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Is BLAIR the most accomplished liar we have had as Priminister (Prime Minister)?

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6y, 10m agoPosted 6 years, 10 months ago
Watching Blair in this inquiry is like watching a world class manipulator of facts. Taking the miniscule fragements of information that suit his cause while ignoring massive amounts of factual evidence and events that do not help his story.

At the same time he is still talking like somebody lining up more wars that if he was in power he would like to start.

Will he go down in history as our Nixon??
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6y, 10m agoPosted 6 years, 10 months ago
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#1
I would imagine one doesn't get to be Prime Minister without learning how to manipulate facts...
#2
He's a politician, what do you expect?
#3
Flodd
I would imagine one doesn't get to be Prime Minister without learning how to manipulate facts...


True, but he takes this to a new level. Just compare him to Brown or Cameron under pressure. Even Bush looks uncomfortable while tellin lies. Blair actually turns the whole thing round. He actually seems to glow under pressure.
banned#4
What is a priminister?

All politicians lie or stretch the truth. At least he came to the correct conclusion, that's all the counts tbh.
#5
Everyone has to "stretch the truth" at some point, just in politicians it's more exaggerated.

As for the man "glowing under pressure", it's a good trait for someone like a PM to have imo...
#6
He is making the panel look like bumbling fools. I'm not sure if it's because he's so good or they are so bad.
#7
guv
What is a priminister?

All politicians lie or stretch the truth. At least he came to the correct conclusion, that's all the counts tbh.


http://home.comcast.net/~stormkatt/images/Portfolio/Logos/GrammarPolice.gif

Congratulations.

Your priorities in life are worrying. My bad spelling gets you going, but your happy to sit back and let polititians send people to die in war based on lies! :thinking:

W...
#8
civms47
Everyone has to "stretch the truth" at some point, just in politicians it's more exaggerated.

As for the man "glowing under pressure", it's a good trait for someone like a PM to have imo...


I prefer a somebody who is taking the decision to risk lives to be uncomfortable when explaining why all his histrionics about WMD turned out to be rubbish.

ants97
He is making the panel look like bumbling fools. I'm not sure if it's because he's so good or they are so bad.


Absolutely agree. These hand picked establishment figures seem to be acting as his straight men/women. Very different style to when George Galloway was called to the Senate!
banned#9
Plum
http://home.comcast.net/~stormkatt/images/Portfolio/Logos/GrammarPolice.gif

Congratulations.

Your priorities in life are worrying. My bad spelling gets you going, but your happy to sit back and let polititians send people to die in war based on lies! :thinking:


You maaad? I've asked you to clarify and spelt out that he may have stretched the truth, but need to deal with terrorists. Maybe you're happy they exist. I'm not.
banned#10
Plum
http://home.comcast.net/~stormkatt/images/Portfolio/Logos/GrammarPolice.gif

Congratulations.

Your priorities in life are worrying. My bad spelling gets you going, but your happy to sit back and let politicians send people to die in war based on lies! :thinking:


It wasn't spelling or grammar - it was complete stupidity. You simply MUST have known that was incorrect when you posted. It's not a typo or a small error - its blatant.
banned#11
vibeone
It wasn't spelling or grammar - it was complete stupidity. You simply MUST have known that was incorrect when you posted. It's not a typo or a small error - its blatant.



LOL.... and he even has to go back and edit and add W... at the end

I can think of a word beginning with that letter too! Can you guess what it is?
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Plum;7690601
True, but he takes this to a new level. Just compare him to Brown or Cameron under pressure. Even Bush looks uncomfortable while tellin lies. Blair actually turns the whole thing round. He actually seems to glow under pressure.

It sounds like you're uncomfortable seeing someone with the courage of his convictions explaining his behaviour and decision making in an open and detailed way with the confidence of someone who firmly believed that he was doing the right thing.
Unfortunately there is no 'massive amopunts of factual evidence' to the contrary unless you are counting the speculation and conjecture of the red top press and the suppositions of those people whose intentions were to serve their own interests.
#13
Yes a world with Saddam Hussein with WMDs and Iran and South Korea would be a much better place ,,,,Not,,,
#14
cannyscot
It sounds like you're uncomfortable seeing someone with the courage of his convictions explaining his behaviour and decision making in an open and detailed way with the confidence of someone who firmly believed that he was doing the right thing.
Unfortunately there is no 'massive amopunts of factual evidence' to the contrary unless you are counting the speculation and conjecture of the red top press and the suppositions of those people whose intentions were to serve their own interests.


At last someone who can think for themselves on this forum,Well said..
#15
vibeone
It wasn't spelling or grammar - it was complete stupidity. You simply MUST have known that was incorrect when you posted. It's not a typo or a small error - its blatant.


So people have gone to war on a lie and this is your priority also. I am not getting into a slanging match with you or anyone else about it.

Having a go at somebodies typo/spelling/grammar mistakes is one of about 5 or 6 tricks that are continaully used here to denegrate people on this forum. Too bad if your dyslexic, apparently your views don't count.

I will change it for you two and anyone else who is stressed, but could we move onto the subject of the thread.
#16
I'm still with Maggie Thatcher tbh.
#17
tonyg1962
Yes a world with Saddam Hussein with WMDs and Iran and South Korea would be a much better place ,,,,Not,,,


think you might've meant north korea.
#18
He isn't B..liar by name only.;-)
#19
ants97
think you might've meant north korea.


Lol well spotted,:oops:
banned#20
Plum
So people have gone to war on a lie and this is your priority also. I am not getting into a slanging match with you or anyone else about it.

Having a go at somebodies typo/spelling/grammar mistakes is one of about 5 or 6 tricks that are continaully used here to denegrate people on this forum. Too bad if your dyslexic, apparently your views don't count.

I will change it for you two and anyone else who is stressed, but could we move onto the subject of the thread.


You could explain why you edited your post and added "W......" while you're about it. After all, we wouldn't want to denegrate people on this forum!

Adam2050
I'm still with Maggie Thatcher tbh.


No. She was a biatch.

ants97
think you might've meant north korea.


Just a typo. Careful, you'll upset someone! :p
banned#21
tonyg1962
Yes a world with Saddam Hussein with WMDs and Iran and South Korea would be a much better place ,,,,Not,,,


Perfectly encapsulates your whole argument.

Bravo.
banned#22
He's actually coming across as articulate, intelligent, very understandable, knowledgable and truthful Not that anyone here would notice that.
RAARRRG!

TONY BLIAR! THE SUN! OUR BOYS! IMMIGRANTS!!! ARGH!!! MUSLIMS!
#23
Adam2050
I'm still with Maggie Thatcher tbh.


She caused more harm to this country than Blair and all other politicians put together ever did.:x
#24
cannyscot
It sounds like you're uncomfortable seeing someone with the courage of his convictions explaining his behaviour and decision making in an open and detailed way with the confidence of someone who firmly believed that he was doing the right thing.
Unfortunately there is no 'massive amopunts of factual evidence' to the contrary unless you are counting the speculation and conjecture of the red top press and the suppositions of those people whose intentions were to serve their own interests.


Repped.
banned#25
Inactive
She caused more harm to this country than Blair and all other politicians put together ever did.:x


+1
#26
My opinion is that one day a Nuclear or biological weapon will be used by terrorists in a major city in the west and that Tony blair may have put that day back by 10- 15 years, But it will still come,
#27
this enquiry won't bring back the dead
#28
tonyg1962
Yes a world with Saddam Hussein with WMDs and Iran and South Korea would be a much better place ,,,,Not,,,



Not sure of your point...

Sadam had no WMD. He was under pressure from Sanctions and was willing in the end to allow weapons inspections. The weapons inspectors were asking for more time and believed they could make sure Sadam had no WMD.

Now thanks to the Iraq debacle and Afghanistan the other countries you mentioned, (i won't make bid deal you mistake- we all make them. I don't see it as reflection on your intelligence) are in a stronger position to develop weapons as the US are unable to threaten anything as everybody knows they are overstretched.

The world is less safe because of Blairs decision
banned#29
DanJackson
He's actually coming across as articulate, intelligent, very understandable, knowledgable and truthful


I'd say unrepentant more than anything else.
banned#30
FilthAndFurry
I'd say unrepentant more than anything else.


Well he did something he believed was right at the time based on the evidence presented to him. He has nothing to repent on that basis.
#31
tonyg1962
My opinion is that one day a Nuclear or biological weapon will be used by terrorists in a major city in the west and that Tony blair may have put that day back by 10- 15 years, But it will still come,


or that by "illegally" invading iraq on the coat tails of the USA he's alienated and converted more terrorists of whatever persuasion and brought such an attack forward by 10-15 years.
banned#32
tonyg1962
My opinion is that one day a Nuclear or biological weapon will be used by terrorists in a major city in the west and that Tony blair may have put that day back by 10- 15 years, But it will still come,


Even though most analysts say that more people have been radicalised due to the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions, and the 7/7 bombings were directly attributed to them.

Maybe we need to fear South Korea more:roll:
#33
Plum
Not sure of your point...

Sadam had no WMD. He was under pressure from Sanctions and was willing in the end to allow weapons inspections. The weapons inspectors were asking for more time and believed they could make sure Sadam had no WMD.

Now thanks to the Iraq debacle and Afghanistan the other countries you mentioned, (i won't make bid deal you mistake- we all make them. I don't see it as reflection on your intelligence) are in a stronger position to develop weapons as the US are unable to threaten anything as everybody knows they are overstretched.

The world is less safe because of Blairs decision


But to allow weapons inspectors back in they had to relax sanctions which would then allow Saddam to start gathering material again,
banned#34
DanJackson
Well he did something he believed was right at the time based on the evidence presented to him. He has nothing to repent on that basis.


I actually agree that he believed what he was doing was right, but I'm not so sure the 'evidence' had anything to do with it.

He even told Fern Britton that if it wasn't because of WMDs, then he still felt Saddam needed to be removed.
banned#35
ants97
or that by "illegally" invading iraq on the coat tails of the USA he's alienated and converted more terrorists of whatever persuasion and brought such an attack forward by 10-15 years.


Ah, that old argument....
#36
Plum
I prefer a somebody who is taking the decision to risk lives to be uncomfortable when explaining why all his histrionics about WMD turned out to be rubbish.


I'd prefer someone to be able to confidently explain why he took the decisions that he did. His confidence to me shows that he believes he did the right thing.

Now, I'm not arguing whether going to war was right or wrong. But what's worse, a PM that thinks he's right and has the courage of his convictions, or one that thinks he's doing the wrong thing but goes ahead and does it anyway?
#37



ah the old argument of comparing saddam to hitler
banned#38
civms47;7690996
[QUOTE=Plum]I prefer a somebody who is taking the decision to risk lives to be uncomfortable when explaining why all his histrionics about WMD turned out to be rubbish./QUOTE]

I'd prefer someone to be able to confidently explain why he took the decisions that he did. His confidence to me shows that he believes he did the right thing.

Now, I'm not arguing whether going to war was right or wrong. But what's worse, a PM that thinks he's right and has the courage of his convictions, or one that thinks he's doing the wrong thing but goes ahead and does it anyway?


I think someone who is single-mnded enough to think that what he wants to do is worth lying to the country about and sacrificing young men's and women's lives for is worse.

I suppose if you spent 7 years telling yourself you did the right thing for the right reasons, you might actually come to believe it.

Or at least sound plausible saying it.
#39
Inactive
She caused more harm to this country than Blair and all other politicians put together ever did.:x


Yep.
banned#40
ants97
ah the old argument of comparing saddam to hitler


No, I was actually compairing Blair to Chamberlain..... but I claim my Godwins... :thumbsup:

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