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Just been to mates party - Smoking

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banned7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
...and been subjected to a torrent of smoke, first time in 3-4yrs. Made my asthma flare right up. Then he starts puffing on his inhaler...just like fat people, people who smoke should be banned from treatment related to their illness. It's money down the pan.
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banned7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
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#1
who should be force fed more cake and more fags...probably less strain on the economy!
#2
And anybody who has an alcohol related symptom should get zero treatment as well.
#3
oh how we all love too be judge and jury
#4
getting too much like a nanny state now (and i dont drink or smoke - but think everyone should be able to make up their own minds if they want to)
#5
sn0ttyang3l
getting too much like a nanny state now (and i dont drink or smoke - but think everyone should be able to make up their own minds if they want to)


Agreed, they should. It's easy to say smokers, drinkers, fat people shouldn't get treatment. It is self inflicted after all. How about we take it one step further and say fit people who participate in sport should be treated the same. They know there's a health risk involved......

Where do you draw the line? How about, not bother treating anybody. We can probably come up with some stupid tenuous reason not to without much thought ;-)
#6
Shengis;6339442
Agreed, they should. It's easy to say smokers, drinkers, fat people shouldn't get treatment. It is self inflicted after all. How about we take it one step further and say fit people who participate in sport should be treated the same. They know there's a health risk involved......

Where do you draw the line? How about, not bother treating anybody. We can probably come up with some stupid tenuous reason not to without much thought ;-)

my response was that of a semi sarcastic/semi comedic one.

the US do...privatised health care, but as we have the NHS surely in some ways the NI contributors and tax payers should have some say in the treatment available?
#7
Without the tax contributions from tobacco sales the NHS would be.................f*$£$£*;-)
#8
Shengis
Agreed, they should. It's easy to say smokers, drinkers, fat people shouldn't get treatment. It is self inflicted after all. How about we take it one step further and say fit people who participate in sport should be treated the same. They know there's a health risk involved......

Where do you draw the line? How about, not bother treating anybody. We can probably come up with some stupid tenuous reason not to without much thought ;-)


True, and what I like to think about is where is the line drawn for fat people, does someone say all fat people shouldnt get help, the greedy ones shouldnt get help, the lazy ones etc and ignore say a healthy fat person who does say hillwalking or goes to the gym but may just eat a lot but have a very active lifestyle.

Also with fat people who do they bother? its not as if they are smoking cigarettes and the smoke blowing in peoples faces, its not like someone drinking and getting in a fight or so drunk they do a prank like jumping off a bridge or walking in front of a car etc.

The term fat is too vague alone.
#9
awoodhall2003
my response was that of a semi sarcastic/semi comedic one.

the US do...privatised health care, but as we have the NHS surely in some ways the NI contributors and tax payers should have some say in the treatment available?


My first comment about drinkers was as well mate;-) If you pay tax/NI you should get treatment. End of. Alcohol/Fags/Choklid = Taxation, you pay for it, you should get it :lol:
#10
ryouga
True, and what I like to think about is where is the line drawn for fat people, does someone say all fat people shouldnt get help, the greedy ones shouldnt get help, the lazy ones etc and ignore say a healthy fat person who does say hillwalking or goes to the gym but may just eat a lot but have a very active lifestyle.

Also with fat people who do they bother? its not as if they are smoking cigarettes and the smoke blowing in peoples faces, its not like someone drinking and getting in a fight or so drunk they do a prank like jumping off a bridge or walking in front of a car etc.

The term fat is too vague alone.


To which I have to make the comedic comment....

Iz you fat :lol: ;-)
#11
Shengis
To which I have to make the comedic comment....

Iz you fat :lol: ;-)


Yeah I am fat, I generally dont put on much more weight than I am I just eat little for a few days then pig out once or twice a week then eat little to nothing for a few days.

Thats why I am fat which is my fault but its not as if I am some glutton or anything lol.
#12
ryouga
Yeah I am fat, I generally dont put on much more weight than I am I just eat little for a few days then pig out once or twice a week then eat little to nothing for a few days.

Thats why I am fat which is my fault but its not as if I am some glutton or anything lol.


So you've basically found your natural level. I'm pretty much the same. 6'6" and over 20stone. I rarely eat sweets etc but do like sandwiches. I reckon I should sue Kingsmill for making such tasty bread :lol:
#13
Shengis
So you've basically found your natural level. I'm pretty much the same. 6'6" and over 20stone. I rarely eat sweets etc but do like sandwiches. I reckon I should sue Kingsmill for making such tasty bread :lol:


Really? I was thin till a few years ago only difference was I rarely ate take aways then I vary between 15-18 stone over the space of a week or two each time and should be 12 and a half stone for my height and build.
#14
lol @ Kingsmill!

ill sue...dont know actually...resturants!

Im 6ft, 14stone roughly...
banned#15
5ft 11", 12.5stone I find it a daily struggle to gain weight I have to eat and eat and eat till I feel sick.
#16
ryouga
Really? I was thin till a few years ago only difference was I rarely ate take aways then I vary between 15-18 stone over the space of a week or two each time and should be 12 and a half stone for my height and build.


You lose/gain 3 stone in week............... Pure BS
#17
autolesbona
You lose/gain 3 stone in week............... Pure BS

or one hell of a serious eating disorder!:?
#18
autolesbona
You lose/gain 3 stone in week............... Pure BS


i lost that amount in 6 weeks while ago, u would need to have an operation to do it that quick
#19
autolesbona
You lose/gain 3 stone in week............... Pure BS

What I reall meant was I can be 18 stone then be down to about 17 by the end, back up to 18 week after but some weeks I can drop well over a stone and no matter how many times I weigh myself I may be 18 stone, then a few days later 16 stone, probably water calories.

I never know if I have something wrong with me or if its because often when I weigh myself its shortly after I have been to the toilet!

It is possible though as I had a chest infection 3 years ago and lost 3 stone in around 10 days but I didnt really eat the entire time and when I went hitchhiking across Europe a few years back lived off bread and water for about 5 days, then take aways for 3 days then bread and water for the 5 days back then lost over 2 and a half stone, but I was walking dozens of miles each day.
#20
ryouga
I never know if I have something wrong with me or if its because often when I weigh myself its shortly after I have been to the toilet!


I now have a vision of you laying a 14lb log. Toilet humour, gotta love it :lol:
#21
lumoruk;6339578
5ft 11", 12.5stone I find it a daily struggle to gain weight I have to eat and eat and eat till I feel sick.

yeah that was my weight when i use to keep myself in better shape 12.5 stone then started to bulk a bit through muscle gain, then stopped working out and went to fat...then started eating out more and more etc etc...now 14-14.5stone roughly i think. Just about to try and lose it though, but not at a stone a week as above! :w00t:
#22
Shengis
I now have a vision of you laying a 14lb log. Toilet humour, gotta love it :lol:


Seriously though, I dont know much about weight gain and loss, I do drink a lot of sugary drinks though so just assumed that my weight loss when it happens is water calories or empty calories whatever they call them.
#23
i used to run 4/5 hours everyday, nobreaks, just water mainly, never ate junk or too much and it took me 6 weeks, how someone can lose what u say that quick is really good, ive gone from 15 to 12 recently just by watching what i eat, dont have time or energy anymore, glad its going down rather then up. just gotta stick with it now. i think it gets easier once youre brain realises sugars and fats are no good for you, only then do u see change.
1 Like #24
>> ...and been subjected to a torrent of smoke, first time in 3-4yrs. Made my asthma flare right up.
>> Then he starts puffing on his inhaler...just like fat people, people who smoke should be banned
>> from treatment related to their >> illness. It's money down the pan.

1) you avatar says "amsterdam lost for 8 hours" - hrrmmm you don't smoke tobacco, but could I assume from your avatar you visit prostitutes and smoke drugs? smoking cannabis has been proven to be
carcinogenic and supposedly worse because people generally breathe marijuana smoke longer and deeper, thus depositing ash deeper in to the lungs compared to cigarettes. if you do visit ladies of the night in amsterdam, many have been trafficed from eastern europe and are working to pay of huge debts and thus defines them victims of the slave sex trade.

2) Your comment about fat people having an inhaler. come on not all fat people have asthma - it appears you're not fat given your snide comment but you do have asthma! some (there are many theories) research papers on asthma blame parents for creating an overly sanitised environment for their kids preventing them from being exposed to irritants at a young age. can we then assume your parents failed in your upbringing?

3) get new friends or perhaps your friends should ditch you. or even easier - walk away! or perhaps even tell them you don't like being around smokers. no, it appears you don't have the free will or common sense - to do such.

4) your comment concerning smokers should not receive health care related to that illness
4a) if you conducted some research, you would discover that in many countries with nationalised healthcare, that the tax paid by smokers is MORE than the national cost of the ENTIRE healthcare system, thus meaning smokers are paying for non-smokers healthcare with the government keeping the change.
4b) smoking is a disease. many older smokers took up smoking when it was promoted by by doctors as a relaxant. some doctors even until the 70s recommended some pregnant women to take up smoking - hence making them addicted.
4c) I am non-eu, a high income tax payer and thus pay an absolutely staggering amount to the nhs. i am entitled to some minor nhs healthcare cover, but anything major is covered by a unilateral health agreement with my home country who pays the bill to the uk government. soooooo why am I paying nhs at all? to pay for the fat, the skinny, the drunks, the druggies, the smokers, the ones with confidence issues for having small boobs (needing enlargement) and even the healthy of the country who by misfortune become sick. my nhs contribution is an acceptable payment to ensure that society moves for and is successful and i am happy with that even though i personally receive no direct benefit, but indirectly i do benefit.
4d) in economic terms smoking (petrol, food and medication) is inelastic, this means that regardless of an increase in price the demand does not decrease proportionally. now, this is why governments constantly increase the tax on these products as they are considered cash cows. if the government actually cared about the population they would simply ban smoking, but they never will. by not acting they are indirectly supporting smoking regardless of the diseases associated with it - who did you vote in?

4e) smoking can be healthy to non-smokers (in a bizarre way)! smoking on planes is actually healthier for nonsmokers because it means the plane cannot recycle the air (which spreads illness) and must constantly bring in fresh air. airlines did not ban smoking initially for health reasons, they in fact did it for fuel economy to reduce the price (by 5%) for everyone - the consequence is higher illness levels for all passengers.

5) your comment about money down the pan. is it your money? do you like it when people tell you how to spend your money? so why make such a comment?

i acknowledge all my arguments are debatable and controversial, and that they do assume much, but come on OP, why make such a rubbish post? why not use common -freaking- sense and walk away.

to me you look like a right uneducated hypocritical fool
#25
:lol:

Shame its sunday morning, no supermarkets open 24 hours so little chance of acquiring popcorn......
#26
Shengis
:lol:

Shame its sunday morning, no supermarkets open 24 hours so little chance of acquiring popcorn......


Unless you live in Scotland where 24 hour supermarkets actually are 24 hours even at weekends and bank holidays!
#27
ryouga
Unless you live in Scotland where 24 hour supermarkets actually are 24 hours even at weekends and bank holidays!


Well i'm not driving all that way just for popcorn :lol:
#28
Fat smokers. Theyre the worst.
#29
smoking is now banned in all public venues-thankfully,it is still allowed in PRIVATE property if the owner allows it-to complain about that seems ridiculous tbh.
#30
my current gripe with the NHS is sex changes for kids! wtf. how expensive is that..... stupid waste of money!
#31
dcx_badass
You know if you go on holiday to the middle east should I assume that you sell oil and own an ak47?


nothing wrong with ak47s!

i tried to cover my assumptions and generalisations: "..i acknowledge all my arguments are debatable and controversial, and that they do assume much.." and was just trying to throw some absurd generalisations/logic/assumptions/arguments back at the OPs own absurd comments. :)
#32
lumoruk
5ft 11", 12.5stone I find it a daily struggle to gain weight I have to eat and eat and eat till I feel sick.


if you want to gain weight here is an economical way! :Dhttp://www.hotukdeals.com/item/429945/westlers-sausages-in-lard-9p-b-m/
banned#33
magicbeans
my current gripe with the NHS is sex changes for kids! wtf. how expensive is that..... stupid waste of money!


I know - parents will do anything to get their kids into a good school:roll:
banned#34
dcx_badass
Won't he pay for the inhalers anyway?


£7.50 doesn't cover the cost of the inhaler, I've been taken off the most expensive inhaler to a cheaper version that costs me more than the inhaler is worth.

ascen
>> ...and been subjected to a torrent of smoke, first time in 3-4yrs. Made my asthma flare right up.
>> Then he starts puffing on his inhaler...just like fat people, people who smoke should be banned
>> from treatment related to their >> illness. It's money down the pan.

1) you avatar says "amsterdam lost for 8 hours" - hrrmmm you don't smoke tobacco, but could I assume from your avatar you visit prostitutes and smoke drugs? smoking cannabis has been proven to be
carcinogenic and supposedly worse because people generally breathe marijuana smoke longer and deeper, thus depositing ash deeper in to the lungs compared to cigarettes. if you do visit ladies of the night in amsterdam, many have been trafficed from eastern europe and are working to pay of huge debts and thus defines them victims of the slave sex trade.

2) Your comment about fat people having an inhaler. come on not all fat people have asthma - it appears you're not fat given your snide comment but you do have asthma! some (there are many theories) research papers on asthma blame parents for creating an overly sanitised environment for their kids preventing them from being exposed to irritants at a young age. can we then assume your parents failed in your upbringing?

3) get new friends or perhaps your friends should ditch you. or even easier - walk away! or perhaps even tell them you don't like being around smokers. no, it appears you don't have the free will or common sense - to do such.

4) your comment concerning smokers should not receive health care related to that illness
4a) if you conducted some research, you would discover that in many countries with nationalised healthcare, that the tax paid by smokers is MORE than the national cost of the ENTIRE healthcare system, thus meaning smokers are paying for non-smokers healthcare with the government keeping the change.
4b) smoking is a disease. many older smokers took up smoking when it was promoted by by doctors as a relaxant. some doctors even until the 70s recommended some pregnant women to take up smoking - hence making them addicted.
4c) I am non-eu, a high income tax payer and thus pay an absolutely staggering amount to the nhs. i am entitled to some minor nhs healthcare cover, but anything major is covered by a unilateral health agreement with my home country who pays the bill to the uk government. soooooo why am I paying nhs at all? to pay for the fat, the skinny, the drunks, the druggies, the smokers, the ones with confidence issues for having small boobs (needing enlargement) and even the healthy of the country who by misfortune become sick. my nhs contribution is an acceptable payment to ensure that society moves for and is successful and i am happy with that even though i personally receive no direct benefit, but indirectly i do benefit.
4d) in economic terms smoking (petrol, food and medication) is inelastic, this means that regardless of an increase in price the demand does not decrease proportionally. now, this is why governments constantly increase the tax on these products as they are considered cash cows. if the government actually cared about the population they would simply ban smoking, but they never will. by not acting they are indirectly supporting smoking regardless of the diseases associated with it - who did you vote in?

4e) smoking can be healthy to non-smokers (in a bizarre way)! smoking on planes is actually healthier for nonsmokers because it means the plane cannot recycle the air (which spreads illness) and must constantly bring in fresh air. airlines did not ban smoking initially for health reasons, they in fact did it for fuel economy to reduce the price (by 5%) for everyone - the consequence is higher illness levels for all passengers.

5) your comment about money down the pan. is it your money? do you like it when people tell you how to spend your money? so why make such a comment?

i acknowledge all my arguments are debatable and controversial, and that they do assume much, but come on OP, why make such a rubbish post? why not use common -freaking- sense and walk away.

to me you look like a right uneducated hypocritical fool


Wow just wow for going to all that effort, repped even though you've misunderstood the OP in the main.

Jumping to conclusions about my avatar aren't you? Yeah I visited the red light district but I didn't smoke anything or visit any prostitutes I don't need to. I got lost cycling around Amsterdam because all the subways look the same, and someone had switched the signs back to the camp site.

Misread or I mis-wrote my comment about fat people, fat people don't get ops on their legs until they lose weight. I was simply comparing the two. I wouldn't begrudge a fat person having an inhaler.

I am allergic to cats and dust mites, pollutants from motor vehicles and smoke kicks off my asthma, I had two cats in my house from birth till I left home. My Mum never had any anti-bacterial spray for surfaces don't think they were around then. I blame my Mum smoking through out my child hood, but my brother doesn't suffer from asthma. Apparently there is a gene linking asthma, hay fever and eczema of which I suffer from them all.

We were outside it's just they are obviously selfish people, wasn't my mates smoking around me it was their girlfriends. I didn't really feel it would be a good idea to bitch at them.

4)a) sorry but the figures I've seen concerning the NHS it would save money if all smokers quit, but that would take 80 odd years to see the resultant savings - voted various, lib dems, then conservatives, then this one just gone green party.
#35
the tax on tobbacco products more than covers the cost of smoking related illnesses to the NHS

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