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Juncker now needs an army, cant recall voting for him - has he heard of NATO?

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Ex BBC The European Union needs a military headquarters to work towards a common military force, the Commission president has told MEPs in Strasbourg. Jean-Claude Juncker said the lack of a "per… Read More
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7m, 2w agoPosted 7 months, 2 weeks ago
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The European Union needs a military headquarters to work towards a common military force, the Commission president has told MEPs in Strasbourg.

Jean-Claude Juncker said the lack of a "permanent structure" resulted in money being wasted on missions.

Part of his annual state of the union address was devoted to the UK's unexpected vote to leave the EU.

He insisted that the bloc was not at risk and urged Brexit negotiations to take place as quickly as possible.

Mr Juncker warned that the UK could not expect selective "a la carte" access to the internal market without accepting free movement of people.

The single market has dominated the Brexit debate in the UK. Prime Minister Theresa May distanced herself from remarks by Brexit minister David Davis when he said remaining in the single market would be "very improbable" if it meant giving up control of British borders.
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This isn't the "EU Army" that was touted as "leave lies" before the referendum, is it?
banned 5 Likes
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I find little endearing about Juncker, but when I hear him or any other politician speak I ask myself one simple question.
Does what they're proposing make my prospects and my ability to provide for my children better or worse? Are their prospects improved by these plans?
I find nothing concerning in Juncker's comments about the state or military operations. What does concern me is his comments on the single market.
I think throughout this whole thing, people have ignored their responsibilities as adults, as parents and as men if I'm being quite honest, but that is modern society.

Liked by mistake, and here's why because you should be worried about Juncker and his plans.

Just imagine for one moment an EU army. In the future there may be trouble on the streets in, let's say Athens. Now that's not too hard to imagine at all. Now think of EU soldiers Hungarian division being deployed to quell the troubles. Don't worry though. The Greek EU army division has not been disbanded, its busy on the streets in Lisbon.

If I wanted to control a superstate and it's people with an iron fist it's exactly what I would consider.

This is a very serious development and was not put on the table prior to Brexit for strategic reasons. For all those that dream of the UK somehow not invoking article 50, this news should show you what we have managed to disentangle ourselves from.



Edited By: cchopps on Sep 14, 2016 15:57
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It seems all Mr Junker does is warn the UK, next thing he will have an EU army and be warning the UK!.....:{

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splatsplatsplat
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Ha Ha, very very funny
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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/afRtJEaOSoE/hqdefault.jpg

I'll be reading the comments in these voices I think.
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splatsplatsplat
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Apparently my work computer doesn't like links with Giant bombs in them.
I certainly didn't ask or vote for that level of control to be lost.

Edited By: Oneday77 on Sep 14, 2016 13:01
3 Likes #5
I don't recall voting for May
But the lady has an army
7 Likes #6
This isn't the "EU Army" that was touted as "leave lies" before the referendum, is it?
1 Like #7
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for May
But the lady has an army

And lip hair
4 Likes #8
stuarthanley
This isn't the "EU Army" that was touted as "leave lies" before the referendum, is it?

Why yes it is!
1 Like #9
Graham1979
stuarthanley
This isn't the "EU Army" that was touted as "leave lies" before the referendum, is it?
Why yes it is!
Well well well.....
1 Like #10
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for May
But the lady has an army

Ah, allow me to clear up your confusion

Your vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.

In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?
#11
Graham1979
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for MayBut the lady has an army
And lip hair
What? Call 118
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4762591.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/118-118.jpg


Edited By: thewongwing101 on Sep 14, 2016 19:11: lip hair added
1 Like #12
jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for May
But the lady has an army
Ah, allow me to clear up your confusion
Your vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.
In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?
Let's just clear a few things up.
Theresa May wasn't the leader of the Tory party at the time of the vote so your sarcastic retort is inaccurate.
1 Like #13
stuarthanley
jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for May
But the lady has an army
Ah, allow me to clear up your confusion
Your vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.
In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?
Let's just clear a few things up.
Theresa May wasn't the leader of the Tory party at the time of the vote so your sarcastic retort is inaccurate.

It's irrelevant, i already told you that we elect a party (not an individual) which we feel represents our political views. The party elect their own leader, any prime minister (or party leader) can step down and resign when they like. We don't get another vote because the leadership has changed.

So, once again. When you vote bear this in mind for the future



Edited By: jayjayuk1234 on Sep 14, 2016 13:51
1 Like #14
I find little endearing about Juncker, but when I hear him or any other politician speak I ask myself one simple question.

Does what they're proposing make my prospects and my ability to provide for my children better or worse? Are their prospects improved by these plans?

I find nothing concerning in Juncker's comments about the state or military operations. What does concern me is his comments on the single market.

I think throughout this whole thing, people have ignored their responsibilities as adults, as parents and as men if I'm being quite honest, but that is modern society.
#15
jayjayuk1234

It's irrelevant, i already told you that we elect a party (not an individual)


Actually if we're being picky you elect an individual - an MP.

The reality is that people also vote for parties or leaders too but it's hardly worth getting bothered about.

Edited By: HotEnglishAndWelshDeals on Sep 14, 2016 13:55
#16
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
jayjayuk1234

It's irrelevant, i already told you that we elect a party (not an individual)
Actually if we're being picky you elect an individual - an MP.
The reality is that people also vote for parties or leaders too.

Well, ok you vote for your local MP, but they are meant to represent the overall ethics of the party.

A change of leader shouldn't drastically alter that


Edited By: jayjayuk1234 on Sep 14, 2016 13:56
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jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for MayBut the lady has an army
Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?
No confusion here was merely making thoose points
#18
You mean like Westminster and their location for Trident
1 Like #19
jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for MayBut the lady has an army
Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?

'your vote doesn't decide the outcome,'
Put very well ;)
banned 5 Likes #20
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I find little endearing about Juncker, but when I hear him or any other politician speak I ask myself one simple question.
Does what they're proposing make my prospects and my ability to provide for my children better or worse? Are their prospects improved by these plans?
I find nothing concerning in Juncker's comments about the state or military operations. What does concern me is his comments on the single market.
I think throughout this whole thing, people have ignored their responsibilities as adults, as parents and as men if I'm being quite honest, but that is modern society.

Liked by mistake, and here's why because you should be worried about Juncker and his plans.

Just imagine for one moment an EU army. In the future there may be trouble on the streets in, let's say Athens. Now that's not too hard to imagine at all. Now think of EU soldiers Hungarian division being deployed to quell the troubles. Don't worry though. The Greek EU army division has not been disbanded, its busy on the streets in Lisbon.

If I wanted to control a superstate and it's people with an iron fist it's exactly what I would consider.

This is a very serious development and was not put on the table prior to Brexit for strategic reasons. For all those that dream of the UK somehow not invoking article 50, this news should show you what we have managed to disentangle ourselves from.



Edited By: cchopps on Sep 14, 2016 15:57
#21
cchopps
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I find little endearing about Juncker, but when I hear him or any other politician speak I ask myself one simple question.
Does what they're proposing make my prospects and my ability to provide for my children better or worse? Are their prospects improved by these plans?
I find nothing concerning in Juncker's comments about the state or military operations. What does concern me is his comments on the single market.
I think throughout this whole thing, people have ignored their responsibilities as adults, as parents and as men if I'm being quite honest, but that is modern society.
Liked by mistake, and here's why because you should be worried about Juncker and his plans.
Just imagine for one moment an EU army. In the future there may be trouble on the streets in, let's say Athens. Now that's not too hard to imagine at all. Now think of EU soldiers Hungarian division being deployed to quell the troubles. Don't worry though. The Greek EU army division has not been disbanded, its busy on the streets in Lisbon.
If I wanted to control a superstate and it's people with an iron fist it's exactly what I would consider.
This is a very serious development and was not put on the table prior to Brexit for strategic reasons. For all those that dream of the UK somehow not invoking article 50, this news should show you what we have managed to disentangle ourselves from.

I've read this about five times and I simply can't agree with what you're saying here. I'm trying to contextualise it, view it within the world we live in and I'm just struggling. Sorry I can't give a better response that that - maybe it's the heat and maybe you're entirely correct, but I can't really offer much more than that.
banned 3 Likes #22
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
cchopps
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I find little endearing about Juncker, but when I hear him or any other politician speak I ask myself one simple question.
Does what they're proposing make my prospects and my ability to provide for my children better or worse? Are their prospects improved by these plans?
I find nothing concerning in Juncker's comments about the state or military operations. What does concern me is his comments on the single market.
I think throughout this whole thing, people have ignored their responsibilities as adults, as parents and as men if I'm being quite honest, but that is modern society.
Liked by mistake, and here's why because you should be worried about Juncker and his plans.
Just imagine for one moment an EU army. In the future there may be trouble on the streets in, let's say Athens. Now that's not too hard to imagine at all. Now think of EU soldiers Hungarian division being deployed to quell the troubles. Don't worry though. The Greek EU army division has not been disbanded, its busy on the streets in Lisbon.
If I wanted to control a superstate and it's people with an iron fist it's exactly what I would consider.
This is a very serious development and was not put on the table prior to Brexit for strategic reasons. For all those that dream of the UK somehow not invoking article 50, this news should show you what we have managed to disentangle ourselves from.
I've read this about five times and I simply can't agree with what you're saying here. I'm trying to contextualise it, view it within the world we live in and I'm just struggling. Sorry I can't give a better response that that - maybe it's the heat and maybe you're entirely correct, but I can't really offer much more than that.

Fair enough. Economic and military central control across 27 countries sounds a bit like the old Soviet Union to me. The Russians were deployed in many of the 15 countries it encompassed to ensure the people were kept under control.

Edited By: cchopps on Sep 14, 2016 17:03
5 Likes #23
It seems all Mr Junker does is warn the UK, next thing he will have an EU army and be warning the UK!.....:{
1 Like #24
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for May
But the lady has an army

Unless you live in his constituency you didn't vote for Cameron either.
#25
Fred Smith
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for May
But the lady has an army
Unless you live in his constituency you didn't vote for Cameron either.
too much logic for him - well put!
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davewave
Fred Smith
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for May
But the lady has an army
Unless you live in his constituency you didn't vote for Cameron either.
too much logic for him - well put!
Yes this was my point ffs if you didn't vote there you didn't vote for the PM
http://i.imgur.com/jeZD9Fy.gif
#27
thewongwing101
davewave
Fred Smith
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for May
But the lady has an army
Unless you live in his constituency you didn't vote for Cameron either.
too much logic for him - well put!
Yes this was my point ffs if you didn't vote there you didn't vote for the PMhttp://i.imgur.com/jeZD9Fy.gif
the army existed before Cameron or May, we do not need a duplicate army in EU by an undemocratic president who does not represent the people of the EU and wants to build a dynasty.
#28
thewongwing101
davewave
thewongwing101
davewave
Fred Smith
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for May
But the lady has an army
Unless you live in his constituency you didn't vote for Cameron either.
too much logic for him - well put!
Yes this was my point ffs if you didn't vote there you didn't vote for the PMhttp://i.imgur.com/jeZD9Fy.gif
the army existed before Cameron or May, we do not need a duplicate army in EU by an undemocratic president who does not represent the people of the EU and wants to build a dynasty.
Like May

Not just a reply to you but looking at the replies in here, I'm curious to know what changes, if any, people would like to see in the voting process for a PM. In the case of resign, would you rather the public vote on a new PM within the conservatives or hold a general election?
#29
thewongwing101
jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for MayBut the lady has an army
Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?
'your vote doesn't decide the outcome,'
Put very well ;)

Ha, out of context quote ;) - You know full well what i meant :D
#30
Like May or indeed any politician what one doesn't want to build a dynasty ?
like we have any sort of democracy in this country ffs ?
#31
jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for MayBut the lady has an army
Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?
'your vote doesn't decide the outcome,'
Put very well ;)
Ha, out of context quote ;) - You know full well what i meant :D
Still true for MOST people in this country
you are wrong
the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister.
it is a fairly meaningless statement full stop
but I take it you mean the leader of the largest party
this is also wrong

Edited By: thewongwing101 on Sep 14, 2016 19:13: wrong
#32
drasim
thewongwing101
davewave
thewongwing101
davewave
Fred Smith
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for May
But the lady has an army
Unless you live in his constituency you didn't vote for Cameron either.
too much logic for him - well put!
Yes this was my point ffs if you didn't vote there you didn't vote for the PMhttp://i.imgur.com/jeZD9Fy.gif
the army existed before Cameron or May, we do not need a duplicate army in EU by an undemocratic president who does not represent the people of the EU and wants to build a dynasty.
Like May
Not just a reply to you but looking at the replies in here, I'm curious to know what changes, if any, people would like to see in the voting process for a PM. In the case of resign, would you rather the public vote on a new PM within the conservatives or hold a general election?
What we need imo is a return to the 'cabinet' system
where the PM had to justify and get consent for their decisions
3 Likes #33
An incredibly disturbing development that should not be underestimated.

You have to ask, why was this not put to the UK population prior to The Referendum? If it was, the result would have been far far greater for Brexit for sure.
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coathanger
An incredibly disturbing development that should not be underestimated.
You have to ask, why was this not put to the UK population prior to The Referendum? If it was, the result would have been far far greater for Brexit for sure.
It was. It was written off as "leave lies and misinformation"
banned 2 Likes #35
stuarthanley
coathanger
An incredibly disturbing development that should not be underestimated.
You have to ask, why was this not put to the UK population prior to The Referendum? If it was, the result would have been far far greater for Brexit for sure.
It was. It was written off as "leave lies and misinformation"

27th May 2016 news headlines. I would love to have listened to the reaction of today's news if we had chosen to stay. Of course if we had chosen to stay I would have accepted that decision, but personally speaking I would have been devastated. Bearing in mind how close the referendum result was, I think we had an incredibly lucky escape.

It's also worth remembering it was more than a whisper that David Cameron's so called concessions received from the EU prior to the referendum were at the expense of accepting the EU army.

Edited By: cchopps on Sep 14, 2016 20:32
1 Like #36
stuarthanley
coathanger
An incredibly disturbing development that should not be underestimated.
You have to ask, why was this not put to the UK population prior to The Referendum? If it was, the result would have been far far greater for Brexit for sure.
It was. It was written off as "leave lies and misinformation"
Pure fantasy, apparently.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/27/is-there-a-secret-plan-to-create-an-eu-army

Of course Juncker has been voicing the need for a EU army for a while.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31796337

Edited By: [email protected] on Sep 14, 2016 20:43
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[email protected]
stuarthanley
coathanger
An incredibly disturbing development that should not be underestimated.
You have to ask, why was this not put to the UK population prior to The Referendum? If it was, the result would have been far far greater for Brexit for sure.
It was. It was written off as "leave lies and misinformation"
Pure fantasy, apparently.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/27/is-there-a-secret-plan-to-create-an-eu-army
Of course Junker has been voicing the need for a EU army for a while.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31796337
Seems to be a lack of comments on here from those that scoffed at these so-called lies...
#38
thewongwing101
jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for MayBut the lady has an army
Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?
'your vote doesn't decide the outcome,'
Put very well ;)
Ha, out of context quote ;) - You know full well what i meant :D
Still true for MOST people in this country
you are wrong
the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister.
it is a fairly meaningless statement full stop
but I take it you mean the leader of the largest party
this is also wrong

No, as you're being pedantic now, of course we all know the queen has to choose the prime minister 'supposedly'. And what i meant was (as you well know) that one persons vote doesn't decide all, nothing more nothing less. You can nit pick what i typed all you like, it will be ignored

it is typically the leader of the political party or coalition of parties that holds the largest number of seats in that chamber

If this is the foundation of your argument then there is no point in our conversation, i won't get involved in a 'straw man' argument with supercilious idiots on a shopping forum.



Edited By: jayjayuk1234 on Sep 14, 2016 21:22: a
#39
jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
jayjayuk1234
thewongwing101
I don't recall voting for MayBut the lady has an army
Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?
'your vote doesn't decide the outcome,'
Put very well ;)
Ha, out of context quote ;) - You know full well what i meant :D
Still true for MOST people in this country
you are wrong
the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister.
it is a fairly meaningless statement full stop
but I take it you mean the leader of the largest party
this is also wrong
No, as you're being pedantic now, of course we all know the queen has to do it. And what i meant was (as you well know) that one persons vote doesn't decide all, nothing more nothing less
it is typically the leader of the political party or coalition of parties that holds the largest number of seats in that chamber
If this is the foundation of your argument then there is no point in our conversation, i won't get involved in a 'straw man' argument with supercilious idiots
^this^
#40
The europeans will never pay out for an army,they like to sit and watch the us &uk paying for nato.

The Germans use the wars as an excuse not to fight , the dutch just run away, the irish/swedes just stand on the sidelines and do nothing, the italians X) ,the spanish have done nothing since the Armada set sail,the french might be of some use,leaving the just the British as usual to pay in blood and money to help clean up other peoples mess.

Oh and by the way Russia has now rebuilt and has a far superior armed force than anything the mickey mouse europeans could put together.

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