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Now, i am well aware that this is going to go down as well as a bacon sandwich in a mosque but..... I have just been to the Job Centre, and told that, because i am between 18 and 24, i have to do C…
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6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
Now, i am well aware that this is going to go down as well as a bacon sandwich in a mosque but.....

I have just been to the Job Centre, and told that, because i am between 18 and 24, i have to do Community Task Force, where i do a placement with an employer doing 25 hours a week, for 13 weeks.This, i do not have a problem with, helping people to get experience, and weeding out the work shy is all well and good.

The problem is though, that you will still only get your JSA of £50 a week (with a little extra for travel costs) now, by my calculations, £50 for 25 hours work equals £2 an hour. What happened to the minimum wage? I will gladly go out and get experience in my field of work, but i will not do it for less than minimum wage, at £2 an hour. I am looking for work, not to be taken advantage of by an employer who sees an opportunity to get some cheap staff.
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6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
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#1
well i think this will teach the young never to vote torrie
it is a disgrace i feel sorry for you
it should be at least mim wage#
this is just save labour the bosses will be loving this
banned#2
Go work in a charity shop for free :p
#3
£2 an hour to get JSA, thats what they are doing to root out the bad so you REALLY do look for work !

On a legal note - you would have a case against DWP for enforcing you to do 25 a week for £2 well below minimum wage as DWP are making a condition of JSA payment you do the 25 hours - effectively DWP are breaking the law by enforcing such unfair terms on you as 25 hours it cant be, it must only be the rate of minimum wage/hours you are set by statute (LAW) you work under/for CTF.

In this case the DWP conflicts with your human right to the UK minimun wage per hour, as you are not available for full time work while CTF'ing it & you cant get that minimum wage as per law.

So you should only be work XX amount of hours that corrospond to the minimum wage for your age, to get your JSA NOT 25.
#4
How long have you been out of work and why do you find yourself without a job?
[helper]#5
This thread is going to get interesting..................bet you get called a work-shy lazy scrounger (by people who find it perfectly acceptable to fiddle their taxes)...good luck peo....
#6
I agree, you should receive the minimum wage for this, it is just putting people off doing it by not offering more that JSA to do it - absolutley ridiculous and also employers will take advantage of this unless it is properly regulated....which is doubtful! I hope you get a job soon, good luck :-)
#7
This was announced in the 2009 Budget, by Labour, and started voluntarily in Jan and became compulsory in April, according to http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/ctf1-specification.pdf
#8
its about getting you off ur backside and getting you ready for work

and doing some good for your community........maybe work out the rest of the hours that youve been getting paid to do nothing since youve been unemployed........if it makes you feel better.

is this for everyone unemployed or just those who have been on benefits a certain amount of time?


lol@ taking the government to court over it.....good luck with that
#9
The reason for this is simple, the employer isn't paying you a penny and in all likelyhood getting a government kickback to take you on for the duration.

On the upside, something to pad out your CV and make it look like you are actually trying to more permanent gainful employment.

It sucks that they don't pay you appropriately though.
#10
Mellow Yellow
Phone in sick... bad back, stress, anything that will prevent you doing the work you are assigned to.


then he wont get his dole
#11
DJNG22
How long have you been out of work and why do you find yourself without a job?


I was working 24 hours a week in a supermarket for 5 years, until i entered my final year at university, when i left to concentrate on my studies. I finished uni in July last year, and have been looking for an IT based job since then, Unfortunately, the IT industry has been one of the hardest hit in the recession, and, when jobs do appear, there are hundreds of applicants for it. I have been trying, but most applications don't even bother replying
#12
Mellow Yellow
Phone in sick... bad back, stress, anything that will prevent you doing the work you are assigned to.


there are new assesments for that..........my sister who need 24hr supervision at 23 gets incapacity benefit and she has to go to be assessed......complete joke. she has a mental age of about 8
banned#13
peodude
I was working 24 hours a week in a supermarket for 5 years, until i entered my final year at university, when i left to concentrate on my studies. I finished uni in July last year, and have been looking for an IT based job since then, Unfortunately, the IT industry has been one of the hardest hit in the recession, and, when jobs do appear, there are hundreds of applicants for it. I have been trying, but most applications don't even bother replying


I would give up on IT and go back to the supermarket.

Good luck
banned#14
peodude
I was working 24 hours a week in a supermarket for 5 years, until i entered my final year at university, when i left to concentrate on my studies. I finished uni in July last year, and have been looking for an IT based job since then, Unfortunately, the IT industry has been one of the hardest hit in the recession, and, when jobs do appear, there are hundreds of applicants for it. I have been trying, but most applications don't even bother replying


Then why don't you get a job doing something else until an IT position comes up? I interview people and I'd rather employ someone who has been cleaning toilets while waiting for a position to come up in their chosen profession than someone lazing about on the dole for a year
#15
peodude
I was working 24 hours a week in a supermarket for 5 years, until i entered my final year at university, when i left to concentrate on my studies. I finished uni in July last year, and have been looking for an IT based job since then, Unfortunately, the IT industry has been one of the hardest hit in the recession, and, when jobs do appear, there are hundreds of applicants for it. I have been trying, but most applications don't even bother replying


my son is in IT and when out of work did temp jobs-have you tried that?
banned#16
whatsThePoint
You might have a point
I've been unemployed since school waiting for a job as an astronaut to come up


That’s a blatant lie as you haven't got the intelligence to have gone to school unless you’re talking about pre-school?
[helper]#17
The current government are going to get blamed for this but yes, as mentioned before this is a Labour initiative.
Ive just googled this and saw that many placements are in charity shops. These are staffed by volunteers usually, so no employer taking advantage there. While 25 hours is lot of hours for a volunteer job what is so wrong with volunteering for fewer hours (whilst still getting benefit and an additional allowance).
Many 18-25 year olds have possibly never worked. Would they not benefit from the experience of having to get up and be at work, working as part of a team etc. Surely this would make them more employable in the long run.
#18
whatsThePoint
You might have a point
I've been unemployed since school waiting for a job as an astronaut to come up


So you have a degree in Rocket Science? :giggle:
#19
I work full time and do voluntary work.
Don't know why you should do nothing and expect to get paid.

If you are picky about the job you do, no one is forcing you to sign on.
#20
set a president - i have always thought all schemes like this as a cheap labour - refused to let my daughter do work experience in a shop - she didnt get her choice

go for it

contact your mp
http://www.writetothem.com/

enquire at acas
http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1410

here also
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_178175

there will most probably be a cop out but its worth trying - see if any groups online - contact unions - yes they still exist - GMB etc
#21
peodude
I was working 24 hours a week in a supermarket for 5 years, until i entered my final year at university, when i left to concentrate on my studies. I finished uni in July last year, and have been looking for an IT based job since then, Unfortunately, the IT industry has been one of the hardest hit in the recession, and, when jobs do appear, there are hundreds of applicants for it. I have been trying, but most applications don't even bother replying


I dont know your situation but as previous have said can you not get another job until something comes up?

I am losing my job in October due to company relocation to Geneva, I would like to work in the same industry office based logistics management but I have a daughter to support so you can bet your life I will be working in Tesco if I have to.

After a year claiming JSA the government need to do something to enhance your chances of being employed and it will look good on CV
#22
holly100
set a president - i have always thought all schemes like this as a cheap labour - refused to let my daughter do work experience in a shop - she didnt get her choice

go for it

contact your mp
http://www.writetothem.com/

enquire at acas
http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1410

here also
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_178175


are you actually being serious.......complain about being made to do some voluntary work for your dole money
banned#23
whatsThePoint
You need schooling and a degree to be an astronaut ...**** !
maybe i'll just settle on being a fighter pilot instead


I think you still need a degree, sorry. But on the plus side you could still be a pilot, Ryanir will hire anyone to fly their planes but the pay would prob be less than a Community Task Force worker
banned#24
casparwhite
are you actually being serious.......complain about being made to do some voluntary work for your dole money


Exactly what I thought.

She isn't forced to do it if she doesn't do it it just means she won't get money for nothing off the goverment
#25
its the usual with dwp the people that will suffer are those playing the game fairly ie those with degrees, or those who have lost their jobs etc out of work trying to find jobs in their field paying reasonable wages

what people fail to realise is that all the bums know exactly how to screw the system and know the system better than the dwp - they will continue to sit on their bums whilst the honest people suffer

totally with the OP - i know when i did my under grad the average time for someone to get a graduate job was around 9-10 months- so keep trying mate hopefully something will turn up for you
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holly100
set a president - i have always thought all schemes like this as a cheap labour - refused to let my daughter do work experience in a shop - she didnt get her choice

go for it

contact your mp
http://www.writetothem.com/

enquire at acas
http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1410

here also
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_178175

there will most probably be a cop out but its worth trying - see if any groups online - contact unions - yes they still exist - GMB etc


Sorry Holly but anyone who can work who is on the dole should be volunterring or doing this scheme, who gives a damn if it's £2 an hour, get them off their backsides and get them working.

1) Makes them appreciate working
2) Helps build skills and make them more employable.

My brother is on the dole and he is now on a 3 month work trial through this scheme, they pay his travel expenses and his dole money. Nothing more, he wants to do it as they are to offer him a fulltime job after the trial, and he is getting vital experience.

You refused your daughter work experience cos of your beliefs? even though it would make her more employable and give her experience... Seriously, if you were an employer and 2 adults who left school applied for a job, who would you pick, one who did work experience in a shop and showed enthusiam or someone who just sat on their ass and did not work experience?

The benefits are there to be earned, not given away nilly willy, get them working.
#27
holly100
set a president - i have always thought all schemes like this as a cheap labour - refused to let my daughter do work experience in a shop - she didnt get her choice



Are you being serious? Work experience for young people is just that ......Experience! It goes on the CV, it shows them what the real world is about.

Most of the time work experience is more of a hassle for the employer than 'cheap labour' because they spend time finding things for the kids to do when they really want to be doing their own work

Your attitude is what is wrong with people in this country
banned#28
holly100
set a president - i have always thought all schemes like this as a cheap labour - refused to let my daughter do work experience in a shop - she didnt get her choice



This one do?

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7245/obamaofficialphoto.jpg
#29
Paddy Charlie
I think you still need a degree, sorry. But on the plus side you could still be a pilot, Ryanir will hire anyone to fly their planes but the pay would prob be less than a Community Task Force worker


Its the USA that has this problem not the EU, pilots are paid rewardingly well, my mates dad makes more than 8 fulltime tesco staff, perks are great, but the hours are crap - defo a breadwinners job not a career. Career starts when the company pension kicks in after you are retired off way under any EU governments age limit ;)
#30
DJNG22

Your attitude is what is wrong with people in this country


Exactly, At my work, we currently have 6 local school kids on work experience, they have just left school (doing exams) and work 5 days a week for 2 hours a day.

They get to get a positive appraisal and gain vital experience in the business world. Experience counts in these tough times.
banned#31
whatsThePoint
I'd do it for nothing to get the experience, umm do you need a passport to be a airline pilot?


Yeah in the UK you do but if you go to the USA I don't think they do and pilots there are 'pilots are paid rewardingly well'
#32
Looks like the local authorities and companies way of saving cash to me. If people are doing these jobs for JSA whats the point in them employing 'proper' staff.
#33
Generally only 4 stripe pilots get paid well, the co-pilots etc on short haul flights can barely afford to eat whilst trying to get promoted. (training isn't cheap)
#34
stewby
Looks like the local authorities and companies way of saving cash to me. If people are doing these jobs for JSA whats the point in them employing 'proper' staff.


i thought this when it was announced......surely there are gonna be less jobs availabnle because the govenment is making them take(unemployed) unpaid voluntary work.....kind of creating a free job market

surely this will have an effect somewhere along the lines.....less paid jobs?
#35
Here from my perspective I have not worked in 10 years - I have my second PCA assesment in 20 months, all because I got treatment for my health outside the UK, after being misdiagnosed 9 years ago by the NHS I was properly diagnosed by a private doctor in a country where my dad could afford the private health care out his retirement fund...them months away getting treatment meant I broke my claim & got E&SA Contribution based even though I have had no savings for 10 years !!!

Get this - the NHS never done xrays on emergency admission all them years ago - I am now diagnosed with degenerative spinal osteo arthritis & auto immunity....DWP are trying to get me back to work for the 5/6 ti e in ten years....its just not going to happen, even though I tried a few years ago to go to college 16 hours then dropped to 8 with all the available support through college & Disabled Students Award I still could not attend they cut me off Incapacity (IS based) whilst attending college no matter what the college/disability officer or my GP said the DWP cut me off, I claimed E&SA then when I left UK for treatment I got nothing.

Now I am up for another round of DWP fanfare - there are refusing to take medical evidence from xrays or notes from medical specialists abroad & I have a four month wait for a NHS doctor at my local NHS Trust hospital to confirm all the medical evidence ! Whilst DWP try to get me into a supported employment position.

I started Open Uni when I could not attend college & they know I dont want to sit in poverty for the rest of my life on benefits, everytime DWP cut me off disability benefits I lose my next course as I no longer have incapacity to get a fee waiver - the course has to complete within 6 years to get the degree but its is looking not likely IF they cut me off another once from E&SA.....I have done everything to help myself over the last 5 years with no support other than *disallowed*. *******S are screwing my life up with lack of ANY help.

Bringing forward the fact of degenerative illness means in the last ten years I have got worse, and I have...DWP dont give a flying ****.

Its not about people or circumstances - its about lowering the DWP budget - the DWP should pay you minimum wage for 25 hours if thats what they are enforcing.


Karma is coming back on DWP...my OU is LAW....it took my MP over a year to get copies of my files from DWP, correct my MP !!! DWP even tried to pay me off to shut me up by reinstating a £2500 backpayment they already refused the minute my MP got invloved - I or he never asked anything to do with that - he asked repeatadly for copies off my DWP files - now recieved with ALL my PCA missing...no surprise there, they even lied my doctor provided medical evidence I was fit to work - my doctors signed statement says otherwise - they recieved nor filled any form out apart from 2 years previous. This is away to be a long drawn out complaints/legal process.

The whole system is a joke mate, find work asap for 25 hours and do yourself a favour - I wish I could go work, but they just stop my money knowing I cant, I have been evicted once & faced it another 4 times in 10 years due to the DWP !

Good luck job hunting mate :)
banned#36
Paddy Charlie;8960315
Then why don't you get a job doing something else until an IT position comes up? I interview people and I'd rather employ someone who has been cleaning toilets while waiting for a position to come up in their chosen profession than someone lazing about on the dole for a year

+1

I think its a good idea as you are getting free work experience and showing the ability to work.

:thumbsup:
banned#37
That's an unfortunate circumstance for yourself but the DWP are right not to except certain foreign documents about illness as it leaves itself open to too much fraud and abuse. And they are right to continually check on ill patients to see if they can go back to work if they are not signed off indefinatly. I know its not the case with you but too many people rip the **** out of the disability benefits by having very minor injury like stubbing a toe and go on disability for years with it. These fraudulant benefit claims could be either increasing the benefit allowance to real claimants like yourself or other goverment departments like NHS. As it sounds like the real prolem you had was the NHS not necessarily the DWP.

That said I hope you get it sorted as sounds like you have had a tough time of it. GL.
#38
casparwhite
i thought this when it was announced......surely there are gonna be less jobs availabnle because the govenment is making them take(unemployed) unpaid voluntary work.....kind of creating a free job market

surely this will have an effect somewhere along the lines.....less paid jobs?


They are temporary placements and could lead to a full time job, my brother is on one for 3 months at the moment and he has been told once it's up, he would be offered the job.

It will have an effect somewhere, good or bad, we don't know. It's helping get those who want / want to be lazy to get a job, and giving the businesses a cheap labour so they can trial staff with little outlay.

There are jobs out there, my brother has applied for nearly one every day since he left school (2 years ago) but he hasn't been given the chance, so this scheme is a god send for him. He has had 3-+ interviews and always fails at the last stage due to his lack of experience.

People need to be less picky and do any job, I have just had a new guy starting with me, he is 45 and was a manager in woolies, he is now a shelf stacker in Tesco.
#39
tinkerbell28

You are not employed they are subsidising you as you are out of work and trying to help you back in.
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Exactly
#40
I would agree that it is a really good idea if it were actual work experience, but that's really hard to get into - especially if you are unemployed. It's easier for students etc etc to have a bit of WE, mediated often by the school/college/uni.

This isn't really that - it's a sort of mildish punishment for being unemployed. It fits in with the 'get off your backside' vibe and means that you won't get benefits if you don't do it so it's also a way of trying to put people off claiming benefits.

Meaningful on the job training, for 25 hours a week, would be an excellent thing - putting street cleaners out of work is not.

Unemployment is going to rise as soon as the public spending cuts start to take effect so a lot more people are going to have to do this and the Job Centre + people are going to have to spend some time finding these positions - or are they ? Our local JC+ is totally useless at everything.

I also agree that the DWP do put those genuinely claiming incapacity benefit through it, even ( or sometimes it seems to me, especially) in the most obvious cases (as above).

A PT job would be the way to go IMO.

Good Luck with getting work .

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