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Enemy_of_The_State Avatar
6y, 7m agoPosted 6 years, 7 months ago
If the Liberal Democrat party comes power, how soon can we expect their policies to be effective?

Seems Nick Clegg's party will add an extra tax on top of stamp duty. Since it was under Labour's government that it was decided that there will not be any stamp duty for properties of upto £250k, will this change once another party comes to power?
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6y, 7m agoPosted 6 years, 7 months ago
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#1
6 months. Not going to happen though.
#2
You don't think the tax will be introduced? Or you don't think the party will win?
#3
Enemy_of_The_State
You don't think the tax will be introduced? Or you don't think the party will win?


Are you for real? :lol: Libdem have as much chance of forming the next government as the BNP.
#4
Well the opinion polls from the debates seem to put Nick Clegg in the lead.
#5
Enemy_of_The_State
Well the opinion polls from the debates seem to put Nick Clegg in the lead.


It wont happen srs.
#6
Enemy_of_The_State
Well the opinion polls from the debates seem to put Nick Clegg in the lead.


doesnt matter if he is in the lead-the "first past the post" voting system in britain means that even if he stays at his current 36 percent he would only get about 70 seats-we dont have proportional representation here like many other countries do.
#7
Although polls may have them ahead that is just because of how he came across on the live debate. I must admit I took to him and thought he came across well and did sway to the thought of possibly voting for them. However looking into their policies further I doubt I shall.
#8
One of the great disadvantages that the tertiary parties have is their inability to attract enough of the right calibre people to take positions in a cabinet. Sure there are some astute charismatic individuals around but you need many more than they have.

Running this country needs talented and experienced individuals from day one, you cannot turn up after the election and expect some on the job training.

So sadly I reckon its still only a 2 horse race.
#9
if lib dems win i would be on the first plane out of here but they have no chance of forming own government
#10
You all miss the point! There is now very likely to be a hung parliament where the libdems will need to form a coalition with either of the other two main parties in order to form a government. The price of this agreement? PR for Westminster is a minimum with Clegg as say Home Sec and Vince Cable as chancellor. I pray this happens and it will change UK politics for ever and for good.
#11
melipona
One of the great disadvantages that the tertiary parties have is their inability to attract enough of the right calibre people to take positions in a cabinet. Sure there are some astute charismatic individuals around but you need many more than they have.

Running this country needs talented and experienced individuals from day one, you cannot turn up after the election and expect some on the job training.

So sadly I reckon its still only a 2 horse race.

My thoughts exactly. Although, I feel Nick Clegg comes across as a genuine 'nice guy'. His responses to some of the questions make me think he is naive and lacking in experience.
#12
mikezoe65
You all the point! There is now very likely to be a hung parliament where the libdems will need to form a coalition with either of the other two main parties in order to form a government. The price of this agreement? PR for Westminster is a minimum with Clegg as say Home Sec and Vince Cable as chancellor. I pray this happens and it will change UK politics for ever and for good.


No it won't a hung parliament will be a disaster with the country as it is and other peoples opinions of us, we need a good strong election result, I am no fan of the Tories, but I think they will storm home.
#13
Hopefully labour will win again and the cleaner gets an unexpected promotion.
#14
tinkerbell28
No it won't a hung parliament will be a disaster with the country as it is and other peoples opinions of us, we need a good strong election result, I am no fan of the Tories, but I think they will storm home.


It won't be a "disaster" as a labour/lib coalition ran the scottish parliament and right now the snp are doing a fairly decent job as a minority government up here so it can be done without everything falling into the sea.

What it would do however is show up the labour and lib dems lack of integrity as they throw any of their election promises in the wind as long as it meant they'd get to keep their ministerial limo's as happened up here, oh and you'd also be able to see the scheming lib dems stand side by side with labour when something went right but watch them be the first to blame labour and distance themselves from any responsibility when things didn't go so smoothly which again happened up here.

This I'm convinced was one of the reasons scotland turned their backs on labour and the lib dems and gave us an snp minority govt so if the same thing happened at westminster then at the next election watch the english voters turn away from them as well and you may get that storming tory win after all.
#15
the tories should win comfortably but appear to be doing there best too make it close:-D
#16
tinkerbell28
No it won't a hung parliament will be a disaster with the country as it is and other peoples opinions of us, we need a good strong election result, I am no fan of the Tories, but I think they will storm home.


this is just the scaremongering the tories and labour want us to believe-germany has had hung parliaments for the last 20 years and has the strongest economy in europe. I personally believe it would be a GOOD thing if there was a voice of reason on the shoulder of cameron or brown as prime minister-absolute power corrupts,as has been well proven for years.

the tories wont storm home-they will probably be the biggest party,but they wont get an overall majority-the ridiculous voting system in this country means that even in their current position in the polls they will probably only capture about 40 percent of the target seats they need.

labours current majority is HUGE-tories would win from a lower starting point,but unless clegg or brown are exposed as a serial killer in the next 2 weeks we will get a hung parliament for sure. If cameron hadnt agreed to the tv debates the tories would have slaughtered the opposition,but his performance has been woeful-tories havent been in power for 13 years-he should be walking this,but he fails completely imho.
#17
I think a hung parliament would be preferable to the Tories getting in right now. I think the reason that they are still apparently in the lead is that Gordon Brown is not very good at presentation.
If Dave was that admired though the tories should be miles ahead and its just not happened.
People are even defacing their campaign posters now (after they spent so much money on them).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkPu4OlshJ0&NR=1

You can apparently go to mycameron.com and edit the template.
#18
quizmaniac
the tories should win comfortably but appear to be doing there best too make it close:-D


If they win we're totally borked ........i'll never trust or vote for them again after that Thatcher bitch......:x

If the younger generation don't trust the older generation this time round in NOT voting conservative then you can kiss all your luxuries goodbye !
#19
I've been canvassing for lib-dems and the first-time voters are all going lib-dem! Libdems will get 140-150 seats
#20
mikezoe65
I've been canvassing for lib-dems and the first-time voters are all going lib-dem! Libdems will get 140-150 seats


Because pretty boy has been doing well BGT style on live "debates" I do dispair sometimes with this country.

It's xfactor style politics, they would destroy this country looking at their policies, more so, they are even more left than labour, I would rather have the tories in or better still just stick with Labour.
#21
It is a shame that this country does not have a proportional voting system. I live in an area which is considered a Tory safe seat so I don't feel as if my vote will particularly make a difference. My first thought about voting was to vote conservative because I do not want another labour government but I think the lib dem's manifesto puts theirs to shame.

The other thing is that our system encourages tactical canvassing, so far I have yet to have any communication from any of the candidates for the area, disappointing really.
#22
quizmaniac
the tories should win comfortably but appear to be doing there best too make it close:-D


:lol::lol::lol:
#23
starsparkle2311
I laughed at that too, they should not win, end of.


and soooo wont :thumbsup:
#24
starsparkle2311
They won't:thumbsup:

Hi BB btw, you not out tonight?


sorry SS, just seen ur post. No not out tonight. Got a hen night tomorrow and saving my liver for it:-D
#25
ants97
It won't be a "disaster" as a labour/lib coalition ran the scottish parliament and right now the snp are doing a fairly decent job as a minority government up here so it can be done without everything falling into the sea.

What it would do however is show up the labour and lib dems lack of integrity as they throw any of their election promises in the wind as long as it meant they'd get to keep their ministerial limo's as happened up here, oh and you'd also be able to see the scheming lib dems stand side by side with labour when something went right but watch them be the first to blame labour and distance themselves from any responsibility when things didn't go so smoothly which again happened up here.

This I'm convinced was one of the reasons scotland turned their backs on labour and the lib dems and gave us an snp minority govt so if the same thing happened at westminster then at the next election watch the english voters turn away from them as well and you may get that storming tory win after all.


The Lib Dems werent that bad up here, it was them that got us free University and Home Care for the elderly.
Labour took all the glory for it, and the two tried fighting it out again at the next parliament, with Labour saying "look at all the stuff we've done" when they done absolutely nothing.

SNP are our best bet, well tbh the Tories are our best bet, as with the Tories in power at Westminster, just watch the SNP turn that minority government into an overwhelming majority and we get the hell out of the UK.
Hope to god i get to see Independence in my lifetime, we could do it, and at some point we will do it.
Its just getting scottish people to stop listening to the crap spouted by Westminster why we cant leave when it's total scaremongering.

As it is, most the issues in the election dont apply to us anyway, as the UK government has no say in most areas of concern to us. We determine most things ourselves, apart from tax raising powers and Westminster dont want to give us that as we are only outperformed by London not counting all the things like Oil which would bump us up a bit more than we already are.
#26
HaggisHunter
The Lib Dems werent that bad up here, it was them that got us free University and Home Care for the elderly.
Labour took all the glory for it, and the two tried fighting it out again at the next parliament, with Labour saying "look at all the stuff we've done" when they done absolutely nothing.

SNP are our best bet, well tbh the Tories are our best bet, as with the Tories in power at Westminster, just watch the SNP turn that minority government into an overwhelming majority and we get the hell out of the UK.
Hope to god i get to see Independence in my lifetime, we could do it, and at some point we will do it.
Its just getting scottish people to stop listening to the crap spouted by Westminster why we cant leave when it's total scaremongering.

As it is, most the issues in the election dont apply to us anyway, as the UK government has no say in most areas of concern to us. We determine most things ourselves, apart from tax raising powers and Westminster dont want to give us that as we are only outperformed by London not counting all the things like Oil which would bump us up a bit more than we already are.


I don't know why you want to get out of the UK, it seems to me you get a pretty good deal out of it compared to England e.g free university.
#27
StudentJo
I don't know why you want to get out of the UK, it seems to me you get a pretty good deal out of it compared to England e.g free university.


Everyone gets a better deal out of it than England, but we could be a lot better.
Its all about priorities, so each country sets their own priorities and spending on those matters.
Ours is education, as it has been for hundreds of years so money goes to Universities to make the next generation of people that invent and run everything lol.

Scotland, N.I and Wales have their budgets, and do a lot more with it than England does, as they fritter it away on useless rubbish while we have to sit and watch them, then get the blame for it as obviously it must be our fault for stealing all their money lol.

If we ran our own country we wouldnt send tax money to England in order to let them fritter some of it away then send us our pocket money back.
The BBC is an example, 10% of its revenue is Scottish licenses yet we get 2/3% spent on us.
Take that across the board with all UK government agencies as well, our money goes to fund English jobs in those agencies boosting Englands employement figures, then we get money back for the things we are actually in control of.
If Scotland controlled our own DVLA, Tax Office, Passport office etc etc.
Westminster wont give us tax raising powers, as thats a straight 10% drop in their workload and budget so they have to lay off 10% of their workforce, while Scotland takes on more workers to take up the work that should be getting done here anyway, and not outsourced to England.
Scottish money going on Scottish jobs that gets spent in Scotland.
Scotland already has better figures than every other region of the UK apart from London, but London gets money thrown at it from every part of the UK not just us, so added onto their financial sector they are always going to be better off than everyone.

Besides theres so many things that England wants to do with our money that no-one up here is interested in.
ID cards there is an overwhelming majority in parliament here against it.
We already refuse to do the DNA database which saves us some money every year no doubt.
Trident wouldnt be here at all, theres just far too many people against it.

Every time they look at it, to see if Scotland could go Independent, its stuff like this they ignore.
How could we afford it?? We already afford it, while getting none of the benefits.
Oil is a pretty talked about one all the time, but Oil revenue for example is never included in reports if we could go Independent.
How can we trust Westminster figures on independence when things like this are left out, which are to the tune of £Billions a year with a population of only 5/6 Million people.

Scotland would benefit if we left.
And tbh England would benefit as well, as then the MP's would actually have to be accountable.
They would be forced to stop wasting money, just as they have done in the rest of the UK.
Our politicians have to worry about us more, as we can easily vote them out.
We have no 2 party system, and if they mess up, they are history. Simple as.
#28
chelskii
As long as Scotland pay for EVERYTHING including things like their own defence budget etc and don't get a single penny from the rest of Great Britain I see no problem with them going it alone, in fact I think most people will be glad if they do


Thats just the thing, if we go we dont need as big a defence budget for a start.
We'd probably save money, as we pay for Nukes atm even though the majority of Scotland is opposed to them, because we are in the UK and get railroaded into having them.

We'd pretty much do what we do atm, scrap stuff we dont wnat and put in other things we do.
We scraped together enough for free University, the money we save from scrapping Trident and ID cards i wonder what we'd get next, or maybe just pay less tax lol
#29
chelskii
As long as Scotland pay for EVERYTHING including things like their own defence budget etc and don't get a single penny from the rest of Great Britain I see no problem with them going it alone, in fact I think most people will be glad if they do


Fantastic idea .....as ALL Scots would be as rich as Arabs as they'd get their OIL Fields back !!! :roll:

http://resources.schoolscience.co.uk/SPE/knowl/images/fields.gif
#30
HaggisHunter
Everyone gets a better deal out of it than England, but we could be a lot better.
Its all about priorities, so each country sets their own priorities and spending on those matters.
Ours is education, as it has been for hundreds of years so money goes to Universities to make the next generation of people that invent and run everything lol.

Scotland, N.I and Wales have their budgets, and do a lot more with it than England does, as they fritter it away on useless rubbish while we have to sit and watch them, then get the blame for it as obviously it must be our fault for stealing all their money lol.

If we ran our own country we wouldnt send tax money to England in order to let them fritter some of it away then send us our pocket money back.
The BBC is an example, 10% of its revenue is Scottish licenses yet we get 2/3% spent on us.
Take that across the board with all UK government agencies as well, our money goes to fund English jobs in those agencies boosting Englands employement figures, then we get money back for the things we are actually in control of.
If Scotland controlled our own DVLA, Tax Office, Passport office etc etc.
Westminster wont give us tax raising powers, as thats a straight 10% drop in their workload and budget so they have to lay off 10% of their workforce, while Scotland takes on more workers to take up the work that should be getting done here anyway, and not outsourced to England.
Scottish money going on Scottish jobs that gets spent in Scotland.
Scotland already has better figures than every other region of the UK apart from London, but London gets money thrown at it from every part of the UK not just us, so added onto their financial sector they are always going to be better off than everyone.

Besides theres so many things that England wants to do with our money that no-one up here is interested in.
ID cards there is an overwhelming majority in parliament here against it.
We already refuse to do the DNA database which saves us some money every year no doubt.
Trident wouldnt be here at all, theres just far too many people against it.

Every time they look at it, to see if Scotland could go Independent, its stuff like this they ignore.
How could we afford it?? We already afford it, while getting none of the benefits.
Oil is a pretty talked about one all the time, but Oil revenue for example is never included in reports if we could go Independent.
How can we trust Westminster figures on independence when things like this are left out, which are to the tune of £Billions a year with a population of only 5/6 Million people.

Scotland would benefit if we left.
And tbh England would benefit as well, as then the MP's would actually have to be accountable.
They would be forced to stop wasting money, just as they have done in the rest of the UK.
Our politicians have to worry about us more, as we can easily vote them out.
We have no 2 party system, and if they mess up, they are history. Simple as.


Thanks for sharing that, it is interesting to hear it from another perspective. A lot of this frittering away you talk about winds me up too which is why I do not want to see this government in power again after the elections. What do you think is the best outcome of the election for England?
#31
If people are unable to really remember the effects of the last Tory government on the regular working person they may be more likely to vote for them.
IMO if they were to win with a sizeable majority it would be a disaster for many who were not really quite comfortable to start with.
Labour has done many good things whilst they have been in office but they have not had the press on their side for a while now and there has been a world recession to contend with. I dont think the conservatives would have handled things better.
I think its interesting that Lib Dems appear to have emerged as such a force. They seem to have done well running many local councils. But never been tested in government. Hung parliaments have been commonplace in Germany for years so imo it does not automatically follow that a hung parliament would be bad for the UK. If LDs formed a coalition with the tories, it may temper some of the tories extreme policies. Imo if people cant bring themselves to vote labour again the LDs may be a good option.
#32
StudentJo
Thanks for sharing that, it is interesting to hear it from another perspective. A lot of this frittering away you talk about winds me up too which is why I do not want to see this government in power again after the elections. What do you think is the best outcome of the election for England?


I'm assuming your not old enough to know what it was like when Conservative were in power !! :roll:

[size=3]If Conservative get in you'll definately know what hard times will be.......you have been warned !!! [/size]:thumbsup:
#33
Their policies will start immediately. The effects will show as soon as administration can get them into force. However, it seems a vote for Lib Dems will be a vote for a hung party co-allition with the conservatives. David Cameron will be Prime Minister with Nick Clegg as one of the top officials on the cabinet. I'm not sure whether a co-allition is the way forward though.

However if a co-allition party is not created, Gordon Brown stays in at No.10 and his party will run the country on a minority basis.
#34
mikezoe65
You all miss the point! There is now very likely to be a hung parliament where the libdems will need to form a coalition with either of the other two main parties in order to form a government. The price of this agreement? PR for Westminster is a minimum with Clegg as say Home Sec and Vince Cable as chancellor. I pray this happens and it will change UK politics for ever and for good.


I agree this will bring a major reform.....not sure it will be for good, but time will tell
#35
Mecoconuts
Fantastic idea .....as ALL Scots would be as rich as Arabs as they'd get their OIL Fields back !!! :roll:

http://resources.schoolscience.co.uk/SPE/knowl/images/fields.gif


Exactly!! UK would be knackered without scottish oil
#36
HaggisHunter
Thats just the thing, if we go we dont need as big a defence budget for a start.
We'd probably save money, as we pay for Nukes atm even though the majority of Scotland is opposed to them, because we are in the UK and get railroaded into having them.

We'd pretty much do what we do atm, scrap stuff we dont wnat and put in other things we do.
We scraped together enough for free University, the money we save from scrapping Trident and ID cards i wonder what we'd get next, or maybe just pay less tax lol


Since when did this turn into a thread about Scottish Independence?
I think it would be great for England. If nothing else we'd be rid of Salmond, Brown and Andy Murray !

As I understand it, significantly more UK tax is spent in Scotland than is raised there. Independence would mean no more lovely English tax money, so you'd be screwed.
Flip it round, and I cannot see a single benefit to England of continued union with Scotland.

If you retain the £ then the Bank of England will effectively maintain overall control of your finances. If you decide to ditch the £, would you invent a new Scottish currency, or would you join the Euro?

Is this not all to do with misplaced Nationalist pride?
#37
Mecoconuts
I'm assuming your not old enough to know what it was like when Conservative were in power !! :roll:

[size=3]If Conservative get in you'll definately know what hard times will be.......you have been warned !!! [/size]:thumbsup:


Rather than rolling your eyes at my youthful ignorance why don't actually tell me 'what it was like'.

I have based my comments on what I have seen this government do in my life that has affected me. I am really struggling to think of anything positive while I can think of lots of things I didn't like.
#38
Been attempting to find an old thread which I had pasted a link into re interest rates.
Think thread must have been spammed but here is a similar link

http://www.moneyextra.com/dictionary/interest-rate-history-003455.html
Shows the difference between interest rates over many years. You can maybe work out what years were labour and what were conservative. Labour won the 1997 election. Imagine interest repayments at 15%.. And they (tories), were not having to deal with a world recession at the time.

http://www.mortgages.co.uk/interest-rates/how-interest-rates-effect-mortgage-repayments.html
#39
chelskii
Well Mr Roll eyes I am not sure what you mean by "getting them back" as I was unaware that they actually had an oil industry with rigs etc and it was taken away, when did that happen ?.

And who cares if they become rich, as long as they don't get a single penny from the rest of the UK that will be fine by me as I am sure the rest of the UK will somehow survive....


Totally pointless statement as it'll never happen anyway ......:roll:
#40
StudentJo
Thanks for sharing that, it is interesting to hear it from another perspective. A lot of this frittering away you talk about winds me up too which is why I do not want to see this government in power again after the elections. What do you think is the best outcome of the election for England?


The best outcome for England i dont truly know.
Long-term then England needs its own parliament, just as Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have.
England is the only country in the Union without its own, so everything gets bogged down at Westminster. And tbh no matter who is in power, when things go through Westminster it always gets messed up.

LazyDonkey
Since when did this turn into a thread about Scottish Independence?
I think it would be great for England. If nothing else we'd be rid of Salmond, Brown and Andy Murray !

As I understand it, significantly more UK tax is spent in Scotland than is raised there. Independence would mean no more lovely English tax money, so you'd be screwed.
Flip it round, and I cannot see a single benefit to England of continued union with Scotland.

If you retain the £ then the Bank of England will effectively maintain overall control of your finances. If you decide to ditch the £, would you invent a new Scottish currency, or would you join the Euro?

Is this not all to do with misplaced Nationalist pride?


Thats the problem, England thinks they bail Scotland out with money when it is quite the reverse.
The Oil issue, no studies done by Westminster have ever took into account the money Scotland would gain from control over the Oil fields.
Why do you think that is?
Last time i looked it was sitting at about £10Billion a year going into the UK treasury, Scotland would gain pretty much 90% of this, yet why is it not included in studies done?
How can you do a study on if Scotland could be independent and not work out what happens to £10Billion (£9Billion of ours) of oil revenue.
We dont need to buy new oil rigs and stuff like that, people that say that are just living on their own little planet, we just let the companies drill, while we collect tax revenue pretty much like the UK does atm.

London outperforms Scotland, but Scotland outperforms every other region in England,and also Wales and Northern Ireland.
Glasgow gets pointed out as a bad performer, but its not even as bad as areas in England, and it gets balanced out within Scotland with the better areas.
The bad areas in Glasgow probably get balanced out with the Snobby areas, so its balanced out within Glasgow without going any further.
Problem is, areas like the north-east of England perform worse, and can have populations far larger than Scotland since we only have a population of about 5.5Million total.

This is exactly the reason London doesnt want to give us any more power, like power over our own taxes.
We got a taste with Devolution, and even our own MSP's, including Labour, want more power as controlling our own taxes would benefit us more.
They obviously wouldnt want it if it didnt.
Any sensible person can tell we wouldnt want our own tax powers if it left us with a big black hole with less money lol.
And London wouldnt fight us so much if it didnt benefit them having us.

As for currency, we already have our own notes in circulation, we just take control over it ourselves.
Dont see the problem in that at all.

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