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LEEDS UNITED 15 Point Deduction.should we get them back?

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banned8y, 8m agoPosted 8 years, 8 months ago
Good morning,on1st May all Leeds united fans will find out if we get our 15 points back, personally I think that if we do get the whole amount back it will cause problems with the other teams who have had points deducted 10 points so think that if we do get points back it should be 5 points so that we are no different from other teams.So what do you think and please don't slag us off too much..
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banned8y, 8m agoPosted 8 years, 8 months ago
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1 Like #1
No. This is not fair on other teams in the division and could make or break some clubs.
1 Like #2
i wish, but in reallity it will be a week before we know. and personnally i think it will depend on next weeks results???
then the verdict will be one that will appease all.
1 Like #3
No - you're in a good postion and other clubs never got their points back.

rotherham and bournemouth - And both them were/are battling relegation
1 Like #4
I think they should, cos they were deducted 10 pts at the end of the 06/07 season for going into administration. Why were they, in effect penalised twice by a further 15 pts at start of 07/08 season? This has never happened before. It's not Leeds' fault that the Football League has left it this late to make their decision.

Edit: BBC Leeds United page states this 25 pt deduction quite clearly for those who do not believe that. That is, i am led to believe the basis for the appeal, and if that is, then surely the 15pts should be restored
#5
I think the point deduction is a very harsh punishment as its usally not the managers or teams fault...
1 Like #6
I think it would make a mockery of the little control the FA have left over football. Leeds flouted the rules and were punished accordingly. What next, allow a player to appeal against a yellow card at the European court of human rights?. Anyway Leeds have yet to be punished for their disgraceful behaviour at their home match against Ipswich last year!!! Why was no action taken then?. Football is a game with rules and if you dont like them dont play!!!
#7
Dougb1;1930810
I think it would make a mockery of the little control the FA have left over football. Leeds flouted the rules and were punished accordingly.
Hold on, how were the punished accordingly? Rules say, if you go into adminstration, it's a 10pt penalty, a one off, so why have they had a 15pt deduction the season after and this is being punished accordingly?
1 Like #8
yes leeds should

too harsh a punishment - bates should have taken the brunt - it was all his doing -
banned#9
boydent999
Hold on, how were the punished accordingly? Rules say, if you go into adminstration, it's a 10pt penalty, a one off, so why have they had a 15pt deduction the season after and this is being punished accordingly?


This is what I say everybody gets a 10 point deduction what did we do that was worth 15 points,I do think it would cause big problems if we do get our points back and think that because of this will not give them back.:?
banned#10
We dont like bates and think he should have been severely reprimaded and not the players and fans as it was not our fault..I thank-you all for you input and find it very interesting what everybody thinks..paul. will add rep to all
2 Likes #11
The thing is the 15 pt deduction isn't for breaking any rules. Leeds went into admin last season and were deducted 10pts accordingly which is fair. The reason we were deducted a further 15pts was because we came out of administration without a CVA. The Football league didn't like this and took away our golden share meaning we couldn't play in the leagues, the football league then basically used our golden share to bribe us by saying you can have your golden share back but only if you agree to a 15pts deduction(which there is no rule for and is unprecedented). Leeds are appealing on the fact that the Football League acted unlawfully, the panel will decide on this point of law and if it finds that the FL did act unlawfully then Leeds will get their points back if they don't then Leeds won't. Whether its unfair against other clubs I don't think is a very good basis not to give us our points back, its taken this long to get to this point with leeds appealing this all season, everyone has played their own games each season and when you look at the table Leeds are the 2nd best team in the league behind Swansea by one point! If then FL did act unlawfully then leeds should get all their points back regardless of it effecting the league table as thats where Leeds should be on the grounds of games won lost and drawn and you can't say fairer than that. Of course if the Football League didn't act unfairly then Leeds' 15pt penalty should rightfully stand and with good reason but in that case we deserve the points deduction and we will just have to go through the playoffs hopefully.
1 Like #12
ryancs
I think the point deduction is a very harsh punishment as its usally not the managers or teams fault...


Quite right. But, it is generally acknowledged that it was Ken Bates' fault. And who stands to gain most if Leeds are promoted? Errm, Ken Bates, I suspect? May be sad for Leeds supporters but not really sure whether the football in League 1 is any worse than the Championship! :roll:
#13
Good post Matthew, repped :)
1 Like #14
should we get them back?

Yes

To much bloody interfereing in football nowadays

I don't support Leeds, but they are way to good to be where they are
#15
Yes give Leeds United back the points but I think they will only get them back if it dont effect the two automatic promotion places, but have a look at the league tables because on Sky yesterday they had Swansea as champions which i found odd because if Leeds get back their stolen points etc etc, you work it out, Decision already made if you ask me.

The reason Leeds got 15 points deducted and not 10? simple cos its Leeds United, nobody likes us and we dont care! !
banned#16
zezlez
Yes give Leeds United back the points but I think they will only get them back if it dont effect the two automatic promotion places, but have a look at the league tables because on Sky yesterday they had Swansea as champions which i found odd because if Leeds get back their stolen points etc etc, you work it out, Decision already made if you ask me.

The reason Leeds got 15 points deducted and not 10? simple cos its Leeds United, nobody likes us and we dont care! !


thanks jezlez ..rep given
#17
This has rattled on and on in out house. OH supports Leeds, the rest of us are the typical glory hunters. No need to say who support as that comment should say it all!!

Anyway, the initial 10 points at the end of the season thing were given as the rules state...... However as we all know leeds went into administration after it was confirmed they would be relegated anyway so no impact from the punishment. It could therefore be argued the 10 points should have been from the start of the next season, but an EXTRA 15??? Sounds like making rules up as you go along really doesn't it?!

The FA will do as they like and who can argue? Bit like the government, but at least we can out them at the next election!!

Good luck to Leeds, you will need it!!
#18
The 15 point deduction was nothing to do with the 10 point one. It is a seperate issue. The 15 point penalty was for the way Leeds exited Administration, they broke the league rules and got punished for it. Other clubs have not got penalties because they exited Administration correctly and as such are usually finacially crippled because of this (eg Ipswich who for the last 3years have had debts of £20+million and only recently got back on track because the debts were bought out and paid off fully.This seriously impeeded there footballing dealings,transfers etc ) . Leeds were not and as such got an unfair advatage by having funds to loan,buy players etc.To give them the points back now would make a complete mockery of the 1st division. Who knows where Leeds would have finished if they did not have the points deducted. I doubt they would have had the same start as more clubs would have had a different out look if Leeds started on an equal footing.
#19
Why did Ken Bates agree to the 15 point penalty?

If they thought the 15 points were wrong to start with why didnt they refuse the FA's offer for their Golden Share and fight their legal appeal then.

I (and other fans) would have a lot more sympathy in the case I think.
#20
not being funny but they have been taken, this decision effects 1000's of pounds...deal with it players get suspended for the wrong decision and they cant get the games back they have lost being suspended...so i think you should just accept they have been taken and progress...if wise hadnt left im sure u wudnt be moaning because ud have still be raking the points in but...now the points are drying up....ur wondering where to get them from...funny u wernt really bothered a few months back when the points were coming thick and fast.

Tranmere for example work there **** off , keep there finances in order, sign whatever they can afford, and build up there team over years, they have a good season and a few off weeks and look like there staying in the division again, but they have accepted the fact that they have screwed it up..... i feel for teams like that.
#21
It would also probably mean that the 10 Point deduction is also illegal as that is also a league rulling, so where would that leave football. FIFA are watching this closley as it is in their rules no club should challenge a leagues authority. This could jeopadise our World cup bid 2018 and would be a perfect exceuse for them not to give it to England.
#22
newbie1001
The 15 point deduction was nothing to do with the 10 point one. It is a seperate issue. The 15 point penalty was for the way Leeds exited Administration, they broke the league rules and got punished for it. Other clubs have not got penalties because they exited Administration correctly and as such are usually finacially crippled because of this (eg Ipswich who for the last 3years have had debts of £20+million and only recently got back on track because the debts were bought out and paid off fully.This seriously impeeded there footballing dealings,transfers etc ) . Leeds were not and as such got an unfair advatage by having funds to loan,buy players etc.To give them the points back now would make a complete mockery of the 1st division. Who knows where Leeds would have finished if they did not have the points deducted. I doubt they would have had the same start as more clubs would have had a different out look if Leeds started on an equal footing.


Teams break the rules almost on a weekly basis, ususally by failing to control their players / fans.... A colleague was at a local league 1 game a week ago where fans invaded the pitch to challenge the ref, should the team be deducted the 1 point they got for this game?? Where does this all end and what is the point??!!

To say other clubs would have had a different outlook if Leeds were on an equual footing is surely an insult to those other clubs? What difference would there have ever been to their game, are you suggesting they didn't try against Leeds and this is why the League Table is as it stands today?

It would be entirely unfair if this resulted in another club failing to reach the play offs, but it is likely the won't get an points back. If they do the FA will no doubt ensure no other club is affected by the decision. That would after all be very unsporting!!
banned#23
:p:pno:p:p no because all you sing is yorkshire yorkshire
banned#24
danby jason
:p:pno:p:p no because all you sing is yorkshire yorkshire


ok if you wish next time we can sing lancashire lancashire:whistling:
banned#25
ah well roll on monday..we wait with bated breath...lets start a new thread..should we get rid of ken bates(master bates) lol
banned#26
danby jason
:p:pno:p:p no because all you sing is yorkshire yorkshire


we also sing who ate all the pies:p
#27
podd2000
We dont like bates and think he should have been severely reprimaded


Ken bates you are a naughty naughty boy now go to your room and think about what you have done:w00t:
banned#28
Tarby25
Ken bates you are a naughty naughty boy now go to your room and think about what you have done:w00t:


thank-you:thumbsup:
#29
I say no, but thats because we're 4th. :giggle:
banned#30
t0mm
I say no, but thats because we're 4th. :giggle:


We the leeds united fans wish you all the luck in playoffs
#31
this should have been sorted well before now. if this was week 6 into the season i think they would have got all 15 points back but now i think they will only get the 5. leeds were treated very harshly and should never of had this imposed on them. the 10 points they had deducted at the end of last season was enough...coventry city fan
banned#32
ah well roll on the 1st May ...
#33
Swans dream came true - Martinez
Boss Roberto Martinez says Swansea's dream came true after clinching the League One title.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/default.stm

It's not all over yet.

MOT
#34
podd2000
ah well today's the day hopefully


Thought the verdict was the 1st of May ?
#35
Leeds united's owners are complete scum. Fully deserving the punishment. If they get there points back then it proves that in football cheaters to indeed prosper. If you spend millions to chase the dream then expect the punishment when you cant pay your debts.

Smaller clubs like my team have struggled through the years, only achieving what we can afford. We turned a profit for the first team since the ITV digital collapse a few years ago. If leeds get there points back then why doesnt each team in the league spend tens of millions chasing the dream, running out of money then paying back 8p in the £1.

Hard on the fans, then again a lot of them are thugs. Then again all teams have idiot fans.
banned#36
Hello matt,calm down a little its supposed to be light hearted thread as I said before its Bates fault not the players or fans so repremand him and his cronies.congratulations to swansea a well deserved triumph
banned#37
stora
Thought the verdict was the 1st of May ?


i am a silly billy:oops: its the yorkshire man in me:whistling:
banned#38
Bristle Hound
should we get them back?

Yes

To much bloody interfereing in football nowadays

I don't support Leeds, but they are way to good to be where they are


Interfering in football?
Something like, waiting to see if your team is relegated then mid way through a game to file for administration, in an attempt to manipulate the rules to suit the club?

As much as I feel for the fans, I don't think manipulation like this should be allowed or we will get to a stage where alll clubs will just do the same, to save having to pay their debts to people like the red cross (who aren't exactly cash rich themselves), and starting afresh next season.

I do think however the 10 point deductions should have been done this season, not last, and it should only have been 10 points.

I don't see why they don't make the rule, if you go into administration after relegation is confirmed (or within 2 games prior of that) then the 10 points are deducted at the start of the following season. That would stop cheats like Bates doing the same again.
#39
podd2000
i am a silly billy:oops: its the yorkshire man in me:whistling:


I've looked it up again and the verdict is BEFORE the 1st of may.

Quite a few good links on this bbc-606 thread if your interested.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A34368870
banned#40
colinsunderland
Interfering in football?
Something like, waiting to see if your team is relegated then mid way through a game to file for administration, in an attempt to manipulate the rules to suit the club?

As much as I feel for the fans, I don't think manipulation like this should be allowed or we will get to a stage where alll clubs will just do the same, to save having to pay their debts to people like the red cross (who aren't exactly cash rich themselves), and starting afresh next season.

I do think however the 10 point deductions should have been done this season, not last, and it should only have been 10 points.

I don't see why they don't make the rule, if you go into administration after relegation is confirmed (or within 2 games prior of that) then the 10 points are deducted at the start of the following season. That would stop cheats like Bates doing the same again.


I think that most leeds fans would like to be rid of Bates but what can we do,as you say it should have been 10 points the same as other clubs who have gone through similar situations...THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT..PAUL.:thumbsup:

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