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#1
GAH WHY HAVE HUKD CENSORED ALL URL SHORTENINGS?!? CLICK ME FOR SKY NEWS LINK

Don't get me wrong vile policies/history/manifestoes/people/members etc.

But it's as if the 20th Century and it's culture just won't foad :)
#2
HaHa, thats the SNP mate.
#3
SNP ain't that bad mate :lol:
#4
milewide;8450093
HaHa, thats the SNP mate.


Whoops, fixed, yeah I was looking at both. SNP taking BBC to court.
#5
i dont pay much attention to politics good or bad. i saw on the tv that marmite are suing them for something tho
#6
Eez1;8450120
i dont pay much attention to politics good or bad. i saw on the tv that marmite are suing them for something tho


Yeah some video was edited to have Marmite jar in the corner.
#7
whats ur take on immigration in this country then
#8
Eez1;8450171
whats ur take on immigration in this country then


If you Google for yourself, you will see multiple job advert tests for cleaning/menial jobs in areas of massive unemployment percentages, they get nil or virtually no replies or enquiries for those jobs. Why?: Because a British born and bred (of any bloody heritage but it is mostly white despite the Daily Mail and the Sun) prefer benefits over a job that requires hard graft, seemingly thinking they are entitled to a cushy do-nothing office job.

Personally I think we need to adopt a more American type system on benefits, you work for them, or get them cut off, simples.

So, business's need people to do the menial jobs, the fruit pickers, salad packers, the cleaners, guess what, immigrants will do it and take the pay and not whine, not moan and be efficient and be on time.
Company my family use for double glazing, 100% Polish workforce, Irish management/owner wouldn't touch English workers due to history and how they work.
Technically UKIP etc is kind of right, UK filling up, unfortunately we have a growing benefit culture segment of society that won't do that jobs that immigrants will. Scotland right now has a massive demand for such people.. again Google for yourself.
#9
schizoboy
Is it wrong that as a 2nd Gen. Immigrant I find the BNP really amusing? Link in 2nd post....


Not as wrong as a UK citizen being treated like a 2nd class citizen because the government give immigrants the VIP treatment.

The only thing I like about the BNP is that they are not afraid to openly discuss issues that are at the forefront of many peoples minds in the UK. Every other political party craps their pants when it comes issues like that. Simply becuase we have a namby-pamby government that has managed to shape peoples views as being 'racist' whenever they have opposing views on religion, race and immigrants.

:)

Edit : The recent actions and views of the French government at least shows that some leaders in Europe have the balls to tackle the issue (no pun intended) :w00t:
#10
StevenA2000_uk;8450280
Not as wrong as a UK citizen being treated like a 2nd class citizen because the government give immigrants the VIP treatment.

The only thing I like about the BNP is that they are not afraid to openly discuss issues that are at the forefront of many peoples minds in the UK. Every other political party craps their pants when it comes issues like that. Simply becuase we have a namby-pamby government that has managed to shape peoples views as being 'racist' whenever they have opposing views on religion, race and immigrants.

:)


Ask yourself this, what exactly, precisely is the source of the jealousy, unfairness that this very vocal minority have about immigrants being housed by UK Gov. when most of them, work harder/better than average working class British born Citizen?
If it was a completely fair, just, calculated exact comparison which proved there is something unfair, I might even support it, unfortunately considering the attitudes I have witnessed, for the most part it's NOT in my opinion.

The business communities are screaming for minimum wage job employee's, maybe not so much now due to recession, CBI have posted plenty of information on this. Yet Benefits is the biggest eater of UK GDP and I suspect one of the biggest in Europe despite socialist states like France and Sweden etc.
#11
i dunno. in my uneducated opinion u cant justify the mass migration and influx into the country simply by pointing out immigrants will do the menial and labouring jobs better than british born citz. as politically incorrect as it seems to everyone a cap needs to be put on and shouldve been introduced a long time ago. there are simply too many, many of who are here illegally and the resources used to put them up while they claim asylum after wrongfully entering the country cuts a big chunk too. i have no issue with race in all this, im mixed race myself but we need to sort things out closer to home and educate or train our own
#12
Eez1;8450412
i dunno. in my uneducated opinion u cant justify the mass migration and influx into the country simply by pointing out immigrants will do the menial and labouring jobs better than british born citz. as politically incorrect as it seems to everyone a cap needs to be put on and shouldve been introduced a long time ago. there are simply too many, many of who are here illegally and the resources used to put them up while they claim asylum after wrongfully entering the country cuts a big chunk too. i have no issue with race in all this, im mixed race myself but we need to sort things out closer to home and educate or train our own


It's a cultural problem, sooooooooo many people think they are entitled to better, I suspect alot of it is down to this grotesque X-Factor type fame type thinking, where too many children believe they now have the right, not potential or talent or skill, but right, to a rich effortless graftless lifestyle and many will not get onto an apprenticeship, training to do the jobs that UK needs.

Ultimately though you are right, when we hit 70million soon it'll become a big big issue, but tell me, how do you solve a ever growing leeching benefit culture which frankly is utterly devastating UK Production and wealth making potential with jobs that need filling which "immigrants" will do?

An impossible question really, whether Tories win Thursday after next or not, I can foresee they will eventually be in Government and they will have to make some Thatchesque type choices when it comes to benefits, it's hurting us far far too much, and is a tiny tiny fraction of the cost of having all these immigrants here which are a drop in the ocean compared to British born leechers.

Noone in my family, as ever, ever been on the dole or needed any extra superfluous benefits of any kind, so the stereotype that all immigrants are hurting the UK economy is not only borderline racist but a complete fallacy, a big enough lie that the disillusioned unemployed swallow with ready eagerness to feel slightly better about themselves as they can blame "them".
#13
I think amusing is a strange way to describe the conversation. Seems like standard BNP unwritten policy.

Lots of working people feel they have been abandoned. Often because they cant afford and cant get access to cheap housing. Also because many of the traditional forms of employment have disapeared. The introduction of large scale immigration has muddied the waters still further.

Early in the last century the horse became redundant, being replaced by cars, and engines. Now in many instances people are being made redundant. There are always a percentage of jobs that will be unfilled but it does not necessarily follow that people should be made to starve if they are not prepared to scramble to fill these particular roles.
In the past large scale wars or disease has reduced population numbers. If that is considered too drastic a step maybe some serious thought needs to be given to things like job sharing so that everyone is required to play a part in some way.
#14
its just 1 big cluster f**k =] im emigrating soon
#15
Eez1;8450488
its just 1 big cluster f**k =] im emigrating soon


Oh where to? My sister moved to Spain nearly 4 years ago, she's far far happier there albeit Spain has it's own problems but beach/sun helps make up for it I think!
(I don't think anyone has shouted at her: "Go back where you bloody came from" mind :))
#16
schizoboy
Oh where to? My sister moved to Spain nearly 4 years ago, she's far far happier there albeit Spain has it's own problems but beach/sun helps make up for it I think!
(I don't think anyone has shouted at her: "Go back where you bloody came from" mind :))


haha hope i get the same welcome in Aus =]
#17
Eez1;8450537
haha hope i get the same welcome in Aus =]


I hope you do not have any hopes for a Government type job (Teacher etc) there.

I know someone went there, Teacher, couldn't find work no matter what for well over a year, this is why:

Any Government paid job has a singularly racist employment system:

Tier One Preference: Born within the State Highest Priority for employment
Tier Two Preference: Born within Australia Medium Priority for employment
Tier Three Preference: RoW Lowest Priority for employment

They have an appalling history with Asians and aboriginals but happy to boast plentiful Western immigrants... albeit they do have a points system similar to ours.

Great country but multiple fails on many levels.
#18
If everyone got rid of all their labour saving devices there would immediately be more work to be done. Our society has changed. We also have a greater population to support.
As a country we CAN do this, but there is always a cost. It is seen as unfair that some people are working extremely long hours whilst others are supposedly living the life of riley.
The percieved unfairness generates anger and potentially sends votes to fringe parties like the BNP.
For many years now we have had television programmes tell us that in the future we wont need to do this or that for ourselves but in truth its only the more wealthy members of society that are supposed to be able to take advantage of this. Anyone else is refered to as lazy, idle, ****s.
Cant blame immigrants for looking for a better life for themselves. Everybody attempts to do that.
#19
schizoboy
It's a cultural problem, sooooooooo many people think they are entitled to better, I suspect alot of it is down to this grotesque X-Factor type fame type thinking, where too many children believe they now have the right, not potential or talent or skill, but right, to a rich effortless graftless lifestyle and many will not get onto an apprenticeship, training to do the jobs that UK needs.

Ultimately though you are right, when we hit 70million soon it'll become a big big issue, but tell me, how do you solve a ever growing leeching benefit culture which frankly is utterly devastating UK Production and wealth making potential with jobs that need filling which "immigrants" will do?

An impossible question really, whether Tories win Thursday after next or not, I can foresee they will eventually be in Government and they will have to make some Thatchesque type choices when it comes to benefits, it's hurting us far far too much, and is a tiny tiny fraction of the cost of having all these immigrants here which are a drop in the ocean compared to British born leechers.

[COLOR="Red"]Uk unemployment is around 2.5 million, immigration figures are well over 500,000 EVERY YEAR (closer to 600,000), how is that a drop in the ocean? On top of that, some portion of the unemployed are a result of immigration to this country and no attempt to find work[/COLOR]

Noone in my family, as ever, ever been on the dole or needed any extra superfluous benefits of any kind,

[COLOR="Red"]Under what circumstances was the initial immigration of your family? I would say that immigration to this country is a benefit in itself. One which the british born do not have access to.Also, are you saying none of your family have recieved tax credits or others for the children in the family?[/COLOR]

so the stereotype that all immigrants are hurting the UK economy is not only borderline racist but a complete fallacy, a big enough lie that the disillusioned unemployed swallow with ready eagerness to feel slightly better about themselves as they can blame "them".
#20
Drop in the Ocean in terms of GDP numbers, leeching off the state, imo they are a small percentage compared to the home grown variety. You assume average immigrant is as big a leech on UK economy as average benefit leecher from UK, not in a million years, other countries have maintained their work ethic values unlike UK.

By the time tax credits had arrived me and my sister were already grown up so I expect wouldn't of qualified, not that I think we would have beforehand anyways.
Emigrating to the UK "is a benefit in itself".

Do you think there should be a immigration tax? if you move here you pay a lump sum to say thank you? I think the points system we now have covers this, albeit for outside EU. To overly generalise I do not see the problem with giving the jobs to other Europeans if benefit scum UKers will not do the jobs and imo if you are on benefits for over a year, are capable of working, there should be mandatory work schemes as in America or bye bye benefits (in effect a massive tumourous cancer on Britains productivity and wealth creation potential)
banned#21
'East London Is Like Nairobi'


I agree. That's just plain wrong.

I've only ever heard the West Ham ground as Upton Pakistan not Upton Nairobi..
#22
schizoboy
Drop in the Ocean in terms of GDP numbers, leeching off the state, imo they are a small percentage compared to the home grown variety. You assume average immigrant is as big a leech on UK economy as average benefit leecher from UK, not in a million years, other countries have maintained their work ethic values unlike UK.

By the time tax credits had arrived me and my sister were already grown up so I expect wouldn't of qualified, not that I think we would have beforehand anyways.
Emigrating to the UK "is a benefit in itself".

[COLOR="Red"]Did it 'benefit' your family by moving here?
Just as a note, i am in no way asking this questions in a racist way, i just think you are slightly blinded on this subject. What % of immigrants come here, buy their own house that day and get a job the next?[/COLOR]

Do you think there should be a immigration tax? if you move here you pay a lump sum to say thank you? I think the points system we now have covers this, albeit for outside EU. To overly generalise I do not see the problem with giving the jobs to other Europeans if benefit scum UKers will not do the jobs and imo if you are on benefits for over a year, are capable of working, there should be mandatory work schemes as in America or bye bye benefits (in effect a massive tumourous cancer on Britains productivity and wealth creation potential)
#23
My Dad was here for several years before my Mum came over and they met, here, in North London. They're from different sides of the planet...

So technically my family or even my parents never came here together, they came over singularly, met here and BECAME a family, they came over when immigration laws weren't as strict as now (understandably) and more importantly, they learned the language quickly, moved into a normal very white-only-area, made English friends (Would be interesting to investigate the Christian aspect of this...) integrated and didn't insulate themselves which unfortunately many of 1st and even 2nd generations of certain ethnic minorities have done in small pockets for years and are still doing it. Some however blend in alot better than others.
#24
schizoboy
My Dad was here for several years before my Mum came over and they met, here, in North London. They're from different sides of the planet...

So technically my family or even my parents never came here together, they came over singularly, met here and BECAME a family, they came over when immigration laws weren't as strict as now (understandably) and more importantly, they learned the language quickly, moved into a normal very white-only-area, made English friends (Would be interesting to investigate the Christian aspect of this...) integrated and didn't insulate themselves which unfortunately many of 1st and even 2nd generations of certain ethnic minorities have done in small pockets for years and are still doing it. Some however blend in alot better than others.


ok, but no questions as of yet have been answered
#25
ivegotalobon;8450976
ok, but no questions as of yet have been answered


Which questions exactly? I'm not a politician with exacting policies sorry lol... I have a general stance on it, some of which is ring wing (benefits) some of which is left wing (allowing multi-nation employee competition, albeit we have more generous policies than most EU nations, that I admit).

Part of the 1994 BNP Manifesto was to turf out every person that did not fall under BNP specific ethnic classes of "Britishness" listing all the different "clans" of Britain including anyone of colour, (Google for yourself) anyone who beleives or even suspect this policy would of been beneficial for UK economy and wealth is living in a fantasy land, we'd of become the new South Africa, we would of been sanctioned, UK would of been one of the poorest nations in Europe.

It seems more people seem interested in hearing solutions to limiting immigration which are harsh, than dealing with the HOME GROWN problem of LAZY ******** ON BENEFITS which do far far far more damage to Britain.

Which says alot really.
#26
WoolyM
Early in the last century the horse became redundant, being replaced by cars, and engines. Now in many instances people are being made redundant. There are always a percentage of jobs that will be unfilled but it does not necessarily follow that people should be made to starve if they are not prepared to scramble to fill these particular roles.
In the past large scale wars or disease has reduced population numbers. If that is considered too drastic a step maybe some serious thought needs to be given to things like job sharing so that everyone is required to play a part in some way.


This might be something to be explored in imaginitive ways.
#27
schizoboy
Which questions exactly? I'm not a politician with exacting policies sorry lol... I have a general stance on it, some of which is ring wing (benefits) some of which is left wing (allowing multi-nation employee competition, albeit we have more generous policies than most EU nations, that I admit).

Part of the 1994 BNP Manifesto was to turf out every person that did not fall under BNP specific ethnic classes of "Britishness" listing all the different "clans" of Britain including anyone of colour, (Google for yourself) anyone who beleives or even suspect this policy would of been beneficial for UK economy and wealth is living in a fantasy land, we'd of become the new South Africa, we would of been sanctioned, UK would of been one of the poorest nations in Europe.

It seems more people seem interested in hearing solutions to limiting immigration which are harsh, than dealing with the HOME GROWN problem of LAZY ******** ON BENEFITS which do far far far more damage to Britain.

Which says alot really.


Would you not think then, that limiting immigration while the homegrown as you say, problems are sorted. I agree that the benefit culture is a problem, however too much immigration is compounding the fact.

Some of the questions i asked which have gone unanswered

Did it benefit your family by emigrating here? The question is still valid if your parents were not together at the time.

What % of immigrants come here, buy their own house that day and get a job the next? I am not asking for a researched figure, just an insight as to what you think off the top of your head.

Also as another side note, i am not seeking an argument, just some insight.
#28
ivegotalobon;8451065
Would you not think then, that limiting immigration while the homegrown as you say, problems are sorted. I agree that the benefit culture is a problem, however too much immigration is compounding the fact.

Some of the questions i asked which have gone unanswered

Did it benefit your family by emigrating here? The question is still valid if your parents were not together at the time.

Yes, thus bringing in two skilled professionals in 60s and 70s that didn't take up UK resources such as early schooling cost of bringing up a chile etc which imo mostly offsets the benefit, which is why I agree with the points system, I wouldn't oppose it being applied to EU Citizens so long as it helped the gaps in the jobs market. Again this family never been on benefits... unlike so many others...

What % of immigrants come here, buy their own house that day and get a job the next? I am not asking for a researched figure, just an insight as to what you think off the top of your head.

None, what percentage of children leave home and do that from Britain? How many go on benefits? How many of them are a detriment to the British economy?
Although that does bring up an interesting concept, for me anyways, imagine a points system not only to enter, but to stay, an ongoing, some would say orwellian system that constantly measured your benefit to Britain, that would be amusing :)

Also as another side note, i am not seeking an argument, just some insight.


Years ago when they checked, over 26% of UK Doctors were of Asian heritage, it has to be over 30% by now, again nothing wrong with immigration so long as they benefit the UK...

When immigration in this country is proven to be even half as bad as the non-working benefit leechers on the economy then I might consider a more strict stance, until then the vague borderline racist Daily Mailesque rantings about immigration do nothing for me.
#29
ivegotalobon:
Would you not think then, that limiting immigration while the homegrown as you say, problems are sorted. I agree that the benefit culture is a problem, however too much immigration is compounding the fact.

Some of the questions i asked which have gone unanswered

Did it benefit your family by emigrating here? The question is still valid if your parents were not together at the time.

Yes, thus bringing in two skilled professionals in 60s and 70s that didn't take up UK resources such as early schooling cost of bringing up a chile etc which imo mostly offsets the benefit, which is why I agree with the points system, I wouldn't oppose it being applied to EU Citizens so long as it helped the gaps in the jobs market. Again this family never been on benefits... unlike so many others.
What % of immigrants come here, buy their own house that day and get a job the next? I am not asking for a researched figure, just an insight as to what you think off the top of your head.

None, what percentage of children leave home and do that from Britain? How many go on benefits? How many of them are a detriment to the British economy?
Although that does bring up an interesting concept, for me anyways, imagine a points system not only to enter, but to stay, an ongoing, some would say orwellian system that constantly measured your benefit to Britain, that would be amusing :)
[COLOR="Red
Would be interesting, could not be enforced though[/COLOR]

Also as another side note, i am not seeking an argument, just some insight.


schizoboy
Years ago when they checked, over 26% of UK Doctors were of Asian heritage, it has to be over 30% by now, again nothing wrong with immigration so long as they benefit the UK...

When immigration in this country is proven to be even half as bad as the non-working benefit leechers on the economy then I might consider a more strict stance, until then the vague borderline racist Daily Mailesque rantings about immigration do nothing for me.


Just to clarify, are you labelling me vaguely racist? or is that just a generalisation?
#30
schizoboy
I hope you do not have any hopes for a Government type job (Teacher etc) there.

I know someone went there, Teacher, couldn't find work no matter what for well over a year, this is why:

Any Government paid job has a singularly racist employment system:

Tier One Preference: Born within the State Highest Priority for employment
Tier Two Preference: Born within Australia Medium Priority for employment
Tier Three Preference: RoW Lowest Priority for employment

They have an appalling history with Asians and aboriginals but happy to boast plentiful Western immigrants... albeit they do have a points system similar to ours.

Great country but multiple fails on many levels.


im afraid you are completely wrong mate:thumbsup: and just look plain ignorrant
banned#31
casparwhite
im afraid you are completely wrong mate:thumbsup: and just look plain ignorrant


I have to say, for once i agree with you.Schitzoboy is normally level headed with his comments, but he's miles wide on this one.

It wasn't so long ago, unless you came from Asia, you weren't getting in. Aborigines are treated with kid gloves and all the old descrimination (that did exist) is a thing of the past.
#32
casparwhite;8451492
im afraid you are completely wrong mate:thumbsup: and just look plain ignorrant


It might of changed since my friend went there, got a url?
#33
Lmao! Outstanding.
#34
stgeorge;8451847
You seriously think the biggest problem is Home grown benefit scroungers?
There are huge families everywhere around here claiming untold amounts of benefits & most of them cant speak a word of English so are unlikely to ever have a job, how much do you think people like this cost to keep?
Same old carp blaming the English.


They are a small portion of the problem getting a large portion of the blame is part of the problem, because the media and alot people prefer to blame foreigners than their friend in the pub scrounging for a drink.

To even assume that the foreigners on benefits of any kind come close to even matching the home grown kind is amazingly naive.
#35
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/budget2010_graphics.htm
Scroll down to receipts and spending.

I'd love for someone to show me another G8 country that spends over 25% of GDP on Social Protection (aka benefits) then tell me the benefit culture isn't massively harming the UK.
#36
schizoboy
It might of changed since my friend went there, got a url?

not being funny but have you made up what you just said from what your "mate" told you or have you some kind of personal experience?
banned#37
schizoboy
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/budget2010_graphics.htm
Scroll down to receipts and spending.

I'd love for someone to show me another G8 country that spends over 25% of GDP on Social Protection (aka benefits) then tell me the benefit culture isn't massively harming the UK.


Do you think its the biggest reason immigrants flock to the UK?
banned#38
guv
Do you think its the biggest reason immigrants flock to the UK?


so if you get rid of the benefits then you will stop that kind of immigration no?

no smoke without fire and all that right?
#39
guv
Do you think its the biggest reason immigrants flock to the UK?


+1
banned#40
stgeorge

We should introduce a points system like they do in Australia & weed out all the criminals & rats we could do without, we should also make claiming benefits a lot harder than it is to get the lazy back to work.


this.

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