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I.P. location detection software for a website.

BeemerMad Avatar
banned6y, 11m agoPosted 6 years, 11 months ago
Is there any software out that will collect a persons i.p. and then give me the location of that i.p.?

I would like something like that on a website I am building so I can match the PayPal payment address with the i.p. location (or close enough) so I can verify the account has not been hacked by someone 500 miles away.
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banned6y, 11m agoPosted 6 years, 11 months ago
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#1
As far as I know its not possible and it shouldn't be either very dangerous if you ask me.
You can ring up the ISP and give them the I.P and they might be able to give you details but you'll need a warrant.
You can find out the city though.
#2
Have you thought this through? What if that person is on holiday or at a friends house when they use paypal ? ;-)
#3
was gonna say the same thing about being on holiday or using a mobile phone to access the internet etc
banned#4
trog0
Have you thought this through? What if that person is on holiday or at a friends house when they use paypal ? ;-)


Yes I have mate, obviously I will call them direct if the distance does not feel fit and have a chat with them. :thumbsup: I would prefer to have some software in place to save me calling each and every customer. The chances of an account being hacked or stolen by someone local is pretty slim. I am sure only a few will slip through the net.
banned#5
Met-Cast
As far as I know its not possible and it shouldn't be either very dangerous if you ask me.
You can ring up the ISP and give them the I.P and they might be able to give you details but you'll need a warrant.
You can find out the city though.


Not really dangerous at all, most websites can detect peoples i.p, Google analytics does it and a lot of counter tracking software but I was wanting something more dedicated to just an i.p. and location finder.

Ah right just re-read you post. Yeah it won't give me the exact address but I will already have that in the PayPal payment, as long as the location finder comes close then I will be satisfied, if it is miles and miles away, for example the i.p. was from Glasgow and the address as Norwich I would then call them if they included a phone number. If no phone number I would email asking for a land line number linked to their address as their order was from a City hundreds of miles away to their PayPal address, if they refuse then I just refund. If they are genuine they will give an explanation and hopefully give me a phone number to confirm all details are correct.
#6
It can be done in many ways and there is NOTHING wrong with it. As you rightly suggested, it is used for security purposes as a method of fraud prevention. If you use php, the variable is stored via phpinfo() lookup and I believe Apache server variables also has the information. It is commonly used by online retailers as a security measure. If the IP address does not match that of the person paying by Paypal then simply reject the payment if it is part of your t&c regarding Paypal payments.
#7
BeemerMad
Not really dangerous at all, most websites can detect peoples i.p, Google analytics does it and a lot of counter tracking software but I was wanting something more dedicated to just an i.p. and location finder.

Ah right just re-read you post. Yeah it won't give me the exact address but I will already have that in the PayPal payment, as long as the location finder comes close then I will be satisfied, if it is miles and miles away, for example the i.p. was from Glasgow and the address as Norwich I would then call them if they included a phone number. If no phone number I would email asking for a land line number linked to their address, if they refuse then I just refund.


I fail to see why it is dangerous too. You obviously have thought about it and it is a very sensible course of action to take.
#8
If this interests you, I have looked up a method of obtaining the client IP address using ASP if PHP is not your forte. Use the Server Variable "REMOTE_ADDR" in ASP. I think it is the same variable when using PHP.
[admin]#9
Yes you can use maxmind geoip database.
#10
ElliottC
I fail to see why it is dangerous too. You obviously have thought about it and it is a very sensible course of action to take.


Your saying IP Address = Full Address? (person who said its possible)
IP Address = Not that hard to obtain which'll mean full address isn't that hard to obtain. Invasion of privacy? It wont go into the wrong hands? I could lie and say its for a website (I know OP isn't) but I mean anyone could?

IP Address usually lead to ISP's dont they? I know you can find out the city but as far as I know you cant and you shouldnt be able to get a full address from an I.P
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Met-Cast
Your saying IP Address = Full Address? (person who said its possible)
IP Address = Not that hard to obtain which'll mean full address isn't that hard to obtain. Invasion of privacy? It wont go into the wrong hands? I could lie and say its for a website (I know OP isn't) but I mean anyone could?

IP Address usually lead to ISP's dont they? I know you can find out the city but as far as I know you cant and you shouldnt be able to get a full address from an I.P


No, that isn't what I am saying. The OP asked for the IP address of the client connected terminal and to obtain the location from an IP address. The exact address cannot be obtained but the location can. The OP has already confirmed that obtaining the IP address and tracking down the location is possible and I have pointed out how to obtain the IP address using PHP or ASP. Obtaining a location requires further work involving firing packets to a specific server and obtaining the information back. Note, the location is NOT the exact address as you also point out.
#12
not sure its worth your while, I'm with Sky and sometimes it gives my exact location (30 miles south of Birmingham,) at the moment it says i'm in Carlise, I reguarly get London & Reading. if this is the case for most people you may find you are calling lots of people, and if you phoned me up I would probably just cancel the order.
How do the big companies get over this ? I have never had anyone query my location because of the ip address/location.
#13
ElliottC
No, that isn't what I am saying. The OP asked for the IP address of the client connected terminal and to obtain the location from an IP address. The exact address cannot be obtained but the location can. The OP has already confirmed that obtaining the IP address and tracking down the location is possible and I have pointed out how to obtain the IP address using PHP or ASP. Obtaining a location requires further work involving firing packets to a specific server and obtaining the information back. Note, the location is NOT the exact address as you also point out.


Ahh in that case OP not hard at all :thumbsup:.
banned#14
The Fox
not sure its worth your while, I'm with Sky and sometimes it gives my exact location (30 miles south of Birmingham,) at the moment it says i'm in Carlise, I reguarly get London & Reading. if this is the case for most people you may find you are calling lots of people, and if you phoned me up I would probably just cancel the order.
How do the big companies get over this ? I have never had anyone query my location because of the ip address/location.


The reason behind it is the selling of digital media, it is easily charged back via PayPal and is a scammers dream. They get the contents to an inbox from a hacked PayPal account and by the time the person realises the scammer has ran with the goods and I lose the money in a PayPal charge back.

I have done some searching online and think the only way to at least get close to beating them at their game is i.p. location against PayPal address. I believe most times i.p. location is fairly close? Or is it really a random event and this could not work?

Any help appreciated?

Cheers.
banned#15
Admin
Yes you can use maxmind geoip database.


Just had a quick gander at that, think it is just the trick. Cheers.
#16
You can do this with php, (if you're using it) using http headers :thumbsup:

I think there is something similar for asp too
#17
easy to find and trace etc, but i use hotmail for my paypal. so checking my IP wouldn't necessarily be any use (I'm sure I'm not alone in using a web-based service)
banned#18
stephen4X
easy to find and trace etc, but i use hotmail for my paypal. so checking my IP wouldn't necessarily be any use (I'm sure I'm not alone in using a web-based service)


Hi mate,

Can you explain how this would affect the service I am trying to provide?

I am hoping your i.p. would be from where you placed your order. Then I would scan this with your actual registered PayPal home address.

I am also told via PayPal on my side when you pay if you are verified/unverified, confirmed/unconfirmed and also UNREGISTERED. Now the final one is one to think about, as I think unregistered when I get paid is from someone using a credit/debit card through PayPal to pay me or from someone AND I THINK THIS NEXT ONE IS MY MAIN ONE TO WORRY ABOUT, from someone who has stolen someones account and just changed the email address, hence it states unregistered. The home address will be genuine but the email address is a bogus one so they can accept the media asap and use it. (this is where the software will kick in, i.p. not close to PayPal address will set my alarm clock off).

So say I send them the data they have paid for, if the account has been stolen and the genuine person finds out 3-4 weeks even 3 months later does a charge back I am out of pocket! But with this data protection in place I can at least try and cover myself.

Am I covered via PayPal? I don't want to send a recorded delivery hard copy to every customer as that is not needed and will hit me hard on profits.

As I say I am new to this, just been researching it all. Looking into not getting scammed for digital media delivery. I will send via recorded delivery to the customers address to cover me for PayPal and their recorded delivery legislation, just to show I have sent the product. But only if it is worth while.

I think I can stamp out this potential fraud by doing the i.p. coverage thing and then the follow up phone call to anyone from far away.
#19
this morning it is giving my location as London, last night was Carlisle, i will reconnect later and repost my new location.
what about asking other people to report how close their location is?
http://www.ipaddressworld.com/
then click on geograpical location

OP remove this link if you don't want it,
banned#20
The Fox
this morning it is giving my location as London, last night was Carlisle, i will reconnect later and repost my new location.
what about asking other people to report how close their location is?
http://www.ipaddressworld.com/
then click on geograpical location

OP remove this link if you don't want it,


it tells me I'm in Manchester, I'm in Sunderland, so only the other side of the country!
#21
talk about more hassle than its worth or what lol. mate people get 'hacked (give away their password in other words) all the time, its just a part of using paypal so id leave the security side to your customers and concentrate on your business
#22
new connection, now says i'm in ESKMEALS, (i think thats close to Carlisle) 200 miles out?!!!!
#23
new connection, now says i'm back to LONDON, getting closer 120 miles!!
#24
dcx_badass
What are you using to test it though?



I'm using the link as above (http://www.ipaddressworld.com/)
#25
The majority of the time, the location of the IP address will give you the location of the data centre that the user is connected to
banned#26
apparently im in Sheffield, only 300 miles out

IP Address : 94.196.112.209
Location : UNITED KINGDOM, ENGLAND, SHEFFIELD
#27
ipadressworld only locates your ip server if you don't have a static ip. So traffic allocation sends you to a different ip service thus you appear to move to different locations.

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