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iPhone 3GS? HTC Desire? ... Or wait for the iPhone 4G/HD?

r3tract Avatar
6y, 6m agoPosted 6 years, 6 months ago
Ok so I'm passing my Motorola Milestone onto someone else to play with, it was fun but I'm not a massive fan of the version of Android it uses. That is why I'm going to get a new phone.

I'm weighing up whether to go for the 3GS, the Desire or wait a while and get the latest iPhone.

What do you people think.

Josh
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6y, 6m agoPosted 6 years, 6 months ago
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#1
Don't bother getting a 3GS now.

I've recently sold the 3GS and bought a HTC Desire and they're are good phones. But I will still be getting the iPhone 4G so i'd probably hang on if you like iPhones more that is :P
banned#2
I'd definitely eliminate the 3GS myself if you think you can afford the new one, might as well get the latest and greatest.

Have you been on either phones yet? If not get on a friend's and try them out.
#3
Well the milestone uses android 2.1 same as the desire so by what you said thats out so iphone it is just depends how much cash and which case design you like.
#4
master_chief
I'd definitely eliminate the 3GS myself if you think you can afford the new one, might as well get the latest and greatest.

Have you been on either phones yet? If not get on a friend's and try them out.


Ive had a play about on an iPhone 3GS before, but not the Desire as I don't know anyone who has one. People seem to be raving about it, what are the stand out features that make the desire so good? (having had the Milestone and an iPod touch 32GB 3rd gen, I love all the apps and games on my iPod but I feel a bit let down by the android Market which is what is putting me off the Desire.)

Josh
#5
GAVINLEWISHUKD
Well the milestone uses android 2.1 same as the desire so by what you said thats out so iphone it is just depends how much cash and which case design you like.


Ah but the difference is that the Milestone uses Vanilla UI whereas the Desire uses Sense UI, (Which I've used on my dads Hero, it seems a lot more user friendly than Vanilla).

I do really like the look of the new iPhone, but I think I'll probably only have around £400-420 to spend which may push the 4G/HD out of my price range!

Josh
banned#6
I think you're going to get the new iPhone when it comes out.
#7
r3tract
Ah but the difference is that the Milestone uses Vanilla UI whereas the Desire uses Sense UI, (Which I've used on my dads Hero, it seems a lot more user friendly than Vanilla).

I do really like the look of the new iPhone, but I think I'll probably only have around £400-420 to spend which may push the 4G/HD out of my price range!

Josh


Ok fair enough but you didn't mention interface, but yes sense is pretty nice.:thumbsup:
#8
master_chief
I think you're going to get the new iPhone when it comes out.


I think I might wait until the 7th June to decide as Apple are holding a press conference then, so it might give me a good idea of what to expect price-wise/release date wise.

Josh
#9
I have the Desire and I wouldn't swap it for the iPhone, even if you paid me. The iPhone is locked down, restrictied, missing flash and, worst of all, too expensive. Sure the Android Market isn't as big as Apple's cash cow but this is Google's baby and it'll only get bigger and better. In a side-by-side comparison with an iPhone the Desire is quicker and the ability to switch between applications feels much better than the Apple.

But the best bit is the price. I paid £150 for the handset and then £10 a month for 100 mins, unlimited texts and unlimited 'net for 24 months. OK, the minutes are low but I don't talk that much ... and the price of a contract with Apple? It'll cost a lot more than an Android phone. I sound biased and I guess I am but I work in an office with Apple iPhone Smuggies and it's been nice to have a phone that not only beats their handset but it also costs a lot less.
#10
Q-Tec
I have the Desire and I wouldn't swap it for the iPhone, even if you paid me. The iPhone is locked down, restrictied, missing flash and, worst of all, too expensive. Sure the Android Market isn't as big as Apple's cash cow but this is Google's baby and it'll only get bigger and better. In a side-by-side comparison with an iPhone the Desire is quicker and the ability to switch between applications feels much better than the Apple.

But the best bit is the price. I paid £150 for the handset and then £10 a month for 100 mins, unlimited texts and unlimited 'net for 24 months. OK, the minutes are low but I don't talk that much ... and the price of a contract with Apple? It'll cost a lot more than an Android phone. I sound biased and I guess I am but I work in an office with Apple iPhone Smuggies and it's been nice to have a phone that not only beats their handset but it also costs a lot less.


Interesting, I like the multitasking aspect, but it is possible to do that on a (jailbroken) iPhone, using the Backgrounder app. The price isn't massively an issue, I will be buying either handset outright, as I'm already on a 15 a month contract with T-Mobile. I think the thing thy I really want to thik about is comparing the Multimedia side of the phones and the app side.

On the App side of things, and with regard to the Desire, I'm just concerned by two things:

Firsty, the Android Market really hasn't evolved an awful lot since it's conception, there aren't any really killer apps from big firms such as sky or gameloft, all that there seems to be is a lot of second rate products. I'm concerned because I think the fact that the platform is so open-sourced and not locked down you do end up with a load of rubbish to wade through. Obviously I realsie the AppStore on iPhone is susceptiable to somempretty dire apps, but I'm just unsure as to how Google can attract more well known devs.

Secondly, the Media aspect, while I hate iTunes with a passion, the media setup is very simple but well organised on the iPhone an there really isn't another OS that I've seen that can match it in that respect, I was wondering, does the Desire offer any improvements?

Josh
banned#11
r3tract
Interesting, I like the multitasking aspect, but it is possible to do that on a (jailbroken) iPhone, using the Backgrounder app. The price isn't massively an issue, I will be buying either handset outright, as I'm already on a 15 a month contract with T-Mobile. I think the thing thy I really want to thik about is comparing the Multimedia side of the phones and the app side.

On the App side of things, and with regard to the Desire, I'm just concerned by two things:

Firsty, the Android Market really hasn't evolved an awful lot since it's conception, there aren't any really killer apps from big firms such as sky or gameloft, all that there seems to be is a lot of second rate products. I'm concerned because I think the fact that the platform is so open-sourced and not locked down you do end up with a load of rubbish to wade through. Obviously I realsie the AppStore on iPhone is susceptiable to somempretty dire apps, but I'm just unsure as to how Google can attract more well known devs.

Secondly, the Media aspect, while I hate iTunes with a passion, the media setup is very simple but well organised on the iPhone an there really isn't another OS that I've seen that can match it in that respect, I was wondering, does the Desire offer any improvements?

Josh


I faced the same decision. I went for an iphone in the end as the app's on the iphone as well as the UI are way better than an android phone. As much as I still despise itunes, I personally prefer an iphone
#12
At the end of the day it comes down to money. The apple app store has a lot of high quality apps becuase its userbase is huge, this means more sales and more money.

When android has a bigger userbase, more devs will develop for it as soon as it becomes commercially viable.

Even the most cursory glance at the growth of the platform show MASSIVE growth (707% in the last 12 months i belive, can get source if required). Android is being developed at a phenominal pace, and as it matures it will attract more users. The Android App store will improve, and likley quickly.

Couple this with the absolute hamstringing that apple seems to be imposing on its dev base:

They have banned the use of Flash as a development tool. That is a BIG deal.

The thing is, as much as i loathe "apple culture", the iphone is still a remarkable device, i much prefer Android to the iphone OS, and i think the iphone is ugly, so i am in no hurry to get another iphone, but ultimatley, wether you go with Andrioid or iPhone, you will get an amazing device, that can do some really neat tricks.

Im sure you will be happy either way, just have a play with them both and go with whichever you think you will get the most use from.

Personally i have found that apple products tent to heap on "wow" factor, and the first day or so with the device is awesome, but i feel their devices tend towards very poor design choices, and the cracks begin to show.

Ultimatley though, they both rock the socks, and beat "dumb" in more ways than i can count (so at least 3).

My super duper hyper mega phone has just broken, leaving me with an old nokia while it gets repaired. Im well aware that its just a maguffin, but i really do miss it... rather alot. Sad eh? :D

Lastly, its worth remembering that iPhones are far more desirable than any Android phone currently on the market, and frankly i dont think thats likely to change for at long time. Ultimately they hold their value remarkably well, in 12 months time, assuming it is in good condition, you will likely be able to recoup ~75% of its initial value. No android phone on the market at the moment will be worth that in 12 months.
#13
First I'll admit I haven't read all the above.

Serj is right though, Apple depreciation is very low compared to some other phones.

August 09 I bought a Nokia E52 for £230 from Play, £190 today from them today, 10months it's lost around 20% in RRP value, 2nd hand value... more like £170ish. so more like a third. But it was a brand new phone, like all things new to the market, first year or more is when depreciation is at it's worst.


Yesterday I received my HTC Desire (4GB microsd included) from O2 for £285 no strings attached. No doubt when next iPhone is here it will trounce my Desire's spec, but I bet it's nearly three times as much, iPhone 3GS is £440 minimum on contract (Three deal dunno if it's still around) or £450 O2 PAYG 3GS 16gb model oh it's locked to O2 my Desire wasn't, albeit given time O2 will change that. But like for like the iPhone 3GS is grotesquely overpriced compared to the Desire and what it is capable of.

I expect similar depreciation on the Desire maybe come this time next year, £200 ain't so bad, but considering it's still £400 sim free I expect my phone will hold it's initial value longer considering how good that deal was.

HTC might not have the Cupertino flare when it comes to marketing or product demand but they do something which Apple doesn't like now, provide actual competition in the market place (arguable to some Apple fanboys, mobile figures speak for themselves where Android mobiles has overtaken iPhone in the US)

Bear in mind the Apple iPhone has a horrible niche to it, in that having one was all the rage two years ago, people attached all sorts of kudos to it despite the ludacrous cost on contract back then, in two months when Apple iPhone v4 is due, unless Apple do something totally unprecented (unlikely) imo, Apple will remain in this silly niche market in a time of global recession.

Steve Jobs touts that you should always get his latest products, even if you own the older ones, as he said about the iPod years ago, every 12months, get a new one, simple. Hardly the thinking of a company that wants to make long term products.
Ask yourself this, everyone you know with an iPhone now, how many have replaced it??? What percentage? Most I know have not. The initial value of their iPhone may of held, but then is there really a demand for the pre 3GS iPhones? Really? We'll see.

For me, I can see myself getting the HTC Incredible or it's successor come 2011 Christmas or so, knowing I can probably sell my Desire for £200ish. Android might not hold value as well as iPhones, but I bet the demand is bigger and so easier to sell.


If you can afford to pay that extortionate pricing for an Apple iPhone, go for it, your money, spend it how you wish, but ask yourself if the near 100% markup over Android is worth it.
#14
Thank you all for your unbiased critique thus far, it has all been very helpful and much appreciated, especially those that have given their time to write an essay on this topic. :p

If anyone, who's had experience of both Android (Sense UI) and iPhone OS, could give me a comparison between the Media aspects o the respective OS's that would be really helpful.

Thanks.

Josh
#15
schizoboy
Yesterday I received my HTC Desire (4GB microsd included) from O2 for £285 no strings attached. No doubt when next iPhone is here it will trounce my Desire's spec, but I bet it's nearly three times as much, iPhone 3GS is £440 minimum on contract (Three deal dunno if it's still around) or £450 O2 PAYG 3GS 16gb model oh it's locked to O2 my Desire wasn't, albeit given time O2 will change that.


Thats an amazing price! how did you manage that?! just called up and asked?
banned#16
r3tract
Thank you all for your unbiased critique thus far, it has all been very helpful and much appreciated, especially those that have given their time to write an essay on this topic. :p

If anyone, who's had experience of both Android (Sense UI) and iPhone OS, could give me a comparison between the Media aspects o the respective OS's that would be really helpful.

Thanks.

Josh


If by media you include music then the iPhone is supposed to be far superior in audio quality than the Desire. This is according to those who have jumped ship from the iPhone to a Desire.
#17
Q-Tec
I have the Desire and I wouldn't swap it for the iPhone, even if you paid me. The iPhone is locked down, restrictied, missing flash and, worst of all, too expensive. Sure the Android Market isn't as big as Apple's cash cow but this is Google's baby and it'll only get bigger and better. In a side-by-side comparison with an iPhone the Desire is quicker and the ability to switch between applications feels much better than the Apple.


This ^^

I on the other hand didn't pay for the handset, got given it on contract with 600 mins ulimited texts and internet for £20 a month for 15 months and £30 after that on an 18 month contract. I even got sent a 16gb card for it the other day for free.
banned#18
czar.nik
Thats an amazing price! how did you manage that?! just called up and asked?


There is a thread on here with the "upgrade mid contract" details fro this phone at £285.

Adam2050
This ^^

I on the other hand didn't pay for the handset, got given it on contract with 600 mins ulimited texts and internet for £20 a month for 15 months and £30 after that on an 18 month contract. I even got sent a 16gb card for it the other day for free.


Who with Adam?

I'm hopefully going to get the Desire mid contract (Simplicity) from O2 as compensation for 18 months of hell with the their network.... (Though I may have to contribute something I guess!) Mine is £20 a month too....but with WiFi as well...and had £100 paid into my account, so effectively £11.66 per month.
#19
czar.nik;8685569
Thats an amazing price! how did you manage that?! just called up and asked?


http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=675880

I am expecting the iPhone 4/HD to have 720p video and a higher-than-Desire res AMOLED screen, what it has above android phones other than that I am unsure as I doubt more Vietnamese want to kill themselves over a mobile.
#20
guv
There is a thread on here with the "upgrade mid contract" details fro this phone at £285.



Who with Adam?

I'm hopefully going to get the Desire mid contract (Simplicity) from O2 as compensation for 18 months of hell with the their network.... (Though I may have to contribute something I guess!) Mine is £20 a month too....but with WiFi as well...and had £100 paid into my account, so effectively £11.66 per month.


Vodafone through twitter. Just come off 02 and never once used there Wifi package. It's a cracking phone don't think I will go back to the iphone just far to limited, and I can't stand Itunes, worst piece of buggy software ever.
banned#21
Adam2050
Vodafone through twitter. Just come off 02 and never once used there Wifi package. It's a cracking phone don't think I will go back to the iphone just far to limited, and I can't stand Itunes, worst piece of buggy software ever.


Shame I hadn't seen that. I'd have gone for it. Voda want silly money for the desire now.

And iTunes is the main but not the only reason I'm getting rid of the iPhone for the desire. (it's even more annoying than sleepy boy)
#22
I think most people will know, i'm a massive fan of the HTC Desire and Android itself.

I would say though - that because WWDC is 2 weeks away.. And the fact you're struggling with the decision, i'd wait to see what the iPhone 4G brings to the table. I suspect not much really, if anything it'll just match the specs the HTC Desire has (but a smaller screen).

I know some people have talked about resale value of the iPhone being good, but it's really quite deceptive..

Example:

The average contract a smartphone user goes for tends to be that £30/35 mark, as that when internet bundles kick in. They typically come with roughly 600 minutes, 500/unlimited texts and unlimited internet... So if we compare costs at first (I've just got for main deals i've seen, i know there are very cheap HTC Desire details kicking about, but i think it's best to compare what the average joe bloggs will go for).

HTC Desire Contact Cost
Details: 600 minutes - 500 texts - unlimited internet - 18 months
Monthly cost: £30 per month
Upfront phone cost: Free
Total over lifetime cost: £540

iPhone 3GS 16GB Contact Cost
Details: 600 minutes - unlimited texts - unlimited internet - 18 months
Monthly cost: £40 per month
Upfront phone cost: £89
Total over lifetime cost: £809

So now we take potential resale value after 12 months..

HTC Desire resale value after 12 months (Being pessimistic with this):
£200

iPhone 3GS 16GB resale value after 12 months:
£350

Once we have that, we just subtract what we resold the phone for from what we paid for it with the contract lifetime. Which leaves us with the total amount we've lost.

HTC Desire Total Loss:
Total over lifetime cost: £540
Revalue Value (Post 12 months): £200
Total lost: £340

iPhone 3GS 16GB Total Loss:
Total over lifetime cost: £809
Revalue Value (Post 12 months): £350
Total lost: £459

So in reality - and this is true across all iPhone contract ranges.. Despite the an iPhone holding value, due to the extraordinary costs of it.. You actually come out over £100 worse off than say someone with a HTC Desire would. So really the positive of "well i can sell it in a year and get good money", is pointless.. Hope that at least helps you make a decision from a cost point of view.
#23
guv
Shame I hadn't seen that. I'd have gone for it. Voda want silly money for the desire now.

And iTunes is the main but not the only reason I'm getting rid of the iPhone for the desire. (it's even more annoying than sleepy boy)


You could always try on twitter to see what they offer?

Whats this new update enabling Spritey?
#24
Adam2050
You could always try on twitter to see what they offer?

Whats this new update enabling Spritey?


Update enabling? Not sure what you mean mate.
#25
spritey
Update enabling? Not sure what you mean mate.


What I mean is whats so good about the new update?
#26
Adam2050
What I mean is whats so good about the new update?


Oh right, 2.2?

I wrote what i thought about the Android Keynote here:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/642362/htc-desire-owners-thread-impression/showpost.php?p=8678486&postcount=3301

You can watch the keynote on YouTube, about 40 mins long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY3U2GXhz44
banned#27
As Spritey mentioned, the iPhone is still a more expensive prospect even after factoring in TCO with resale value. The fact it holds its value so well just cushions the blow of the initial cost, nobody would ever claim it's cheaper to own an iPhone.
#28
spritey
I think most people will know, i'm a massive fan of the HTC Desire and Android itself.

I would say though - that because WWDC is 2 weeks away.. And the fact you're struggling with the decision, i'd wait to see what the iPhone 4G brings to the table. I suspect not much really, if anything it'll just match the specs the HTC Desire has (but a smaller screen).

I know some people have talked about resale value of the iPhone being good, but it's really quite deceptive..

Example:

The average contract a smartphone user goes for tends to be that £30/35 mark, as that when internet bundles kick in. They typically come with roughly 600 minutes, 500/unlimited texts and unlimited internet... So if we compare costs at first (I've just got for main deals i've seen, i know there are very cheap HTC Desire details kicking about, but i think it's best to compare what the average joe bloggs will go for).

HTC Desire Contact Cost
Details: 600 minutes - 500 texts - unlimited internet - 18 months
Monthly cost: £30 per month
Upfront phone cost: Free
Total over lifetime cost: £540

iPhone 3GS 16GB Contact Cost
Details: 600 minutes - unlimited texts - unlimited internet - 18 months
Monthly cost: £40 per month
Upfront phone cost: £89
Total over lifetime cost: £809

So now we take potential resale value after 12 months..

HTC Desire resale value after 12 months (Being pessimistic with this):
£200

iPhone 3GS 16GB resale value after 12 months:
£350

Once we have that, we just subtract what we resold the phone for from what we paid for it with the contract lifetime. Which leaves us with the total amount we've lost.

HTC Desire Total Loss:
Total over lifetime cost: £540
Revalue Value (Post 12 months): £200
Total lost: £340

iPhone 3GS 16GB Total Loss:
Total over lifetime cost: £809
Revalue Value (Post 12 months): £350
Total lost: £459

So in reality - and this is true across all iPhone contract ranges.. Despite the an iPhone holding value, due to the extraordinary costs of it.. You actually come out over £100 worse off than say someone with a HTC Desire would. So really the positive of "well i can sell it in a year and get good money", is pointless.. Hope that at least helps you make a decision from a cost point of view.


Thanks spritey, I think I will wait to see what is announced in a couple of weeks time. Cost-wise I'm not getting the phone on contract, as I already have a good contract, so I'm looking to buy the phone outright, probably via AVForums, but thanks for the break down in costs.

Josh
#29
schizoboy
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=675880

I am expecting the iPhone 4/HD to have 720p video and a higher-than-Desire res AMOLED screen, what it has above android phones other than that I am unsure as I doubt more Vietnamese want to kill themselves over a mobile.


There's plenty of talk and rumours on the net about the Desire getting an updated for 720p and Divx support in the near future

http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2010/03/05/update-htc-desire-divx-playback-720p-encoding-capabilities/
#30
guv
There is a thread on here with the "upgrade mid contract" details fro this phone at £285.


Any chance you can link me to the thread? a quick advanced search turned up litle of use :(
banned 1 Like #31
czar.nik
Any chance you can link me to the thread? a quick advanced search turned up litle of use :(


http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/675880/htc-desire-in-contract-upgrade-285-?t=675880

The search is pants.... but the link was posted directly below mine!
#32
oops my sillyness for missing that!
have some rep for the helpfulness and speedyness! much appreciated :)
#33
also, is that deal still going? i notice the thread's been expired but no idea what to read from that!
Has anyone managed to get the deal lately?
#34
Thanks everyone, I decided to plump for a HTC Desire for now and trade for an iPhone 4G in the future.

Josh

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