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India is phasing out the daily track inspections conducted by an army of 125,000 engineers across its vast colonial-era railway network, as ministers attempt to put an end to the blight of deadly dera… Read More
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3m, 2w agoPosted 3 months, 2 weeks ago
India is phasing out the daily track inspections conducted by an army of 125,000 engineers across its vast colonial-era railway network, as ministers attempt to put an end to the blight of deadly derailments.

The plan to bring in electronic sensors on tens of thousands of kilometres of track is part of a wider programme to improve railway safety, to which finance minister Arun Jaitley allocated $15bn in last week’s Budget, and follows three serious derailments in the past three months.

“We will be using wheel-based sensors and fixed monitors at certain positions on the track to measure whether they are fractured,” said Hanish Yadav, an adviser to rail minister Suresh Prabhu. He added that the sensors would take several years to install throughout the broad-gauge network.

India’s rail system is one of the largest in the world, carrying 20m passengers a day, and is the country’s largest employer, with about 1.3m staff. But it is also in need of modernisation, with many parts of its infrastructure more than 100 years old.
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It would help if passengers realised you sat in the train and not on the outside.
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It would help if passengers realised you sat in the train and not on the outside.


It's a different life there but my last visit in 2009 I didn't see anyone on the trains maybe in areas I'm not familiar with. But in the past I've seen people on the buses too which doesn't seem to happen much anymore.
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airfix
It would help if passengers realised you sat in the train and not on the outside.
It's a different life there but my last visit in 2009 I didn't see anyone on the trains maybe in areas I'm not familiar with. But in the past I've seen people on the buses too which doesn't seem to happen much anymore.
True. Much progress has been made but a long way to go.
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it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
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airfix
It would help if passengers realised you sat in the train and not on the outside.

One of my fond memories of India trips was drinking tea sat on the roof of a train with my new friends, I had done the first class trip a number of times and much preferred to sit on the roof.
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MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.

I was watching a program the other day about empire they said indian prisoners from revolts were strapped to the front of cannons because hindus think you have to be in one piece to be reincarnated, so it was a double death.

So why given the mess made by trains and large vehicles are they so foolhardy around them.
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MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
I was watching a program the other day about empire they said indian prisoners from revolts were strapped to the front of cannons because hindus think you have to be in one piece to be reincarnated, so it was a double death.
So why given the mess made by trains and large vehicles are they so foolhardy around them.
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/10/article-2451643-18A5B0A900000578-381_634x356.jpg
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MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
I was watching a program the other day about empire they said indian prisoners from revolts were strapped to the front of cannons because hindus think you have to be in one piece to be reincarnated, so it was a double death.
So why given the mess made by trains and large vehicles are they so foolhardy around them.
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If you got hit by a train they'd be walking along the track collecting bits, same as getting blasted by a cannon, so if your religion says no second chances if you are dismembered wouldn't you be more careful
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MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
I was watching a program the other day about empire they said indian prisoners from revolts were strapped to the front of cannons because hindus think you have to be in one piece to be reincarnated, so it was a double death.
So why given the mess made by trains and large vehicles are they so foolhardy around them.
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If you got hit by a train they'd be walking along the track collecting bits, same as getting blasted by a cannon, so if your religion says no second chances if you are dismembered wouldn't you be more careful
depends how poor you're kept.
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I'm waiting for Indian Summers to come back on channel 4.
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MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.


have you been to India? so many of the tracks have no level crossings, footbridges, no fencing or safety measures to stop people on the track. The authorities are more to blame than the public. If they stopped filling their own pockets and actually helped the public that elect them we may get somewhere until then in India the rich are uber rich and the poor are so poor that even the hardest heart would shed a tear at their plight.
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MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
have you been to India? so many of the tracks have no level crossings, footbridges, no fencing or safety measures to stop people on the track. The authorities are more to blame than the public. If they stopped filling their own pockets and actually helped the public that elect them we may get somewhere until then in India the rich are uber rich and the poor are so poor that even the hardest heart would shed a tear at their plight.

Isn't it just health and safety to sign post everything it should be very obvious to a adult if they walking across a train track, you can't claim every death is a bumbling newbie to a area.
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adhkarzf
MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
have you been to India? so many of the tracks have no level crossings, footbridges, no fencing or safety measures to stop people on the track. The authorities are more to blame than the public. If they stopped filling their own pockets and actually helped the public that elect them we may get somewhere until then in India the rich are uber rich and the poor are so poor that even the hardest heart would shed a tear at their plight.

Isn't it just health and safety to sign post everything it should be very obvious to a adult if they walking across a train track, you can't claim every death is a bumbling newbie to a area.


I never claimed that anywhere. The point is there is zero safety measures in place to stop people crossing the tracks. If the tracks in the UK weren't fenced off then you'd have the same happening here as people will always look for the quickest route.
Having crossed those tracks myself they can seem very safe until a train comes hurtling down. Also the public aren't educated on the dangers of the track it's not like they have public safety messages. you can't simply say it's obvious not too cross the tracks and it's your own fault if you get injured or die. what happens when a young child wanders on to the track are they to blame too? you can have huts backing straight onto the tracks. The parents are so poor they can't always be with their children and leave them with older kids in the neighbourhood to be kept an eye on.
I agree on the point that a fully informed adult crossing those tracks that's aware of the dangers is just as much to blame as the government who hasn't in 100 years managed to put in basic safety measures.
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adhkarzf
Error440
adhkarzf
MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
have you been to India? so many of the tracks have no level crossings, footbridges, no fencing or safety measures to stop people on the track. The authorities are more to blame than the public. If they stopped filling their own pockets and actually helped the public that elect them we may get somewhere until then in India the rich are uber rich and the poor are so poor that even the hardest heart would shed a tear at their plight.
Isn't it just health and safety to sign post everything it should be very obvious to a adult if they walking across a train track, you can't claim every death is a bumbling newbie to a area.
I never claimed that anywhere. The point is there is zero safety measures in place to stop people crossing the tracks. If the tracks in the UK weren't fenced off then you'd have the same happening here as people will always look for the quickest route.
Having crossed those tracks myself they can seem very safe until a train comes hurtling down. Also the public aren't educated on the dangers of the track it's not like they have public safety messages. you can't simply say it's obvious not too cross the tracks and it's your own fault if you get injured or die. what happens when a young child wanders on to the track are they to blame too? you can have huts backing straight onto the tracks. The parents are so poor they can't always be with their children and leave them with older kids in the neighbourhood to be kept an eye on.
I agree on the point that a fully informed adult crossing those tracks that's aware of the dangers is just as much to blame as the government who hasn't in 100 years managed to put in basic safety measures.

If you live near to one you should not need telling to be extra careful same with keeping an eye on your kids, are all our tracks unaccessible to the public I remember a debate about unmanned crossings after a death a few years ago.
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adhkarzf
MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
have you been to India? so many of the tracks have no level crossings, footbridges, no fencing or safety measures to stop people on the track. The authorities are more to blame than the public. If they stopped filling their own pockets and actually helped the public that elect them we may get somewhere until then in India the rich are uber rich and the poor are so poor that even the hardest heart would shed a tear at their plight.
Isn't it just health and safety to sign post everything it should be very obvious to a adult if they walking across a train track, you can't claim every death is a bumbling newbie to a area.
I never claimed that anywhere. The point is there is zero safety measures in place to stop people crossing the tracks. If the tracks in the UK weren't fenced off then you'd have the same happening here as people will always look for the quickest route.
Having crossed those tracks myself they can seem very safe until a train comes hurtling down. Also the public aren't educated on the dangers of the track it's not like they have public safety messages. you can't simply say it's obvious not too cross the tracks and it's your own fault if you get injured or die. what happens when a young child wanders on to the track are they to blame too? you can have huts backing straight onto the tracks. The parents are so poor they can't always be with their children and leave them with older kids in the neighbourhood to be kept an eye on.
I agree on the point that a fully informed adult crossing those tracks that's aware of the dangers is just as much to blame as the government who hasn't in 100 years managed to put in basic safety measures.

If you live near to one you should not need telling to be extra careful same with keeping an eye on your kids, are all our tracks unaccessible to the public I remember a debate about unmanned crossings after a death a few years ago.


So for you it's the public at fault and not the administration which has been lining it's pockets for years instead of improving the real network.
fact is until basic safety measures are put into place deaths are going to continue happening where people cross the tracks and were the tracks in the UK to become open in built up areas you'd see a rise in deaths here too. human nature to take the short cut and both the person crossing and the administration are to blame.
nice to know you have no sympathy for the public which has been shafted by the government time and time again.
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MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
have you been to India? so many of the tracks have no level crossings, footbridges, no fencing or safety measures to stop people on the track. The authorities are more to blame than the public. If they stopped filling their own pockets and actually helped the public that elect them we may get somewhere until then in India the rich are uber rich and the poor are so poor that even the hardest heart would shed a tear at their plight.
Isn't it just health and safety to sign post everything it should be very obvious to a adult if they walking across a train track, you can't claim every death is a bumbling newbie to a area.
I never claimed that anywhere. The point is there is zero safety measures in place to stop people crossing the tracks. If the tracks in the UK weren't fenced off then you'd have the same happening here as people will always look for the quickest route.
Having crossed those tracks myself they can seem very safe until a train comes hurtling down. Also the public aren't educated on the dangers of the track it's not like they have public safety messages. you can't simply say it's obvious not too cross the tracks and it's your own fault if you get injured or die. what happens when a young child wanders on to the track are they to blame too? you can have huts backing straight onto the tracks. The parents are so poor they can't always be with their children and leave them with older kids in the neighbourhood to be kept an eye on.
I agree on the point that a fully informed adult crossing those tracks that's aware of the dangers is just as much to blame as the government who hasn't in 100 years managed to put in basic safety measures.

If you live near to one you should not need telling to be extra careful same with keeping an eye on your kids, are all our tracks unaccessible to the public I remember a debate about unmanned crossings after a death a few years ago.


Also how do you suggest people cross safely if there are no crossing points for miles around? no level crossing, foot bridge or other type of safe crossing?
you and I love in London where the whole tube network is safely out of reach and the dlr is either on a bridge or again fenced off. I've not come across any level crossings and neither have I found an open stretch of tracks that u could just walk across. Plus the stations in London are close together whereas in India even local ones aren't walking distance apart.

If the true amount of pedestrian deaths were advertised then maybe the public would think twice but it's brushed under the carpet as pedestrian vs train is not recorded as a train accident. Make the public aware of how many people died crossing the tracks, on particular stretches. let them then make an informed choice.
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adhkarzf
Error440
adhkarzf
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adhkarzf
MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
have you been to India? so many of the tracks have no level crossings, footbridges, no fencing or safety measures to stop people on the track. The authorities are more to blame than the public. If they stopped filling their own pockets and actually helped the public that elect them we may get somewhere until then in India the rich are uber rich and the poor are so poor that even the hardest heart would shed a tear at their plight.
Isn't it just health and safety to sign post everything it should be very obvious to a adult if they walking across a train track, you can't claim every death is a bumbling newbie to a area.
I never claimed that anywhere. The point is there is zero safety measures in place to stop people crossing the tracks. If the tracks in the UK weren't fenced off then you'd have the same happening here as people will always look for the quickest route.
Having crossed those tracks myself they can seem very safe until a train comes hurtling down. Also the public aren't educated on the dangers of the track it's not like they have public safety messages. you can't simply say it's obvious not too cross the tracks and it's your own fault if you get injured or die. what happens when a young child wanders on to the track are they to blame too? you can have huts backing straight onto the tracks. The parents are so poor they can't always be with their children and leave them with older kids in the neighbourhood to be kept an eye on.
I agree on the point that a fully informed adult crossing those tracks that's aware of the dangers is just as much to blame as the government who hasn't in 100 years managed to put in basic safety measures.
If you live near to one you should not need telling to be extra careful same with keeping an eye on your kids, are all our tracks unaccessible to the public I remember a debate about unmanned crossings after a death a few years ago.
Also how do you suggest people cross safely if there are no crossing points for miles around? no level crossing, foot bridge or other type of safe crossing?
you and I love in London where the whole tube network is safely out of reach and the dlr is either on a bridge or again fenced off. I've not come across any level crossings and neither have I found an open stretch of tracks that u could just walk across. Plus the stations in London are close together whereas in India even local ones aren't walking distance apart.
If the true amount of pedestrian deaths were advertised then maybe the public would think twice but it's brushed under the carpet as pedestrian vs train is not recorded as a train accident. Make the public aware of how many people died crossing the tracks, on particular stretches. let them then make an informed choice.


As far as i am aware indian trans don't go very fast compared to modern ones first and foremost people need to look out for themselves its how your ancestors survived long enough to create your blood line, I'd look for a long straight section then run across it personally if needs be, lets face it there road safety isn't any better.
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adhkarzf
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adhkarzf
MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
have you been to India? so many of the tracks have no level crossings, footbridges, no fencing or safety measures to stop people on the track. The authorities are more to blame than the public. If they stopped filling their own pockets and actually helped the public that elect them we may get somewhere until then in India the rich are uber rich and the poor are so poor that even the hardest heart would shed a tear at their plight.
Isn't it just health and safety to sign post everything it should be very obvious to a adult if they walking across a train track, you can't claim every death is a bumbling newbie to a area.
I never claimed that anywhere. The point is there is zero safety measures in place to stop people crossing the tracks. If the tracks in the UK weren't fenced off then you'd have the same happening here as people will always look for the quickest route.
Having crossed those tracks myself they can seem very safe until a train comes hurtling down. Also the public aren't educated on the dangers of the track it's not like they have public safety messages. you can't simply say it's obvious not too cross the tracks and it's your own fault if you get injured or die. what happens when a young child wanders on to the track are they to blame too? you can have huts backing straight onto the tracks. The parents are so poor they can't always be with their children and leave them with older kids in the neighbourhood to be kept an eye on.
I agree on the point that a fully informed adult crossing those tracks that's aware of the dangers is just as much to blame as the government who hasn't in 100 years managed to put in basic safety measures.
If you live near to one you should not need telling to be extra careful same with keeping an eye on your kids, are all our tracks unaccessible to the public I remember a debate about unmanned crossings after a death a few years ago.
Also how do you suggest people cross safely if there are no crossing points for miles around? no level crossing, foot bridge or other type of safe crossing?
you and I love in London where the whole tube network is safely out of reach and the dlr is either on a bridge or again fenced off. I've not come across any level crossings and neither have I found an open stretch of tracks that u could just walk across. Plus the stations in London are close together whereas in India even local ones aren't walking distance apart.
If the true amount of pedestrian deaths were advertised then maybe the public would think twice but it's brushed under the carpet as pedestrian vs train is not recorded as a train accident. Make the public aware of how many people died crossing the tracks, on particular stretches. let them then make an informed choice.
As far as i am aware indian trans don't go very fast compared to modern ones first and foremost people need to look out for themselves its how your ancestors survived long enough to create your blood line, I'd look for a long straight section then run across it personally if needs be, lets face it there road safety isn't any better.

There's no excuse for an adult to get by a train. Ever. It either has to be deliberate or they have to be incredibly stupid.
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adhkarzf
MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
have you been to India? so many of the tracks have no level crossings, footbridges, no fencing or safety measures to stop people on the track. The authorities are more to blame than the public. If they stopped filling their own pockets and actually helped the public that elect them we may get somewhere until then in India the rich are uber rich and the poor are so poor that even the hardest heart would shed a tear at their plight.
Isn't it just health and safety to sign post everything it should be very obvious to a adult if they walking across a train track, you can't claim every death is a bumbling newbie to a area.
I never claimed that anywhere. The point is there is zero safety measures in place to stop people crossing the tracks. If the tracks in the UK weren't fenced off then you'd have the same happening here as people will always look for the quickest route.
Having crossed those tracks myself they can seem very safe until a train comes hurtling down. Also the public aren't educated on the dangers of the track it's not like they have public safety messages. you can't simply say it's obvious not too cross the tracks and it's your own fault if you get injured or die. what happens when a young child wanders on to the track are they to blame too? you can have huts backing straight onto the tracks. The parents are so poor they can't always be with their children and leave them with older kids in the neighbourhood to be kept an eye on.
I agree on the point that a fully informed adult crossing those tracks that's aware of the dangers is just as much to blame as the government who hasn't in 100 years managed to put in basic safety measures.
If you live near to one you should not need telling to be extra careful same with keeping an eye on your kids, are all our tracks unaccessible to the public I remember a debate about unmanned crossings after a death a few years ago.
Also how do you suggest people cross safely if there are no crossing points for miles around? no level crossing, foot bridge or other type of safe crossing?
you and I love in London where the whole tube network is safely out of reach and the dlr is either on a bridge or again fenced off. I've not come across any level crossings and neither have I found an open stretch of tracks that u could just walk across. Plus the stations in London are close together whereas in India even local ones aren't walking distance apart.
If the true amount of pedestrian deaths were advertised then maybe the public would think twice but it's brushed under the carpet as pedestrian vs train is not recorded as a train accident. Make the public aware of how many people died crossing the tracks, on particular stretches. let them then make an informed choice.
As far as i am aware indian trans don't go very fast compared to modern ones first and foremost people need to look out for themselves its how your ancestors survived long enough to create your blood line, I'd look for a long straight section then run across it personally if needs be, lets face it there road safety isn't any better.
There's no excuse for an adult to get by a train. Ever. It either has to be deliberate or they have to be incredibly stupid.
Not even a selfie?
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deeky
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MynameisM
it won't be much help when people just will nilly walk on the tracks like it's a empty road in the middle of nowhere 2 seconds before a train crosses and they don't give a hoot about the hundreds that have already died doing the same thing in last few days.
have you been to India? so many of the tracks have no level crossings, footbridges, no fencing or safety measures to stop people on the track. The authorities are more to blame than the public. If they stopped filling their own pockets and actually helped the public that elect them we may get somewhere until then in India the rich are uber rich and the poor are so poor that even the hardest heart would shed a tear at their plight.
Isn't it just health and safety to sign post everything it should be very obvious to a adult if they walking across a train track, you can't claim every death is a bumbling newbie to a area.
I never claimed that anywhere. The point is there is zero safety measures in place to stop people crossing the tracks. If the tracks in the UK weren't fenced off then you'd have the same happening here as people will always look for the quickest route.
Having crossed those tracks myself they can seem very safe until a train comes hurtling down. Also the public aren't educated on the dangers of the track it's not like they have public safety messages. you can't simply say it's obvious not too cross the tracks and it's your own fault if you get injured or die. what happens when a young child wanders on to the track are they to blame too? you can have huts backing straight onto the tracks. The parents are so poor they can't always be with their children and leave them with older kids in the neighbourhood to be kept an eye on.
I agree on the point that a fully informed adult crossing those tracks that's aware of the dangers is just as much to blame as the government who hasn't in 100 years managed to put in basic safety measures.
If you live near to one you should not need telling to be extra careful same with keeping an eye on your kids, are all our tracks unaccessible to the public I remember a debate about unmanned crossings after a death a few years ago.
Also how do you suggest people cross safely if there are no crossing points for miles around? no level crossing, foot bridge or other type of safe crossing?
you and I love in London where the whole tube network is safely out of reach and the dlr is either on a bridge or again fenced off. I've not come across any level crossings and neither have I found an open stretch of tracks that u could just walk across. Plus the stations in London are close together whereas in India even local ones aren't walking distance apart.
If the true amount of pedestrian deaths were advertised then maybe the public would think twice but it's brushed under the carpet as pedestrian vs train is not recorded as a train accident. Make the public aware of how many people died crossing the tracks, on particular stretches. let them then make an informed choice.
As far as i am aware indian trans don't go very fast compared to modern ones first and foremost people need to look out for themselves its how your ancestors survived long enough to create your blood line, I'd look for a long straight section then run across it personally if needs be, lets face it there road safety isn't any better.
There's no excuse for an adult to get by a train. Ever. It either has to be deliberate or they have to be incredibly stupid.
Not even a selfie?

Of course, taking a selfie is understandable. Goes without saying :p

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