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I'm more than happy for Thatcher to have a state funeral, but...

Liddle ol' me Avatar
8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
if she dies first, the deal is off!

(Heard on PM on Radio 4, comment from another listener. Thought it was quite smart).

What do you think about this issue? Should the Iron Lady be given this honour or not?

No nasty fighting please, just your answer and your reasoned, reasonable reasons for it.
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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
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banned#1
Yes, she should...all ex PM's should IMO
banned#2
Couldn't really care to be honest. As long as she doesn't enjoy it!
#3
ODB_69
Yes, she should...all ex PM's should IMO


Churchill is the only PM to date who has been given this honour afaik.
#4
guv
Couldn't really care to be honest. As long as she doesn't enjoy it!


That's almost as smart as the R4 listener's comment :thumbsup:
#5
Liddle ol' me
That's almost as smart as the R4 listener's comment :thumbsup:

:giggle:

I think she should, she was a good person
ODB_69
Yes, she should...all ex PM's should IMO

I disagree there, I hardly feel that Tony Blair should he indirectly killed thousands of people :-(
#6
Jeeeesuuus, a state funeral ???

I put most of the problems this country has today as a result of what happened in the eighties.


I'd rather dance on her grave... bitch
#7
Nope! She doesn't deserve one in the way that Churchill did, and I can't really see anyone else doing so from the current run of hopeless cases either
#8
I don't think 'we' usually do state funerals for PM's do we? I seem to think that Churchill got one. I don't care - politically I loathed her strategies and the outcomes thereof - but the whole state pageantry stuff leaves me cold. As I pay taxes, I would prefer state money to be spent on something more worth-while. Why is this discussion happening now? I wouldn't like to have people discussing whether or not I should have a state funeral if I were she.
#9
Absolutely 100%. And they should cancel all telly and replace it with a picture of her for a week, and all the papers front pages should be replaced a solid black block and it should be made mandatory to travel to London and sign the book of condolences etc etc.
#10
Yes she should like her or not she made her stamp on british history
#11
some respect yes for being the first female PM, a state funeral? No IMO
banned#12
alfie73
Yes she should like her or not she made her stamp on british history


More like trampled over it. Made history of the miners for sure. :x
#13
churchy2704
More like trampled over it. Made history of the miners for sure. :x


You following me lol and she stopped our school milk lol
#14
ODB_69
Yes, she should...all ex PM's should IMO


Put Tony b...liar on a plane and chuck him out over Iran, he doesn't even have to be dead beforehand (or have a parachute) :w00t:. Now a peace envoy FFS......I'll chip in for that one.

As for maggie..chuck her wretched carcus down a redundant coal pit for the rats to have, one of the many pits which SHE closed. She may as well be of some use :thumbsup:
#15
Meangreenie
Jeeeesuuus, a state funeral ???

I put most of the problems this country has today as a result of what happened in the eighties.


I'd rather dance on her grave... bitch



PROBLEMS WE HAD IN THE EIGHTIES WERE DUE TO THE IDIOTS WHO WERE IN POWER BEFORE mrs thatcher.

i can remember the 3 day week, the bins not being emptied all because of the power of the TRADE UNIONS and their PACT with LABOUR.
it took a strong leader to break this monoploy expecting the public to pay 10x the amount for Coal, for instance, than we could import it from Russia.

we were not AMERICAS LAPDOG as we are now, we were a strong and proud nation unlike at present , now we are also Europes lapdog putting the money in and obeying all their rules.

GIVE HER A STATE FUNERAL
banned#16
compo
PROBLEMS WE HAD IN THE EIGHTIES WERE DUE TO THE IDIOTS WHO WERE IN POWER BEFORE mrs thatcher.

i can remember the 3 day week, the bins not being emptied all because of the power of the TRADE UNIONS and their PACT with LABOUR.
it took a strong leader to break this monoploy expecting the public to pay 10x the amount for Coal, for instance, than we could import it from Russia.

we were not AMERICAS LAPDOG as we are now, we were a strong and proud nation unlike at present , now we are also Europes lapdog putting the money in and obeying all their rules.

GIVE HER A STATE FUNERAL


Take it you're a Tory then! :whistling:
banned#17
ALL leaders have blood on their hands.....
[mod]#18
We've gone full circle again.........non stop strikes again now. Overthrow them all and live in a lawless state..........can't be anymore dangerous. lol
#19
chesso
(1) I don't think 'we' usually do state funerals for PM's do we? I seem to think that Churchill got one. (2) I don't care - politically I loathed her strategies and the outcomes thereof - (3) but the whole state pageantry stuff leaves me cold. (4) As I pay taxes, I would prefer state money to be spent on something more worth-while. (5) Why is this discussion happening now? (6) I wouldn't like to have people discussing whether or not I should have a state funeral if I were she.


1. Yes, only one
2. Ditto :thumbsup:
3. Me too - I have no time for pomp & circumstance
4. Agreed
5. Not sure actually - hope someone can answer that one for us
6. She's a little senile now so probably isn't all that aware - but my guess is that she would be pleased with this. Most power-hungry pesonalities would be.
#20
compo
PROBLEMS WE HAD IN THE EIGHTIES WERE DUE TO THE IDIOTS WHO WERE IN POWER BEFORE mrs thatcher.

i can remember the 3 day week, the bins not being emptied all because of the power of the TRADE UNIONS and their PACT with LABOUR.
it took a strong leader to break this monoploy expecting the public to pay 10x the amount for Coal, for instance, than we could import it from Russia.

we were not AMERICAS LAPDOG as we are now, we were a strong and proud nation unlike at present , now we are also Europes lapdog putting the money in and obeying all their rules.

GIVE HER A STATE FUNERAL


I think you should lay off the caps and stop shouting. Your message is clear enough. :thumbsup:

I've underlined the bit that makes me smile. Where have I heard this attitude before? me is thinking I know which party you vote for! :whistling:
#21
a funeral is usually for the living ones to send the departed off ... i think it should be a private affair, paid for by people who actually want to pay their last respects, not the whole state.
banned#22
One word, who?

I agree we're fast losing our identity, we'll end up being just like the melting pot known as the USA.
#23
chesso
I don't think 'we' usually do state funerals for PM's do we? I seem to think that Churchill got one. I don't care - politically I loathed her strategies and the outcomes thereof - but the whole state pageantry stuff leaves me cold. As I pay taxes, I would prefer state money to be spent on something more worth-while.

kippy
a funeral is usually for the living ones to send the departed off ... i think it should be a private affair, paid for by people who actually want to pay their last respects, not the whole state.


Bang on the money....& the same should extend to Royalty. Get the relatives to pay for it & see if it runs into the millions that could be better spent then!!?!?
[SIZE="1"](If people feel the need to show respect then organise a 1 minute silence @ about 3AM so it doesn't disrupt anything much)[/SIZE]


Although if you're gonna do something then you should do it right & I'm liking Jah's style....
jah128
Absolutely 100%. And they should cancel all telly and replace it with a picture of her for a week, and all the papers front pages should be replaced a solid black block and it should be made mandatory to travel to London and sign the book of condolences etc etc.
#24
Stick the old bag in a wooden box & let her rot in hell.

On behalf of the Britishh manufacturing industry.
banned#25
Meangreenie
Jeeeesuuus, a state funeral ???

I put most of the problems this country has today as a result of what happened in the eighties.


Which problems would those be?

As for the miners, was that not the unions?
#26
karaokecolin
Stick the old bag in a wooden box & let her rot in hell.

On behalf of the Britishh manufacturing industry.


Love the signature! To be fair though, although she caused immense pain, much of the British manufaturing industries was on the slippery slope already. And in light of what has happened in China since, could probably never have survived this long. But even if this is the case, Thatcher axed everything in one fell swoop without any real consideration for the people who lost their livelihoods in the process. Her supporters say there wasn't an easier way, but I disagree strongly. Nothing justifies such 'collateral' damage. If Thatcher has a lasting legacy imo, it is that she helped teach people to be greedy and self-centred and have little regard for the person next door (or reverse the opposite?).
#27
churchy2704
Take it you're a Tory then! :whistling:


no theyre all the same self serving pigs feeding at the trough. only one has held down a proper job a labour MP used to be a postie.

will vote for a party that gets us out of europe
#28
The above is very true.
She was the great pioneer of the 'I'm alright ,Jack' attitude that is at the heart of a lot of society's troubles today.
[mod]#29
It's funny how everyone is arguing about her funeral and she's not even ruddy dead yet. :w00t: :lol:
#30
Liddle ol' me
Where have I heard this attitude before? me is thinking I know which party you vote for! :whistling:


compo
no theyre all the same self serving pigs feeding at the trough. only one has held down a proper job a labour MP used to be a postie.

will vote for a party that gets us out of europe


I knew it - A UKIP voter! :p
#31
Liddle ol' me
I knew it - A UKIP voter! :p


Ex leader a brown bagger - vodka 4 brekkies - and others fiddling their expenses, (though aren't they all), at OUR expense.................ANARCHY anyone???? :thumbsup:
#32
Liddle ol' me
I knew it - A UKIP voter! :p


a non voter at present , will vote for someone who

cuts the benefit culture
builds more prisons
gets us out of europe
and looks after this country first and foremost
#33
compo
a non voter at present , will vote for someone who

cuts the benefit culture
builds more prisons
gets us out of europe
and looks after this country first and foremost


So, in other words: Cut them off; lock them up; freeze them out; take no prisoners.

You sound like a very pleasant guy. :whistling:
#34
compo
a non voter at present , will vote for someone who

cuts the benefit culture
builds more prisons
gets us out of europe
and looks after this country first and foremost


Liddle ol' me
So, in other words: Cut them off; lock them up; freeze them out; take no prisoners.

You sound like a very pleasant guy. :whistling:


thej
So in other words, helps gets more people back into work,helps cut crime,frees us from bureaucracy gone mad and helps our oap's,the sick,etc,etc before then turning to help other countries.

Sounds like an ok guy to me :thumbsup:


Touche! Yes, there are always multiple perspectives. However, to take one of your points as an example of why I think the perspectives above are nothing more than cliched tabloid-speak, there is a lack of credible evidence to show that sending more people to prison cuts crime. In fact ,the Scandinavian system has provided increasingly reliable evidence to the contrary, something even the Conservative Party has begun to take note of in recent crime reports.

Making sweeping statements about 'looking after the country' is absolutely meaningless unless it is backed up by examples of how this can be done and why it should be done in certain ways over others. In fact, it always surprises me that so many ordinary (i.e. non professional) people profess to know what's best for a country when they don't seem willing (or able?) to explain why they hold the opinions they do... (and let's be honest, it is a pretty complicated question to address!). Reverting to cliched generalisations just doesn't cut it if you want to talk big issues :)
#35
chesso;2556224
I don't think 'we' usually do state funerals for PM's do we? I seem to think that Churchill got one. I don't care - politically I loathed her strategies and the outcomes thereof - but the whole state pageantry stuff leaves me cold. As I pay taxes, I would prefer state money to be spent on something more worth-while. Why is this discussion happening now? I wouldn't like to have people discussing whether or not I should have a state funeral if I were she.


The reason for the discussion now is because the decision has only recently been announced, I have to admit I did a double take when I got home and saw it plastered in the headlines as I'd wondered how I'd managed to miss the fact she'd died. Which was of course because she hadn't.

John

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