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...I wish Arsenal would just shut up...

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[mod] 6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
Constant moaning about needing more protection. These things happen in football.
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[mod] 6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
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#1
Cry me a river !
[mod]#2
iNSOMANiAC
Cry me a river !


They all come out moaning about wanting more protection. Almost as if they are being neglected!! Absolute IDIOTS.
#3
Yep, bacon face is the worst of them all so I wouldnt whinge too much, all the Sky four expect special treatment and usually get it, hence Vidic still being on the pitch in the farce that was the Carling cup final
[mod]#4
iNSOMANiAC
Yep, bacon face is the worst of them all so I wouldnt whinge too much, all the Sky four expect special treatment and usually get it, hence Vidic still being on the pitch in the farce that was the Carling cup final


He was lucky to stay on the pitch but it was far from a farce...
banned#5
theres a team here in scotland that think the refs dont play fair either
#6
Well they could start with wearing full size shin pads and proper boots rather than a kids ruler and flip-flops!
[mod]#7
hncb0809
theres a team here in scotland that think the refs dont play fair either


What sport? Curling or tennis?
#8
a general point-not aimed at any team in particular-In Scotland there is a raging debate over whether we should have full time referees,yet in countries where they do it seems to make no difference to the number of bad decisions does it?

some people subscribe to the view that bad decisions "even themselves out" over a season but tell that to a team robbed of a cup final at club or international level. there really seems to be no sane workable answer does there?
[mod]#9
barky
a general point-not aimed at any team in particular-In Scotland there is a raging debate over whether we should have full time referees,yet in countries where they do it seems to make no difference to the number of bad decisions does it?

some people subscribe to the view that bad decisions "even themselves out" over a season but tell that to a team robbed of a cup final at club or international level. there really seems to be no sane workable answer does there?


No, you are right. I still think they they need the extra officials behind the goal. I am all for controversy but fair play should always prevail...
#10
magicjay1986
He was lucky to stay on the pitch but it was far from a farce...


He wasnt 'lucky' it was a farcical refereeing decision, Stretford should have been down to 10 men for the whole match because the biggest cheat in the game was the last man and deliberately fouled, automatic red.
[mod]#11
iNSOMANiAC
He wasnt 'lucky' it was a farcical refereeing decision, Stretford should have been down to 10 men for the whole match because the biggest cheat in the game was the last man and deliberately fouled, automatic red.


It was not a "deliberate" foul. It was a foul. Deliberate would be swiping the players legs when you are positioned behind the player and not in a realistic position to win the ball. Vidic got around the man. Still, wouldnt mind hearing the reasons why he got away with it.

35 years.
#12
Isnt there a refereeing supervisor in the stands? what if they were in radio contact with the referee like the rugby refs and the try line tv replay adjudicator? could not then,in the instance of the carling cup final(only an example,I am not singling any team out),the supervisor tell the ref that the rules state he MUST send the player off?

In sundays case,I could have understood if the ref missed the foul,by being out of position or whatever but the fact is he saw it clear as day and awarded the penalty so I still dont get why he didnt consider it even a yellow card offence?
[mod]#13
barky
Isnt there a refereeing supervisor in the stands? what if they were in radio contact with the referee like the rugby refs and the try line tv replay adjudicator? could not then,in the instance of the carling cup final(only an example,I am not singling any team out),the supervisor tell the ref that the rules state he MUST send the player off?

In sundays case,I could have understood if the ref missed the foul,by being out of position or whatever but the fact is he saw it clear as day and awarded the penalty so I still dont get why he didnt consider it even a yellow card offence?


I can probably guess his reasons for not sending him off but the letter of the law states he should have gone.

I think you need to maintain the flow of a game of football but also the integrity needs to be there. If it isnt, there are problems.
#14
The point behind it is that we've had 3 broken legs in 4 years.... Although none of them were deliberate, they were all caused by teams going in thinking 'Right, if we go in hard on Arsenal then they'll pull out.' And its that exact mentality that leads to injuries like Ramseys. The way to stop it is by ref's putting down a marker e.g. a booking early on in a game, so they know that those hard and cynical challenges won't be accepted. Also, to raise another point, at no point during any interview with Arsene did he say that it was a malicious challenge, its just been constrewn by the media like that so it makes a good story.
[mod]#15
Brooksie2011
The point behind it is that we've had 3 broken legs in 4 years.... Although none of them were deliberate, they were all caused by teams going in thinking 'Right, if we go in hard on Arsenal then they'll pull out.' And its that exact mentality that leads to injuries like Ramseys. The way to stop it is by ref's putting down a marker e.g. a booking early on in a game, so they know that those hard and cynical challenges won't be accepted. Also, to raise another point, at no point during any interview with Arsene did he say that it was a malicious challenge, its just been constrewn by the media like that so it makes a good story.


As you say, they are NOT deliberate so how can you stop poor mis-timed challenges by booking players early on!? It will still happen. Not just to Arsenal...
#16
These moaning Arsenal fans are the same supporters who were cheering the likes of Patrick Vieira and Martin Keown only 5-10 years back. I also recall Ian Wright getting sent off for going in late twice on Peter Schmeichel years back. Also Dennis Bergkamp breaking Steve Lomas's nose with an intentional elbow in a West Ham Vs Arsenal game years and years back. Arsenal have had more than their fare share of cloggers.

Some Arsenal supporters seriously need to get over themselves and stop using all this as a smoke-screen for the simple facts. Man Utd and Chelsea swat away Arsenal like a fly. Regularly.
[mod]#17
robtallica
These moaning Arsenal fans are the same supporters who were cheering the likes of Patrick Vieira and Martin Keown only 5-10 years back. I also recall Ian Wright getting sent off for going in late twice on Peter Schmeichel years back. Also Dennis Bergkamp breaking Steve Lomas's nose with an intentional elbow in a West Ham Vs Arsenal game years and years back. Arsenal have had more than their fare share of cloggers.

Some Arsenal supporters seriously need to get over themselves and stop using all this as a smoke-screen for the simple facts. Man Utd and Chelsea swat away Arsenal like a fly. Regularly.


Could not have put it better. Keown jumping all over Van Nistelrooy. Thug.

What also aggravates me is that Arsenal string 2 passes together and every single commentator experiences multiple orgasms. United played Arsenal off the park a few weeks ago and they didnt get much credit. Neither do the other teams that play well week in, week out.
#18
magicjay1986
As you say, they are NOT deliberate so how can you stop poor mis-timed challenges by booking players early on!? It will still happen. Not just to Arsenal...

Its the idea that teams have always gone in hard on Arsenal because they think we can't handle it. Its this mentality that is leading to the injuries, as the players go in that little bit harder thinking that the Arsenal player will pull out... Since we have become a more lightweight team (After the invincible season) we have been the most fouled Premiership team, and this year we are the 2nd most fouled. This is what the ref's need to cut down on.
#19
Arsene "I did not see it" Wenger has a very selective memory when it comes to bad tackles and bad discipline.

Here are a couple of interesting quotes from Arsene" the blind man" Wenger here:

"I feel in this special incident I feel there was too much made of it...That doesn't mean it wasn't a mis-timed challenge, but it was without any intention to harm the player."

Mr Wenger talking about William Gallas' "tackle" on Mark Davies. This tackle had a lot more intent than the one against Ramsay.

AND

"(You have to admire) the passion and commitment of the English game. You have to ask yourself if you want to take that out of the game here. When I watch a Serie A game, I'm bored after five minutes. If you want totally clean football, you'll get bored."

Wenger this time defending Arsenal's poor disciplinary record.

AND

Who can forget the Nani showboating incident at Old Trafford a few seasons ago, when half the Arsenal defence tried to smash him over the line.

People in glass houses....
#20
iNSOMANiAC
Yep, bacon face is the worst of them all so I wouldnt whinge too much, all the Sky four expect special treatment and usually get it, hence Vidic still being on the pitch in the farce that was the Carling cup final


Your jealousy aimed at United is almost as boring as the Arsenal everyone's out to get us carp.
banned#21
Brooksie2011
Its the idea that teams have always gone in hard on Arsenal because they think we can't handle it. Its this mentality that is leading to the injuries, as the players go in that little bit harder thinking that the Arsenal player will pull out... Since we have become a more lightweight team (After the invincible season) we have been the most fouled Premiership team, and this year we are the 2nd most fouled. This is what the ref's need to cut down on.


Not all fouls are equal though - Arsenal have a lot of players who get 'easy' free kick's from going down a little 'quicker'....because they're 'cheats' and 'divers'.:whistling:

But seriously, it's a physical game and if other teams think Arsenal can be bullied physically then it's a fair tactic.

Injuries will happen in any sport. You just need to man-up and move on:thumbsup:
[mod]#22
Brooksie2011
Its the idea that teams have always gone in hard on Arsenal because they think we can't handle it. Its this mentality that is leading to the injuries, as the players go in that little bit harder thinking that the Arsenal player will pull out... Since we have become a more lightweight team (After the invincible season) we have been the most fouled Premiership team, and this year we are the 2nd most fouled. This is what the ref's need to cut down on.


Arsenal have convinced themselves that teams go in hard on them and have scarred themselves from this. In Song they have one of the worst culprits for constant fouling and he gets away with it.
banned#23
FilthAndFurry
Not all fouls are equal though - Arsenal have a lot of players who get 'easy' free kick's from going down a little 'quicker'....because they're 'cheats' and 'divers'.:whistling:

But seriously, it's a physical game and if other teams think Arsenal can be bullied physically then it's a fair tactic.

Injuries will happen in any sport. You just need to man-up and move on:thumbsup:


I don't think you've ever posted something I've agreed with so much.

Ars*nal fans have become as embarrassing as their blind manager.
#24
hncb0809
theres a team here in scotland that think the refs dont play fair either


Yep funny how the refs seemed to play fair enough when that team was winning 3 leagues in a row. I wonder how many letter they sent to the sfa, uefa, fifa, the un, nato, starfleet and jim'll fix it then.

as for arsenal it's the same deflection tactic that a certain team in scotland are using to mask their own failings, in arsenals case wengers refusal to add a bit of steel into his mdifield or defence.
#25
People like the OP sicken me. You wait until you've had to endure 3 of your players suffering horrific injuries within the space of 4 years then tell me it's just a coincidence and players don't need any more protection. In fact, I think it was United's best player over the last decade, Ronaldo, that said himself players do not get enough protection here and that would've been one of the reasons among many that he left United. I'm just going to quote one Arsenal blogger because he has made so many points which I completely agree with;

Is it just coincidence? Arsene Wenger said afterwards he doesn't believe in coincidence and I'm with him 100% on this one. I believe that these three injuries are a direct consequence of the 'Arsenal don't like it up 'em' ethos which has become conventional wisdom in recent years.

'They don't like being kicked', the implication that the wimpy foreigners can't take it. And it has been peddled across the football world by reporters, TV pundits, radio commentators, Sky Sports presenters and anyone else you can think of. 'Arsenal don't like it up 'em', as if Arsenal were somehow unique in this. Let me tell you, nobody likes it 'up em'.

No other club has suffered three horrendous injuries like this in the last four years. My honest opinion is that the belief that it's ok to be overly physical with Arsenal because, surprise surprise, they don't like it, is the root cause. If I had to trace it back I think it'd probably start with Sam Allardyce and if I had a time machine that **** would get it good and proper but sadly we can only deal with the here and now.

Before I go on, I'll make this point : I don't think any of the players who carried out these tackles wanted to break another professional's leg. And in that I'm giving Dan Smith the serious benefit of the doubt because his tackle was by far the worst, well late and I think a bit nasty. Even still I don't think he intended to do that kind of damage. Now, let me address the people who say "Well, he's is not that kind of player'.

Duh, you are a ******* moron and you should shut up. Unless the person in question is an actual psychopath of course they're not that kind of player. It goes without saying. Nevertheless they've been told to go out there and get stuck in and give Arsenal a bit extra because, as we all know, they don't like it up 'em. So you have Dan Smith's snide tackle, Martin Taylor's 'reducer' and last night Shawcross's reckless hack at Aaron Ramsey. Did he mean to break his leg? Of course not. Did he want to? No, of course not. The bottom line though is that he did. I feel his tackle was absolutely reckless. If it happened on a football pitch at the very poor level I play at there would have been war, because everyone could see it was unnecessary. At this level of the professional game it was a horrendous challenge.

If I can liken to it something else it's speeding. The young guy in his car who goes out, thinking he's Johnny Invincible, until he careers around a corner too fast and mows down a child. He didn't mean to, but he did it, and he is responsible. "I didn't meant to run the kid over" and "He's not that kind of driver" aren't acceptable excuses in a courtroom so spare me the mealy-mouthed **** over Shawcross (who has previous - Stoke Sentinel, Oct 2007). He looked distraught but his tears don't matter. What matters is that a talented young footballer has been the victim of a ridiculous tackle and his leg is broken in pieces.
#26
FilthAndFurry
Not all fouls are equal though - Arsenal have a lot of players who get 'easy' free kick's from going down a little 'quicker'....because they're 'cheats' and 'divers'.:whistling:

But seriously, it's a physical game and if other teams think Arsenal can be bullied physically then it's a fair tactic.

Injuries will happen in any sport. You just need to man-up and move on:thumbsup:


Yes and there's idiots like you who try to equate diving with players having their legs broken and careers ended. What team has never dived? I'm not going to say we never dive, yet it's the English players like Gerrard and Rooney that I constantly see going over and diving yet because they're English they can't be diving can they? Diving is just for them foreign wusses. Look at the amount of times Gerrard has undeniably dived and Rooney himself admitted he dived after a Champions League gam last season, yet neither of these players had a hate campaign launched against them.

Also no Arsenal fan has a problem with teams being physical against us, in fact it's actually the teams that haven't resorted to trying to kick us off the park that have got points against us this season. But there's a difference between being physical and being reckless and when players have been told pre-match that you have to get stuck into Arsenal, go in that little bit harder than you normally would and just keep fouling if you have to then it leads to a mentality where players will make reckless challenges.

Also to the person that said about players like Keown and Vieira, you're to an extent right. Back then no team would come out and try to continously foul and injure our players when we had people like Vieira and Keown, in fact other teams would be intimidated of these players. That's not to say these players would ever go into challenges and break other players legs, but they'd make sure they were physical and vocal enough to ensure the other team weren't up to these horrible tactics.

This leads to a dilemma for Wenger but I think he's taken the right choice, He could either buy people just because they are agressive and get us to go out there fouling, maybe a break a few players legs but who cares right? It's only a broken leg, no big deal, meant to be a mans game and all that. But this is not right and I'm glad Wenger has opted for football over just fouling. There's no way Ferguson would keep quiet if 3 of his players suffered similar injuries in the same time frame, in fact no manager would, and what do people expect? Are Arsenal and the fans supposed to be happy or just shrug it off as an accident when we see our players getting brutalised almost every game against lower opposition? Whenever a player or manager comes out to the press and says we will be aggressive against Arsenal and make sure they can't play their game, no one says a thing, and when it works Arsenal are just labelled as not strong enough. Until this attitude is stopped and something is done about these reckless challenges, these horrific injuries will continue to happen and I'm already dreading the next one, because it's clear nothing is done about it.
#27
i'd be suprised if anyone actually bothered to read that crazy wall of letters. hurts my eyes anyway.
#28
magicjay1986
Arsenal have convinced themselves that teams go in hard on them and have scarred themselves from this. In Song they have one of the worst culprits for constant fouling and he gets away with it.


So you see Song breaking other players legs? Has he even injured any other players? FFS, you, as well as many others, can't seem to see the difference between playing a physical game and then crossing the boundary and playing a reckless game. There's loads of players like Song that are employed to break up play, Essien, Mascherano and Fletcher are 3 other examples. The amount of fouls I've seen Fletcher do and get away with is astonishing. However I haven't seen him recklessly fly into a challenge and break another players leg, and I'm pretty sure we'd never see Song do that either.
banned#29
Arsenal Fan
Yes and there's idiots like you who try to equate diving with players having their legs broken and careers ended.


Here's where I stopped reading.

I didn't equate the two - I provided a possible explanation for why Arsenal appeared at the number 2 slot on the 'most free kicks' league.

If that's beyond you then I see no point in reading the rest.
#30
ants97
i'd be suprised if anyone actually bothered to read that crazy wall of letters. hurts my eyes anyway.


Well I refuse to stick to one sentence answers without even any correct grammar or punctuation like you seem insistant on. I don't care if anyone bothers to read it but I, along with many other Arsenal fans, have had enough of people trying to defend the indefensivible.
banned#31
ants97
i'd be suprised if anyone actually bothered to read that crazy wall of letters. hurts my eyes anyway.


I gave up after the first sentence. I'm all for reading long posts, but drivel like that could push out a piece of useless trivia I might need in a pub quiz one day.
#32
FilthAndFurry
Here's where I stopped reading.

I didn't equate the two - I provided a possible explanation for why Arsenal appeared at the number 2 slot on the 'most free kicks' league.

If that's beyond you then I see no point in reading the rest.


Tbh I don't think you have the capability to reply anyway so there's no point in you trying to read. To try and make Arsenal out as though they are the only divers in the league when I see so many other players diving week in week out is quite blind on your part, and while I won't deny that some of our players dive, I won't accept that diving is the only reason we're fouled so much.
banned#33
Arsenal Fan
Tbh I don't think you have the capability to reply anyway so there's no point in you trying to read. To try and make Arsenal out as though they are the only divers in the league when I see so many other players diving week in week out is quite blind on your part, and while I won't deny that some of our players dive, I won't accept that diving is the only reason we're fouled so much.


I didn't make out they were the only divers.

You're fouled so much because you play a lot of intricate little passes in tight spaces - Wenger spends a lot of time on it.

It means that you move the ball away from players who are closer and that will inevitably lead to more fouls being picked up.

Now stop whining about it.
#34
Arsenal Fan
Well I refuse to stick to one sentence answers without even any correct grammar or punctuation like you seem insistant on. I don't care if anyone bothers to read it but I, along with many other Arsenal fans, have had enough of people trying to defend the indefensivible.


kind of defeats the purpose if you post a wall of noise that nobody will read. :?

(i'll even include a smilie so that the illiterate will look at the funny little yellow face and smile instead of reading, this is how you should be getting your point across, be user friendly as possible)
#35
Arsenal Fan
People like the OP sicken me. You wait until you've had to endure 3 of your players suffering horrific injuries within the space of 4 years then tell me it's just a coincidence and players don't need any more protection. In fact, I think it was United's best player over the last decade, Ronaldo, that said himself players do not get enough protection here and that would've been one of the reasons among many that he left United. I'm just going to quote one Arsenal blogger because he has made so many points which I completely agree with;


Arsenal Fan
Yes and there's idiots like you who try to equate diving with players having their legs broken and careers ended. What team has never dived? I'm not going to say we never dive, yet it's the English players like Gerrard and Rooney that I constantly see going over and diving yet because they're English they can't be diving can they? Diving is just for them foreign wusses. Look at the amount of times Gerrard has undeniably dived and Rooney himself admitted he dived after a Champions League gam last season, yet neither of these players had a hate campaign launched against them.

Also no Arsenal fan has a problem with teams being physical against us, in fact it's actually the teams that haven't resorted to trying to kick us off the park that have got points against us this season. But there's a difference between being physical and being reckless and when players have been told pre-match that you have to get stuck into Arsenal, go in that little bit harder than you normally would and just keep fouling if you have to then it leads to a mentality where players will make reckless challenges.

Also to the person that said about players like Keown and Vieira, you're to an extent right. Back then no team would come out and try to continously foul and injure our players when we had people like Vieira and Keown, in fact other teams would be intimidated of these players. That's not to say these players would ever go into challenges and break other players legs, but they'd make sure they were physical and vocal enough to ensure the other team weren't up to these horrible tactics.

This leads to a dilemma for Wenger but I think he's taken the right choice, He could either buy people just because they are agressive and get us to go out there fouling, maybe a break a few players legs but who cares right? It's only a broken leg, no big deal, meant to be a mans game and all that. But this is not right and I'm glad Wenger has opted for football over just fouling. There's no way Ferguson would keep quiet if 3 of his players suffered similar injuries in the same time frame, in fact no manager would, and what do people expect? Are Arsenal and the fans supposed to be happy or just shrug it off as an accident when we see our players getting brutalised almost every game against lower opposition? Whenever a player or manager comes out to the press and says we will be aggressive against Arsenal and make sure they can't play their game, no one says a thing, and when it works Arsenal are just labelled as not strong enough. Until this attitude is stopped and something is done about these reckless challenges, these horrific injuries will continue to happen and I'm already dreading the next one, because it's clear nothing is done about it.


Very informative.










I jest
Tl;dr
#36
ants97
kind of defeats the purpose if you post a wall of noise that nobody will read. :?

(i'll even include a smilie so that the illiterate will look at the funny little yellow face and smile instead of reading, this is how you should be getting your point across, be user friendly as possible)


Ok I get you're trying to be funny, but I was just trying to reply seriously to some quite irritating posts because unless something is done this will continue to happen. And I know a lot of people are going to be laughing thinking Arsenal and their fans just cry about anything, but this is quite a serious issue, and not just for Arsenal. For example, if Shawcross hadn't broken Ramsey's leg so horribly and maybe just given him a slight injury that Ramsey needed a few weeks to recover from, would Shawcross have even been booked? I don't think so and we see too many challenges like this.

As I said before but you didn't read, no one minds teams being physical against us because it just doesn't work, we've dropped points to Chelsea, Utd, West Ham, Sunderland, Burnley etc and none of these teams were reckless and overly physical against us, physical yes, but not just hacking and going out there to keep fouling. The teams like Stoke, Hull and Bolton we haven't dropped a point to, so I don't accept that you just have to be physical to get something against Arsenal.
banned#37
I wouldn't have even booked him for the tackle myself.
#38
numptyj
Very informative.
I jest
Tl;dr


That's too long? Have you ever tried reading anything more than a few paragraphs long? :?

Ok, let's just all resort to the mindless 'oh Arsenal are wusses, they can't even take constantly being fouled and having their legs broken, LOL :w00t:'
banned#39
Arsenal Fan
That's too long? Have you ever tried reading anything more than a few paragraphs long? :?

Ok, let's just all resort to the mindless 'oh Arsenal are wusses, they can't even take constantly being fouled and having their legs broken, LOL :w00t:'


What would you like to see done?
#40
Every team has bad tackles happen. It just seems unfortunate that Arsenal seem to come off worse where injuries are concerned.

Liverpool v Everton. Pienaar's tackle on Mascherano was like a leg breaker but he walked away from.

Isn't this the style of play which has made the prem what it is?

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