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I'm not shoppong at TESCO anymore

little_rock Avatar
9y, 9m agoPosted 9 years, 9 months ago
After the prog on tely last night - I would be surprised it anyone does.

Bloody monopolists and scheisters!
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#1
I've recorded this, not seen it yet, wanted to see how the supermarkets work.

Thing is, all big companies like Tesco do this, boycotting Tesco means boycotting any large company that brings you nice cheap far eastern goods, and pressured and bullied low prices surely?
#2
when you see the prog you'll get the drift, and I don't totally agree with the idea that we cannot have cheap prices without empire building.

Put it this way - the voucher schemes - a parent needs to spend 2k+ to get a crappy leather football out of them - and 2 Million!!! to get a trampoline - bloody outrageous!

There's loads more snydey stuf fin the prog.
Iwonder could you post the prog un on the internet to give other hot dealers a chance to see it - that would be brill dude!


lr
#3
Alright, I'll watch it and get back to this thread ;-)
#4
Isn't Tesco a business? Don't ALL businesses operate to make a profit, which they will only do if people 'choose' to shop with them, which people clearly do? I couldn't really see what all the fuss is about.. afterall, they aren't here to do people a favour are they. Just my opinion though.. don't flame me.
#5
It is your choice to shop or not with them. And I actually prefer Tesco to any other supermarket in my area. What's more - I bought furniture and fridge off them.
In my opinion, all these talks about monopoly, etc are nothing but envy. Did anyone forced competition not being successful? Did anyone forced you to shop at Tesco? Have they declared themselves a charity?

Put it this way - the voucher schemes - a parent needs to spend 2k+ to get a crappy leather football out of them - and 2 Million!!! to get a trampoline - bloody outrageous!

If you shop at Tesco just because of their voucher scheme, then maybe it is time for you to read the fine print? It is so annoying when people going for something, not bothering to read T&C then crying they were robbed.
I personally got free TopGear subscription, Tussaud group yearly admission vouchers, MFI, parking, etc. It doesn't mean I am rich and spending millions with them. There are better ways, you know. Like clubcard credit card, for example.
#6
Hi Guys, I don't do flaming (tho I may be flamed!) :P

Yes they're a business and not a charity. Thing is I do not beleive that businesses need to act so inscrupulously, and not just TESCO. The thought that their thrickster accounting and tax free off shore accounting evades Millions going intot he govt coffers wrankles like hell - as I have to pay my taxes or else, and cannot afford a big cleverclogs to get me out of paying it.

If we follow that track, that the most powerful does NOT have a duty to care for the community of smaller entities then they just become a bloody great monster! Even Ape Society recognizes this, the most powerful of the troop becoming a protector of the group.

Of course, everyone has choices to shop wherever they want, but as the rpogramme showed, it is becoming harder and harder to shop elsewhere, geographically speaking.

It's an interesting subject for sure.
#7
Do not confuse tax avoidance, which is perfectly legal, BTW, with tax evasion, which is a crime. Any business of certain size and above will do everything to avoid taxation. This is a norm and there is nothing wrong with it. As long as it is not evasion, of course.

If we follow that track, that the most powerful does NOT have a duty to care for the community of smaller entities then they just become a bloody great monster!

I think you fail to common misconception. No one has ANY duty to care for any community. If some business does it then it comes out of its goodwill and nothing more. Put it in other words - you are getting good salary (if you don't then imagine you are) - and someone comes to you and demanding some percentage off it because it is your duty to feed some community. If you refuse then you are blamed for being selfish and arrogant. If you will give money then you'll be subject for such demands for the rest of your life. But if you decide to give money on your own, not because of public pressure, then it is a goodwill. But there is no such duty to give money to some community.
#8
How much did you used to spend in Tesco, Little Rock, before you saw the programme?
#10
hey guys!

sorry, I disagree Kommie! ;-) I think with with power comes responsibility.
We are not Dinosaurs, that is the biggest beats the smallest. We're an evolvING race. We don't eat our young if we need a snack, and we don't murder rape and pillage just because we can! the feudal days are over!

I do give a %age of my salary - I pay taxes so poorer people can have benefits, healthcare and all the things I can afford. I do feel like we need to give something back to society. Think about if no one ever gave way to other motorists - one hell of a traffic jam. Yes it migh tbe annoying, but there will be a time whnbe you may need to be let out too!

Just my 2 cents! ;-)

have fun
#11
Christmas - I guess a weekly shop can be 60 -90 or more?

we dont always do tesco though . . . waitrose when we are flush!
[mod]#12
Can't blame them for wanting to make money as that is the name of the game after all. As for the vouchers you collect, at least it's something, some supermarkets don't offer any schemes at all or put anything into the local area.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not a Tesco fanboy but i do think things get blown out of proportion. A lot of business have a monopoly, look at Microsoft. I bet more than half of the people on here are using their operating system but you don't see them boycotting them or chucking their PC in the skip.

Also, as for Tesco's monitoring you're shopping habbits, so what! The goverment monitors every aspect of your life from your health, work, travel and probably the regularity in which you flush your toilet. It's just modern life.
#13
hey Syze,

nope - dont blame them for wanting tomake money at all!
the vouchers are too much of a PR excersize I reckon, but i agree it's good to get something.

as for Msoft - I actually dont think they have a monopoly
ppl can buy mac or use lnux or whatever . . we do all have choices but maybe that are similar in some way. I can't wait to ge tmy vista lappie with the vista mac os10 ripoff!

;-)
[mod]#14
I meant to watch this and forgot ........... :-(
#15
Little Rock

I think with with power comes responsibility.

Don't you think that responsibility and duty are different things? It is nobody business how they want to spend their money, so if they decide to give some of it away then kudos to them. If not, then just shrug it off. They do not owe to anyone beyond their legal duties (taxes, environmental, work, health and safety laws, etc).

We are not Dinosaurs, that is the biggest beats the smallest.

We are certainly not. However, the trend is now reversing - some mammals are demanding that other (supposedly richer) mammals would subsidize them for life because it is their (latter) social responsibility. And if that is an evolution, then I want to be Neanderthal man.

I do give a %age of my salary - I pay taxes so poorer people can have benefits, healthcare and all the things I can afford.

Er.. no. Paying taxes is not a goodwill - it is your duty as a citizen or resident of this country. You can avoid taxes if you know how, but you can not simply say: I refuse to pay taxes because I don't want to. This is not about giving back.

Think about if no one ever gave way to other motorists - one hell of a traffic jam.

Maybe that's why Highway code and traffic lights were introduced? Both are duties as described in law but not goodwill.
#16
Wow, very strong feelings on this, wish I had seen it. My opinion on vouchers is the same as everyone else, at least they are giving you something - you dont shop there for the vouchers they are just a bonus.

Plus, there are always programmes like this that are made to produce these sorts of feelings, they could have done the same thing to any other supermarket. For example, there was one the other day about ASDA and how the delivery methods of food to the store means that customer safety is at risk because food is defrosted and refrozen some time later, plus fresh food such as bread and fruit is left outside and it has been filmed with birds landing on it and eating some.

We cant boycot every supermarket
#17
lol.
hilarious. run out of time so I guess you win?

:P
#18
Channel 4 Dispatches: The Supermarket that’s eating Britain

I watched it and made some points (the advantage of pausing…) and I’m no Tesco fanboy (ps this is going on another forum, a e-mail subscription and a couple of websites I am on, as I’m fed of people being anti “corporation here” when intelligent Government & regulation can do so much to make such companies listen and address these problems)

1) Planning permission: ie Tesco applied for 10,000 cubic meters but built 12,000, council forced to decide 500 jobs lost and destroying store or allow Tesco to get away with it, imho this is the fault of the council for not researching Tescos habits elsewhere, they've done this for years and gotten away with it. Every planning permission from whomever should have a clause with serious fines and penalties should someone overbuild really. Also how did they overbuild when they had to submit the design for construction and why was it not compared to the design submitted on original planning permission? Again fault of the Council

2) Clubcard scheme: they said £100 spend =£1 voucher, every major coporation in the UK and the world has similar schemes to collate data on their customers and as such profile and analyse them, too little and too late to change this trend now, moaning seems to achieve nothing, noone forces you to get a club card

3) Tesco & New Labour: while I didn't know this at 1st, it made alot of sense to me, I remember when Sainsburies was #1, but they were stuck in the 70s and 80s and were not progressing, Tesco filled the need for the change the programme describes, any company that requires Gov. insider knowledge like Tesco will hire ex.Gov people, lots of companies do it, makes sense to me, it's not illegal.

4) Tesco offering every service under the sun: considering Tesco has a 25% capture of the grocery market, and as such as 25% free advertising space online and in their stores to offer such services, their bargaining power means they can get competitive deals and will attract customers to these services, not illegal not immoral, good business sense...

5) Local produce: I have dual feelings about this, while the market will always want cheap prices which can be gotten from banana republics I can't see local produce matching them on a grand scale, UKs population density is twice that of anywhere else in Europe iirc. We just can't stop importing or reduce importing massively, we are hugely dependant upon it, it just is not feasible unless everyone moves into their local city, and every local city has the pop. density of Tokyo and we give up all our space for agriculture and food processing... no way can the UK become so self sufficient and reduce importing. Of course its cheaper, greener and more locally economically friendlier to use more local produce, but as I just described, is just not possible with current infrastructure, space, consumption.

6) Local campaigns vs. local Gov: Not sure about this one, Tesco has massive resources, able to maneuver dedicated teams into each area to overwhelm any Council or Local Authority in terms of media and PR coverage to pressure them into allowing the store they want. Ultimately this lands in #10 and Whitehall imo, it would not be hard for #10 to push through a bill to stop Tesco or anyone else having 70-100% monopoly on certain towns and areas (most people and media seem to think the 25-30% ceiling on national averages provided by merger restrictions etc is enough when it is not), however as mentioned in the programme New Labour and New Tesco are in bed with each other so this will not happen any time soon. So long as such a massive loophole and gap exists, Tesco will continue to abuse it, legally.

7) Tesco affecting residential areas by Tesco Metros: Turning them into car parks etc creating massive anti Tesco sentiment in the area. Again Councils should do the research into what the impact would be, forcing Tesco to pay for such research and not to assume all of Tesco’s figures are correct, compare them to other similar projects and see what the real impact was, not taking Tesco’s figures as gospel, the programme makes Tesco out to be the bully, but they merely exploit the incompetence of Councils. The public consultation they showed was interesting, if such meetings took place with Tesco management, local councilors and MPs, was more planned out, local people notified and told to research their questions and concerns, the public would not feel so left out again local Gov. not having a freaking clue as to how to deal and plan these is to blame. Tesco backed down when it saw how anti Tesco they were. This on a repeated, nationwide basis would make Tesco take such concerns properly instead of just rolling out stores without giving a damn within the letter of the law.

8) Tesco land banks; Buying land to block other developments taking it or stopping other supermarkets: The law is if a residential house is empty for 6months the Council can start charging Council Tax and now in some areas repossess the house to sell it to people who need it. Applying the same but obviously far more comprehensive and appropriate measure to business developments would not be hard, again local Gov. incompetence is to blame for not properly enforcing fair rules, penalties and guidelines on companies who buy land and do not develop on it, Tesco abuse this ignorance for their own benefit.

9) Computer school/sports equipment voucher scheme: as Kommunist said, read the small print, teachers, headmasters parents should all be reading the small print, don’t blame Tesco for your own ignorance for falling for these schemes and on a separate point is not Tesco’s responsibility to pay for our schools computers, it might be appalling value (£250,000 spend = 1 free computer, £2200 spend = 1 free football, £1million spend = 1 free trampoline) for the customer but Tesco are spending much more on ads on these schemes as it gets them cheap and free PR and stupid people fall for it. The clubcard scheme is far better value (in comparison, 1% for your intimate spending habits isn’t great), if you want to help your school, hand in your club card vouchers.

10) Nutritional information: FSA, if given more teeth, could of easily forced the traffic light system on all produce sold in the UK, but for some reason Tesco and the alternative % scheme is being adopted, it’s not a big deal imo, it’s not hard to eat healthily and if I’m true snob: it is uneducated ignorance which breeds this American obesity culture we are turning into, educate yourself and your bloody children, pretty simple…

11) Tax/Stamp Duty avoidance: My father is a chartered accountant specialising in Tax, saving rich people stupid amounts every year, it put food on our table for many years and still does for me and my family. I do not get what the big deal is on this either. Brown has brought in a truly fascist amount of new bureaucracy to the tax and IR systems so I’m hardly his biggest fan, they say Brown has tried to clamp down on Tesco's growing monopoly, that’s all he has done tried, he’s put a sieve over the loophole not a nice big plug, New Labour need money from these companies you know… The loopholes are there, Tesco use them, got a problem? Start a campaign to stop it then, but it’ll increase the cost of stuff you buy as Tesco are not going to pay it from its share of the profit… so it’s only yourself you are hurting. I'm surrpised more industries and companies do not do this, but I suspect it's their regulation keeping those who are UK based, staying UK based.

12) Tesco expansion: Again I do not know what the big deal is, so long as they are not allowed stupid monopolies on towns and counties (which poor local authorities and councils sit back and allow, how stupid and corrupt does a council have to be to allow 10 stores on one town and no others ffs?) and if regulatory authorities do their job. I’m all for it, so long as it now abroad, which they are doing in America and Continental Europe, whether we like it or not Tesco is a major part of the UK economy. The programme mentioned 2billion profits, look at todays banks profits of 30billion+, Tesco is big, but is far from the biggest, just we pick on them a lot more as go there weekly and is more important as it’s food..

13) Tesco response to dispatches programme: Harsh response demonizing Dispatches, could have been better, but then dispatches has been caught lying before (Royal Mail scandal) so I do not blame them, it would not be hard to comprehensively discredit dispatches as Tesco are abiding the letter of the law. It’s a shame dispatches did not mention the pressure on local farmers and importers getting dirt cheap prices threatening to go elsewhere etc, there are entire sub industries dependent upon Tesco not even highlighted upon.
#19
What I don't like is the emotional blackmailing - schools are desperately short of equipment, & see the vouchers as a means of getting some kit for free (as far as they are concerned), so they send letters to the parents asking them to shop specifically at Tescos (or whichever supermarket is running the scheme at the time) & then pass the vouchers on to the school.

OR the schools run competitions to see which kid can bring in the most vouchers.

I personally know of 3 schools that do both of the above.

That's what makes me angry...:x
#20
Hmmmm competitions, even more ignorant headteachers and management at schools, reflective of how bad UK education is these days.

Those schools should told in detail how much a rip off those schemes are if they are too lazy and retarded to find out for themselves.
#21
cis_groupie
What I don't like is the emotional blackmailing - schools are desperately short of equipment, & see the vouchers as a means of getting some kit for free (as far as they are concerned), so they send letters to the parents asking them to shop specifically at Tescos (or whichever supermarket is running the scheme at the time) & then pass the vouchers on to the school.

OR the schools run competitions to see which kid can bring in the most vouchers.

I personally know of 3 schools that do both of the above.

That's what makes me angry...:x


Schools shouldnt do that, not everyones parents can afford to shop at tesco and it is unfair that those who cant arent able to enter the competition. However this is not the fault of tescos, but the school itself.
#22
I personally don't like tesco and the way they do business they DEMANDED 1 MILLION POUNDS from the company i work for to put our products on the shelfs all this does is make the products more expensive for everybody else to buy.
#23
You made some good valid points earlier, :thumbsup: but this is going a bit over the top :x :-

schizoboy
Hmmmm competitions, even more ignorant headteachers and management at schools, reflective of how bad UK education is these days.

Those schools should told in detail how much a rip off those schemes are if they are too lazy and retarded to find out for themselves.
#24
oh dear, some very strong views!!

ment to watch it and forgot, does anyone know if it is going to be repeated?

well!! i swap between each food store to give family a variety, so that makes me feel a bit better after reading all your coment.:) but wish i had seen it. :)
#25
dino they are people on taxpayers money indirectly becoming PR slaves for Tesco, sorry but imho that was mild, they should know better.
#26
At the end of the day they are running a business and I'm sure that plenty of other companies including other supermarkets employ the same tactics as Tesco.

No one forces anyone to shop there, it's not like they drag the customers in! It is everyone's choice where to shop and if that is Tesco then it is up to the individual
#27
i didnt see it so cant really comment, but i usually shop in morissons.
#28
Saw it. Not convinced. I believe many other supermarkets & businesses operate in a similar fashion. It's how the world is these days.
#29
i didnt see the programme either but as to which supermarket - there is so much competition these days, there is never gonna be a happy medium where everyone is happy,for example some say organic is best, but some cant afford to pay the extra ect,its simpy a case of weighing up your personal preferences/needs/morals/views, i do shop at tesco out of, a) convenience, its local and i dont drive, b) its cheaper tha the only other local alternative thats a tad further, c) its what i know,sad i know but been using it for years, i know what to expect ect. maybe its a good thing i missed it lol
#30
loupomm it was Dispatches attacking an easy target really, Tesco is just one of hundreds that act the way they do.

I shop there too without feeling guilty, Councils, Gov, regulation is at fault for most of their practicies, it's down to them to enforce and police rules not for companies to act in a 100% ethical and moral way to not **** off residents or effect other business's, Tesco is within the law.
Pointing your finger at them and moaning achieves nothing.
#31
I guess at the end of the day if you are well off financially,you can afford to take the moral high ground and pick and choose/boycott certain stores,but if you are not,then you shop where you can afford.We shop at all the stores,but really just cherry pick the offers from each store.This can be time consuming but worthwhile.Instead of boycotting Tesco,just go there and pick out their lossmakers and buy nothing else.If millions did this,it may have more effect than not shopping there at all.:)
#32
schizoboy
loupomm it was Dispatches attacking an easy target really, Tesco is just one of hundreds that act the way they do.

I shop there too without feeling guilty, Councils, Gov, regulation is at fault for most of their practicies, it's down to them to enforce and police rules not for companies to act in a 100% ethical and moral way to not **** off residents or effect other business's, Tesco is within the law.
Pointing your finger at them and moaning achieves nothing.


Thank you :)

no one is perfect, as i said we all have choices to make, up to us indivdually to make ones we can live with :)

my kids need feeding, tesco is within my reach and budget, im afraid thats my choice made
#33
loupomm
Thank you :)

no one is perfect, as i said we all have choices to make, up to us indivdually to make ones we can live with :)

my kids need feeding, tesco is within my reach and budget, im afraid thats my choice made


Agreed lou, although to be fair i would probably choose Tesco anyway.
#34
bazr I tend to do the same mostly between Asda and Tesco, morisson too on occasion but not often, nipping to Waitrose for the odd speciality/treat.
#35
Waitrose is my favorite! I can't afford to shop there weekly, only occasionally. Their bread range is simply superb and choice of seafood and exotic fruits is fantastic. But they are too far away from where I live (20 miles drive) and too expensive. And Tesco Extra is within a mile from me.
#36
BECKYBOO
Agreed lou, although to be fair i would probably choose Tesco anyway.


yeah even if i had more local choice tesco would be my main shop choice, if i have a ride to another i do occasionally but mainly just to see whats out there lol :)
#37
schizoboy
bazr I tend to do the same mostly between Asda and Tesco, morisson too on occasion but not often, nipping to Waitrose for the odd speciality/treat.

Congrats on reaching 2k posts by the way schizoboy,just noticed from your post.Sorry to thread hijack,but i don't recall seeing a post for your 2k.:thumbsup:
#38
bazr
Congrats on reaching 2k posts by the way schizoboy,just noticed from your post.Sorry to thread hijack,but i don't recall seeing a post for your 2k.:thumbsup:



here here well done :)
#39
Schizoboy has the record of reaching 2000 posts with the volume of text that would have earned someone else 20,000 posts...thank you for all your time and effort and all the reasoned comments you put forward on HUKD.

Just a word of mention on Tesco...I shop there and have no axe to grind....it all comes down to choice and convenience and as said on this post they are probably no more guilty that any other large business..it's all about profit and pleasing City investors..and lets be frank Tesco shares have made fortunes for those lucky enough to have massive investments...probably all your pension funds and anyone who has a unit trust..so even if you don't shop there on principle you are still party to their wealth creation.

My brother in law owned a factory on a site that Tesco wanted to purchase about 12 years ago....the pressure he was put under to sell drove him to a nervous breakdown such is the effort they exert when they want something...that despite him becoming a millionaire and being relocated at Tesco's expence.....and guess where my sister shops...got it in one ..Tesco.
#40
I can spam with the best of em :)

It was a 44minute program or so, took me 1h10m to watch and type that out.

To all those with a gripe, I suggest you look into your local paper archives, make some valid points and write to said paper/council/local Gov/ even your MP you might not think it makes a difference, but it can, if you make valid logical points with evidence and sound reason, there is no reason none of them should ignore you. I enlisted the help of my MP many years ago on an unrelated matter and it worked.

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