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more than 1 in 10 job centres to close. I would have thought we will need more JC s to handle all the unemployment because of brexit, unless the government know something we don't. htt…
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2w, 4d agoPosted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
more than 1 in 10 job centres to close.

I would have thought we will need more JC s

to handle all the unemployment because of

brexit, unless the government know something

we don't.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/26/jobcentres-to-close-government-benefits
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2w, 4d agoPosted 2 weeks, 4 days ago
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I heard the US is looking for brick layers..
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How do you know brexit has caused unemployment when brexit hasn't even happened yet. The mind boggles with comments like that. I do agree that job centre closures are a bad thing. But on the other hand have you been in one lately the staff don't help at all or give advise anymore on what's best for you all that happens is you are shown a PC and told to claim universal credits from that point onwards it's all done at home by logging on every day to update your work for that day. You get no help what so ever and it's nothing like working tax credits the system is massively flawed. Everyone Iv spoken to in my town about universal credits is around 60% worse off than the tax credits system.
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Jobcentres have been destroyed and it is a big mistake unless they are going to bring in a universal basic income for all.
Jobcentres should be the biggest employment agency and every employer should be forced to advertise in jobcentres before any middleman thief employment agency. Jobcentres could even be justified to take a small financial cut of all personell placed to help with the costs of Jobcentres and staff, The difference would be beneficial to all and Jobcentres would know where you are working and what you earn because they would be placing you and helping you with any issues and advanced training opportunities to increase your skill levels, The huge rise in employment agencies is a very bad sign and is costing the country massive amounts of leaked cash that is going to private companies and mostly into the hands of a few greedy grabbing individuals that own these disgusting excuse for businesses. All this has happened in a underhand way and it is really bad news for anybody who finds themselves in a vulnerable position, In my opinion apart from London and south east this country is going sharply backwards in many many ways, Landlord culture and Agencies and imported immigrant abuses and political class costs is the main problems that need to be reversed fast before violence starts.

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18 Likes #1
I heard the US is looking for brick layers..
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a lot of the work is being pushed to Hubs and benefit claims are being made online now (UC is 100% online).

its a question of costs - a lot of the JCP offices are prime real estate and cost a lot to rent, heat, power etc so it would make sense to move in to smaller offices or council buildings.

it will make it more inconvenient for "customers" though.
2 Likes #3
unemployment has been falling rapidly. Not needing jobcentres should be seen as a good thing
#4
Soon you will have working people signing on next to the giro brigade, right shambles.
3 Likes #5
haritori
I heard the US is looking for brick layers..


​the Mexicans got that job.
at least the 750 job centre staff who are laid off will be able to experience how the other half live.
1 Like #6
shadey12
unless the government know something we don't.
Maybe all the eastern European builders have just emigrated to the USA to help built the wall.
2 Likes #7
Wont need them now because there will be less immigration.
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How do you know brexit has caused unemployment when brexit hasn't even happened yet. The mind boggles with comments like that. I do agree that job centre closures are a bad thing. But on the other hand have you been in one lately the staff don't help at all or give advise anymore on what's best for you all that happens is you are shown a PC and told to claim universal credits from that point onwards it's all done at home by logging on every day to update your work for that day. You get no help what so ever and it's nothing like working tax credits the system is massively flawed. Everyone Iv spoken to in my town about universal credits is around 60% worse off than the tax credits system.
#9
shadey12
haritori
I heard the US is looking for brick layers..
​the Mexicans got that job.
at least the 750 job centre staff who are laid off will be able to experience how the other half live.

i think you'll find most of those staff have already been unemployed in the past, also the wage paid at JCP is below the average wage and for some its below the living wage
2 Likes #10
tony_spumoni
a lot of the work is being pushed to Hubs and benefit claims are being made online now (UC is 100% online).
Another case it seems of humans losing their jobs to technology
http://i67.tinypic.com/2vm7xgp.jpg
wont be long now before they replace those front facing staff in the offices!
:p
#11
Will the unemployed get free travel cards to attend their nearest one?. Hopefully if they do it'll be issued to only those who physically attend interviews and are actually looking for work rather than to those sponging with no intentions to work.
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J4GG4
Will the unemployed get free travel cards to attend their nearest one?. Hopefully if they do it'll be issued to only those who physically attend interviews and are actually looking for work rather than to those sponging with no intentions to work.

Carefull, that sounded like something David Cameron would want you to say X)
1 Like #13
larrylightweight
Everyone Iv spoken to in my town about universal credits is around 60% worse off than the tax credits system.

I thought that was the whole point?
#14
tony_spumoni
shadey12
haritori
I heard the US is looking for brick layers..
​the Mexicans got that job.
at least the 750 job centre staff who are laid off will be able to experience how the other half live.

i think you'll find most of those staff have already been unemployed in the past, also the wage paid at JCP is below the average wage and for some its below the living wage


​I stand corrected, I only hear about the jobcentre through people who, on the whole not had good experiences from them.
I still think its a false economy closing them, surely we should be giving the unemployed as much help as possible.
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I guess one thing to come of it those manipulative self obsessed not understanding staff they have employed will now be unemployed and actually looking for a job themselves. Karma dose do a full circle sometimes.

Edited By: larrylightweight on Feb 02, 2017 21:19: S
#16
larrylightweight
I guess one thing to come of it those manipulative self obsessed not understanding staff they have employed will now be unemployed and actually looking for a job themselves. Karma dose do a full circle sometimes.

oO
4 Likes #17
Somehow there won't be much sympathy for most JC staff!

Probably rightly so
#18
hasn't unemployment gone down?
#19
tony_spumoni
shadey12
haritori
I heard the US is looking for brick layers..
​the Mexicans got that job.
at least the 750 job centre staff who are laid off will be able to experience how the other half live.

i think you'll find most of those staff have already been unemployed in the past, also the wage paid at JCP is below the average wage and for some its below the living wage


​how can it be below the living wage when it is against the law to pay workers the national living wage
#20
davewave
hasn't unemployment gone down?


​yes, but I'm sure I heard Osbourne's back after his whistestop euro tour, bound to be doom and gloom.
#21
jymufc
tony_spumoni
shadey12
haritori
I heard the US is looking for brick layers..
​the Mexicans got that job.
at least the 750 job centre staff who are laid off will be able to experience how the other half live.
i think you'll find most of those staff have already been unemployed in the past, also the wage paid at JCP is below the average wage and for some its below the living wage
​how can it be below the living wage when it is against the law to pay workers the national living wage

They're different things.
5 Likes #22
Jobcentres have been destroyed and it is a big mistake unless they are going to bring in a universal basic income for all.
Jobcentres should be the biggest employment agency and every employer should be forced to advertise in jobcentres before any middleman thief employment agency. Jobcentres could even be justified to take a small financial cut of all personell placed to help with the costs of Jobcentres and staff, The difference would be beneficial to all and Jobcentres would know where you are working and what you earn because they would be placing you and helping you with any issues and advanced training opportunities to increase your skill levels, The huge rise in employment agencies is a very bad sign and is costing the country massive amounts of leaked cash that is going to private companies and mostly into the hands of a few greedy grabbing individuals that own these disgusting excuse for businesses. All this has happened in a underhand way and it is really bad news for anybody who finds themselves in a vulnerable position, In my opinion apart from London and south east this country is going sharply backwards in many many ways, Landlord culture and Agencies and imported immigrant abuses and political class costs is the main problems that need to be reversed fast before violence starts.
#23
jymufc
tony_spumoni
shadey12
haritori
I heard the US is looking for brick layers..
​the Mexicans got that job.
at least the 750 job centre staff who are laid off will be able to experience how the other half live.

i think you'll find most of those staff have already been unemployed in the past, also the wage paid at JCP is below the average wage and for some its below the living wage


​how can it be below the living wage when it is against the law to pay workers the national living wage


​Minimum wage is not same as living wage all those zero hour contract employees sometime take home ten hour wage which certainly not a living wage
#24
tony_spumoni
larrylightweight
I guess one thing to come of it those manipulative self obsessed not understanding staff they have employed will now be unemployed and actually looking for a job themselves. Karma dose do a full circle sometimes.

oO


I know I probably shouldn't of said that Iv been in a right bad mood for last two days. All the crap in the media and Facebook and so on is getting to me and then I lower my self to silly levels too.

Edited By: larrylightweight on Feb 02, 2017 23:04: S
#25
CFC2011
jymufc
tony_spumoni
shadey12
haritori
I heard the US is looking for brick layers..
​the Mexicans got that job.
at least the 750 job centre staff who are laid off will be able to experience how the other half live.
i think you'll find most of those staff have already been unemployed in the past, also the wage paid at JCP is below the average wage and for some its below the living wage
​how can it be below the living wage when it is against the law to pay workers the national living wage

They're different things.


​could you elaborate ?

how can the national living wage be different from the national living wage ?

http://m.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1902
#26
iibdii
jymufc
tony_spumoni
shadey12
haritori
I heard the US is looking for brick layers..
​the Mexicans got that job.
at least the 750 job centre staff who are laid off will be able to experience how the other half live.

i think you'll find most of those staff have already been unemployed in the past, also the wage paid at JCP is below the average wage and for some its below the living wage


​how can it be below the living wage when it is against the law to pay workers the national living wage


​Minimum wage is not same as living wage all those zero hour contract employees sometime take home ten hour wage which certainly not a living wage


​whats zero hour contracts got to do with it ? if they are being payed the national living wage which is set by the hour then they are being pay ed the right amount regardless of how many hours they work.

my point was job centre staff do get at least the national living wage.
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Gollywood
Somehow there won't be much sympathy for most JC staff!
Probably rightly so
It is their own fault for not standing up for the unemployed and their rights, Instead of being proactive and actually placing people in jobs they have been just used as a checking and compliance bod for their pathetic DWP upper management Nazis that are only concerned with a austerity money grab from the poor and unfortunate peoples, It is a massive shame and disgrace on Britain that the austerity is being implemented from the bottom up instead of where it should be from the top down, That coupled with the Shameful Labour and Lib parties that only seem to be concerned with foreigner welfare is why Conservative Scum are allowed to put people on the streets and drive people to self harm and suicide by sanctions, Welcome to Nazi Britain, All done without Guns. Its hard to believe it is happening and all these political scum is doing is arguing amongst themselves while this is going on.
#28
You apply online for JSA, then get texted a interview date at a assessment office, you apply for jobs online via the universal jobsmatch website, you write down any other work you've applied for on the notes section of your universal jobsmatch account. You sign on at the office every two weeks digitally using a graphics tablet thing with stylus, the "advisor" looks at your universal jobsmatch account to see if you are looking for work, since i started signing t the start of January no advisor has been able to access my account, the first couldn't even log into her PC and the second could not get online and gave up.

If you need to talk to anyone about your benefits you phone a 0345 number that's about 8p a minute, if you want them to send you letters for things as proof instead of just sending you all your appointments and things by text you have to phone Belfast on a 0345 number.

By the way the job centre doesn't exist, JCP as a government department was disbanded years ago, what we have is Job Centre assessment offices run directly by DWP who really don't give a toss really.
#29
larrylightweight
I guess one thing to come of it those manipulative self obsessed not understanding staff they have employed will now be unemployed and actually looking for a job themselves. Karma dose do a full circle sometimes.

Unlikely as i think they are all agency staff and the security is G4S of course.
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Error440
larrylightweight
I guess one thing to come of it those manipulative self obsessed not understanding staff they have employed will now be unemployed and actually looking for a job themselves. Karma dose do a full circle sometimes.

Unlikely as i think they are all agency staff and the security is G4S of course.


End of last year beginning of this year was the first time in a good few years I had to step foot in a JC the lack of respect for the people in it by the staff was astonishing me and my wife needed advise about all sorts of things to get back out to work they would not help in any way shape or form and even on one occasion the front of house staff shouted at my wife over an interview she said she had never felt so embarrassed in her life right in front of everyone sat down. She made a complaint got an apology the next time she went in. My wife has now found full time work again she hates it but at least it's something for now. Luckily we both sorted for now so don't have to go back in to a JC any time soon I hope as I'd be really reluctant to experience that again. I generally feel for people who have fell on hard times and have to deal with the JC staff.
#31
tony_spumoni
a lot of the work is being pushed to Hubs and benefit claims are being made online now (UC is 100% online).
its a question of costs - a lot of the JCP offices are prime real estate and cost a lot to rent, heat, power etc so it would make sense to move in to smaller offices or council buildings.
it will make it more inconvenient for "customers" though.

This they are adapting their model, as technology improves, there is less demand for a physical location, I don't see why signing on or whatever its called these days couldn't be done with video conferencing technology.

The same is happening with Banks, less and less people are using the branches, so they are being closed, merged, staff made redundant, Whats next for the High Street of the Future, Just one physical Bank branch where the staff can access all banking brands/systems?
#32
most people look for jobs online. in NI jobs and benefits centre are in one building
#33
larrylightweight
Error440
larrylightweight
I guess one thing to come of it those manipulative self obsessed not understanding staff they have employed will now be unemployed and actually looking for a job themselves. Karma dose do a full circle sometimes.
Unlikely as i think they are all agency staff and the security is G4S of course.
End of last year beginning of this year was the first time in a good few years I had to step foot in a JC the lack of respect for the people in it by the staff was astonishing me and my wife needed advise about all sorts of things to get back out to work they would not help in any way shape or form and even on one occasion the front of house staff shouted at my wife over an interview she said she had never felt so embarrassed in her life right in front of everyone sat down. She made a complaint got an apology the next time she went in. My wife has now found full time work again she hates it but at least it's something for now. Luckily we both sorted for now so don't have to go back in to a JC any time soon I hope as I'd be really reluctant to experience that again. I generally feel for people who have fell on hard times and have to deal with the JC staff.

Thats why i think they are agency staff, i don't like the security being G4S for obvious reasons but frankly they are more friendly and know more then the advisors which is why i think they are just bums on seats agency staff where asthe security has probably worked there for years.
#34
DKLS
tony_spumoni
a lot of the work is being pushed to Hubs and benefit claims are being made online now (UC is 100% online).
its a question of costs - a lot of the JCP offices are prime real estate and cost a lot to rent, heat, power etc so it would make sense to move in to smaller offices or council buildings.
it will make it more inconvenient for "customers" though.
This they are adapting their model, as technology improves, there is less demand for a physical location, I don't see why signing on or whatever its called these days couldn't be done with video conferencing technology.

The same is happening with Banks, less and less people are using the branches, so they are being closed, merged, staff made redundant, Whats next for the High Street of the Future, Just one physical Bank branch where the staff can access all banking brands/systems?

Because a job centre should help you look for work and support you with information and training options etc tailored to your needs, you can't really do that over a TV screen and that's providing you even have the tech, i don't know what people do who don't have phones and internet and as you need to sign on at the job centre to get out of work benefits and housing benefit, ( you need to be in low paid work, claiming JSA or disability to get HB) so uts a catch 22 money wise.

My sister has stuffed herself she can't get any benefits and has lost her bank account, this is because the only proof of hr existence us a birth certificate and NI card, she can't get a passport as GPs no longer countersigh, she has no accepted proof of address as she lives with my parents so pays no bills, so she can't sign on as she has no valid photo ID and she lost her ATM card and the bank won't talk to her as she hasn't got 2 proofs of address or valid photo ID.
Catch 22s all around really cant get anything if you have nothing.
#35
Error440
larrylightweight
Error440
larrylightweight
I guess one thing to come of it those manipulative self obsessed not understanding staff they have employed will now be unemployed and actually looking for a job themselves. Karma dose do a full circle sometimes.
Unlikely as i think they are all agency staff and the security is G4S of course.
End of last year beginning of this year was the first time in a good few years I had to step foot in a JC the lack of respect for the people in it by the staff was astonishing me and my wife needed advise about all sorts of things to get back out to work they would not help in any way shape or form and even on one occasion the front of house staff shouted at my wife over an interview she said she had never felt so embarrassed in her life right in front of everyone sat down. She made a complaint got an apology the next time she went in. My wife has now found full time work again she hates it but at least it's something for now. Luckily we both sorted for now so don't have to go back in to a JC any time soon I hope as I'd be really reluctant to experience that again. I generally feel for people who have fell on hard times and have to deal with the JC staff.

Thats why i think they are agency staff, i don't like the security being G4S for obvious reasons but frankly they are more friendly and know more then the advisors which is why i think they are just bums on seats agency staff where asthe security has probably worked there for years.


​you will find most companies do not employ their own security staff for a of number of reasons.
#36
shadey12
Error440
larrylightweight
Error440
larrylightweight
I guess one thing to come of it those manipulative self obsessed not understanding staff they have employed will now be unemployed and actually looking for a job themselves. Karma dose do a full circle sometimes.
Unlikely as i think they are all agency staff and the security is G4S of course.
End of last year beginning of this year was the first time in a good few years I had to step foot in a JC the lack of respect for the people in it by the staff was astonishing me and my wife needed advise about all sorts of things to get back out to work they would not help in any way shape or form and even on one occasion the front of house staff shouted at my wife over an interview she said she had never felt so embarrassed in her life right in front of everyone sat down. She made a complaint got an apology the next time she went in. My wife has now found full time work again she hates it but at least it's something for now. Luckily we both sorted for now so don't have to go back in to a JC any time soon I hope as I'd be really reluctant to experience that again. I generally feel for people who have fell on hard times and have to deal with the JC staff.
Thats why i think they are agency staff, i don't like the security being G4S for obvious reasons but frankly they are more friendly and know more then the advisors which is why i think they are just bums on seats agency staff where asthe security has probably worked there for years.
​you will find most companies do not employ their own security staff for a of number of reasons.

You know why everything the government is involved with hire G4S, dont be naive about it.
#37
Error440
DKLS
tony_spumoni
a lot of the work is being pushed to Hubs and benefit claims are being made online now (UC is 100% online).
its a question of costs - a lot of the JCP offices are prime real estate and cost a lot to rent, heat, power etc so it would make sense to move in to smaller offices or council buildings.
it will make it more inconvenient for "customers" though.
This they are adapting their model, as technology improves, there is less demand for a physical location, I don't see why signing on or whatever its called these days couldn't be done with video conferencing technology.

The same is happening with Banks, less and less people are using the branches, so they are being closed, merged, staff made redundant, Whats next for the High Street of the Future, Just one physical Bank branch where the staff can access all banking brands/systems?

Because a job centre should help you look for work and support you with information and training options etc tailored to your needs, you can't really do that over a TV screen and that's providing you even have the tech, i don't know what people do who don't have phones and internet and as you need to sign on at the job centre to get out of work benefits and housing benefit, ( you need to be in low paid work, claiming JSA or disability to get HB) so uts a catch 22 money wise.

My sister has stuffed herself she can't get any benefits and has lost her bank account, this is because the only proof of hr existence us a birth certificate and NI card, she can't get a passport as GPs no longer countersigh, she has no accepted proof of address as she lives with my parents so pays no bills, so she can't sign on as she has no valid photo ID and she lost her ATM card and the bank won't talk to her as she hasn't got 2 proofs of address or valid photo ID.
Catch 22s all around really cant get anything if you have nothing.


​have a look on the list of people who can sign your passport, it's surprisingly long, I had no idea I could sign them until I was asked a few years ago.

https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories

Edited By: shadey12 on Feb 05, 2017 11:20: add
#38
Error440
shadey12
Error440
larrylightweight
Error440
larrylightweight
I guess one thing to come of it those manipulative self obsessed not understanding staff they have employed will now be unemployed and actually looking for a job themselves. Karma dose do a full circle sometimes.
Unlikely as i think they are all agency staff and the security is G4S of course.
End of last year beginning of this year was the first time in a good few years I had to step foot in a JC the lack of respect for the people in it by the staff was astonishing me and my wife needed advise about all sorts of things to get back out to work they would not help in any way shape or form and even on one occasion the front of house staff shouted at my wife over an interview she said she had never felt so embarrassed in her life right in front of everyone sat down. She made a complaint got an apology the next time she went in. My wife has now found full time work again she hates it but at least it's something for now. Luckily we both sorted for now so don't have to go back in to a JC any time soon I hope as I'd be really reluctant to experience that again. I generally feel for people who have fell on hard times and have to deal with the JC staff.
Thats why i think they are agency staff, i don't like the security being G4S for obvious reasons but frankly they are more friendly and know more then the advisors which is why i think they are just bums on seats agency staff where asthe security has probably worked there for years.
​you will find most companies do not employ their own security staff for a of number of reasons.

You know why everything the government is involved with hire G4S, dont be naive about it.


​i know g4s had the prisoner transport contract but lost it in 2004 ish, g4s don't tag offenders. I think your being quite naive to think because you see a g4s guard security officer down the jobcentre......
#39
Error440
DKLS
tony_spumoni
a lot of the work is being pushed to Hubs and benefit claims are being made online now (UC is 100% online).
its a question of costs - a lot of the JCP offices are prime real estate and cost a lot to rent, heat, power etc so it would make sense to move in to smaller offices or council buildings.
it will make it more inconvenient for "customers" though.
This they are adapting their model, as technology improves, there is less demand for a physical location, I don't see why signing on or whatever its called these days couldn't be done with video conferencing technology.
The same is happening with Banks, less and less people are using the branches, so they are being closed, merged, staff made redundant, Whats next for the High Street of the Future, Just one physical Bank branch where the staff can access all banking brands/systems?
Because a job centre should help you look for work and support you with information and training options etc tailored to your needs, you can't really do that over a TV screen and that's providing you even have the tech, i don't know what people do who don't have phones and internet and as you need to sign on at the job centre to get out of work benefits and housing benefit, ( you need to be in low paid work, claiming JSA or disability to get HB) so uts a catch 22 money wise.
My sister has stuffed herself she can't get any benefits and has lost her bank account, this is because the only proof of hr existence us a birth certificate and NI card, she can't get a passport as GPs no longer countersigh, she has no accepted proof of address as she lives with my parents so pays no bills, so she can't sign on as she has no valid photo ID and she lost her ATM card and the bank won't talk to her as she hasn't got 2 proofs of address or valid photo ID.
Catch 22s all around really cant get anything if you have nothing.

I don't think the JC has ever been there to help you find work and support your individual needs, more of an admin hub, and somewhere for you to jump through the hoops required by the agency. I don't see why the tech couldn't be introduced, alongside with say booths in libraries or other council buildings for people without access to tech.

I didn't realise GPs couldn't countersign passports any more, does your sister know any one on this list to countersign, or is a provisional driving licence an option?

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#40
shadey12
Error440
DKLS
tony_spumoni
a lot of the work is being pushed to Hubs and benefit claims are being made online now (UC is 100% online).
its a question of costs - a lot of the JCP offices are prime real estate and cost a lot to rent, heat, power etc so it would make sense to move in to smaller offices or council buildings.
it will make it more inconvenient for "customers" though.
This they are adapting their model, as technology improves, there is less demand for a physical location, I don't see why signing on or whatever its called these days couldn't be done with video conferencing technology.
The same is happening with Banks, less and less people are using the branches, so they are being closed, merged, staff made redundant, Whats next for the High Street of the Future, Just one physical Bank branch where the staff can access all banking brands/systems?
Because a job centre should help you look for work and support you with information and training options etc tailored to your needs, you can't really do that over a TV screen and that's providing you even have the tech, i don't know what people do who don't have phones and internet and as you need to sign on at the job centre to get out of work benefits and housing benefit, ( you need to be in low paid work, claiming JSA or disability to get HB) so uts a catch 22 money wise.
My sister has stuffed herself she can't get any benefits and has lost her bank account, this is because the only proof of hr existence us a birth certificate and NI card, she can't get a passport as GPs no longer countersigh, she has no accepted proof of address as she lives with my parents so pays no bills, so she can't sign on as she has no valid photo ID and she lost her ATM card and the bank won't talk to her as she hasn't got 2 proofs of address or valid photo ID.
Catch 22s all around really cant get anything if you have nothing.
​have a look on the list of people who can sign your passport, it's surprisingly long, I had no idea I could sign them until I was asked a few years ago.https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories


Thats mad maybe she can ask the pharmacist she is diabetic but i bet she gets our mother to collect her stuff for her, or the opticians.

"licensee of public house"

Thats not a pub landlord is it oO

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