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Just as I was convinced to vote Tory..

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... they have to open their big right wing mouths! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8602371.stm
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banned6y, 11m agoPosted 6 years, 11 months ago
... they have to open their big right wing mouths!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8602371.stm
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banned6y, 11m agoPosted 6 years, 11 months ago
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#2
(no homo) literally haha
banned#3
1 persons view doesnt equal 'they'

tbh, imo he has a valid point
banned#4
"I took the view that if it's a question of somebody who's doing a B&B in their own home, that individual should have the right to decide who does and who doesn't come into their own home." - Grayling

... and have sex.

That's what he's getting at. Why is it assumed that gay/lesbian folk do nothing but **** all day?
banned#5
csiman
1 persons view doesnt equal 'they'


This close to an election, it unfortunately does.
#6
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0804/care-cup-demotivational-poster-1209052332.jpg
#7
completely over the top reaction and the guardians headline about tories wanting to ban gays was ridiculous. I suppose if yu cant beat the daily mail you may as well join them.
banned#8
ants97
completely over the top reaction and the guardians headline about tories wanting to ban gays was ridiculous. I suppose if yu cant beat the daily mail you may as well join them.


So you agree that B&B owners can turn away gay people?
#9
JonnyTwoToes
So you agree that B&B owners can turn away gay people?


Yes.
#10
You shouldn't consider voting tory in the first place, losts of broken promises and the party of the snobs!!!
banned#11
Snailman
Yes.


Nice. I bet as people go, you're great.
banned#12
tonypop
You shouldn't consider voting tory in the first place, losts of broken promises and the party of the snobs!!!


I agree, but it's the best bet we have this time around... until 'they' remind me of their right wing attitude!
#13
JonnyTwoToes
So you agree that B&B owners can turn away gay people?


Did I say that and to be fair neither did he.

If someone wants to exclude people from using their business if it doubles up as their home then they should be allowed. If they do then I cannot see their business lasting very long but they should be allowed to be idiots and ruin their business as they see fit.
#14
hopefully the gays will be sh&gging in the B&B owners hallways
#15
JonnyTwoToes
So you agree that B&B owners can turn away gay people?

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Yes. It's their B&B and IMO they should only have to let people in that they want to.

Even if they said a certain race were not allowed it I wouldn't have a problem with that.

It's their B&B, they should be allowed to do what they want.[/COLOR]
#16
JonnyTwoToes
Nice. I bet as people go, you're great.


you love to make assumptions
banned#17
ants97
Did I say that and to be fair neither did he.

There was a question mark after my post, meaning I was asking a question not making a statement.
And yes, he did say that B&B owners had the right to turn away gay couples.


ants97
If someone wants to exclude people from using their business if it doubles up as their home then they should be allowed. If they do then I cannot see their business lasting very long but they should be allowed to be idiots and ruin their business as they see fit.


The point is simple. You open up your house as a B&B you then become a business and therefore you need to play fair. You can't pick and choose between your personal opinions and your obligation to provide a service (business-wise).
banned#18
The JFK
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Yes. It's their B&B and IMO they should only have to let people in that they want to.

Even if they said a certain race were not allowed it I wouldn't have a problem with that.

It's their B&B, they should be allowed to do what they want.[/COLOR]


B&B = business. It's not as though they are helping someone out by letting them stay in their spare room.
#19
JonnyTwoToes
There was a question mark after my post, meaning I was asking a question not making a statement.
And yes, he did say that B&B owners had the right to turn away gay couples.




The point is simple. You open up your house as a B&B you then become a business and therefore you need to play fair. You can't pick and choose between your personal opinions and your obligation to provide a service (business-wise).


well you can, its still your own house.
banned#20
"Homophobia and racism: It's what we do best here at Hot UK Deals"
banned#21
numptyj
you love to make assumptions


I'm presuming that someone who thinks discrimination against gay people is OK might not be my ideal drinking partner. I'm only talking from my opinion - remember that.
banned#22
numptyj
well you can, its still your own house.


Not if you have some of it being used for business.
Show me one B&B that isn't taking advantage of the tax breaks for declaring a percentage of their home to be used for business. They can't have it both ways.
#23
Strong undertones of homophobia ITT.
#24
JonnyTwoToes
There was a question mark after my post, meaning I was asking a question not making a statement.
And yes, he did say that B&B owners had the right to turn away gay couples.




The point is simple. You open up your house as a B&B you then become a business and therefore you need to play fair. You can't pick and choose between your personal opinions and your obligation to provide a service (business-wise).




he also said this,

"If they are running a hotel on the high street, I really don't think that it is right in this day and age that a gay couple should walk into a hotel and be turned away because they are a gay couple, and I think that is where the dividing line comes."

so my point remains the same, if the b&b doubles up as your home then yes you should have a say in who stays in your home no matter how idiotic or stupid the reasons.
#25
JonnyTwoToes
Not if you have some of it being used for business.
Show me one B&B that isn't taking advantage of the tax breaks for declaring a percentage of their home to be used for business. They can't have it both ways.


well they can and are, learn to live with it
banned#26
ants97
he also said this,

"If they are running a hotel on the high street, I really don't think that it is right in this day and age that a gay couple should walk into a hotel and be turned away because they are a gay couple, and I think that is where the dividing line comes."

so my point remains the same, if the b&b doubles up as your home then yes you should have a say in who stays in your home no matter how idiotic or stupid the reasons.


But the point remains that B&B owners have tax breaks for having a certain percentage of their homes declared as business premises. It would be hypocritical to then allow a personal opinion of the owner to influence a business decision.
banned#27
numptyj
well they can and are, learn to live with it


Not if I feel strongly about something. The fact you're happy with discrimination is fine, in your life. I'm not, so I'll say whatever I want, when I want, how I want. Live with that!
banned#28
This thread is really going places!
#29
[COLOR="Red"]Why does OP care so much?

Has he been rejected from a B&B in the past?


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banned#30
JonnyTwoToes;8284501
I'm presuming that someone who thinks discrimination against gay people is OK might not be my ideal drinking partner. I'm only talking from my opinion - remember that.

so you also must agree that B&B owners should not be allowed to refuse stag parties etc etc or does discrimination only count if they are gay?
banned#31
The JFK;8284577
[COLOR=Red]Why does OP care so much?

Has he been rejected from a B&B in the past?


(serious)[/COLOR]

you may have hit the nail on the head here (no homo :w00t:)
#32
DanJackson
This thread is really going places!


if only our beloved Princess Diana was still here this wouldnt happen would it DJ.
banned#33
The JFK
[COLOR="Red"]Why does OP care so much?

Has he been rejected from a B&B in the past?


(serious)[/COLOR]


No, I'm not gay.
I stayed in a wonderful place in Brighton once that was clearly 'gay friendly' and I was treated like a King (or Queen!).
It is ridiculous to have people not wanting to have gay people stay in their businesses, so to have some Tory Boy agreeing with them is exasperating!
banned#34
csiman
so you also must agree that B&B owners should not be allowed to refuse stag parties etc etc or does discrimination only count if they are gay?


Not at all. Discrimination is discrimination. Full stop.
A stag party is more likely to cause problems than a gay couple though so precautions should be taken.
I stayed in Blackpool on a stag do and we were forced to stay in a two bed room at the end of the corridor (there was 8 of us).
#35
JonnyTwoToes
But the point remains that B&B owners have tax breaks for having a certain percentage of their homes declared as business premises. It would be hypocritical to then allow a personal opinion of the owner to influence a business decision.


well take away the tax breaks and any other benefits that they may recieve from having their home as their business. If they want to live by the sword then let their "business" die by the sword.
banned#36
numptyj
if only our beloved Princess Diana was still here this wouldnt happen would it DJ.


No it wouldn't! God bless the Queen of Our Hearts England's Rose. And there wouldn't be immigrant tramps eating swans and England's Sow Jade Goody would still be here to protect us
banned#37
ants97
well take away the tax breaks and any other benefits that they may recieve from having their home as their business. If they want to live by the sword then let their "business" die by the sword.


So where do you draw the line?
What if I ran my business from home and I had a problem with black people?
Would it be OK not to provide promotional merchandise to them?
#38
JonnyTwoToes
Not if I feel strongly about something. The fact you're happy with discrimination is fine, in your life. I'm not, so I'll say whatever I want, when I want, how I want. Live with that!


once again nice assumption, point out to where I said I'm fine with discrimination.
#39
Someone got mocked on here for saying he believed HUKD was quite homophobic in it's stance and almost allowed homophobic comments.

He was mocked and I felt it was a bit OTT at the time, I thought he was referring to (no homo) etc, which tbh is in jest, but reading the undertones in this thread it's strong homophobia.

If this thread was about the same subject but instead of gay people, Muslims or black people for examples, the thread and the comments in it would have been pulled ages ago.
banned#40
numptyj
once again nice assumption, point out to where I said I'm fine with discrimination.


Your placidity with discrimination in this case is clear. Should I not take the view that you don't give a ***** ?

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