular basis, then getting into fights, causing vandalism, or stealing and driving cars while they are under the influence.


I don't think you can just blame alcohol for all the problems youths cause, i didn't have alcohol until my early teens at all and had very little since then, and i am 23 and never been drunk or have more than 2 at a time. It depends a lot more on how these people are brought up. If anything i think the age limit for alcohol should be raised to 21 and tougher punishments for those that buy it for under age kids.

For children to be allowed alcohol from 5 is just ridiculous, any sensible parent would not dream of doing this.
#15
DIVA1977
Nothing new there, kids in france, spain etc have drunk watered down wine froma young age for liek forever.

From about age of 7/8 i was always given 1/4 glass of wine with sunday lunch if i wanted it and otherwise apple tiser or shloer.

But we forget also you dont really see the french get legless in pubs and bars way us brits do. Drinking in the rest of europe is a social family event .
Whereas most brits go out fully intending to get legless myself included.


Don't you think also alchohol isn't as "special" anymore? I used to drool at the thought of a snowball at new year or a Pony if i was feeling brave (anyone remember those?)
#16
For once this is not a case of the "nanny state" and still people complain!

The point of this guideline is simply that - its a a line to guide your decisions by, the line not to cross is to give children under 5 any alcohol.

I think that having an early taster of the methods and effects of alcohol takes away the stigma of it being untouchable, and therefore desirable as kids hit their early teens, just my opinion.
#17
Children can legally drink alcohol at home from the age of five under parental supervision.

This has pretty much always been the case hasn't it? It's not in any way a suggestion that children should be given alcohol from 5 years old!!! I would think it extremely unlikely that any parent would.

Incidentally, I haven't spent all that much time in France and less in Spain but I did live in Italy for 3 years and have holidayed there often and I do not recall seeing Italian children being given watered down wine.
#18
guilbert53
I believe it is fairly common in France (and maybe other countries) to give young children watered down wine to drink with meals.

This gives chldren a gradual taste for wine which allows them to slowly drink stronger wine (and other alcolhol) as they get older. It also encourages them to drink sensibly with their family around.

This is better than the stupid situation we have in this country where children tend to be completely banned from drinking alcohol, so as soon as they get hold of any (at a very young age some of them) they have no understanding of how to slowly drink and appreciate alcohol.

So what do they do, they pour it down their throats with no attempt to savour it or enjoy it. Thier only desire is to get smashed as soon as possible.

This gives us the major problem we have now with young kids getting drunk on a regular basis, then getting into fights, causing vandalism, or stealing and driving cars while they are under the influence.


Good post - repped.

People in this country view alcohol consumption in youths with massive trepidation for the reasons you've alluded to in your post. We withhold it and give it this trophy like status - which only makes kids want to acquire and abuse it more.
#19
chesso
This has pretty much always been the case hasn't it? It's not in any way a suggestion that children should be given alcohol from 5 years old!!! I would think it extremely unlikely that any parent would.

Incidentally, I haven't spent all that much time in France and less in Spain but I did live in Italy for 3 years and have holidayed there often and I do not recall seeing Italian children being given watered down wine.

I grew up in a multi cultural area my parents were Polish and i had Italian freinds, whenever we went to someones house for dinner this is the way it was.
[mod]#20
Couple this with good parenting and your arent breaking the law if you dont offer your children alcohol. It is all about how you interpret and apply the law.
#21
badgerrules

For children to be allowed alcohol from 5 is just ridiculous, any sensible parent would not dream of doing this.


I don't think that anyone is suggesting they get large quantities of alcohol - tiny amounts so that the whole mystique is taken out of it. It's clearly not a major health issue.
#22
Kids in Mediterrainian country are sometimes allowed to drink wine at mealtimes by responsible adults, the problem is I think alcohol is misused over here. I don't drink any kind of alcohol myself, but have no axe to grind with those who use it wisely. I'd never let any child under 5 drink it - that is just plain daft!
#23
queenlush
I The Italians let their children drink watered down wine with meals from the age of about 5.


queenlush
I grew up in a multi cultural area my parents were Polish and i had Italian freinds, whenever we went to someones house for dinner this is the way it was.


I thought you meant the Italians in Italy.
#24
Predikuesi
Kids in Mediterrainian country are sometimes allowed to drink wine at mealtimes by responsible adults, the problem is I think alcohol is misused over here. I don't drink any kind of alcohol myself, but have no axe to grind with those who use it wisely. I'd never let any child under 5 drink it - that is just plain daft!


That's why the guidelines suggest over 5s.
#25
moob
I don't think that anyone is suggesting they get large quantities of alcohol - tiny amounts so that the whole mystique is taken out of it. It's clearly not a major health issue.


Sorry i totally disagree with you, i dont think kids should have a tiny bit until at least 10 years old.

You say give them a tiny bit to take the mystique away, but that might not work because by the time the kids are 12/13 years old they might to try the stronger drink becasue they have gotten bored with the bits you have been giving them & they will go out an find a way to get the stronger stuff.

An while you are at it & want to taken the mystique away why dont you let them try fags & drugs.

IMO they are things that kids shouldnt have drink, fags & drugs
1 Like #26
mrfun1981
Sorry i totally disagree with you, i dont think kids should have a tiny bit until at least 10 years old.

You say give them a tiny bit to take the mystique away, but that might not work because by the time the kids are 12/13 years old they might to try the stronger drink becasue they have gotten bored with the bits you have been giving them & they will go out an find a way to get the stronger stuff.

An while you are at it & want to taken the mystique away why dont you let them try fags & drugs.

IMO they are things that kids shouldnt have drink, fags & drugs


So...why and how have you arrived at the barrier of 10 years old?

I believe that the scientists in the article you linked to have concluded that it is safe to give alcohol to kids from age 5 based on their research, which no doubt arrived at the conclusion that their vital organs can cope with small amounts of alcohol - the emphasis being small. That is why they are giving parents guidelines, so that they know what is considered safe.

The fact this happens on the continent coupled with the fact they have a significantly lesser problem with under age drinking speaks volumes for me, but may have other factors to take into consideration such as lifestyle and cultural differences. IMO, this would take time to make a change in our society's drinking culture, but may prove positive in the future, although not immediately.

Parents understandably have an horrific view on consumption of alcohol due to the underlying problems we face socially in this country.
#27
i think it's fine at 5. No one is going to give a 5 year old a can of lager, it would literally be a sip so that the kid would go "errrrr, that's horrible". As long as they're eating as well, a single sip would have no effect on them at all.
1 Like #28
I had alcohol given to me virtually from birth and gave it to my daughters from birth as well.
Never had any bad effect on any of us, in fact it was most beneficial in certain conditions.






















Not the same recipe nowadays unfortunately:
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#29
My kids drink every weekend, mind they are over 18 ;-) Ho Ho Ho
#30
lol - i knew...5 is mega young!!!! mind you when my brother was 3 he helped himself to a glass of my mums sherry and slept all night - my mum was chuffed. haha
#31
When you are brought up in an environment where alchool is respected and enjoyed as part of a meal, then IMO there is no issue whatsoever. Alchool, in moderation, like most things in life is fine and actually has many beneficial properties. Processed and unhealthy food can make you "fat", but I see plenty of lazy parents that can't be bothered to cook real food and shove chicken nuggets and chips to their kids on the sofa and in front of the telly every day. Drinking alchool at 5 does not make you an alchoolic or irresponsible drinker, if your family has good ethics and don't "believe" in getting pi $$ ed , in drinking to excess for fun and that is cool thing to do to "relax" or whatever...
#32
Bikebarbie
when you are brought up in an environment where alchool is respected and enjoyed as part of a meal, then IMO there is no issue whatsoever. Alchool in moderation like most things in life is fine and actually as many beneficial properties. Processed and unhealthy food can make you "fat" but I see plenty of lazy patents that can't be bothered to cook real food and shove chicken nuggets and chips to their in front of the telly everyday. Drinking alchool at 5 does not make you an alchoolic or irresponsible drinker, if your family has good ethics and don't "believe" in getting pi $$ ed , that drinking to excess is fun and cool thing to do to "relax" or whatever.


LMAO "in moderation" what went wrong with your typo?
#33
we let our 8 year old have a half of a small glass of very lemonade shandy last night, and on christmas day she had a little bucks fizz mixed with pleanty lemonade. i see no harm in that whatsoever. she knows we dont drink much, only bucks fizz on christmas day and a glass or 2 on new years eve. i think if you make a great big deal about them not having it they will just go mad when they are older and do it anyway. i'd rather her realise that she isnt missing out on anything by not making a big deal of it now, thats the way my mam went on with us when we were younger and we hardly touch the stuff now - never seen the attraction!

with something as controversial as this, there will always be people with pleanty ro say on the matter, its up to each individual parent what they think is best for their own child/children.

obviously some parents arent that responsible when they are drinking and may give their children too much - thats wrong, not a tiny little watered down 'taste', but like most thiongs, there is a very fine line between the 2. im my opinion, it all depends on the parents.
#34
I think the odd sip of beer or wine is ok to give to kids - this way you remove the mistique of alchol though I would draw the line at spirits and don't think they should be allowed these until mid teens... we all know if you say no to kids they'll start plotting about how to get some of there own - hence teens hanging around shops waiting for adults to buy it... these are the kids I worry about they're drinking copious amounts of alcohol in an unsupervised way and putting themselves at all kinds of risk... I'd definately rather my kids tried alcohol when supervised by a parent...
1 Like #35
Wildyone67
Yes! My grandad used to make me amd my cousin snowballs at Christmas.

Were any of you hurt on impact?

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