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It's Freesat day!

Ian Orford Avatar
8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
Finally, I can get HD telly! Well, as soon as I find a receiver.

This seems to be a good resource:
http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/
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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
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#1
Same as the sky one off purchase services isnt it?
#2
#3
Will this work with my existing Dish from SKY? That would be great if I could just buy a new receiver!

Where's Kommunist when you need him!
#4
Yes, it should work with existing dish. Uses same cluster of sats apparently.
#5
whats the point freeview is great, no need for satiliitte
#6
REDRANGER86
whats the point freeview is great, no need for satiliitte


Yes, I'm a fan of Freeview - but this is the only way to get free HD at the moment.
#7
Can only get a handfull of freeview channels here, not all available until 2012!!

Is there a list of what freesat channels are available?
#8
Just found the list! thanks
#9
REDRANGER86
whats the point freeview is great, no need for satiliitte


Not everyone can get freeview. Reception in some areas is poor.
Everyone can get freesat
#10
Freesat is a new TV service from the BBC and ITV, launched today, 6th May 2008.

It comes in via a satellite dish, and is sent out in HIGH DEFINITION.

There is a one-off cost for the equipment, but NO ongoing monthly charge.

This is an attempt by the BBC and ITV to break the stranglehold of Sky.

More here:

http://www.freesat.co.uk/home.php

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/money/2008/05/05/cnsat105.xml
#11
My TV won't allow us to tune in freeview :x
banned#12
i got all excited that this was something cool....

I have freeview already....

enjoy people that can't get reception...freeview seems just as good as sky now..(sky is **** now)
#13
Will it work off an existing sky minidish ? Or does it require another dish to be installed ?
#14
There's a freesat receiver for £50- it's bush, but still it's cheap!!
#15
Anybody know if Virgin will follow suite? I have a V+ HD Box sat collecting dust!
#16
i just spen £100 on a freeview recorder :( defo not getting this
#17
If your gonna buy a receiver, you should really look at getting one of the HD ones for all those juicy HD channels which may arrive soon!!
#18
if i see a hd freesat box for £100 or under, im having one, cheapest ive seen is a bush hd box for £120 at argos.

second thoughts, i want to wait for a twin tuner pvr freesat hd box
#19
What if I already have a satellite dish on my house?

If you currently use this dish to receive services such as BBC Three and ITV2, your existing dish is probably suitable for receiving freesat. Once freesat is available you might wish to contact your local installer to see if this will work for you.

http://www.freesat.co.uk/help.php
#20
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banned#21
REDRANGER86
i just spen £100 on a freeview recorder :( defo not getting this


your not missing out on anything if you get a freeview signal.

the HD channels are limited.. not all are HD


EDIT List of HD Channels (in alphabetical order):
108 BBC HD
#22
imranmaz
your not missing out on anything if you get a freeview signal.

the HD channels are limited.. not all are HD


But in the long term there is room for FAR more channels on Freesat than there are on Freeview.
banned#23
guilbert53
But in the long term there is room for FAR more channels on Freesat than there are on Freeview.


freeview will recieve HD cannels too as far as i know... plus this is freesat its not like many premium channels will come on either... and who cares about shopping channel HD 1 -- 30

i'm not knocking it.. great if you havent got freeview but for the people that have, we aren't missing out on anything for a while.
#24
To all the people asking, you will almost certainly be able to use your existing satellite dish. Just buy the box and try it out. If it doesn't work you'll need another dish installed.
#25
imranmaz
your not missing out on anything if you get a freeview signal.

the HD channels are limited.. not all are HD


EDIT List of HD Channels (in alphabetical order):
108 BBC HD


I have a fortec passion hd reciever, picks up most hd channels, bbc hd etc.

My freeview signal is shocking, we live in a dip, hence why freesat is good for us:)
banned#26
bit disappointed at the range of channels on there.
wouldve thought theyd be better things
#27
jizzm
bit disappointed at the range of channels on there.
wouldve thought theyd be better things


early days, can only get better, patience !
banned#28
Balb0wa
early days, can only get better, patience !


yeah, so its worth waiting till more and better channels come out then?
#29
do these have the ability to 'grab' channels via frequency search like sky boxes ?, not willing to give any more cash to murderoch ...
#30
bazzaric;2039932
Will this work with my existing Dish from SKY? That would be great if I could just buy a new receiver!

Where's Kommunist when you need him!

Yes it will. Just like any other sat receiver on market. In fact, the only reason why you should go for Freesat-branded receiver is "proper" EPG.

As to HD, then the only HD channel is BBC HD (ITV HD is not available yet) so don't get all excited about it.
5 Likes #31
Freeview is great but getting HD onto it is going to be a problem. Ofcom has said that the muxes need to be changed around to have both SD and HD channels available. Technical experts have said that this will cause problems for both types of channel and more bandwidth needs to be allocated rather than just mess around with the muxes. This extra bandwidth could become available as analogue is switched off. Murdoch is trying to buy up this 'freed' bandwidth on Freeview and use it, plus his current Sky Three, Sky News etc. bandwidth for his own new MPEG4 service (for which you will need an extra box). If he's allowed to get away with it then HD on Freeview will always be problematic. Even when HD does make it to Freeview then you will need an additional converter for the new signals even if you already have an HD ready IDTV (with freeview box incorporated). Freeview is good but there are problems ahead and it will take some time to get HD up and running properly and then you will have to buy new kit.

Freesat is broadcasting from the Astra 2D satellite which has transponders tightly focussed on the UK. This means that the channels do not need to be encrypted as was the case when transmitted via the Sky system (you had to have a viewing card even for the BBC). I note that a couple of channels are encrypted at the moment (E4 for instance) but I am sure that will change in order to comply with the name FREEsat. Channel 4 haven't yet joined but will be doing so shortly so I guess that will unencrypt E4 and the like.

There is already the bandwidth on satellite to provide HD channels and they will start to grow. If you want HD then you have to make sure that you buy an HD box, not the Standard Definition one (SD). Existing dishes, cable, LNB, etc. used for a Sky digibox should work and you can stick an extra LNB on the dish so that one dish will receive both services. Looking at the channel list I see quite a number there that are not on Freeview including what appear to be some movie channels. I get perfect Freeview reception but am interested in Freesat although I may wait a while for equipment prices to come down, snags to be ironed out, etc. Be nice to watch Euronews too to get away from some of the exaggerated sensational type reporting on BBC and Sky News.

Currently there are no PVRs that will receive Freesat (so I've read) although I am sure someone may point out bits of kit that will receive and record this service. The EPG is broadcast from an EarlyBird satellite but it is in the same satellite cluster and its operation should be seamless.

I think this will be an excellent service and its about time someone gave M a kick in the proverbials. He's made millions out of overcharging his subscribers and is now trying to wreck the chances of getting HD on Freeview.

To summarise :-
Existing Sky minidishes etc. should work. An extra LNB/LNC on the dish would cover both services.
Some existing Free to Air boxes might work for the Freesat SD service - not sure about existing Sky digiboxes (unlikely as M has a tight grip on what you can and cannot watch).
You need to be careful which type of box you buy. SD boxes are cheaper but will not receive the HD service. Pay more to be ready for the future!
No PVRs as yet (so I've read)
As it's satellite you will need a box for each TV unless you want to watch the same channel on all TVs. Unlike Freeview which can be piped around purely as an RF signal and each TV can be watching a different channel.
Freesat should cover nearly all of the UK which Freeview is never going to achieve.
There is potential to have many more channels on Freesat than there is on Freeview simply because there is much more bandwidth on satellite.
HD on Freeview is going to be problematic and cannot start until 2012 when the final analogue signals are switched off.

I'll get of me soapbox!!
#32
Pugwash
Freeview is great but getting HD onto it is going to be a problem. Ofcom has said that the muxes need to be changed around to have both SD and HD channels available. Technical experts have said that this will cause problems for both types of channel and more bandwidth needs to be allocated rather than just mess around with the muxes. This extra bandwidth could become available as analogue is switched off. Murdoch is trying to buy up this 'freed' bandwidth on Freeview and use it, plus his current Sky Three, Sky News etc. bandwidth for his own new MPEG4 service (for which you will need an extra box). If he's allowed to get away with it then HD on Freeview will always be problematic. Even when HD does make it to Freeview then you will need an additional converter for the new signals even if you already have an HD ready IDTV (with freeview box incorporated). Freeview is good but there are problems ahead and it will take some time to get HD up and running properly and then you will have to buy new kit.

Freesat is broadcasting from the Astra 2D satellite which has transponders tightly focussed on the UK. This means that the channels do not need to be encrypted as was the case when transmitted via the Sky system (you had to have a viewing card even for the BBC). I note that a couple of channels are encrypted at the moment (E4 for instance) but I am sure that will change in order to comply with the name FREEsat. Channel 4 haven't yet joined but will be doing so shortly so I guess that will unencrypt E4 and the like.

There is already the bandwidth on satellite to provide HD channels and they will start to grow. If you want HD then you have to make sure that you buy an HD box, not the Standard Definition one (SD). Existing dishes, cable, LNB, etc. used for a Sky digibox should work and you can stick an extra LNB on the dish so that one dish will receive both services. Looking at the channel list I see quite a number there that are not on Freeview including what appear to be some movie channels. I get perfect Freeview reception but am interested in Freesat although I may wait a while for equipment prices to come down, snags to be ironed out, etc. Be nice to watch Euronews too to get away from some of the exaggerated sensational type reporting on BBC and Sky News.

Currently there are no PVRs that will receive Freesat (so I've read) although I am sure someone may point out bits of kit that will receive and record this service. The EPG is broadcast from an EarlyBird satellite but it is in the same satellite cluster and its operation should be seamless.

I think this will be an excellent service and its about time someone gave M a kick in the proverbials. He's made millions out of overcharging his subscribers and is now trying to wreck the chances of getting HD on Freeview.

To summarise :-
Existing Sky minidishes etc. should work. An extra LNB/LNC on the dish would cover both services.
Some existing Free to Air boxes might work for the Freesat SD service - not sure about existing Sky digiboxes (unlikely as M has a tight grip on what you can and cannot watch).
You need to be careful which type of box you buy. SD boxes are cheaper but will not receive the HD service. Pay more to be ready for the future!
No PVRs as yet (so I've read)
As it's satellite you will need a box for each TV unless you want to watch the same channel on all TVs. Unlike Freeview which can be piped around purely as an RF signal and each TV can be watching a different channel.
Freesat should cover nearly all of the UK which Freeview is never going to achieve.
There is potential to have many more channels on Freesat than there is on Freeview simply because there is much more bandwidth on satellite.
HD on Freeview is going to be problematic and cannot start until 2012 when the final analogue signals are switched off.

I'll get of me soapbox!!


repped. Thanks
#33
bazzaric
repped. Thanks


Agreed, a couiple of thoughts tho.

First analog signals are alreadby being turned off, they'll all be off by 2012 I think.

You can probably make a pvr by using a satelite card in a pc? ie use media center to record channels to your hard drive?

what's lmb/lmc or whatever? If I want to use my dish with my sky box (or at least try) what do I have to do? If the sky box doesn't work then I assume I just get a different one, an hd one preferably.

How many hd channels available at the moment, is it only one? Any ideas on how many to be added and when?
#34
Just read the channel list, rather poor imo, think I've got as much on freeview. If there were a load of hd channels then I'd buy into it, or I couldn't get freeview but otherwise it's not very good atm.
#35
I might be missing something here, but isn't this basically the same as has always been available when you finish a sky subscription? (or you install it yourself). Ok, there's a couple more channels and the possibility of some hd content but I don't get what's been launched? Just a couple of channels added???
1 Like #36
You need to be careful on what you require.

Existing free to air boxes whilst they will pick up most of the channels, they will not be able to utilize the FreeSat Epg or interactive services derived from it. What is happening is that most (see later for exception) of the freesat channels such as those from BBC (inc BBCHD) will have two sets of metadata, one that was always broadcast and now the freesat data (which is compressed but not encypted) as well. This latter set of metadata is not picked up by existing FTA boxes (or Sky boxes) which is why you can't use the Freesat EPG. Not a big deal if you are just after being able to watch them which essentially you have been able to do for 4yrs now with FTA or Sky satellite boxes

As to the "most" but earlier. ITVHD when launched is initially only going to be on FreeSat. It will not be on the Sky or Virgin EPG :( It "May" be possible to manually tune in an existing FTA box (as some people have managed to get the ITVHD test tranmission consisting of a 3min London flyby on their PC based Satellite cards) but it appears its a non-std tranmission so even knowing the details still trips up a few and some tweaking was required to get the sound working.

So bottom line is yes you may see most of the Freesat channels on existing FTA boxes but the Box needs to be freesat approved to beable to pick up the EPG so whilst the service maybe free the hardware isn't a free for all.

In terms of those who already have an old Sky box and cancelled sky card, you may as well continue to use that as you will pretty much get the same set of channels for NO additional outlay. Even if you don't have a cancelled sky viewing card but have the sky box and dish, you can phone sky and pay £20. This will get you a freesatfromsky (similar name but different service entirely) card which will give more or less than same channels but using the Sky EPG instead. And for those who have bought into SkyHD and decided its to expensive. Just cancel after 12month min contract is up and you will still get BBCHD plus all the channels you get on Freesatfromsky.

I'm not knocking Freesat but as others have said it really is for those that can't get freeview due to reception and don't have existing Sky hardware that they can hook up to get Sky's free service (or FTA satellite hardware) or at a long shot are desperate to get ITVHD when it launches on freesat only.

hth
#37
Thanks for that, so in summary it's ok to get freesat from sky seeing as it only costs £65 to get everything installed?
#38
A couple of notes:

1. If you have Sky dish with LNB you don't need to change anything - get any box, plug it into LNB and you will receive all channels including E4/C4 (FTA at the moment). HD is different story.
2. For HD you need DVB-S2 compatible receiver (not all HD-marked receivers are DVB-S2 compatible). Furthermore there are rumours of ITVHD using different codec which is not compatible with DVB-S2. Not sure if that is true.
3. Any sat receiver on market will get Freesat channels (see above for HD channels) as these are FTA and has been FTA for quite a while.
4. EPG is different on Freesat, so "standard" boxes might not be compatible with it. That's the only advantage of "dedicated Freesat stuff".
5. If you want multiroom, then LNB must have more than one output. A Quad LNB will serve 4 rooms (and yes, you will need receiver in each room). And Octo LNB is for 8, Dual is 2, etc. You will also need to run separate cable to each receiver.
6. If you want dual-tuner receiver then you will need to run 2 cables to it from 2 different LNB outputs (see 5). In some circumstance it is possible to use dual-tuner on single LNB (making LNB-passthrough cable) but second tuner will only be able to receive channels on same transponder and polarity as the first one. Which is not much.
7. There are plenty of PVR receivers on market including DVB-S2 compatible ones. Prices aren't really low unfortunately. You'll be looking at around 400 pounds for fully featured HD dual-tuner sat PVR.
1 Like #39
Depends on what you want.

If you really need to beable to watch BBCHD right now then no as that £65 deal from sky only provides as SD Sky box that can't record.

However what it does do is get your a dish and installation for £65 which is currently cheaper than if you pay for ITV/BBC's SD freesat box circa £50 and installation charge of around £80 on top. It also gives you 4months of Sky channels that you normally have to pay for.

So personally if you have no current dish or hardware, I would buy the Sky one, which gets the dish installed (try and get the installer to run two downfeeds saying you may go to sky+ in future and might as well do it now from the dish for a little extra in his hand ;)), watch the 4months worth of extra channels and then cancel it, which reverts the viewing card to all the SD Freesatfromsky channels. Then when the HD Freesat PVR's come down in price (and there are more HD channels available), get one of them.

hth
#40
Njay
Depends on what you want.

If you really need to beable to watch BBCHD right now then no as that £65 deal from sky only provides as SD Sky box that can't record.

However what it does do is get your a dish and installation for £65 which is currently cheaper than if you pay for ITV/BBC's SD freesat box circa £50 and installation charge of around £80 on top. It also gives you 4months of Sky channels that you normally have to pay for.

So personally if you have no current dish or hardware, I would buy the Sky one, which gets the dish installed (try and get the installer to run two downfeeds saying you may go to sky+ in future and might as well do it now from the dish for a little extra in his hand ;)), watch the 4months worth of extra channels and then cancel it, which reverts the viewing card to all the SD Freesatfromsky channels. Then when the HD Freesat PVR's come down in price (and there are more HD channels available), get one of them.

hth


Perfect, won't let me rep again but just the info I needed.

Thanks!

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