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Is it the economic crisis?

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banned7y, 5m agoPosted 7 years, 5 months ago
that's testing people's patience?

Its noticable on here that the more people who ask for financial advice for whatever reason, but disclose that they aren't working are bombarded with comments, myself included about getting a job and paying their own way.

'deals' about benefits or free government money are often cold, because employed citizens are often ineligible.

Realistically, it's getting harder for anyone to find a job these days, which I think is making us less understanding of those who appear to not be trying. I'm one of the worst-often knowing little of someones personal circumstances, but feeling angered enough to comment negatively on posts appealing for help regarding getting free government money.

This isn't a thread aimed at targeting the unemployed, those on the dole, foreigners etc, I just wondered whether people think the recession is taking an impact on how we treat others in a different financial circumstance to ourselves. Is it making us less reasonable and sympathetic? And where do we go from here?


For those of you who aren't into political discussions, how you doin? lol
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banned7y, 5m agoPosted 7 years, 5 months ago
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No - I just think some members get a kick out of being unpleasant to others.....

Site never used to be like that - if a member asked for help people would either give it or not. Now the most common response is to criticise the OP
#2
I resent knocking my pan in only to see £600+ coming off in taxes every single month.

So yeah, it annoys me when people screw the system for all they can get.

There are jobs out there, if I had to, I would do any job to support myself and my family.
suspended#3
No i personally think its always been there and always will be, It's a lot harder to get a job these day so people should think first.
I suppose in a way people are fed up with it, people sit on the dole for years and others lose their jobs and have to go on it temp but at the moment everyone seems to be tarred with the same brush
#4
I think people become more resentful in financially tight times, and you can understand a hard working person being frustrated with people who milk the system and unfortunately this translates into some people labelling everyone receiving benefits as dole scroungers, etc.... obviously those with our heads screwed on know that some are and some aren't but I think it does affect opinion, yes.

And also, is a nightmare finding work atm- I've just graduated and I'm not even looking at graduate-level jobs and still getting nowhere. Depressing times!
banned#5
Starr
No i personally think its always been there and always will be, It's a lot harder to get a job these day so people should think first.
I suppose in a way people are fed up with it, people sit on the dole for years and others lose their jobs and have to go on it temp but at the moment everyone seems to be tarred with the same brush


This is what i'm thinking, as unemployment and government spending etc is at the forefront, I'm wondering whether people immediately jump to the wrong conclusions earlier these days. I feel more infuriated with those who sit on benefits than before, but I don't know whether this is because I am getting older and understand the system more, or whether this 'crisis' is making me less tolerant of others who don't seem to be making an effort.
#6
grex9101
I resent knocking my pan in only to see £600+ coming off in taxes every single month.

So yeah, it annoys me when people screw the system for all they can get.

There are jobs out there, if I had to, I would do any job to support myself and my family.


+100000000000

With ya there my celtic bretheren :thumbsup:
#7
to be honest, we are a household of 5 ...i work, my husband works away for far less than he should, my son is an it support guy so not on a bad wage, middle girl is at uni but works nights at weekends to have nice girly things, youngest moves from job to job but always has one ..recession hasn't affected us because we try ...and yes i get angered at people that won't pull their finger out and better themselves, there are immigrants out there working all hours and sending money home and fair play to them ....i am not sympathetic because there really are jobs out there and the recession is just an excuse
#8
tinkerbell28
No as I would never judge a person on benefits ever. We have been there where we are so skint we don't know where the next £ is coming from. My husbands job now he has climbed the career ladder, the lean times have been outweighed so yes we are very fortunate, but my god we have been skint.
I would never judge those that need help with disabilities etc, I am very lucky I can be a SAHM mum, we are still entitled to DLA due to my sons severe needs, so we get that benefit we can use for respite etc. But everyone on DLA is a scrounger :)
I have seen close friends recently literally having to beg for the likes of JSA, it's sad.
Never judge those on benefits, you don't know when fate will come knocking.............


Do you mean NOT everyone on DLA is a scrounger?? Confused!!
#9
gari189
No - I just think some members get a kick out of being unpleasant to others.....

Site never used to be like that - if a member asked for help people would either give it or not. Now the most common response is to criticise the OP


There's still a few of us helpful sorts left.... shame so many have moved on however :)
#10
bazzaric
There's still a few of us helpful sorts left.... shame so many have moved on however :)


Sincerity lost unless pictured with a bra on your backside reciting the words to "wannabe" by the Spice Girls . . .
#11
tinkerbell28
No it was sarcasm, comes across badly in text :)


Oh, haha, sorry my bad :-D
#12
mbgringo
+100000000000

With ya there my celtic bretheren :thumbsup:


:thumbsup:
banned#13
tinkerbell28
No as I would never judge a person on benefits ever. We have been there where we are so skint we don't know where the next £ is coming from. My husbands job now he has climbed the career ladder, the lean times have been outweighed so yes we are very fortunate, but my god we have been skint.
I would never judge those that need help with disabilities etc, I am very lucky I can be a SAHM mum, we are still entitled to DLA due to my sons severe needs, so we get that benefit we can use for respite etc. But everyone on DLA is a scrounger :)
I have seen close friends recently literally having to beg for the likes of JSA, it's sad.
Never judge those on benefits, you don't know when fate will come knocking.............


See, this really angers me also. I work in education, so constantly see parents and children WHO NEED MORE MONEY. whether it's because of a disability, or special need, or simply because they are in poorly paid employment and cannot afford the basics such as a school uniform.
Yet people in this situation are overlooked or paid a pittance, when others sit on benefits for years because they have no ambition or need to find a job whilst they're being paid to do nothing. The people who need it have to resort to begging for the help where it should be directed primarily to them in priority over job seekers.
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mbgringo
Sincerity lost unless pictured with a bra on your backside reciting the words to "wannabe" by the Spice Girls . . .


I tell you what I want what I really really want....

A nice HUKD love in :p
#15
queenlush;5600728
to be honest, we are a household of 5 ...i work, my husband works away for far less than he should, my son is an it support guy so not on a bad wage, middle girl is at uni but works nights at weekends to have nice girly things, youngest moves from job to job but always has one ..recession hasn't affected us because we try ...and yes i get angered at people that won't pull their finger out and better themselves, there are immigrants out there working all hours and sending money home and fair play to them ....i am not sympathetic because there really are jobs out there and the recession is just an excuse

+1
#16
bazzaric
I tell you what I want what I really really want....

A nice HUKD love in :p


Giz a cuddle then ya big bear :w00t:
#17
The problem this country has is a benefits system that rewards people who do not work and do not try and better themselves through working or education. A single parent myself (bring on the hate) I never intended to be on benefits but have been forced into hardship each time I have attempted to climb into employment either through getting a job or finishing my degree. I will admit benefits are a cushy life compared to the alternatives but that is not my fault and basing my decision purely on what is best for my son I have been out of work recently.
#18
mbgringo
Giz a cuddle then ya big bear :w00t:


no time i'm afraid, too busy hittin on scousers and working to pay my taxes :thumbsup:
#19
My gripe isn't necessarily with people on benefit who need it for whatever reason; but with the system that seems to allow people who could work to scrounge and get away with it and life a better life than many who do work!
#20
we have a councillor who is on benefits and does not claim the £ 10,000.00 per year because he is better off on benefits - no incentive is there !
banned#21
StudentJo
The problem this country has is a benefits system that rewards people who do not work and do not try and better themselves through working or education. A single parent myself (bring on the hate) I never intended to be on benefits but have been forced into hardship each time I have attempted to climb into employment either through getting a job or finishing my degree. I will admit benefits are a cushy life compared to the alternatives but that is not my fault and basing my decision purely on what is best for my son I have been out of work recently.


See, I kind of agree with you here, it's not your fault our governments system is so messed up. By the time you get into work, pay taxes, childcare etc, then you're probably on the same money, or less, than if you just claim benefits.

just like the MPs expenses, it was wrong, but at the time they were allowed to do it, so they probably thought, well why shouldnt we, everyone else is.

How do you feel when you;re on benefits. I bet most people are laughing with all the free money, I think I'd just feel degraded that I'm claiming having always had a job. I buy my own things with my own money, not someone elses taxes. Mind you, I don't have a family to support.

I just think we, as a country, are fast losing ambition. Noone has the incentive to get anywhere,as the government actively supports those who don't bother. will this change if a different party get into the government? no idea, but if it does, a lot of scroungers will kick off big time and could bring this country to its knees.
#22
NOT EVERYONE ON BENEFITS IS WELL OFF!!!!

If i could work i would i would have a lot more money if we both worked we cant so dont, i have never had it so hard since stopping work and going on benefits, but i dont have the luxury of a choice.


really does pee me off when i read some of the posts on here some of you really do ahve no idea how hard it is.....
#23
I think the problem is that people CAN have it easy on benefits but a lot of people WANT to own their own house (not easy now), support their family and pay their own way (even though i'm left with nothing after bills etc most months!!). My job is looking very dodgy at the moment......been there nearly 11 years and worrying now :-(
StudentJo said 'The problem this country has is a benefits system that rewards people who do not work and do not try and better themselves through working or education. A single parent myself (bring on the hate) I never intended to be on benefits but have been forced into hardship each time I have attempted to climb into employment either through getting a job or finishing my degree. I will admit benefits are a cushy life compared to the alternatives but that is not my fault and basing my decision purely on what is best for my son I have been out of work recently.' and i agree except the 'bring on the hate' part, you have to do everything for your child if that's the best thing then so be it
banned#24
ilovepink
NOT EVERYONE ON BENEFITS IS WELL OFF!!!!

If i could work i would i would have a lot more money if we both worked we cant so dont, i have never had it so hard since stopping work and going on benefits, but i dont have the luxury of a choice.


really does pee me off when i read some of the posts on here some of you really do ahve no idea how hard it is.....


You seem to suggest that you can't work, and we have stated in earlier discussions that those who are disabled or have disabled children should be entitled to more benefits, but struggle to get what's deserved because of jobseekers siphoning off the money elsewhere when they really should choose between being in employment or supporting themselves. If your situation is that of someone who is disabled, then we have already identified sympathy.
#25
I'm sorry, but not working should not be a "choice" for ANY able-bodied and mentally capable adult in the UK.

Now either, the individuals are at fault or the government is. The truth is somewhere in the middle.


People should be utterly ashamed not to work, there should be a stigma against the unemployed.


Choose not to work by all means, just don't expect me to pay for it.


(not directed at anyone in particular)
#26
H_K
You seem to suggest that you can't work, and we have stated in earlier discussions that those who are disabled or have disabled children should be entitled to more benefits, but struggle to get what's deserved because of jobseekers siphoning off the money elsewhere when they really should choose between being in employment or supporting themselves. If your situation is that of someone who is disabled, then we have already identified sympathy.


Im a full time carer to my partner
banned#27
NeilGY
I think the problem is that people CAN have it easy on benefits but a lot of people WANT to own their own house (not easy now), support their family and pay their own way (even though i'm left with nothing after bills etc most months!!). My job is looking very dodgy at the moment......been there nearly 11 years and worrying now :-(
StudentJo said 'The problem this country has is a benefits system that rewards people who do not work and do not try and better themselves through working or education. A single parent myself (bring on the hate) I never intended to be on benefits but have been forced into hardship each time I have attempted to climb into employment either through getting a job or finishing my degree. I will admit benefits are a cushy life compared to the alternatives but that is not my fault and basing my decision purely on what is best for my son I have been out of work recently.' and i agree except the 'bring on the hate' part, you have to do everything for your child if that's the best thing then so be it


I completely agree, there is little hate on the site for single parents, in fact I know many who admire such people. We must remember that it takes 2 to make a baby, but often only one is left holding the baby for whatever reason-anything can happen. I have friends whose partners have passed away, run off or simply drifted apart with age. There is little hate for those of you in that situation.
#28
Time to pull up a chair and wait for Lumoruk
#29
tinkerbell28
Yes a disability does come into play with this situation, hope you don't mind me saying ILP. It's so hard :-(


no its ok most know on here really annoys me cause everyone thinks people on benefits are like rich or something i wish lol
#30
grex9101
I'm sorry, but not working should not be a "choice" for ANY able-bodied and mentally capable adult in the UK.

Now either, the individuals are at fault or the government is. The truth is somewhere in the middle.


People should be utterly ashamed not to work, there should be a stigma against the unemployed.


Choose not to work by all means, just don't expect me to pay for it.


(not directed at anyone in particular)

my thoughts ..i live next door to people on "the sick " ..they sleep all day and party all night ..yes i am bitter
#31
ilovepink
no its ok most know on here really annoys me cause everyone thinks people on benefits are like rich or something i wish lol


Who said most? but come on...it must annoy you also when you know other people out there that could work but just don't and seem to be able to get away with claiming everything under the sun.
banned#32
ilovepink
no its ok most know on here either really annoys me cause everyone thinks people on benefits are like rich or something i wish lol


No, if you'd read only a few posts before, we had already identified and discussed how those who actually NEED the money, rarely get it. But do not be disillusioned either that benefits are small, I know of families who claim incredible amounts each month because of the number of children they have, etc etc. Many people on benefits who don't deserve it ARE rich.

I have enormous sympathy for persons in your situation, and even Grex, who is almost as harsh as me on benefits claimants, clearly specifies that he is not categorising those in your situation.
#33
queenlush
my thoughts ..i live next door to people on "the sick " ..they sleep all day and party all night ..yes i am bitter


Grass them in.

I would.

Build up a portfolio of how "sick" they aren't.... :thumbsup: :-D
#34
its hard when all your mates all have their own homes (not council) and both of them work and they go out all the time have this and that, invite you places and you cant afford to go, im not jealous and i do not resent my friends or partner in anyway but i wish there was more help out there for peeps in my position
#35
H_K

I have enormous sympathy for persons in your situation, and even Grex, who is almost as harsh as me on benefits claimants, clearly specifies that he is not categorising those in your situation.


EVEN me? :?

I must be one of the hard-liners on the misc :-D
#36
One basic fact is that civilization is based on the rich looking after the poor, the healthy looking after the sick, the young looking after the old etc...
The problem is getting a balance of making it just about uncomfortable enough to claim benefits without making life hard for those that really need it.
banned#37
grex9101
EVEN me? :?

I must be one of the hard-liners on the misc :-D


lol u know what i mean hun, ur one of the only ones who came out with something so extreme, completely agree myself, if only the rest of the country agreed then maybe we could sort this place out!!

Shall we run for prime minister together? I'm game if you are...x
#38
H_K
lol u know what i mean hun, ur one of the only ones who came out with something so extreme, completely agree myself, if only the rest of the country agreed then maybe we could sort this place out!!

Shall we run for prime minister together? I'm game if you are...x


I'm very much maligned and misunderstood :?

You can be the acceptable public face, I'll tweak the policies :-D
#39
[QUOTE=grex9101]I'm very much maligned and misunderstood :?

My God....was that the Shaymen??
#40
NeilGY;5601168
[QUOTE=grex9101]I'm very much maligned and misunderstood :?

My God....was that the Shaymen??


Wow, well done!! :-D



(SRSLY need to get new speak!!)

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