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Labour responsible for "broken Britain"???

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banned6y, 7m agoPosted 6 years, 7 months ago
Makes me laugh when I hear the above. I'm 30 and for as long as I can remember (say from maybe 1986) society has been in decline.

The only thing Labour are guilty of in my opinion is not stopping the decline, something that no party could have done.

So when did we get so "broken"? Who can we blame? What can we do?
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banned6y, 7m agoPosted 6 years, 7 months ago
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#1
we got broken when our houses get robbed and if we do anything to stop them, we go to jail while they get a bit fat comp cheque
#2
we are no more "broken" than we were in the 60's 70's or pretty much any other decade.
#3
to be fair broken britain has been created by the newspapers. I think the problem has got alot worst because of the press, things have been going on for ages and only until recently they have started to pick up on it
#4
Put a stop to inbreeding chavs maybe?
#5
democracy is broken in this country:

its wrong there has been no GE in 13 years even with a change of leader

its wrong that a party could nationally get the highest number of votes and yet still lose
#6
If only Diana were still here it would not be broken!
#7
I hate that phrase more than I hate the Daily Mails comment page, all it needs is some Mcbroon, Bliar, and Liarbour and it's the whole lot complete.
#8
Mallinersha
Put a stop to inbreeding chavs maybe?


I agree with the above and would just like to add the below !!

Maybe it has to something to do with kids having kids!!
Chavs walking their kids to school in the pj's!!
Chavs thinking its cool to have asbo's
Scum being proud about the police wanting to knock their doors down becasue they think they are harbouring their no good Relatives!!

People having so little respect for them selves let alone their neighbours and anyone else living locally!!

Illegal imigrants sucking in all the benefits they can possibly get

Benefit fraudsters claiming on Incapacity benefits whilst managing to go out clubbing every weekend!!

People reckoning that Tax on cars is just for the posh and that they shouldnt have to pay.

People that say that the police shoud be out catching proper criminals rather then stopping them for Speeding !!

Wake up the scum is all around us, and until we put Zero tolerence in force for all of the above and proper Sentencing for crimes then it will continue to decline.
#9
Emotional subject this. Where I live there is a community. People talk. Look out and for each other. The shops are good, transport good and the area has a low crime rate. during the day you will see older people and mum's out and about because most people commute into London. There is a good mix of young first time buyers, stable families and the elderly. in short, all the ingredients that make an 'unbroken' society.
Now as idyllic as it seems, there are exceptions, as anywhere, but our community has 'evolved'. it seems to me that the massive social engineering that has gone on over the last decade has, as with every other period of social engineering, failed.
You cannot social engineer....fact!
Any change MUST begin to support community, family and basic moral values where those who do right are supported and those who threaten or ruin society are dealt with accordingly. No medals for crime anymore.
Who will do best in government....that's your choice to make.
#10
Would not put it down to the goverment myself
Think it more society thats changed
And the chav's going to school in there pj s i really dont get why they do that god it dont take long to get dressed shower etc sheer lazyness in my book my l/o would be mortified if i did that
#11
People get used to the state the nation is in. No one political party is to blame or maybe in some way they are all to blame. The main problem with this country is that we have lost our national identity and are more concerned about the world environment than the local environment. We need national pride replaced. This has nothing to do with race, but everything to do with people of all cultures working together and standing together. We expect the MPs to do it for us and blame them when they cannot. In short, I think our nation is too divided, and I don't think it will get much better than it is today.
#12
Makes me laugh how if you wanted to addopt a dog from say dogs trust, you would have to be checked out to make sure that you can provide a decent living standard for a dog.....yet anyone can push out a baby wether they choose to be in a stable environment ,of legal age,have a safe home of their own to bring that child into, live in a stable environment.

Maybe if these very basic rules were addopted for babies, britain would not be quite so "Broken" as it is today.
#13
Think what we need is a really hard government with a proper back bone.
Some real gutsy Benefit system that checks out each and every individual properly.

Bit Like China maybe they seem to have a very strong government
#14
jellybaby22
I have done it a few times... :oops: put a sweater over them though.....and i would class myself as a chav....:oops:


Are you not embarrased by the fact that people look at you and maybe think you are Lazy or disorganized?

or does it just never enter your head?

Are you not embarrased for your child seeing its parent that is supposed to be setting an example in life walking in the streets with your Pj's on ?

Not having a go at you personally just want to try and understand.
#15
Alfonse
democracy is broken in this country:

its wrong there has been no GE in 13 years even with a change of leader

its wrong that a party could nationally get the highest number of votes and yet still lose


Agree with the last statement but no GE in 13 years? There was one in 2001 and one in 2005 so surely it is 5 years since the last GE. Do agree that a chnage in leader should be an automatic GE though.

Broken Britain is a term invented by the media, same as Credit Crunch. It's just lazy journalism and a catchall term that is really empty and meaningless. Britain is no worse than it has bene in previous decades. Different problems yes, but no worse. A lot of problems we have now are caused by society and the general lack of respect for other people.
#16
I dont quite get the broken Britain bit, look back at the social commentary of the 17th and 18th centuries and society was the same, chonic drunkenness, drug abuse, crime, sexual depravity, yoof of the day etc etc its the way of the British or at least a % of them.
#17
'Broken society' is a discourse of fear and therefore of power. It gives governments (or the media) an opportunity to 'act' in the name of a common cause (like the similar discourse of 'the war on terror'). In a 'Broken Britain', a government may introduce laws that a 'tolerant britain' might find unpalatable. We can also sell newspapers that report on the problem. We can group a collection of prejudices under this title.

'Broken' may also be a sort of reaction to our recognition that progress was always illusionary. Rather than give up that illusion, we discursively creative a 'excuse' for it's temporary suspension. I.e., we will be back on progress just as soon as we fix this broken Britain business.

And as already suggested, this isn't new at all.

Or to put it another way, Britain has never been broken; Britain has always been broken.
#18
DKLS;8486869
I dont quite get the broken Britain bit, look back at the social commentary of the 17th and 18th centuries and society was the same, chonic drunkenness, drug abuse, crime, sexual depravity, yoof of the day etc etc its the way of the British or at least a % of them.

Agree with that. Think it has always been there amongst the lesser educated or less wealthy parts of society. It can also be seen in poorer communities overseas as well. Thats not to say that those from more wealthy backgrounds are immune, just that it is easier to hide some aspects of this type of lifestyle.
ie if you can afford a nanny then you can get the nanny to take the kids to school. If you live on a grand estate then drunken behaviour will not impact on the neighbours in the same way. etc
#19
The whole Capitalist system is broke.

You only have to take a quick look around the world to see that we are no different to most other western countries. The rich get richer as ordinary workers are continually made to pay the price for the shortcomings of the system we live under.

Labour came in on a weak ticket of "Time for Change" and only changed itself into a poor imitation of the Tories. They came to power on a wave of frustration and hatred at the consequences of this decaying system and for a party that stood up for market capitalism in every choice it made, destroying millions of lives over more than a decade in the process.

Now that same system has caused violent and economic chaos and Labour far from doing anything just sucked up the benefits of power while ignoring the suffering of ordinary workers.

I am gutted my children will probably experience a Tory government like I did, but what worries me more is that in desperation people are starting to blame other workers for the mess. This road leads to fascism with all that entails.

In the long run the choice is not between Capitalism or Socialism as Capitalism will inevitably collapse.

The choice will be between Socialism or Barbarism
banned#20
We got broken when labour decided to give China 170 milllion quid for human rights. A country that has trillions in the national bank and doesn´t give two hoots what we think.


Plus they ran up a national debt of 1.4 trillion pounds, you may not feel it now but you will.
#21
As Plum suggests, we might be better off looking to the big failures in our society (esp' capitalism) rather than attempting to blame some of the most vulnerable people.

I too fear the possibility of a new Tory Government that gains power by exploiting fear and prejudice; that promises 'freedom' through indiviualised choice, but that actually reinforces a system where the rich and powerful maintain their positions by redirecting attention away from they own hypocrisy and towards some imagined problem caused by the poorest in our society.
#22
Paidia
As Plum suggests, we might be better off looking to the big failures in our society (esp' capitalism) rather than attempting to blame some of the most vulnerable people.

I too fear the possibility of a new Tory Government that gains power by exploiting fear and prejudice; that promises 'freedom' through indiviualised choice, but that actually reinforces a system where the rich and powerful maintain their positions by redirecting attention away from they own hypocrisy and towards some imagined problem caused by the poorest in our society.



Its ok you saying all that ...but maybe if the poorest got off their bottoms and Got a Job in the first place rather then expecting society to look after them, the country wouldn't be half as bad off as it is now.
And then maybe we wouldn't need so many imigrants in this country to do certain jobs.....even in this current climate their are still loads of jobs in the jobs section...............and for those who say their arent any are just liars and very choosy!!
banned#23
My apologies for starting this thread and then running off, had to be somewhere that I forgot about.

Seems a lot of good comments. Pretty unanimous then that people don't attribute the "broken" state of the country directly to the current government. At least nobody is falling for that notion.
#24
Floravada;8487655
Its ok you saying all that ...but maybe if the poorest got off their bottoms and Got a Job in the first place rather then expecting society to look after them, the country wouldn't be half as bad off as it is now.
And then maybe we wouldn't need so many imigrants in this country to do certain jobs.....even in this current climate their are still loads of jobs in the jobs section...............and for those who say their arent any are just liars and very choosy!!

People like you that blame the poorest people for the problems of the country are a dream lapdogs for the rich and powerful. You are too lazy to do any real investigating into the problem and just rely on sucking up the rubbish spewed by your favorite tabloid along with your mates ranting down the pub.
If you think this post in insulting, and making sweeping judgments about you based on no real knowledge you are right. However it does match your nasty little post attacking the unemployed.

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