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Im looking at getting my husband a scooter/motorbike 125cc and a CBT test for his christmas present, but I am wondering if it is really worth it. I am doing it to save on petrol from my car as I …
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5y, 9m agoPosted 5 years, 9 months ago
Im looking at getting my husband a scooter/motorbike 125cc and a CBT test for his christmas present, but I am wondering if it is really worth it.

I am doing it to save on petrol from my car as I have to give him lifts to work/gym all the time and I feel a bike would help out so much.

But I have been reading that using a bike in the rain is life threatening. Is that people just being OTT, or would the bike basically become useless in the winter and longer?

Also I have been looking on Ebay for bikes as Im not sure where is best and I have noticed a few scooters that come delivered and you have to do minimal assembly to it, like put the front wheel on. Then you have to register it as BN to DVLA, are these any good? I always thought bikes were made solid by the manufacture.

Any advice at all for a starter would be greatful. Fed up of my car eating £10 of petrol every 1.5 days!
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#2
Thank you. I will have a read through now x
2 Likes #3
Stay clear of "kit scooters" or cheap eBay

I sat my CBT just over 2 years ago and the bought a new Honda CBF125 (about £2k now, but can be purchased for around £1200 SH)

This bike paid for itself within 1 year for me, filling the tank at £15, gave me around 350 miles!

As with all vehicles, they react different to both weather and driver - ride slower / more careful in the rain/wind, try to avoid snowy / icy days - basically use your common sense

Probably not the best time to start to ride a bike around Christmas as weather and road conditions may dent his learning and make him over cautious

I'm nearly 40, and wish I had done this earlier . . . I have now passed my "big bike test" and such have moved onto a bigger bike and ridden it everywhere

Hope this helps
1 Like #4
Dont touch any cheap Chinese bikes on ebay, they are truly awful. Fall apart, rust, badly made etc etc, Stick to decent names, paiggio, honda etcetc.

Driving in the rain, i guess it all depends how big your balls are and how confident you are.
#5
phoenix72
Stay clear of "kit scooters" or cheap eBay

I sat my CBT just over 2 years ago and the bought a new Honda CBF125 (about £2k now, but can be purchased for around £1200 SH)

This bike paid for itself within 1 year for me, filling the tank at £15, gave me around 350 miles!

As with all vehicles, they react different to both weather and driver - ride slower / more careful in the rain/wind, try to avoid snowy / icy days - basically use your common sense

Probably not the best time to start to ride a bike around Christmas as weather and road conditions may dent his learning and make him over cautious

I'm nearly 40, and wish I had done this earlier . . . I have now passed my "big bike test" and such have moved onto a bigger bike and ridden it everywhere

Hope this helps


Maybe its best if I keep it till his birthday in May once the weather cheers up.
Im glad you have said about the Kit scooters, I was a bit taken back that I would have to build it a little, thinking what will happen if I didn't put the wheel on properly lol

So really I am best sticking with a proper vehicle name like Honda, Peugeot. £15 for £350 miles is fantastic, I pay about £75 for 300 miles in my car. It eats my petrol.
#6
greenmachine12
Dont touch any cheap Chinese bikes on ebay, they are truly awful. Fall apart, rust, badly made etc etc, Stick to decent names, paiggio, honda etcetc.

Driving in the rain, i guess it all depends how big your balls are and how confident you are.


Is it really that bad in the rain? He would only be doing say 3 miles there and 3 miles back.

Also there are lots of hills on the way to the gym, would the bike struggle~?
banned#7
wet weather riding is fine. Despite what the scare mongers say. Just as in a car back off the throttle give more room in front for stopping. Don't over do the lean angle and watch out for oil in the middle of the road.

I suggest cg125 look on ebay for second hand ones. CBT is £99 most places so don't pay more.
banned 1 Like #8
6 mile round trip? Just get him to use a bicycle.
#9
I'd avoid the road's on a bike if it's icy, In fact I only travel in car in icy condition's if I have too.
#10
whatsThePoint
greenmachine12
Dont touch any cheap Chinese bikes on ebay, they are truly awful. Fall apart, rust, badly made etc etc, Stick to decent names, paiggio, honda etcetc.

Driving in the rain, i guess it all depends how big your balls are and how confident you are.


What a stupid thing to say, Wet weather riding has nothing to do with balls, as you would know if you had any


How is it? Some people will look out and go "Oo look its a bit wet outside there today, better not take the bike, will drive the car"

When others will go "Its only a bit of rain and drive fine".

I had scooters/bikes for 5 years, i never had any problems with the rain, bar once when i had to brake suddenly, hit a pothole that had no grip due to the rain.

Its like in a car, you just have to drive differently.

I would personally say, a derestricted with aftermarket exhuast (noisy though) 50cc scooter would be fine. Not the fastest, but would get up to 50mph fine.

125CC is obviously a better bet as will have more power, and wont be such a strain.
#11
He used to have a pedal bike, but since moving where we live now its just not bike friendly at all.
Plus im sick of being made to pop out to the shops for this and that as im the only one that drives.
This way he can go and do it for himself :)

He walks home from work some nights if its after kids bedtime and he will walk up the gym if I say no. But I think it will be nice for him to have his own run around and freedom a bit

Edited By: beth3735 on Jun 13, 2011 10:06
#12
beth3735
He used to have a bike, but since moving where we live now its just not bike friendly at all.
Plus im sick of being made to pop out to the shops for this and that as im the only one that drives.
This way he can go and do it for himself :)

He walks home from work some nights if its after kids bedtime and he will walk up the gym if I say no. But I think it will be nice for him to have his own run around and freedom a bit


You could get a decent scooter for under £500 really, cbt for £100 + hire of a bike from them, insurance wouldnt be too bad due to the age of your husband. Looking probably around £800.
1 Like #13
Great idea for a present.
Get good kit - it does make a difference if something goes wrong. Lidls or is it Aldis, anyway, one of them occassionally does reasonalbe bike gear at a cheap price. I would suggest going to a bike shop to get a helmet sized properly. They will try to sell you a £400 helmet "ehatis your head worth?" but they are not that much better than a £75 one. The gloves, jacket, trousers, boots will cost you in total several hundred. My last pair of boots cost me £80. They were written off in my last crash. My shin survived intact though. You can buy jackets etc in Gumtree for good prices too, though make sure it has not been damaged in a crash. Do not buy 2nd hand helmets.

You can get good prices on ebay for a decent bike/scooter but you need to know what you are looking for. Dealers are more expensive but there is piece of mind in buying from them.

Look up your local CBT trainers - you can probably hire a bike to get the CBT. See if your hubbie takes to it first before buying one.
#14
thank you all for all your help,I don't feel as much like I am buying him an early grave with this anymore.

Will take all advice into consideration when it comes to buying the bike and kit :) x
#15
Hey Beth...I've a few comments that others haven't made. I had a car, then when I moved area I could only afford a scooter, and I've gone back to driving a car...but there's benefits for sure.

Good call on getting a 125cc scooter. I got a 100cc scooter (a Honda Lead) and it did struggle at times. When I told the dealer I was 13 stone, he said I didn't look that heavy, but that is a fair weight for a 100cc scooter. That said, it went 45/50mph and that was enough for me!

Book the CBT at a reputable place - if they're good, they'll tell you what to do in wet weather conditions, around heavy traffic etc. I rode my scooter until my CBT certificate ran out (I never took my test) and I never fell off or got knocked off once. In wet weather, the worst thing is manhole covers - they're slippy in rain...but you get told to watch out for them.

The thing you need to consider is how absolutely miserable it is going anywhere in extreme cold or rain. You should also budget to buy him some good waterpoof gear, a helmet that won't steam up too easy and some nice warm gloves. A few miles feels like forever when you're wet and cold!

Don't think about it too much - get it for him...and do it now just before the Summer kicks in. Once he's been riding in the sun for a few months, he'll have the bug and winter won't seem so miserable!

Petrol and tax are mega-cheap in comparison to running a car. I found bike insurance to be relatively costly - mine cost about £300 for my first year. Bear that in mind too.
#16
whatsThePoint
greenmachine12
whatsThePoint
greenmachine12
Dont touch any cheap Chinese bikes on ebay, they are truly awful. Fall apart, rust, badly made etc etc, Stick to decent names, paiggio, honda etcetc.

Driving in the rain, i guess it all depends how big your balls are and how confident you are.


What a stupid thing to say, Wet weather riding has nothing to do with balls, as you would know if you had any


How is it? Some people will look out and go "Oo look its a bit wet outside there today, better not take the bike, will drive the car"

When others will go "Its only a bit of rain and drive fine".

I had scooters/bikes for 5 years, i never had any problems with the rain, bar once when i had to brake suddenly, hit a pothole that had no grip due to the rain.

Its like in a car, you just have to drive differently.

I would personally say, a derestricted with aftermarket exhuast (noisy though) 50cc scooter would be fine. Not the fastest, but would get up to 50mph fine.

125CC is obviously a better bet as will have more power, and wont be such a strain.



Making a choice between staying dry or getting wet is just a choice, its not a display of masculinity

Oh here we go, the childish talk of if you fit a noisy exhaust you'll gain 20mph X)

Which reminds me
OP this is the most important thing to remember when buying a scooter or bike
If the seller is a spotty faced youth, walk away
If the seller is a spotty face youth who claims they have had it raced tuned by their mate down the pub to do 50mph by taking the baffle out, walk away quicker


If you get a properly tuned 50cc you can easily get 50mph out of it, simply removing the washer from the drive belt, and cutting/welding the restrictors on the stock exhaust can you give a massive "power" gain.
#17
Whats the point, look at this site, if the bike comes restricted to 30mph. That site proves, by de-restricting the bike fully, adding a "noisy" exhaust, lighter rollers etc, its very easy to get a 50cc bike to do over 50mph.

The dyno proves it, the only reason the "restricted" bike is at 45mph on that graph is as it is an american company, so expect the restriction rules are different.

http://highgaintuning.blogspot.com/2011/02/leovince-pipe-shoot-out.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rlxykyZhlaE/TUpaGj6iShI/AAAAAAAAABQ/HfzbyOzEkUo/s1600/007.jpg


Even the below picture proves that by adding a "noisy" exhaust you can double the HP of the bike.

http://www.pedparts.co.uk/ekmps/shops/thebikeshop/resources/Design/dyn.jpg


Edited By: greenmachine12 on Jun 13, 2011 11:35
#18
SirBargainsALot
Hey Beth...I've a few comments that others haven't made. I had a car, then when I moved area I could only afford a scooter, and I've gone back to driving a car...but there's benefits for sure.

Good call on getting a 125cc scooter. I got a 100cc scooter (a Honda Lead) and it did struggle at times. When I told the dealer I was 13 stone, he said I didn't look that heavy, but that is a fair weight for a 100cc scooter. That said, it went 45/50mph and that was enough for me!

Book the CBT at a reputable place - if they're good, they'll tell you what to do in wet weather conditions, around heavy traffic etc. I rode my scooter until my CBT certificate ran out (I never took my test) and I never fell off or got knocked off once. In wet weather, the worst thing is manhole covers - they're slippy in rain...but you get told to watch out for them.

The thing you need to consider is how absolutely miserable it is going anywhere in extreme cold or rain. You should also budget to buy him some good waterpoof gear, a helmet that won't steam up too easy and some nice warm gloves. A few miles feels like forever when you're wet and cold!

Don't think about it too much - get it for him...and do it now just before the Summer kicks in. Once he's been riding in the sun for a few months, he'll have the bug and winter won't seem so miserable!

Petrol and tax are mega-cheap in comparison to running a car. I found bike insurance to be relatively costly - mine cost about £300 for my first year. Bear that in mind too.


My husband is about 13st too, but built not fat, I did start looking at the 50cc, but have decided its definatly a 125cc he needs. I did get a quote on a bike that was for sale on Ebay and they wanted just over £550 for the year for him. I was shocked, its £200 more than I pay a year for my car lol But I know he needs to start somewhere.

He isn't willing to learn to drive, but has spoke a few times about a bike. So I feel if I buy it and book the course then he will finally get the urge to get off his bum really :p I think he will also like that little bit of freedom to get up and go to the gym even if kids are in bed.
#19
beth3735
I think he will also like that little bit of freedom to get up and go to the gym even if kids are in bed.


Bet he finds another excuse!
#20
I've not read the whole thread but does your hubby know about your proposed present? He may not even want one.
#21
greenmachine12
whatsThePoint
greenmachine12
whatsThePoint
greenmachine12
Dont touch any cheap Chinese bikes on ebay, they are truly awful. Fall apart, rust, badly made etc etc, Stick to decent names, paiggio, honda etcetc.

Driving in the rain, i guess it all depends how big your balls are and how confident you are.


What a stupid thing to say, Wet weather riding has nothing to do with balls, as you would know if you had any


How is it? Some people will look out and go "Oo look its a bit wet outside there today, better not take the bike, will drive the car"

When others will go "Its only a bit of rain and drive fine".

I had scooters/bikes for 5 years, i never had any problems with the rain, bar once when i had to brake suddenly, hit a pothole that had no grip due to the rain.

Its like in a car, you just have to drive differently.

I would personally say, a derestricted with aftermarket exhuast (noisy though) 50cc scooter would be fine. Not the fastest, but would get up to 50mph fine.

125CC is obviously a better bet as will have more power, and wont be such a strain.



Making a choice between staying dry or getting wet is just a choice, its not a display of masculinity

Oh here we go, the childish talk of if you fit a noisy exhaust you'll gain 20mph X)

Which reminds me
OP this is the most important thing to remember when buying a scooter or bike
If the seller is a spotty faced youth, walk away
If the seller is a spotty face youth who claims they have had it raced tuned by their mate down the pub to do 50mph by taking the baffle out, walk away quicker


If you get a properly tuned 50cc you can easily get 50mph out of it, simply removing the washer from the drive belt, and cutting/welding the restrictors on the stock exhaust can you give a massive "power" gain.


Lol @ 'massive' power gain :D
#22
deek72
greenmachine12
whatsThePoint
greenmachine12
whatsThePoint
greenmachine12
Dont touch any cheap Chinese bikes on ebay, they are truly awful. Fall apart, rust, badly made etc etc, Stick to decent names, paiggio, honda etcetc.

Driving in the rain, i guess it all depends how big your balls are and how confident you are.


What a stupid thing to say, Wet weather riding has nothing to do with balls, as you would know if you had any


How is it? Some people will look out and go "Oo look its a bit wet outside there today, better not take the bike, will drive the car"

When others will go "Its only a bit of rain and drive fine".

I had scooters/bikes for 5 years, i never had any problems with the rain, bar once when i had to brake suddenly, hit a pothole that had no grip due to the rain.

Its like in a car, you just have to drive differently.

I would personally say, a derestricted with aftermarket exhuast (noisy though) 50cc scooter would be fine. Not the fastest, but would get up to 50mph fine.

125CC is obviously a better bet as will have more power, and wont be such a strain.



Making a choice between staying dry or getting wet is just a choice, its not a display of masculinity

Oh here we go, the childish talk of if you fit a noisy exhaust you'll gain 20mph X)

Which reminds me
OP this is the most important thing to remember when buying a scooter or bike
If the seller is a spotty faced youth, walk away
If the seller is a spotty face youth who claims they have had it raced tuned by their mate down the pub to do 50mph by taking the baffle out, walk away quicker


If you get a properly tuned 50cc you can easily get 50mph out of it, simply removing the washer from the drive belt, and cutting/welding the restrictors on the stock exhaust can you give a massive "power" gain.


Lol @ 'massive' power gain :D


Anything on a 50cc feels like a "massive" power gain, haha.
#23
whatsThePoint
@ greenmachine yawn Zzzzz
But its comical that your so called power boosting exhaust drops the hp down to below 1 hp lol
No wonder milk floats are faster at pulling away

PS my garelli tiger moped used to do over 50 as standard and had more power than your "tuned" engine


How come your so funny over it? You just said adding a "noisy" exhaust doesnt make it go over 50 and its childish talk, thats complete rubbish, i just proved it does. Instead of accepting you got it wrong, your happy to be even more childish.

When did you have your moped? Late 70's? Rules were a lot different then, a standard unrestricted moped is fine. But they have to buid them to supid EU rules now.



Edited By: greenmachine12 on Jun 13, 2011 12:52
banned#24
deek72
I've not read the whole thread but does your hubby know about your proposed present? He may not even want one.


course he does deek ....who would,nt want a bike.
#25
RFC
deek72
I've not read the whole thread but does your hubby know about your proposed present? He may not even want one.


course he does deek ....who would,nt want a bike.


Suppose so. I once had a dream that I was having a go on some massively fast motorbike. Gotta say it was my all time favourite dream (well, apart from one I had about Cameron Diaz) :D

Edited By: deek72 on Jun 13, 2011 13:11
#26
RFC
deek72
I've not read the whole thread but does your hubby know about your proposed present? He may not even want one.


course he does deek ....who would,nt want a bike.


Yes he would like one, He just isnt one for doing anything about it :p Plus really whether he wants one or not I am giving up being his chauffeur, at 32 its about time he gets his own transport :)
banned#27
greenmachine12
beth3735
He used to have a bike, but since moving where we live now its just not bike friendly at all.
Plus im sick of being made to pop out to the shops for this and that as im the only one that drives.
This way he can go and do it for himself :)

He walks home from work some nights if its after kids bedtime and he will walk up the gym if I say no. But I think it will be nice for him to have his own run around and freedom a bit


You could get a decent scooter for under £500 really, cbt for £100 + hire of a bike from them, insurance wouldnt be too bad due to the age of your husband. Looking probably around £800.
£800? I'm 17 and got plenty of quotes for around £500-£600 for a 125cc sports bike. I would say it would be around £400
#28
shergold
greenmachine12
beth3735
He used to have a bike, but since moving where we live now its just not bike friendly at all.
Plus im sick of being made to pop out to the shops for this and that as im the only one that drives.
This way he can go and do it for himself :)

He walks home from work some nights if its after kids bedtime and he will walk up the gym if I say no. But I think it will be nice for him to have his own run around and freedom a bit


You could get a decent scooter for under £500 really, cbt for £100 + hire of a bike from them, insurance wouldnt be too bad due to the age of your husband. Looking probably around £800.
£800? I'm 17 and got plenty of quotes for around £500-£600 for a 125cc sports bike. I would say it would be around £400


I kind of assumed the £800 was all in total. I really hope he didnt mean insurance now as I was hoping husband would pay for that. oO lol

Does anyone know where is the best place apart from Ebay to look for 2nd hand bikes. Looked on Auto trader, but not many local.
banned#29
Could always try Gumtree. Plenty of bikes on there.
#30
where abouts do you stay?

try "go compare" for insurance, I'd say he will be around £250 -£400 for insurance for first year, then you can virtually half if for next year if he keeps same bike / scooter with no claims
#31
phoenix72
where abouts do you stay?

try "go compare" for insurance, I'd say he will be around £250 -£400 for insurance for first year, then you can virtually half if for next year if he keeps same bike / scooter with no claims


Im in Swansea, Found a nice bike for a nice price in Cardiff, but its getting it back here. Even though I could ride it back on my car full licence I wouldn't feel confident.
Insurance around that price seems great. Just need to get a bike now :)
#32
with scooters/bike s you get what you pay for i had a cheap one to start off with around £1000 then upgraded to a vespa gts around £3000 mark you could see where the money was spent the vespa was great cost me around a fiver a week on petrol and cheap insurance etc. As for winter they are dangerous I had mine out in rain/snow/frost and came off mine in heavy rain not nice - actually put me off driving a scoot and the next year or so i was very cagey ended up buying a car

but if he takes his time avoids wet drains, leaves and takes corners slowly he should be fine - anyone will tel you when you uy a two wheeler it is not a question of will you come off it it is a question of when

insurance like cars depends on age i'm in my 20's and my insurance was around £150 a year

Edited By: shedboy66 on Jun 13, 2011 19:46
#33
shergold
greenmachine12
beth3735
He used to have a bike, but since moving where we live now its just not bike friendly at all.
Plus im sick of being made to pop out to the shops for this and that as im the only one that drives.
This way he can go and do it for himself :)

He walks home from work some nights if its after kids bedtime and he will walk up the gym if I say no. But I think it will be nice for him to have his own run around and freedom a bit


You could get a decent scooter for under £500 really, cbt for £100 + hire of a bike from them, insurance wouldnt be too bad due to the age of your husband. Looking probably around £800.
£800? I'm 17 and got plenty of quotes for around £500-£600 for a 125cc sports bike. I would say it would be around £400


I meant in total!
banned#34
CBT is £99 including bike hire

don't pay anyone £99 and to hire the bike from them as someone mistakenly mentioned above
banned#35
£88 3rd party only with no years worth of no claims.
#36
dga
Is anyone else trying figure out if 1bhp is even enough to get a 140kg object with a poor drag coefficient up to 55mph?


Ah yes, as its 1bhp all the time isnt it. Silly me.

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