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i have a problem-help please-any solicitors on here?

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9y, 4m agoPosted 9 years, 4 months ago
I have a problem . I live where there is only one accesible road to get to the main road (old RAF Camp) . There is a lot of building work about 1 mile away going on and I had some remarks from the builders when i drove past a couple of weeks ago -so i basically told the to ---- off and drove past.
Next day Police came round and told me i had been reported for being offensive-i told them what happened and as far as i was concerned that was it. A week later i drove past om the way home -road covered in thick mud ( since they have been there had 1 puncture and 2 flats due to nails- also a big van was parked on blind bend .
I opened the window and remarked ( not swearing!) at the "state of the bloody road" and a "bloody stupid place to park a van - later on -visit from the Police again ! I again explained what i had said and the parking etc. I was told not to speak to them ever again- ok by me i answered.
Yesterday i drove past in the morning came back at teatime - didn't see anyone /speak to anyone.
9pm Police banging on my door - one was very bullying reduced me to tears and accused me of abusing these builders - i said i hadn't spoke to them but this policeman had made his mind up . He kept asking me for £80 as he was issuing me with a fine - i said i did not have that sort of money and basically he got up and told me he would take it to court and walked out -he would not acknowledge me at all.
When he left i was in bits ( i also suffer from health issues and was ill all night ) Now i am too frightened to leave the house to go out and get food or anything and thee is no other way out of here except by going past there .
Anyone help please- i am out of my mind here with worrying !!
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[mod]#1
Well, if they have decided to fine you £80 for Anti Social behaviour then you have 2 choices......pay it or go to court.

As for the bullying Policeman, report him to his commander at the Police station and file an official complaint as this is not allowed. :thumbsup:
banned#2
you should try and tell the police the story from your point of view ie you felt intimidated from the builders and that you are unhappy with the state the road was left in leaving your car damaged, any ordinary person would feel the same you do.
#3
Firstly, Calm down and don't worry about any fines!

Clearly the builders are trying to make you seem like a trouble maker, For whatever reason, Probably just because there working on the road and they can, Sad men!

If you story is 100% of how it happened, Take it to court (so don't pay the fine) and explain everything, Worst comes to the worst and they think you're guilty you'll probably be let off because of the health issues.
#4
Oh and go and get some food whatever you do!!
#5
Thanks everyone- have rang a solicitor and he is trying to find out what is happening -but he hasn't had any joy yet.
Luckily me and the cats are ok for food as i went out yesterday -but i have to go out Monday and its worrying me already !!
#6
From the flip side, i work on the roads, not as a workman as such as in this context but i do work within road closures. There is a really funny game the public play, called "beep you horn at someone in a closure". I think as players, i and my colleagues are supposed to jump and be all frikened lol.

The public can be very inconsiderate sometimes. We are responsible for parking vehicles whilst not in the "best place" but in a safe place, for ourselves, colleagues and yes, the public.

If the vehicle *was* parked badly/dangerously BUT was showing amber lights, then sometimes that's all they can do. It is subjective and not an exact science where to park a work's vehicle.

I am not saying how they parked was safe/good/reasonable/practical and they could have parked it elsewhere, but consider the flip side if you will. It's not easy working in these conditions.

As for them bullying you, my sincere advise is, next time you go past the work's site, if it is even short term roadworks, 24 hours plus i think that category is, then there *should* be a sign saying who the contractor is, be them, water board, electricity etc etc.

Find out who the contractor is and contact them, or, if you cannot do this given your state of illness have a friend or family member do it. Invite the site supervisor to meet with you, perhaps not at your home but somewhere local to discuss your grievances.

It's sometimes better to contact the contractor as opposed to the folks doing the work directly cos, well to be blunt, they have the pressures of getting the job done, and can often cut corners......
#7
Don't be bullied or intimidated buy these nasty people. Are these complaints backed up by witnesseses? If they are then they have to be prepared to go to court and risk prosecution for purgery.
#8
Bah, everything went wrong when they de-nationalised the utility companies. Now any Tom, Richard or Harry can dig up the roads lol.
#9
The van was parked witout any lights on -it was daytime -but the road all the way down was clear and he parked on the actual bend -this is a very narrow twisty road that can just get 2 cars passing by each other- if a car had come round the bend and gone around the van as it would have had to -it would have hit me head on !
The only time i pip my horn is on these bad bend as most people drive neare to the middle of the road than the side around here - if you dont live on here there is no need for any other traffic as there is no other way out except to turn around and go back the way you came.
#10
After read some of your comments on here in the past, I think you should pay up and shut up.

Maybe it will make you think twice about shouting abuse out of your car window.
#11
I live on my own , therefore i go out on my own , so unfortunately i am the one with no witnesses and there are quite a lot of the workmen all backing each other up !
[mod]#12
Witnesses???? Purgery???? I think you've all been watching far too much TV. This is a case for the Magistrate's court over a £80 fine...........not the Crown Prosecution Service. :lol: :roll:
#13
So STORA its ok for workmen to shout discriminating remarks to me is IT ??
It s quite socially accepting for these type of remarks - "get your tits out !" when driving past a bunch of workmen - !!!and i should just accept it - i think not !!!!!!!!!!!
#14
Did it have amber light bars on the top, or rear of the vehicle? I don't mean standard lights, but amber ones. Doesn't matter, day or night the ambers should be on to warn other's.
You say it was on a bend, and i get the impression it could have parked elsewhere, in your opinion. Depends on what he was unloading, it may not have been either/or safe or practical to park elsewhere, sorry again, just giving the flip side as it were.
Remember summat please. A great deal of the onus on a driver is to be aware of other's lackings or incompetence. You say had someone came around the corner and gone around the van. If it's such a tight blind bend then they should drive, "according to the road and conditions" and should have taken the bend into account when attempting to drive around it. Take the corner slowly etc.
The pipping of the horn, oo-er i have no issue with if you did that, but is it that much of a busy road? Do other's do the same? Maybes the builders have taken umbridge with you (and other's if applicable) doing that.

This just sounds like summat that has gotten out of hand, dangerously and quickly alas

Comments like get your bits out, is very unacceptable i'll agree with that. Have they said that? I get the impression there is much more to this than meets the eye.......
#15
Put it this way, you cant do more than 20 miles at the most round the bend -there are about 4 twists and turns they are blind bends, on one side with wire fencing and shrubs/ grass . There have been 3 accidents on this road and loads of near misses - not everyone drives considerately.
The van in question was stopped and reading something -no lights anywhere.
#16
You can't blame the van being parked there for folk's driving inconsiderately. At 20mph, you can stop a car very quickly if you're paying attention so for there to have been accidents, it's either mechanical/vehicle failure, adverse weather, or folks driving badly. There is no such thing as an RTA anymore, cos insurers say there is ALWAYS ultimately someone to blame, so it's now a road traffic collision.

If it is such an accident blackspot, sounds prime for humps and a safety camera to me.

Anyways, back on track. If he had no lights, then what kind of "van" was it? If it was a transit for example, depends what he was delivering whether he'd have ambers but most construction site vehicles have ambers so maybes he was a delivery driver. Again, depends on what he was delivering.

I really think your best bet is find the company involved and contact them
#17
Id say don't worry about it, don't accept the fine! If your in the right then say you will go to court!

If your on any kind of benefit then you get free legal support so seek that :)
#18
catwoman
So STORA its ok for workmen to shout discriminating remarks to me is IT ??
It s quite socially accepting for these type of remarks - "get your tits out !" when driving past a bunch of workmen - !!!and i should just accept it - i think not !!!!!!!!!!!


YOU should have reported them and the van also. Now you have the problem of this incident escalating and being blown out of proportion.

You could end up with a bigger fine.
#19
well there is always 2 sides to every story, i guess the police point of view is you were advised once, you ignored that advice and made further comments. they have then again been called around to your address for a third time, again concerning the same behaviour ( whether you did it or not, they have been called around). Now if i had warned someone not to do something, then they did it again, then warned them again not to do it and i was told that it had been done again i would stop with the nicy nicy stuff and step it up a gear.

you say the police listened to you on the first 2 occassions, what do you expect them to do? keep coming around each time and listen to you again and again as it is obvious that there are issues between the builders and yourself. their point of view will be that you have been told 2 times and you are not responding to the 'nice' diplomatic approach, if you dont respond to that kind of approach, a different approach will be used.

it is how my son is taught to learn, my wife and i tell him not to do something, he does it and we explain nicely and listen to why he has done it, then if he does it again, he is warned and asked why he did it, then if he does it again, he gets shouted at and i dont want to know why he did it.

i dont knwo you and i dont know the builders so im not on anyones side, it just seems odd that the builders would go to so much trouble to have you reported, after all , time is money and if they had to give statements which they would as the witnesses, it would cost them time and money. Also, what could the builders possibly have said for you to be so aggressive and rude to them? you say they made remarks? .

as for reporting the policeman? well what would you rather he do if it were the other way around, that YOU were getting harassed and the police spoke nicely nicely to the culprit and you still got harrassed and abused? the police again spoke nicely nicely ? you would probably complain that the law is too soft and that the police havent done anything.

sorry that these wont be the words you want to here, im guessing you want posts of support. but all i can say which may actually be of some help or benefit to you is you contact the builders in writing and appologise for the offensive language you used against them and use your illness as an excuse or say you were upset over something? and keep a copy for your solicitor. that way either the builder may contact the police to withdraw the statement so there would be no witnesses to your behaviour if they were understanding, or when it went to court you could show the magistrate the letter of appology which woud be showing remorse for what you had done well in advance of any prosecution. just dont ask for the builder to withdraw his statement in the letter as that would technically be another offence.
#20
Actually i wasnt asking for sympathy -i was asking practical advice .
I DID NOT SPEAK to these men at all yesterday - i did not report them for the abusive remarks to me as i thought it churlish to do so -i retorted and as far i was concerned it was the end of it.
There could be another motive as well ,i am a long term tenant and they are now not wanting any tenants on here . They are selling the houses as soon as people move- but i had a long term tenancy and they cant just give me notice. I have applied to have cavity wall insulation , when they came out all the rendering is cracked and the landlord will not sign the certificate for me to have it done !!! Another problem .
I have lived here nearly 9 years and had no problems till this !! i don't want to move at the moment as its a quiet area with no crime -burglary or anything !
#21
catwoman
Actually i wasnt asking for sympathy -i was asking practical advice .


well if this is in responce to the post i did, i suggest you calm down and read ALL of the post.

oh and i didnt say sympathy, i said support.

but having just read you answer, im incline not to bother again.
#22
I have spoken to the solicitor and the Police haven't even got back to him-they are still trying to remember who they sent out !!
#23
i did post what they said on previous page
[mod]#24
catwoman
I have spoken to the solicitor and the Police haven't even got back to him-they are still trying to remember who they sent out !!


:o Remember??? :o

It will be on the paperwork.
#25
catwoman
one was very bullying reduced me to tears and accused me of abusing these builders - i said i hadn't spoke to them but this policeman had made his mind up

catwoman
I have spoken to the solicitor and the Police haven't even got back to him-they are still trying to remember who they sent out !!

For future reference as you don't seem to have done it this time, if you GENUINELY feel like a police officer has overstepped the mark, was abusive, etc then take down the number on his/her shoulder or ask for a name or id number for exactly this reason.
But please remember that complaining about someone could permanently or in the short term, damage their career for something you MAY have over-reacted to given a stressful situation.
Sure Dog_Cop or any other Police HUKD'ers could post how damaging people filing unnecessary complaints could/can be.
#26
Yes, i believe he did -i was in tears and ask him to stay so it could be sorted out and he just walked away whilst i was talking to him.
#27
Sorry if this sounds like a really thick thing to say, but are you sure they were real police officers? In your fisrt post you stated that they asked for the £80 fine there and then. Police don't do this do they? Surely they would issue you with a fine, then should you not pay it would go to court.

This sounds very fishy to me.
#28
Foxy102
are you sure they were real police officers? In your fisrt post you stated that they asked for the £80 fine there and then. Police don't do this do they? Surely they would issue you with a fine, then should you not pay it would go to court.

This sounds very fishy to me.


Punched in "On the spot fines" & most of the hits came back from the introduction of a pilot scheme in 2002 so I don't know what the current state of play is. This pilot scheme was introduced in August 2002 & meant -
Police will have the power to issue fixed penalty notices to individuals committing routine offences in three pilot areas: West Midlands, Essex and Met Police (Croydon Division). The pilot will be extended to include North Wales Police (Central Division) from 2 September

& one of the 11 'offences' that could be fined was -
Using threatening words or behaviour likely to cause alarm, harassment or distress under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986
#29
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO
Punched in "On the spot fines" & most of the hits came back from the introduction of a pilot scheme in 2002 so I don't know what the current state of play is. This pilot scheme was introduced in August 2002 & meant -

& one of the 11 'offences' that could be fined was -



a fixed penalty ticket for £80, details of how to pay are attached on the rear of the ticket, the details of the offence ( specifics) are written on the front in a small space by the police officer issuing the ticket, along with the offence which will be as already stated , public order s.5

You may find that the police have gone around to the posters house to warn her, a favoured tactic used by the police for when people waste their time with phone calls, persistant nuisance people or are not listening to the advice they have already been given and people the police can see becoming a pain and using the police to sort out every petty argument and trivial problem
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My friend and his wife who have just been sorting out the food in our kitchen for our meal later, are both police officers and both have pretty much said the same thing.
Although John is using more swear words than katie. :oops:
#30
brum

My friend and his wife who have just been sorting out the food in our kitchen for our meal later, are both police officers and both have pretty much said the same thing.
Although John is using more swear words than katie. :oops:


Without wishing to interupt your meal, could either John or Kate explain what action could/would potentially be taken against any officer who is made the subject of a complaint due to a someone 'believing' they had overstepped the mark?
Is it fine to just complain & let the relevant force decide who is right or wrong believing that if they say that officer is 'innocent' nothing further will happen to him or her??!?!
1 Like #31
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO
Without wishing to interupt your meal, could either John or Kate explain what action could/would potentially be taken against any officer who is made the subject of a complaint due to a someone 'believing' they had overstepped the mark?
Is it fine to just complain & let the relevant force decide who is right or wrong believing that if they say that officer is 'innocent' nothing further will happen to him or her??!?!



the complain proceedure is called ( tp police officers ) the 6's
HOWEVER, if a member of the public wishes to make a complaint, the duty inspector is normally the person who will speak to the person wishing to complain, the inspector will be pre armed with information if it is something like this where the police have attended a 'job'. the inspector will have the police logs ( data protected so the person complaining will probably NOT get to see this infor) with them to refer to.
the inspector ( or sergeant if no inspector is available at the time) will listen to what the person has to say, will review the situation and then 9/10 times will make a decision then and there which will be to apologise to the member of public that they did not feel that they were getting treated fairly tell them that they will speak to the officer concerning their demenor and the send them packing.

the inspector MAY depending on the officer in question, speak with the officer and ask for their account ( if only to confirm what the inspector had already thought) and nothing happens, the inspector may look at the person making the complaint and do nothing as it would be a deliberate 'vindictive' complaint, a marker then goes against that persons address and also if they have been arrested before an alledges or alligation marker gets placed on their record.
IF the inspector believed the complainant AND felt that the officer had acted in a manner which was not apropriate then an official 'warning after some meetings' or verbal warnig after some meetings may happen, the verbal warning like in the nhs , goes after 12 months but a written warning stays on the perminant file.
IF something more serious has been alledged like a criminal matter, the complaint will then get taken up by the police complaints comission who are independant of tthe police, they in turn may request officers from a different polce force conduct an enquiry into the alligation.

anything more than that , they know ahhhem not much about is how i am wording it ( not the words used).

hope this helps, if it doesnt then i wont tell katie who has her serious face on now.
:?
#32
Just wondered how serious it would get for the officer concerned 'cause I always had the impression that it be worse for them to have a complaint made against them than if you complained about the service/treatment recieved in a shop or something similar....
Thanks for the info Brum (& guests), I hope you all have a pleasant evening.
#33
catwoman
Thanks everyone- have rang a solicitor and he is trying to find out what is happening -but he hasn't had any joy yet.
Luckily me and the cats are ok for food as i went out yesterday -but i have to go out Monday and its worrying me already !!


Tesco's do delivery...
#34
angelkelly
Tesco's do delivery...



Well they would but they can't get down the road because of a badly parked van in the way :giggle:
#35
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO
Just wondered how serious it would get for the officer concerned 'cause I always had the impression that it be worse for them to have a complaint made against them than if you complained about the service/treatment recieved in a shop or something similar....
Thanks for the info Brum (& guests), I hope you all have a pleasant evening.


i will have, they come around every now and then as they are friends, they only came around today because i have damaged my shoulder and they cooked for me and the wife as she has had to do all the running around while i have been sat at the pc doing naff all for the last 10 days. i am on sevreal pain killers like tramadol, codine and muscle relaxant diazipam so i cant drink or do much apart from sit at the pc.

john and katie have now gone, they left with katie STILL with her serious look, the look that john knows too much about the complaints proceedure.

apparently most supervisors are aware that it is easy for ssom eidiot to complan and potentially ruin an officers life so now it is nipped in the bud at the very start, unless there is a serious alligation.

enough of this law talk though it is doing my head in and im not phoning them up to ask anything else, they both intend to get pissed tonight now they have done their 'charity' work of helping this cripple.:thumbsup:
#36
stora
Well they would but they can't get down the road because of a badly parked van in the way :giggle:


:giggle: :thumbsup:
#37
Let me know where you live and I will send a big 40' truck down to your house with a delivery, my guys don't take nothing from no one, if they don't like you they switch off the engine and sit there until the situation is resolved :whistling: seen a few people eat humble pie, even with the police there, oh no driver has just run out of hours, on a break now :giggle: :giggle: One driver hit a van one day and dragged it along the road, said he couldn't see it as he went around the corner as it was in the blind spot, it was a write off :whistling:
#38
Crazy1
Let me know where you live and I will send a big 40' truck down to your house with a delivery, my guys don't take nothing from no one, if they don't like you they switch off the engine and sit there until the situation is resolved :whistling: seen a few people eat humble pie, even with the police there, oh no driver has just run out of hours, on a break now :giggle: :giggle: One driver hit a van one day and dragged it along the road, said he couldn't see it as he went around the corner as it was in the blind spot, it was a write off :whistling:



i could have used those facilities in february bfore selling my old car, the trade in i got for it brought tears to my eyes. i may as well have had it squashed , claimed on my insuranceand then i wopuld still have ended up in profit even with a higher premium.
:-(
#39
Thanks for that offer-may take you up on it !!!
I do have to leave here though occasionally -i only go out once a week as it is to shop and bank etc as otherwise it costs too much in petrol.
I don't think i can get a dentist to come out though as i lost a filling last week and i need to go to put a cheque in the bank as i wouldnt trust it in the post - so need an escort for about a half mile journey on Monday lunchtime !!!
#40
I know its not idea, but is it possible to walk to the main road and get a bus.

Use your mobile phone to voice/video record the bit where you walk past the builders and just don't react at all.

You don't even have to hold the video up to catch the offender, just make sure you identify the direction you are walking then hold it in your hand to catch the audio.

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