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I felt the response this guy got was ridiculous.

pontylad Avatar
8y, 5m agoPosted 8 years, 5 months ago
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/208931/wanted-air-rifle/

While everyone may not approve of hand guns and so forth, i think the pc brigade style responses this guy got was awful. a .22 air rifle under 12ft p lb is totally legal and easily purchasable from many independant sporting shops, so why he shouldn't be allowed to ask on here is beyond me. saying it comes under weapons is a loose justification since many of the deals for kitchen knives could equally come under this headline and inflict as much damage is not more. under what whim can one decide what can and can't be sold. Its paramount to suggesting not selling a poker table, cause this encourages gambling and could be bad etc etc. anyway, i thought that the matter needed to discussed.
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8y, 5m agoPosted 8 years, 5 months ago
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#1
Proximo got arrested for having pepper spray.

Although those were too PC comments
#2
rayman shouldn't have closed the thread... nearly anything can be a weapon
#3
Ethically as this is a family forum it isn't surprising people objected to the adverts for sports guns, knives and etc.
#4
I agree. I want one myself but thanks to the change in regs i'll probably have to do a 300 mile round trip to get what I want.....

The biggest mockery is, you can't send an air rifle through the post but a crossbow... Perfectly legal.
#5
Shengis;2451802
I agree. I want one myself but thanks to the change in regs i'll probably have to do a 300 mile round trip to get what I want.....


France?
#6
I agree, if it can be bought legally in shops, it should be allowed. But then again, I do understand some people's concerns, the word gun/rifle instills fear in people these days and the bad actions of few have affected many.
Maybe he's like us and got a serious pigeon problem or wants to do some target practice.
So long as he's over 17 it's legal. Sending in the post however would be just plain stupid.
People do complain about the Swiss army knives too so I guess people are at least consistant.
Everyone's got their own opinions, concerns and mine happen to be on the side of the chap wanting to purchase the air rifle. If he was up to no good he'd be a right plonker to advertise wanting one on here, he'd just go to a local shop selling them or worse, go to a naughty boy selling illegal and more dangerous guns.
#7
It was a bit ott considering he was wanting to buy one, meaning only he and the seller would be effected and seeing as he said he was upgrading and the seller would have obviously had one it shouldn't be a problem as it's two people with experience in them.

If he was offering one for sale it's a bit different but he wasn't

Still it was against the rules and the mods rightly closed the thread, but no one else needed to comment on it
#8
Would that involve crossing water by any chance.

:-D
#9
emasu
France?


Was thinking West Yorkshire actually. J.S. Ramsbottoms who i've bought from in the past when it was legal to buy through the post.
#10
To be fair, if weapons are in the FS/FT rules, it should have been locked.
#11
Shengis;2451810
Was thinking West Yorkshire actually. J.S. Ramsbottoms who i've bought from in the past when it was legal to by through the post.



Ah.
#12
So you'd cross the Thames then.
#13
emasu
To be fair, if weapons are in the FS/FT rules, it should have been locked.


Fair enough - can't really argue with the rules. But in principle, I do not object.
#14
but swiss army knives are also posted as deals on here...
#15
Jumpingphil
So you'd cross the Thames then.


I tend to go the western route so I can avoid Essex :p
1 Like #16
Shengis
I tend to go the western route so I can avoid Essex :p


What can I say.
That's a perfectly fair response.

I prefer this avatar by the way. Didn't like that little blue thing.

:thumbsup:
#17
Where abouts you from anyway matey? All joking aside I might go to the Dick Turpin on the 127 tomorrow night. I feel the urge for a 16oz steak :lol:
#18
a weapon is such a loose term though, a crow bar could be used as a weapon. as for the mention of pepper spray... well... that is illegal so isn't really an issue.
#19
Jumpingphil
I'm from sunny Harlow and a single father of two daughters ( 8 and 12 ) so I can't get out much.
Just been made redundant after 35 years in same job so at the moment I can stay up late.
After the summer I will be looking for work again. ( Scary for me I've only done it once before ).
:p


Oh ur local to me. I live in Ware. But previously from Bishops stortford.
#20
Although i am not keen on guns myself because of the severity of the damage they cause - i do agree that if the person was asking for a meat cleaver or some sort of chefs knife people wouldn't have given a second thought! But the same amount of damage can, with out a doubt, be caused!
No one been hearing the news lately about the rise in murders caused by stabbings???
#21
Shengis
Was thinking West Yorkshire actually. J.S. Ramsbottoms who i've bought from in the past when it was legal to buy through the post.


You can get them to send the rifle to your local registered dealer and then collect it from there. It will cost a bit more but if your really after it then thats the way forward.
#22
An air rifle is not in itself a weapon, its could be classed as a tool or a hobby related item, (used for pest control), virtually anything can be classed as a tool, the amount of knives screwdrivers, razors etc ive seen on here and they can in the wrong hands do just as much and sometimes even more damage than an air rifle, "weapon" is such a loose term and should perhaps have a clearer definition as weapon can be anything that a person can use to inflict injury on another.

Defininition of weapon from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon : [SIZE=-1]A weapon is a tool employed to injure, defeat, or destroy an adversary. Weapons may be used to attack and defend, and consequently also to threaten or protect. Metaphorically,[COLOR=Blue] anything used to damage (even psychologically) can be referred to as a weapon.[/COLOR][/SIZE]
#23
jocksteeluk
Ethically as this is a family forum it isn't surprising people objected to the adverts for sports guns, knives and etc.


Ethically?

My friends family are game keepers and guns are apart of their occupation and life, this doesn't make them morally corrupt.
#24
dont see what is wrong with the guy asking myself,
my partner has one which he uses as a hobby really,its kept safe away from the children i have no problem with it
like already mentioned anything can become a weapon in the hands of an idiot
#25
nikkib123
But why would you want an air gun? What do people use them for?
I cannot think of a reason why I would ever need to buy one?

:)


rabbit stew :)
#26
nikkib123;2452636
But why would you want an air gun? What do people use them for?
I cannot think of a reason why I would ever need to buy one?

:)


Well he is not you and you are not him...:thinking:
#27
nikkib123
But why would you want an air gun? What do people use them for?
I cannot think of a reason why I would ever need to buy one?

:)


http://www.shadowopzairsoft.co.uk/
#28
nikkib123;2452679
What sort of answer is that?? Do you know how to have a conversation?


Yarp...:thumbsup:
#29
I wanted a bb gun and posted it on here but got removed as the mods dont like guns.......
#30
Bloomin hell if someone wanted a gun to use for harming another person or other illegal purposes they wouldnt be asking on here anyway, I assure you that acquiring a gun that fires live ammunition is easy enough anyway, without fail I could most likely get my hands on one within 24 hours of deciding thats what I wanted a shotgun even less time.

Even in these times people do actually still use airguns (and live firing guns too) for hobbies and have safe responsible fun with them. Its not the guns that kill its irresponsible fools who carry them that do!
Within 20 minutes of where I live there are at least 2 rifle ranges where you can shoot safely and responsibly, plus several properly organised clay pigeon shooting ranges for shotguns, one of which runs 7 days a week. The laws on handguns havent cut down on unlawful crimes using handguns just driven it underground even further, people will if they want still acquire them, its only responsible gun owners who have felt the effects of the laws brought in after Dunblaine.
#31
Its an old age style of moderating - give it a few years when the hips kids take over (:-D) and porn drugs and guns will be able to be posted as deals
#32
dandoc2
Its an old age style of moderating - give it a few years when the hips kids take over (:-D) and porn drugs and guns will be able to be posted as deals


sweet, I can't wait! :)
#33
would be interesting for a moderator to put his/her view on this..... i think the guy should really re-post for the item.
#34
dandoc2
Its an old age style of moderating - give it a few years when the hips kids take over (:-D) and porn drugs and guns will be able to be posted as deals


That's the society we're trying to ween you out of. :p

Seriously, though. It's not the same as "kitchen knives" or a "swiss army knife", which both have obvious reasonable and useful uses.

Whilst we know you probably aren't going to go and shoot someone with a gun you've bought off HUKD, we've taken the decision not to allow "weapons" such as guns, swords, decorative knives, and knives which obviously aren't for the kitchen, etc.

Whilst this may disappoint some members who want to use these things for legitimate or ornamental use, the moderators have agreed that we don't want to encourage people to own such equipment due to the current climate we're seeing surrounding the issue of stabbings and shootings on our streets.

I'm sure people can understand this decision and I'm sure that if you do need something for a legitimate reason then there are other legitimate places where you may source them from. :)

EDIT: The 18th teenager to be killed on the streets of London yesterday. It's such a regular occurance that it doesn't even make the front page of BBC News any more:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7489039.stm :-(
#35
duckmagicuk2
That's the society we're trying to ween you out of. :p

Seriously, though. It's not the same as "kitchen knives" or a "swiss army knife", which both have obvious reasonable and useful uses.

Whilst we know you probably aren't going to go and shoot someone with a gun you've bought off HUKD, we've taken the decision not to allow "weapons" such as guns, swords, decorative knives, and knives which obviously aren't for the kitchen, etc.

Whilst this may disappoint some members who want to use these things for legitimate or ornamental use, the moderators have agreed that we don't want to encourage people to own such equipment due to the current climate we're seeing surrounding the issue of stabbings and shootings on our streets.

I'm sure people can understand this decision and I'm sure that if you do need something for a legitimate reason then there are other legitimate places where you may source them from. :)

EDIT: The 18th teenager to be killed on the streets of London yesterday. It's such a regular occurance that it doesn't even make the front page of BBC News any more:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7489039.stm :-(


are you joking? an air rifle doesn't have a reasonable use? I've used mine for catching rabbits and also pest control at nearby farms and many use it for a hobby..... as for swiss army knife... i think most of us probably have one lying around the house, and i'm also pretty sure that the majority of people end up using it as a bottle opener around the house, and certainly very few value it for the knife, so why have one at all?
#36
pikachu12
rayman shouldn't have closed the thread... nearly anything can be a weapon


Yes, nearly anything can be a weapon, but a firearm of any kind is only a weapon and nothing more.

The Swiss army knife is not a comparable product as it has numerous uses other than being used simply as a weapon.
#37
pontylad
are you joking? an air rifle doesn't have a reasonable use? I've used mine for catching rabbits and also pest control at nearby farms and many use it for a hobby..... as for swiss army knife... i think most of us probably have one lying around the house, and i'm also pretty sure that the majority of people end up using it as a bottle opener around the house, and certainly very few value it for the knife, so why have one at all?


I didn't say that the gun didn't have a reasonable use, although I think that it's "reasonable" use is less reasonable than that of a swiss army knife.

Sweetchuck
Yes, nearly anything can be a weapon, but a firearm of any kind is only a weapon and nothing more.

The Swiss army knife is not a comparable product as it has numerous uses other than being used simply as a weapon.


Sweetchuck has answerd the question well. :)
#38
Sweetchuck;2453048
Yes, nearly anything can be a weapon, but [COLOR=Blue]a firearm of any kind is only a weapon and nothing more.[/COLOR]

The Swiss army knife is not a comparable product as it has numerous uses other than being used simply as a weapon.

So everyone who owns any type of gun only uses it as a weapon? If you believe that is the case then you need to get out more, a gun can be a tool (either hunting or pest control) or a hobbyist item, many people who have guns use it for this shooting at targets or clays, seriously there is only a fraction of a percentage of all legal guns used as a weapon (pretty much the same percentage as cars) then you take into consideration how many people get hurt in accidents involving motor vehicles and how many in accidents involving guns and whittle it down to whatever in 1000 car owners/gun owners accidently injuring/killing/maiming someone then the figures will surprise you. Legitimate gun owners are well aware of the dangers mis-use of a gun carries, they will very often before shooting carry out a visual check on the gun before using it, how many car owners do the same? The majority just jump in and drive off.
#39
duckmagicuk2
I didn't say that the gun didn't have a reasonable use, although I think that it's "reasonable" use is less reasonable than that of a swiss army knife.


thats such a subjective comment to your way of life though, since it is the opposite in my life. next we'll be going down the orwell route of some being more equal than others.
#40
Although I can understand both viewpoints here (and I own an air-rifle) - I think in the end the mods have to draw a line somewhere and we should respect their decision.

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