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Is calling something 'Gay' Homophobic?

Titchimp Avatar
8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
Basically ive got an infraction on my account for calling something 'Gay'

"You have received an infraction at HotUKDeals Forum.

Reason: Offensive/Insulted Other Member(s)
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homophobic comments"

Now i know calling something Gay isnt particulary intelligent and hardly stretches my vocabulary but it wasnt meant as to offend its just something that ive always said. I'm not homophobic, its just always been used to describe something rubbish.

I remembered something about Chris Moyles being attacked for a similar thing and so a google search found this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5049566.stm

He described something as gay on air and people wanted him sacked. A watchdog found

"The governors' programme complaints committee - which operates independently of the BBC - acknowledged Chris Moyles' description of a ringtone he did not like as "gay" could cause offence.

But the use of the word "gay" to mean "lame" or "rubbish" was widespread among young people, it said.

"In broadcasting to an audience of predominantly young people, it was to be expected that Chris Moyles would use expressions and words which the listeners used themselves," the committee's report said. "

Just wondering what other people think.
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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
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#2
I don't think it's homophobic, I just usually get the impression the persons a bit of an idiot really. :D
#3
i use it all the time. I dont actually mean it. Its the same thing was lame. Dont actually mean someone or something is lame, its just an adjective. Im with you titchimp
#4
Shut up you *** :whistling:

;-)
#5
words have tons of different meanings people ALWAYS seem to take them the wrong way

personally i think your infraction is ridiculous and the site is starting to give them out like free sweets
#6
I still recall when it meant happy.

Homophobic - NO, whatever definition you ascribe to the term.
1 Like #7
I guess that is pretty much the feeling of everyone. The thing is the mods do kinda have to do that because otherwise someone who was of that sexual orientation would get offended. Basically you're not wrong in using it but you shouldnt do it here, just in case
1 Like #8
If you call something stupid does that offend stupid people?? :roll:
#9
Celticsun
If you call something stupid does that offend stupid people?? :roll:


Repped:thumbsup:
#10
The word Gay was in use well before it attracted it's normal meaning of recent years.

There was series on ITV called the " Gay Cavalier ", he wasn't as far as I am aware " Gay ".


http://www.screenonline.org.uk/tv/id/1136187/
#11
Scream
I guess that is pretty much the feeling of everyone. The thing is the mods do kinda have to do that because otherwise someone who was of that sexual orientation would get offended. Basically you're not wrong in using it but you shouldnt do it here, just in case


Precisely :thumbsup:
#12
if people started saying "that's so p-a-ki" or "you are such a ni-gg-er"
would you think they were being offensive?

same kind of thing.
I think it's the negative connotation that is often applied to the word, I think people can be over sensitive to it but at the end of the day you are equating someone's lifestyle to something "lame" or "pathetic"
#13
blackrat62
I still recall when it meant happy.

Homophobic - NO, whatever definition you ascribe to the term.


My 6 y/o boy came to me last week and said, "dad I now know what gay means, it means that you are happy", and off he went smiling. Talk about a relief on my face:)
#14
Depends on the use as to whether it is homophobic, but regardless of that, it is not a term I use. I generally find better ways to get my point across that saying somebody or something is gay. Remember the term comes from teens believing that being gay is a bad thing, hence use it as a taunt often enough for people they don't like - it just often doesn't get phased out by young people as they grow, for whatever reason. It may become less meaningful which I feel is where the context becomes important.

If young people thought being a Pakistani was "bad" and called people they didn't like "****" I would suggest that that was racist, hence why I don't like to see the term "gay" being used, especially not by the media. James May is somebody who often uses the term and that does not impress me.

If a word is used in a negative fashion, then of course people will presume that the word you are using is one you take negatively. Hence if you say something bad is gay, what does that suggest you feel about gay people?
#15
Scream
I guess that is pretty much the feeling of everyone. The thing is the mods do kinda have to do that because otherwise someone who was of that sexual orientation would get offended. Basically you're not wrong in using it but you shouldnt do it here, just in case


how are they not wrong to do it if it shouldn't be done? lol
#16
Thanks for the replies guys, its good to see what people think.

I remember at school we sang a song refering to someone as happy and gay, people thought that was funny at the time.

I know its not PC but i would maintain its not meant to be offensive. A gay Colleage called me out when i described something as gay and i poo'd myself a little bit but he was only messing around.
#17
I dont mind it if people call each other gay as an insult or joke

But i draw the line when people start using words like "retard"
#18
Personally I think it's just another word for homosexual. I've heard it also being used instead of the word lesbian?

I think with today's society we can't be bothered to use the English language correctly (text talk, emails, etc) which is why I guess gay has now been used instead of the word homosexual.
#19
mrsj2008;2842922
Personally I think it's just another word for homosexual. I've heard it also being used instead of the word lesbian?

I think with today's society we can't be bothered to use the English language correctly (text talk, emails, etc) which is why I guess gay has now been used instead of the word homosexual.


Gay wasa term used as homosexual but then Homosexual became the PC term and now i think it might be back to Gay. i'm not sure.
#20
akme;2842915

But i draw the line when people start using words like "retard"


Best line in CSI ever:

Having arrested a guy who killed someone with down syndrome (Who refers to the person as "That retard" Gil Grissom comes out with this amazing line:

"Oh and by the way the deffinition of retarded is to hinder or to hold one back... I think your life is about to become retarded."
#21
arcsbite
how are they not wrong to do it if it shouldn't be done? lol


[SIZE="1"]shhhhhhh......... just realised that myself :oops:[/SIZE]
banned#22
Well Ive certainly seen the word gay used here time and time again without problems and the usage you stated, seems pretty much ok to me.

My littlun came in yesterday and called his brother gay. When asked if he knew what it meant, he said "its when someone touches your nipples or boobs." Since, his intended remark, was meant as an insult (regardless of not knowing the meaning) he was told off and told not to use the word.

Gone are the days when being gay meant you were just happy! Maybe thats the problem now?

If the use of this word is deemed offensive, perhaps it should be in the banned filter. Though it baffles the hell out of me how it could offend an object!
#23
guv
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Gone are the days when being gay meant you were just happy! Maybe thats the problem now?


Agreed.:thumbsup:
#24
It's a bit of a tricky one. Obviously if the hearer/reader interprets it as homophobic, presumably from the context, it's a problem. If it's considered abusive it might be best to have it on automatic filter out. I think that there was a discussion thread that touched on this a bit back.
However, in common parlance, by the youth of today, it has nothing to do with homosexuality and means daft or hopeless, usually. In a similar way 'gay' had nothing to do with homosexuality for a substantial earlier part of my life!!
1 Like #25
arcsbite
if people started saying "that's so p-a-ki" or "you are such a ni-gg-er"
would you think they were being offensive?

same kind of thing.
I think it's the negative connotation that the word is used in, I think people can be over sensitive to it but at the end of the day you are equating someone's lifestyle to something "lame" or "pathetic"


Or maybe just gross? I mean, I can't stand the thought of the gay lifestyle. To me, it's like that Scottish homosexual off this year's (and, I guess, every year's) Big Brother - being a prancy, bitchy, foul little poof, and then taking it up the bum from his boyfriend. Being completely honest, I find it all vile.

But then, I have homosexual clients, and I have homosexual friends. Okay, I turn pale when I see their porn, but besides that, I'm fine with them. As far as I can tell, I don't have a problem with the gay orientation, just the gay lifestyle. I don't understand it. Does it make me homophobic, or is it just a legitmate personality clash? And does anyone else feel the same way?
banned#26
chesso
it has nothing to do with homosexuality and means daft or hopeless, usually. In a similar way 'gay' had nothing to do with homosexuality for a substantial earlier part of my life!!


Maybe the Flintstones should be banned!!!!! They seem to have a gay old time every show!
#27
guv;2843047
Maybe the Flintstones should be banned!!!!! They seem to have a gay old time every show!


The flintstones was a different time altogether:

Check out the smoking ad - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAExoSozc2c

:w00t:
#28
guv
Maybe the Flintstones should be banned!!!!! They seem to have a gay old time every show!


But again, people use it in a negative sense, as in if somebody does something "wrong" they may be called "gay" - thus implying that being gay is wrong too. The comparison previously with "is calling somebody stupid offending stupid people?" is off the mark since "stupid" is already an "offensive word". I just think that people should avoid using a word that describes a group of people to describe incorrect or wrong actions, no matter how peverse you may think their lifestyle is.
#29
guv
Maybe the Flintstones should be banned!!!!! They seem to have a gay old time every show!


I always thought Fred spent a bit too much time with Barney
1 Like #30
dxx;2843015
Or maybe just gross? I mean, I can't stand the thought of the gay lifestyle. To me, it's like that Scottish homosexual off this year's (and, I guess, every year's) Big Brother - being a prancy, bitchy, foul little poof, and then taking it up the bum from his boyfriend. Being completely honest, I find it all vile.

But then, I have homosexual clients, and I have homosexual friends. Okay, I turn pale when I see their porn, but besides that, I'm fine with them. As far as I can tell, I don't have a problem with the gay orientation, just the gay lifestyle. I don't understand it. Does it make me homophobic, or is it just a legitmate personality clash? And does anyone else feel the same way?


I think the difference is that you are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to insult others due to opposing opinions.

I'd be interested to know how your gay friends would feel about you after reading that statement however,
I can't imagine it would be easy to be friends with someone that thinks you're "vile"
banned#31
Titchimp
The flintstones was a different time altogether:

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Agreed..... but that same music is even still used now and in the films!

Now its quite obviously not meant in an offensive way in any shape or form. But it IS "that" word nonetheless! Claim you live in a time warp. That should hold water! :thumbsup:
#32
Off course this is homophobic!! As a gay member, I find it offensive in the extreme. Consider where the word has been adopted from. It wasn't from its use within 'the gay cavalier' but has arisen only very very recently and as such is derived from the homosexual meaning of the word.
Imagine if people started calling naff/bad things afro-cariabean...
oh that [insert naff thing] is sooooooo afrocaribean/downs syndrome/any other minority.
Remember those that look out to the minorities see a different view to those looking in from the minorities- and kalma to all:thumbsup:
#33
pghstochaj
But again, people use it in a negative sense, as in if somebody does something "wrong" they may be called "gay" - thus implying that being gay is wrong too. The comparison previously with "is calling somebody stupid offending stupid people?" is off the mark since "stupid" is already an "offensive word". I just think that people should avoid using a word that describes a group of people to describe incorrect or wrong actions, no matter how peverse you may think their lifestyle is.


My point was in this instance and what the infraction was attributed to was the fact the original OP was referring to an inanimate object, surely this shouldn't be offensive!? Nor can calling my mobile 'Stupid' for signal loss.

Choooo Chooooooooo... Next stop on the PC train......... Ironyville
1 Like #34
Its pretty simple - if you use the word in a derogatory way - describing something as not good, rubbish etc - then it is clearly going to cause offence to those who associate with the word in a positive way. The use of 'gay' to mean rubbish stems from the negative use of the word to mean homosexual. Whilst I'm sure you meant no offence and were not intentionally being homophobic, and the word is widely use by younger people in the manner you describe, there are still plenty of more appropriate words you could have used.
#35
Celticsun
My point was in this instance and what the infraction was attributed to was the fact the original OP was referring to an inanimate object, surely this shouldn't be offensive!? Nor can calling my mobile 'Stupid' for signal loss.

Choooo Chooooooooo... Next stop on the PC train......... Ironyville


Political correctness or fairness? A fine line. Of course it can be offensive, since it is a negative reference and they attributed it to a branch of society (being gay). I would certainly not find it appropriate if somebody used the negative word for black people to describe a failed item (or similar) because it works in reverse, suggesting that black people how the same attributes of the failed item.

The idea of "PC" is always brought out when people are pushed away from using words and expressions is a negative light, to me it is just common sense. I can't understand why people can't see that it works in reverse, if something is "wrong" (i.e. your phone has no signal so you call it "gay") then you are inadvertently suggesting that being gay has the same property of being wrong. If you called somebody (for making a mistake, or an item for not working) a Jew, it would also be wrong as that attributes backwards that Jews are not working or makes mistakes, which is not true.
banned#36
arcsbite

I'd be interested to know how your gay friends would feel about you after reading that statement however,
I can't imagine it would be easy to be friends with someone that thinks you're "vile"


But thats the thing. If they are friends, you can say things that are not taken as an insult, but would obviously cause offense if said to someone you dont know.

To a gay guy I work with, I often have a few gay references into the conversation and its taken the way it was intended. (ie it was a funny.) I will give an example....... He mentioned he was moving out to the country and that he would be buying lots of animals. He mentioned 3 dogs and then said he would also get chickens. (Saying it would be great to have fresh eggs in the morning.) I just asked him if he wouldn't prefer to miss out on the eggs and get male chickens instead. He found the intended reference hilarious as did everyone else. It clearly was a sexist type comment, but it certainly wasnt homophobic and there was zero offence intended or taken. Similarly he has said "I can't sit down at the moment" and had the reply "that's too much information."

Like everything else, things depend on the circumstances, the person its said to and the way its said and intended.

If I bought a car that was pink and said it looked gay, could anyone hand on heart think that remark was offensive? By all means explain if you think it could be conscrued as offensive if you think it would be.
#37
guv

If I bought a car that was pink and said it looked gay, could anyone hand on heart think that remark was offensive? By all means explain if you think it could be conscrued as offensive if you think it would be.

Why would you say that it looks gay? It doesn't make sense unless you explain what you mean by it looks gay. Does it look wrong? Silly? For a gay person? If the final thing, that's stereotyping (and how many gay people would drive a pink car?). If somebody said that to me at work, I would not feel comfortable, but then I believe nobody I work with would make such a comment.

It is offensive, in my opinion, if something is "wrong" for whatever reason, whether it is broken, not working, looks wrong etc. and somebody uses the word "gay" to describe it. Why? Because the idea that it is "wrong" and using the word "gay" to describe it, links the idea of being gay and wrong together - which is homophobic. Like wise, if you use another group in society to describe something with the same "wrong" characteristic, it would also often be offensive.
banned#38
Pointless threads seem to be the norm. in Misc from what I've seen :) (this being one).

So you got an infraction - not the end of the world. Last I checked being homophobic isn't a crime. If dxx finds some variation of a gay lifestyle vile then so be it; I hate the notion that everyone should conform (to one set of rules).
#39
guv;2843217
But thats the thing. If they are friends, you can say things that are not taken as an insult, but would obviously cause offense if said to someone you dont know.

To a gay guy I work with, I often have a few gay references into the conversation and its taken the way it was intended. (ie it was a funny.) I will give an example....... He mentioned he was moving out to the country and that he would be buying lots of animals. He mentioned 3 dogs and then said he would also get chickens. (Saying it would be great to have fresh eggs in the morning.) I just asked him if he wouldn't prefer to miss out on the eggs and get male chickens instead. He found the intended reference hilarious as did everyone else. It clearly was a sexist type comment, but it certainly wasnt homophobic and there was zero offence intended or taken. Similarly he has said "I can't sit down at the moment" and had the reply "that's too much information."

Like everything else, things depend on the circumstances, the person its said to and the way its said and intended.

If I bought a car that was pink and said it looked gay, could anyone hand on heart think that remark was offensive? By all means explain if you think it could be conscrued as offensive if you think it would be.


that is different though, an in joke with a friend is not the same as them knowing that you think they're lifestyle is vile and that you think gay people are "foul poofs" is it?
If a gay person takes issue with the "chicken" situation I would see that as their problem for a complete lack of humor

as for the "car" why does it look gay? what is gay about it? you are generalising and using a cliche to make a statement, that's like saying you haggled for the car and you was so Jewish.
Pink isn't gay, all gay people are not camp and sequin based, so although it is not meant as an offensive gesture and it's not that big of a deal, what you are doing is detrimentally categorising an entire set of people based on an archaic assumption that originally stemmed from hatred and intolerance.
#40
beelzebub
Pointless threads seem to be the norm. in Misc from what I've seen :) (this being one).

So you got an infraction - not the end of the world. Last I checked being homophobic isn't a crime. If dxx finds some variation of a gay lifestyle vile then so be it; I hate the notion that everyone should conform (to one set of rules).


Being homophobic can be a crime, depending to what extent you act in that way.

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