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Now then now then guys and gals, Suppose I watched a program on the telly in the 80s and I taped it, I could watch it over and over again without any problems, right. I do believe that taping terre… Read More
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8y, 3w agoPosted 8 years, 3 weeks ago
Now then now then guys and gals,
Suppose I watched a program on the telly in the 80s and I taped it, I could watch it over and over again without any problems, right.
I do believe that taping terrestrial TV has long since been deemed legal.

Now, suppose I mislaid those tapes but I still wanted to watch the programs.
Could I just download them from somewhere like The Piratebay and still be legal, safe in the knowledge that what I was watching was once broadcast, un encrypted, across the entire country for anyone to pick up for free?

I could understand if it was the latest blockbuster film, then that would be wrong, but something that has already been over the airwaves, for free, surely that is ok.
Yes / no?
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8y, 3w agoPosted 8 years, 3 weeks ago
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#1
probably not legal acceptable or moral but who cares these days tbh who doesnt watch films or tv on the web?
#2
2nd!!!

and no.
banned#3
I agree it SHOULD be ok, but probably isnt lol.
#4
No; because you don't own the copyrights and don't have permission to broadcast it.
#5
No its illegal I'm afraid. You're allowed to record television for the purpose of timeshifting, but you're not allowed to distribute that recording without the copyright holders consent, which obvious putting on PirateBay would be.

Morally? It might have been broadcast, but the company that broadcasted it will have had to either make the program or bought the program either from advertising funds or license fee revenue. Redistributing online would potentially damage the value of the program to future broadcasters and DVD sales etc, so on those lines its not necessarily 'moral' either, although certain programs (such as news broadcasts and I would say to some extend sports events etc) are never likely to be rebroadcast for profit anyway...

The time shifting exception allows the legal copying of a TV broadcast of a film or TV programme (e.g. onto a DVD or on to a computer hard drive) only if:

* you make the copy in your own home; and
* you copy from the original broadcast; and
* your only reason for copying is to view the broadcast at a more convenient time.

This time shifting exception does not apply if you then share this copy with others by sending it to them or uploading it for download by them.


Of course on the other side of the coin if its 80's TV and isn't currently available on DVD or for that matter from illegal sources, publishing it online will open up the content to both those who remember it from the first time around and those that haven't seen it before. It may even be lost content which has not be officially archived, so personally I'd say it was a morally good thing to do in certain contexts :)
#6
It'd still be copyright infringement. Just because it's been broadcast to the public, it doesn't mean that the product's become public domain. Copyright is still owned by the publishers, and you're still stealing their right to duplicate when you torrent or tape something.

That said, illegal or not, whether anyone is going to be fussed is more the issue. I doubt anyone's going to be that fussed about copyright theft for personal use of something nearly 30 years old, so I wouldn't be concerned.

Edit: I see Jah's typing skills far surpass mine. As my bonus addition then, go get yourself something called Peer Guardian, which will block things like anti-P2P and gubment networks from accessing your system to gather info on what you're pirating.
#7
Ive wondered this too as I often forget about top gear until its about 8.30 so download it that night to watch the next day.
#8
What is the TV in context?

Don't get me wrong either :lol: - my answer before was to whether it is both legal and moral. It certainly isn't legal, and its debatably immoral, but personally for lots of old telly I'd be all for it - if its good telly and isn't readily available, maybe it should be. There are other options for online archive if its just for personal storage though - online storage, even things like gmail are a useful option for remote distributed storage.
#9
Not legal but I would say morally acceptable - especially if they are not available commercially.
#10
right, tv is out but how about vinyl records you purchased?, i believe their was a clause to make backup copies ie tapes, but obviously it's easier to download them, legal or not?
banned#11
Actually recording from the TV is still illegal :w00t: under copyright laws, however it is so widespread, and trying to convict would be pointless so it is generally accepted.
#13
maddogb
right, tv is out but how about vinyl records you purchased?, i believe their was a clause to make backup copies ie tapes, but obviously it's easier to download them, legal or not?


downloading anything is not illegal....uploading to others/servers etc is
#14
I used to love sledgehammer . Brings back memories hearing that title :)
#15
kungfu
downloading anything is not illegal....uploading to others/servers etc is


lol if only it were so simple
but question or point is , whether ownership or use of the material downloaded is legal and covered by the fact you bought the record?
#16
maddogb
right, tv is out but how about vinyl records you purchased?, i believe their was a clause to make backup copies ie tapes, but obviously it's easier to download them, legal or not?


UK doesn't have a fair use policy - i.e. the right to backup you own stuff. Hasn't been enforced ever I don't think and they are trying to get it on the statutes - to deal with the whole rip cds to mp3 grey area.

sculpturatus
Actually recording from the TV is still illegal :w00t: under copyright laws, however it is so widespread, and trying to convict would be pointless so it is generally accepted.


Pretty sure there is now provision - if only by president - that this is allowed for "personal time shifting purposes". Technically I believe archiving is still illegal.

kungfu
downloading anything is not illegal....uploading to others/servers etc is


Both uploading and downloading is copyright infringement so technically illegal under civil law. They only bother to sue uploaders though as tacking on "distribution" makes it easier to claim financial loss.
#17
certainly not legal due to copyright infringements and the form of provision

not morally acceptable as the source has changed

also time changes things and much time has passed since you first had these...

whether its acceptable behaviour, of course it is.

we are not your keeper either, up to you what you do hon x x
#18
ClarityofMind
certainly not legal due to copyright infringements and the form of provision

not morally acceptable as the source has changed

also time changes things and much time has passed since you first had these...

whether its acceptable behaviour, of course it is.

we are not your keeper either, up to you what you do hon x x


not convinced there,, has there been a precedent of any kind?
I thought copyright exists in the published work not in the method of publication, or storage.

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