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Iphone - to buy or not to buy - that is the question!

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9y, 1m agoPosted 9 years, 1 month ago
Hi Everyone

So it's 3 days til what has been labelled the "must have" gadget of all time (or something along those lines) is released - the Apple iPhone.

Who could ask for more? The most popular style/make/model of portable mp3 player with a phone - eliminating either your mp3 player or your current mobile from your handbag, manbag or pocket.

So, who will be buying it and who will be staying away?

I'm so on the fence. All I know is I would get it SIM Free from a well known dealer if I get one at all, as I am not prepared to pay £269 for a phone then 18 months of line rental at £35 a go for the minimal 200 texts and 200 minutes. The contract alone is £630, add the handset cost and it becomes £1 short of £900! And that's assuming you don't go over your minutes and texts!

So lets look at the good and bad bits.

I'm going to be as general as possible and take a neutral as possible view on these, so please don't scream at me! :thumbsup:

Right, first, the good.

It's been said it's the most anticipated gadget sinced the bread slicer!
It combines the 2 most everyday objects that people tend to use therefore saving space.
It has quite a few interesting features such as being able to be used as a Sat Nav as well as an internet browser that you can watch YouTube videos on too.

There are numerous other positives, but from what I think I can see, they seem to be around the above 3.

So, the bad.

No 3G services.
Very basic phone technology compared to other phones already out.
The SIMLock issue.
The price - phone and tariffs.
What happens when it goes wrong.
No removable memory.

Now for my view:

It may be a great gadget that combines 2 products into one etc, but what happens when it goes wrong? I can't say for sure this will happen, but if your phone needs to be sent back to Apple for any reason, if they flash it, I would imagine everything on the phone will be lost. It may only be a case of having to readd the mp3s, but things like photos and whatnot may not be as easy to restore, unless you have backed everything up somehow (not sure if that is possible though).

That kind of goes over the probem with the lack of removable memory, but only glides over the surface of problem of sending it back. You've lost your phone and mp3 player for a few days. Some people can live without it, but others may not. It is only a phone afterall is what some people will say, but if you need it for business, that'll be a problem. Or if you use your ipod function of it when at the gym, you may well be stuck there too, unless you also update your ipod (assuming you already have one) at the same time as you do your iPhone, which almost makes it pointless to buy an iPhone if you already have an ipod to a point doesn't it?!

Another reported problem is that if you try to unlock it, aliens come down and start poking you with ice picks! Well, not quite, but your new iPhone is rendered useless. This kind of goes into a few other areas. As o2 have won the exclusive selling rights to sell the iPhone in the UK, if the network coverage is poor, then you are at an unfair advantage straight away. Linking in with the very poor yet expensive tariffs o2 are offering, they state on their website, you can keep your number to phone people to brag that you have the iPhone, well, surely, soon after doing that, you won't have any friends (or if you're like that already, you won't be making those kind of phone calls!). But if the network coverage is poor in your area, you won't be able to make the phone calls in the first place even if you wanted to!

I'm not having a go at o2 for this as I reckon any network would have done this, but they have made the prices of the phone and tariffs is a bit much in my opinion. o2 will probably give the spiel that they have taken a chance (believe that, and you'll believe anything) on the iPhone, they have done the usual network subsidy of it making it more of an attractive price in the hope more people would buy it, but then whack a high cost tariff with low reward on:

Ignoring a few bits and pieces, such as data charges etc

The iPhone £35 tariff gives you 200 minutes and 200 texts

For the same amount, a normal 18 month contract with o2 gives you 600 minutes and 1000 texts! You also get unlimited texts or o2 calls!

So if you did want to brag to your friends, it will cost you a lot more than friendship at those tariff rates!

Back to the blocking of your iPhone if you try to unlock it. I find this totally unfair. If you can only buy it on a contract, the o2 will get your money no matter if you unlock it or not as you're tied into that contract. Apple will have had the money from you/o2 anyway, so I can't see their problem myself.

The other (and final) thing that o2 have done that annoys me is that they are not releasing it until 2 minutes past 6 in the evening of Friday the 9th of November.

What is wrong with that? Quite a bit actually in my opinion. Firstly I've never heard of things being pushed back til later in the day for a huge release, such as the PS3, Harry Potter books etc, the stores open at midnight of the day of release until the small hours of the morning. So why change? Also, if you order online, they won't be able to send it until Saturday, which means you won't get it until the Monday at the earliest, Tuesday would probably be more realistic.

In conclusion, I feel you will be paying over the odds for something that's outdated in a few ways and I feel it's very unfair you have to be pigeon holed into what you get, but if you create the hype, market it well and all the other necessary bits and pieces, the people who complain that they'd never dream of spending that much on a phone etc won't have their voices heard over the noise of the people clambering and rushing to get one!

What are your views people of HUKD?!
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9y, 1m agoPosted 9 years, 1 month ago
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#1
Not for me, far too basic functionality - while it combines mp3 and phone I don't think it does it anywhere near as well as many other existing devices on the market and looking at it as on overall package it just seems very much outdated.

For people who generally just use their phone as a phone, I can see why the Iphone is appealing.

John
#2
Give it 4 weeks & it will be reduced in price......

Plus there are 3G versions & a host of other Apple I phone varients next year.

Oh - and Nokia are bringing out there own "I-Phone" in 2008
#3
I wouldn't touch an iPhone with a 10ft barge pole at those prices, not forgetting it's old technology. It's not even 3G and the camera is useless. Nor do I agree with all the lock-ins associated with it. Particularly when in my experience O2 are one of the worst UK networks for service and support.

I don't mind paying for quality but this is a rip off plain and simple.

It's a shame really I like Apple computers and would love to be able to say it's a must have.....but with all the ifs and buts it's just not worth the hassle.
#4
Firday 6:02pm - Its at this time for a reason, something to do with American trading and Apple wanting it to align to that.

The size of the iphone means it wont fit in most peoples pocket or manbags.

The price is not likely to drop until next year in the UK due to the refunds Apple had to do when dropping the price in America, they learnt their lesson.
#5
i love my iphone best purchase ive made in a long time.
banned#6
or the average joe who isnt tech savvy its a nice phone but for people who want more (like people who want the N95) its pretty lame

-You cant send picture messages on it MMS
-cant send files through bluetooth
-cant send texts to more then one person at a time
-cant set any mp3 as a ringtone you have to buy a song AGAIN from itunes to be able to use it as a ringtone

etc the software is too restricted for me anyway
#7
6:02

O2 are selling the phone..........get it now ? lol
banned#8
ChrisUK
Give it 4 weeks & it will be reduced in price......

Plus there are 3G versions & a host of other Apple I phone varients next year.

Oh - and Nokia are bringing out there own "I-Phone" in 2008


Yeah nokia wont be outdone in this (the uk) one of their prime markets. Since the launch of i-phone in the US nokia have been on the back foot. The N95 whilst is an impressive phone is starting to come down in price and free on some reasonably cheap tariffs, this usually indicates that the next gen phone is imminent, and I think you'll find that after the hype has died down the new Nokia will be much more impressive.
#9
Looks pretty and will probably be the talk of the pub for 15 minutes, but other than that not interested. My main issues are weak camera/no removable storage/no mp3 ringtones.
#10
so what's best right now?
banned#11
Personally right now im loving the Sony K850i 5mp camera etc
I bought a 4gb memory card for it, i think this a much stronger mp3 player/ phone combo then the iphone because as a phone it offers too much more to ignore that the iphone doesnt
#12
The iPhone is just a total rip-off in most every way.

I mean i can dig out my old W800i that i used yonks ago, stick the 4Gb card out of my PSP in it and it works as a Walkman phone. And thats 2/3yr old technology at least.
Atm i have a K800i with only a 2Gb card in it, and that pretty much does me. And that has all the 3G gubbins that the iPhone doesnt.
The PSP beats most everything atm as a personal media player imo. And the iPhone doesnt really touch it anyway in this respect.

No Bluetooth messaging, so the kids wont use it as they cant share their happy-slapping videos.
No mp3 ringtones, thats just really really bad and is just expected on every phone nowadays so is a big omission.
They actually double-charge you for them in the iTunes store as well.
You pay for the song, and then you pay to use the section of the song you want as a ringtone, both at the standard iTunes rate.
No 3G. Dont know what the hell they were thinking of.
2MP camera.....seriously. Again, my old W800 has a 2MP camera, but the W800 has flashlight/zoom etc, that the iPhone doesnt.
New phones should have a far better camera, with at least minimal photo features.
No MMS messaging. So you can take inferior photos, but cant share them with your friends as it wont let you send them, and as above, you cant bluetooth them to your friends either.
Email/Internet, it uses EDGE or Wi-Fi. EDGE is all but useless, and Wi-Fi you need to stay stationary beside a connection. ie if using it on Bus journeys, only EDGE is available, and you might get a page to load up by the time you reach your destination. Wi-Fi is for use at coffee shops or at home, if your at home you can do the sensible thing and just use your PC.

I also think they will die a death in the UK.
We are too used to our gadgets, and this is a far outdated gadget.
It might have worked, if it was released 2/3 years ago, but right now its pretty useless and only a fashion accessory for people that have more money than sense.
banned#13
yes, technological specification wise iphone is a bit of a joke

its main draw is simple that wonderful nice big screen, i would rather just quench my iphone first by buying an ipod touch to be honest and not have to deal with a contract
#14
Proximo, where did you get the 4Gb card for your K850i.
Seen one for £33 and just wondering if theres any cheaper.
Can use the adapter and use it in the PSP or the K800 which is sweet.

Wanting a k850 myself, but got this k800 on a contract so gotta wait on that running down :-(
#15
Voted against iPhone. For me, HTC Kaiser (TyTN II, MDA Vario 3, etc) is the way to go :)
#16
Proximo
or the average joe who isnt tech savvy its a nice phone but for people who want more (like people who want the N95) its pretty lame

-You cant send picture messages on it MMS
-cant send files through bluetooth
-cant send texts to more then one person at a time
-cant set any mp3 as a ringtone you have to buy a song AGAIN from itunes to be able to use it as a ringtone

etc the software is too restricted for me anyway



Well even if the price was reasonable - that list alone would make me change my mind!
banned#17
HaggisHunter
Proximo, where did you get the 4Gb card for your K850i.
Seen one for £33 and just wondering if theres any cheaper.
Can use the adapter and use it in the PSP or the K800 which is sweet.

Wanting a k850 myself, but got this k800 on a contract so gotta wait on that running down :-(

thats the same price as I paid (play.com) and as far as i know that is t he cheapest/safest

pretty good value for money in my opinion, yeah it comes with a memory stick pro adaptor which is cool
#18
anyone know where i can purchase a genuine Louis Vuitton case for it?
#19
If the iPhone is anything like the iPod, I am going to wait until they bring out a far better version at a much cheaper price ;-)
#20
stupid iphone, not going to waste my money on some stupid 2G phone. :x
banned#21
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#22
Man you'd have to be a serious mug to purchase an iPHONE...ignorance is not an excuse!

With the contractual obligations, cost of the hanset irrespective, old technology Mr Jobs really would be pulling your pants down!...

Granted the interface is lovely and the screen large and crisp..but heck..it's so flawed I wouldn't know where to start..

I suppose there is a mug on every corner
#23
the POWER of MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING!

to dress up an old piece of kit, bounce up the price and flog by the bucket load is a real achievement..I so have to take my hat off for the guys at APPLE
#24
A lot of flaws, but I like the touch screen, web browsing, etc.

THE CONTRACT ON THE OTHER HAND IS A TOTAL JOKE.
#25
Proximo
or the average joe who isnt tech savvy its a nice phone but for people who want more (like people who want the N95) its pretty lame

-You cant send picture messages on it MMS
-cant send files through bluetooth
-cant send texts to more then one person at a time
-cant set any mp3 as a ringtone you have to buy a song AGAIN from itunes to be able to use it as a ringtone

etc the software is too restricted for me anyway



Who cares it looks dam nice, the only thing apple products needs to do is look good and ppl will buy them, their laptops (macbooks) look way better than others, The only reason people buy ipods is because of the name, there are plently of MP3 players in the market that have better sound quality but they simply dont have the looks. The 1st time i saw an iphone i just said wow, that looks good.

come on really, how many times have you used 3g functions on your phone, how many times have you video called some1? Does the iphone need a better camera? not for me, i always complain about the camera quality on my nokia e65, and the lack of bluetooth 2.0 support for stero headphones, but then i realised i take about 20(usable) photos a year and since i got the stereo headphones for my old phone i used them a couple of times as i have an ipod (and yes i bought the ipod simply because it looked good)
#26
kk_cheung

come on really, how many times have you used 3g functions on your phone, how many times have you video called some1? Does the iphone need a better camera? not for me, i always complain about the camera quality on my nokia e65, and the lack of bluetooth 2.0 support for stero headphones, but then i realised i take about 20(usable) photos a year and since i got the stereo headphones for my old phone i used them a couple of times as i have an ipod (and yes i bought the ipod simply because it looked good)


Well the iPhone talks up its internet capabilities, without that 3G its internet ability is useless. You have to sit down near an access point, ruining the "mobile" part.
The e65 has a 2Mp camera. Most new phones are better than that now, and personally i have always thought Nokia cameras were rubbish. (not seen the newer N95 ones though) Sony phones always had better image quality imo.
And as the iPhone has the photo viewer and that is what is shown in most adverts, its disappointing that the camera is so bad.

Buying technology on looks alone, is just crazy.
And when it costs as much as Apple products theres just no words to describe it.
#27
you gota use it to see how it is anyway i like it dont listen to the people who dont own one.

One point i agree on is not to buy from o2 as that is nearly 1k forget that your better of getting it from here or ebay.
banned#28
HU5TLER
you gota use it to see how it is anyway i like it dont listen to the people who dont own one.


Why? Do you think if people dont tell you its limitations that the one you buy will be without them?
#29
There was a gameboy advance emulater released for the iphone today which works great ... come on guys, GBA on your phone! **** yes! :)
banned#30
KieranG
There was a gameboy advance emulater released for the iphone today which works great ... come on guys, GBA on your phone! **** yes! :)


Oh well, youve convinced me now!

Does it run ZX Spectrum games too?

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