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Hi guys I wanted to get some thoughts on the above The UK seems far behind the rest of the world when it comes to acknowledging the medicinal properties of cannabis. A handful of countries ha… Read More
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5m, 3w agoPosted 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Hi guys

I wanted to get some thoughts on the above

The UK seems far behind the rest of the world when it comes to acknowledging the medicinal properties of cannabis.

A handful of countries have legalised cannabis completely including Spain and Germany for recreational and medicinal use

But it's the fact, that most developed countries have legalised/decriminalised it for medicinal purpose and UK has not, is my issue

Australia,USA, Canada, Germany, France, Spain, Netherlands, Uruguay, Romania, Chile and many more have all decriminalised for medicinal purpose

We seem stuck in the Dark Ages and our government is not willing to admit error and progress with the rest of the World. Just my opinion and wanted to see what you guys think?
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5m, 3w agoPosted 5 months, 3 weeks ago
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brendanhickey
no, it would be abused by drug addicts... it works in the usa because they don't have a national health service, so the medical properties of cannabis are cost effective compared to offical western medicine. in the uk we have a national health service so we can get proper pain release drugs without it effecting any insurance premium.


Lol, I don't use any drugs but I can tell you're so clueless. It pains me to see opinions like this, based off nothing and the first thing you say is "it would be abused by drug addicts".

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#1
no, it would be abused by drug addicts... it works in the usa because they don't have a national health service, so the medical properties of cannabis are cost effective compared to offical western medicine. in the uk we have a national health service so we can get proper pain release drugs without it effecting any insurance premium.

Edited By: brendanhickey on Jan 30, 2017 12:00: typo
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brendanhickey
no, it would be abused by drug addicts... it works in the usa because they don't have a national health service, so the medical properties of cannabis are cost effective compared to offical western medicine. in the uk we have a national health service so we can get proper pain release drugs without it effecting any insurance premium.


Lol, I don't use any drugs but I can tell you're so clueless. It pains me to see opinions like this, based off nothing and the first thing you say is "it would be abused by drug addicts".
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It could potentially save the NHS a lot especially in the long term

Pharmaceutical pain killers cost a lot more to manufacture and develop than a plant such as cannabis

But it's the more the fact, the side effects of pharmaceutical painkillers are so great and vast, the NHS will save by not having to treat the side effects and associated conditions of painkillers of which there are many

Cannabis is a very effective, zero side effect pain killer. If used without tobacco, it is harmless.
When ingested, even any harmful effects of smoking is removed
#4
Oh no guys, I didn't want people to get into sparring matches over opinions

Please respect others opinions as it is equally valid as your own
#5
You cannot deny people the opportunity for life saving treatment because a small minority of addicts will abuse the system. its down to the people despensing it to make judgement on if there allowed it. I agree it should definitely be legalised for medical purposes only
#6
emmalooker
You cannot deny people the opportunity for life saving treatment because a small minority of addicts will abuse the system. its down to the people despensing it to make judgement on if there allowed it. I agree it should definitely be legalised for medical purposes only
what does weed cure? I thought it just provided pain relief
#7
Also Canada has a free Heath service such as the NHS and they've legalised for medicinal purposes without issue. Don't see why we couldn't manage it properly as well and prevent misuse

Interesting that both of the comments refer to 'drugs'
Are you a "drug user" if you drink alcohol? Lol

The stigma cannabis has is tremendous. It's called a drug and a weed. When In fact, its neither.

It's a herb. Herbal remedies are used worldwide and cannabis should simply be added to the list
#8
It doesn't cure a thing. But emmalooker's point is very valid.
It seems unfair to deny natural, pain relief to those that desperately need it for the fear of misuse

Correct imo. It's upto the powers that be to put measures in place to prevent misuse.
#9
If you look up the testimonies of severe cancer patients and medicinal marijuana, its tear jerking. It's provided (varying) relief from the onslaught of side effects of chemo and radiation

It allows many patients with dehabilitating conditions to have a decent quality of life <3
#10
sorry potheads but weed doesnt cure anything and most importantly there is far much more side effects than many other medication.
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/24625/the-health-effects-of-cannabis-and-cannabinoids-the-current-state
10,000+ studies looking at 20 years of research.

i'm guessing most will downvote me but there is evidence and there is opinion...


dougrobbins78

Cannabis is a very effective, zero side effect pain killer. If used without tobacco, it is harmless.
When ingested, even any harmful effects of smoking is removed

just remind all of use what are the side effect of smoking?


dougrobbins78
If you look up the testimonies of severe cancer patients and medicinal marijuana, its tear jerking. It's provided (varying) relief from the onslaught of side effects of chemo and radiation
It allows many patients with dehabilitating conditions to have a decent quality of life <3

testimonials are not evidence... its also funny how all those testimonials dont have any medical records to confirm diagnosis/cure etc...

Edited By: mattsokolinski on Jan 30, 2017 12:30
#11
murtgurge
emmalooker
You cannot deny people the opportunity for life saving treatment because a small minority of addicts will abuse the system. its down to the people despensing it to make judgement on if there allowed it. I agree it should definitely be legalised for medical purposes only
what does weed cure? I thought it just provided pain relief


If you believe everything you read, it cures pretty much everything including cancer. A bit like sudocrem but trippier.
#12
brendanhickey
no, it would be abused by drug addicts... it works in the usa because they don't have a national health service, so the medical properties of cannabis are cost effective compared to offical western medicine. in the uk we have a national health service so we can get proper pain release drugs without it effecting any insurance premium.


who u calling a drug addict.. what is your definition of a drug addict
#13
mattsokolinski
sorry potheads but weed doesnt cure anything and most importantly there is far much more side effects than many other medication.https://www.nap.edu/catalog/24625/the-health-effects-of-cannabis-and-cannabinoids-the-current-state
10,000+ studies looking at 20 years of research.
i'm guessing most will downvote me but there is evidence and there is opinion...

I agree it doesn't cure.
Your link requires me to create an account to read the article??!!

Can you please elaborate on the "far much more" side effects"' compared to other medication.

Zero people have died from cannabis use in recorded history. 128,000 people die every year from PRESCRIBED medication. Given to them by doctors many of you revere

Here is an article from Harvard that doesn't require you to creat an account to read that supports my stats above

http://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/new-prescription-drugs-major-health-risk-few-offsetting-advantages
#14
brendanhickey
no, it would be abused by drug addicts... it works in the usa because they don't have a national health service, so the medical properties of cannabis are cost effective compared to offical western medicine. in the uk we have a national health service so we can get proper pain release drugs without it effecting any insurance premium.


what's your definition of a drug addict..
#15
dougrobbins78
mattsokolinski
sorry potheads but weed doesnt cure anything and most importantly there is far much more side effects than many other medication.https://www.nap.edu/catalog/24625/the-health-effects-of-cannabis-and-cannabinoids-the-current-state
10,000+ studies looking at 20 years of research.
i'm guessing most will downvote me but there is evidence and there is opinion...
I agree it doesn't cure.
Your link requires me to create an account to read the article??!!
Can you please elaborate on the "far much more" side effects"' compared to other medication.
Zero people have died from cannabis use in recorded history. 128,000 people die every year from PRESCRIBED medication. Given to them by doctors many of you revere
Here is an article from Harvard that doesn't require you to creat an account to read that supports my stats abovehttp://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/new-prescription-drugs-major-health-risk-few-offsetting-advantages


you can create a guest account with any random email to read it... its 400p though :)

Side effects
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/drugs/Pages/cannabis-facts.aspx

yes people died from medications because they abuse it and it is possible to trace it.
once pot will be legalized official reports will start turning up etc..

you are comparing something that is not regulated to something that is regulated and monitored.
you might as well say that turmeric/devil's claw doesnt have side effects compared to naproxen (both used for management of condition's such as arthritis)

Edited By: mattsokolinski on Jan 30, 2017 12:40
#16
mattsokolinski
dougrobbins78
mattsokolinski
sorry potheads but weed doesnt cure anything and most importantly there is far much more side effects than many other medication.https://www.nap.edu/catalog/24625/the-health-effects-of-cannabis-and-cannabinoids-the-current-state
10,000+ studies looking at 20 years of research.
i'm guessing most will downvote me but there is evidence and there is opinion...
I agree it doesn't cure.
Your link requires me to create an account to read the article??!!
Can you please elaborate on the "far much more" side effects"' compared to other medication.
Zero people have died from cannabis use in recorded history. 128,000 people die every year from PRESCRIBED medication. Given to them by doctors many of you revere
Here is an article from Harvard that doesn't require you to creat an account to read that supports my stats abovehttp://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/new-prescription-drugs-major-health-risk-few-offsetting-advantages
you can create a guest account with any random email to read it... its 400p though :)

No thanks. Would you care to summarise the side effects please? Honestly a very short list will summise
#17
Legalise coke and heroin.
#18
What?
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murtgurge
emmalooker
You cannot deny people the opportunity for life saving treatment because a small minority of addicts will abuse the system. its down to the people despensing it to make judgement on if there allowed it. I agree it should definitely be legalised for medical purposes only
what does weed cure? I thought it just provided pain relief
Cured boredom for most of the people I grew up with but probably not a valid point :)
#20
Pot can make people go crazy, some of it has phychodelic properties.
#21
dougrobbins78
mattsokolinski
dougrobbins78
mattsokolinski
sorry potheads but weed doesnt cure anything and most importantly there is far much more side effects than many other medication.https://www.nap.edu/catalog/24625/the-health-effects-of-cannabis-and-cannabinoids-the-current-state
10,000+ studies looking at 20 years of research.
i'm guessing most will downvote me but there is evidence and there is opinion...
I agree it doesn't cure.
Your link requires me to create an account to read the article??!!
Can you please elaborate on the "far much more" side effects"' compared to other medication.
Zero people have died from cannabis use in recorded history. 128,000 people die every year from PRESCRIBED medication. Given to them by doctors many of you revere
Here is an article from Harvard that doesn't require you to creat an account to read that supports my stats abovehttp://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/new-prescription-drugs-major-health-risk-few-offsetting-advantages
you can create a guest account with any random email to read it... its 400p though :)
No thanks. Would you care to summarise the side effects please? Honestly a very short list will summise

dude ive provided you with a link... how much more spoon feeding do you need?
#22
i guess most of the comments are not from people who suffer chronic pain day in day out , taking endless amounts of pain killing drugs with side effects that dont kill the pain , i would try anything.....bit hard to have an opinion if you dont need it ..
legalise!
#23
Your problem is where is it grown legally and what price will they charge the NHS?

How can you be sure those who get it will use it and no their family etc. There is a care of duty and the risks are quite risks, which is why its currently banned.

Neurological pain management path is the long term answer and few countries are as advanced as ours in this.
#24
dougrobbins78

Cannabis is a very effective, zero side effect pain killer. If used without tobacco, it is harmless.
When ingested, even any harmful effects of smoking is removed

****.
#25
groenleader
Your problem is where is it grown legally and what price will they charge the NHS?
How can you be sure those who get it will use it and no their family etc. There is a care of duty and the risks are quite risks, which is why its currently banned.
Neurological pain management path is the long term answer and few countries are as advanced as ours in this.
I agree, it would have to be quantified so that means processing for strength and removing impurities before turning into pill form. Then regulation costs added so you end up with a similar priced product.
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dougrobbins78
It could potentially save the NHS a lot especially in the long term
Pharmaceutical pain killers cost a lot more to manufacture and develop than a plant such as cannabis
But it's the more the fact, the side effects of pharmaceutical painkillers are so great and vast, the NHS will save by not having to treat the side effects and associated conditions of painkillers of which there are many
Cannabis is a very effective, zero side effect pain killer. If used without tobacco, it is harmless.
When ingested, even any harmful effects of smoking is removed

To say cannabis has zero side effects and is harmless is totally wrong, i very much doubt if the most strident pro-cannabis campaigners would make those claims.
#27
Into pill form???!! Oh dear

Even some of those that agree with legalisation for medicinal use, feel it should be "processed" into a pharmaceutical firm. Fair enough

I know most won't read the Harvard article but that, and any other source, will confirm there are over 100,000 deaths per year from prescribed medicines.

These are the medicines that have been processed for strength and "remove impurities".

Man gets involved when natures made a perfect herb. 128,000 deaths a year is a staggering amount. That's the amount admitted by the medical organisations responsible for the avoidable deaths

So far cannabis has killed 0 people ever. Show me one report that suggests a fatality as a result of cannabis consumption
#28
Lol these comments
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coys67
dougrobbins78
It could potentially save the NHS a lot especially in the long term
Pharmaceutical pain killers cost a lot more to manufacture and develop than a plant such as cannabis
But it's the more the fact, the side effects of pharmaceutical painkillers are so great and vast, the NHS will save by not having to treat the side effects and associated conditions of painkillers of which there are many
Cannabis is a very effective, zero side effect pain killer. If used without tobacco, it is harmless.
When ingested, even any harmful effects of smoking is removed
To say cannabis has zero side effects and is harmless is totally wrong, i very much doubt if the most strident pro-cannabis campaigners would make those claims.

Yes they would. What are the side effects?
I have been smoking daily for 17 years and have none. I had chronic asthma since birth. Hospitalised numerous times

I am no asthma medication whatsoever. I was on 2 inhalers previously (one a steroid inhaler!!) I do not use tobacco. It seems counterintuitive but Cannabis keeps my asthma symptoms at bay

I am a fully functioning, tax paying member of society. I am university educated. Worked in the city. Worked as a carer. Volunteer for charity. Have a girlfriend. Am polite and courteous. No criminal record. I don't have a temper and love animals ;)

I can speak, write and read fluently. What are my side effects of long term daily cannabis use?
#30
There are extreme cases where it seems to give miraculous relief from horrible symptoms. I don't think taking any drug is a great idea but wasting money on criminalising instead of helping people with addiction is the real problem.
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Sure and here is why:

How many people end up in A&E on Fri/Sat night due to Alcohol(Fighting, injury, sick etc...)

The only issue with cannabis uses is clogging up your local take away delivery service.

Long term both could be the same with cost to NHS for cancer or other issues
#32
If gov could easily police producers and tax it, it would have been legalised a long time ago I think.
#33
shauneco
Pot can make people go crazy, some of it has phychodelic properties.
Does it cause dyslexia as well?
#34
callu80
brendanhickey
no, it would be abused by drug addicts... it works in the usa because they don't have a national health service, so the medical properties of cannabis are cost effective compared to offical western medicine. in the uk we have a national health service so we can get proper pain release drugs without it effecting any insurance premium.


what's your definition of a drug addict..


someone who is addicted to drugs
#35
dougrobbins78
coys67
dougrobbins78
It could potentially save the NHS a lot especially in the long term
Pharmaceutical pain killers cost a lot more to manufacture and develop than a plant such as cannabis
But it's the more the fact, the side effects of pharmaceutical painkillers are so great and vast, the NHS will save by not having to treat the side effects and associated conditions of painkillers of which there are many
Cannabis is a very effective, zero side effect pain killer. If used without tobacco, it is harmless.
When ingested, even any harmful effects of smoking is removed
To say cannabis has zero side effects and is harmless is totally wrong, i very much doubt if the most strident pro-cannabis campaigners would make those claims.
Yes they would. What are the side effects?
I have been smoking daily for 17 years and have none. I had chronic asthma since birth. Hospitalised numerous times
I am no asthma medication whatsoever. I was on 2 inhalers previously (one a steroid inhaler!!) I do not use tobacco. It seems counterintuitive but Cannabis keeps my asthma symptoms at bay
I am a fully functioning, tax paying member of society. I am university educated. Worked in the city. Worked as a carer. Volunteer for charity. Have a girlfriend. Am polite and courteous. No criminal record. I don't have a temper and love animals ;)
I can speak, write and read fluently. What are my side effects of long term daily cannabis use?

now we know why you are so pro legalisation... that explains a lot.

PS> cannabis does kill people. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsrelatedtodrugpoisoningenglandandwalesreferencetable

table 6a for your reference... or do you need that on silver platter as well?

Edited By: mattsokolinski on Jan 30, 2017 13:47
#36
dougrobbins78
coys67
dougrobbins78
It could potentially save the NHS a lot especially in the long term
Pharmaceutical pain killers cost a lot more to manufacture and develop than a plant such as cannabis
But it's the more the fact, the side effects of pharmaceutical painkillers are so great and vast, the NHS will save by not having to treat the side effects and associated conditions of painkillers of which there are many
Cannabis is a very effective, zero side effect pain killer. If used without tobacco, it is harmless.
When ingested, even any harmful effects of smoking is removed
To say cannabis has zero side effects and is harmless is totally wrong, i very much doubt if the most strident pro-cannabis campaigners would make those claims.
Yes they would. What are the side effects?
I have been smoking daily for 17 years and have none. I had chronic asthma since birth. Hospitalised numerous times
I am no asthma medication whatsoever. I was on 2 inhalers previously (one a steroid inhaler!!) I do not use tobacco. It seems counterintuitive but Cannabis keeps my asthma symptoms at bay
I am a fully functioning, tax paying member of society. I am university educated. Worked in the city. Worked as a carer. Volunteer for charity. Have a girlfriend. Am polite and courteous. No criminal record. I don't have a temper and love animals ;)
I can speak, write and read fluently. What are my side effects of long term daily cannabis use?

Mental health problem are a widely accepted side effect of cannabis use, things like anxiety, depression, paranoia, hallucinations, it has also been found to increase the heart rate and have an effect on blood pressure that could be triggers for strokes or heart attacks, i have read articles suggesting memory problems as well both short and long term and also problems with pregnant women leading to growth problems with the baby.

Just because you feel fine doesn't mean it is not harming you and certainly does not mean its safe for others to use.
#37
ritchiedrama
brendanhickey
no, it would be abused by drug addicts... it works in the usa because they don't have a national health service, so the medical properties of cannabis are cost effective compared to offical western medicine. in the uk we have a national health service so we can get proper pain release drugs without it effecting any insurance premium.


Lol, I don't use any drugs but I can tell you're so clueless. It pains me to see opinions like this, based off nothing and the first thing you say is "it would be abused by drug addicts".



I did not say anyone who would use it would be a drug addict, I said the system would be a abused by drug addicts. if cannabis was legalised thousands of people would suddenly develop phantom pains that nerd urgent socialised medical cannabis... but you also said u don't take drugs so what do u know about addiction? how do you know I'm clueless? your the one making massive assumptions...
#38
dougrobbins78
Also Canada has a free Heath service such as the NHS and they've legalised for medicinal purposes without issue. Don't see why we couldn't manage it properly as well and prevent misuse
Interesting that both of the comments refer to 'drugs'
Are you a "drug user" if you drink alcohol? Lol
The stigma cannabis has is tremendous. It's called a drug and a weed. When In fact, its neither.
It's a herb. Herbal remedies are used worldwide and cannabis should simply be added to the list

Yeah, but (most parts of) Canada also doesn't have a ridiculously harmful societal attitude towards alcohol, unlike us, and there's no reason to suspect that cannabis (or any other 'drug') wouldn't be treated the same way. I personally support the legalisation of cannabis in principle, but we basically can't deal with alcohol being legal as it is.
#39
mattsokolinski
dougrobbins78
coys67
dougrobbins78
It could potentially save the NHS a lot especially in the long term
Pharmaceutical pain killers cost a lot more to manufacture and develop than a plant such as cannabis
But it's the more the fact, the side effects of pharmaceutical painkillers are so great and vast, the NHS will save by not having to treat the side effects and associated conditions of painkillers of which there are many
Cannabis is a very effective, zero side effect pain killer. If used without tobacco, it is harmless.
When ingested, even any harmful effects of smoking is removed
To say cannabis has zero side effects and is harmless is totally wrong, i very much doubt if the most strident pro-cannabis campaigners would make those claims.
Yes they would. What are the side effects?
I have been smoking daily for 17 years and have none. I had chronic asthma since birth. Hospitalised numerous times
I am no asthma medication whatsoever. I was on 2 inhalers previously (one a steroid inhaler!!) I do not use tobacco. It seems counterintuitive but Cannabis keeps my asthma symptoms at bay
I am a fully functioning, tax paying member of society. I am university educated. Worked in the city. Worked as a carer. Volunteer for charity. Have a girlfriend. Am polite and courteous. No criminal record. I don't have a temper and love animals ;)
I can speak, write and read fluently. What are my side effects of long term daily cannabis use?
now we know why you are so pro legalisation... that explains a lot.
PS> cannabis does kill people. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsrelatedtodrugpoisoningenglandandwalesreferencetable
table 6a for your reference... or do you need that on silver platter as well?


mattsokolinski
dougrobbins78
coys67
dougrobbins78
It could potentially save the NHS a lot especially in the long term
Pharmaceutical pain killers cost a lot more to manufacture and develop than a plant such as cannabis
But it's the more the fact, the side effects of pharmaceutical painkillers are so great and vast, the NHS will save by not having to treat the side effects and associated conditions of painkillers of which there are many
Cannabis is a very effective, zero side effect pain killer. If used without tobacco, it is harmless.
When ingested, even any harmful effects of smoking is removed
To say cannabis has zero side effects and is harmless is totally wrong, i very much doubt if the most strident pro-cannabis campaigners would make those claims.
Yes they would. What are the side effects?
I have been smoking daily for 17 years and have none. I had chronic asthma since birth. Hospitalised numerous times
I am no asthma medication whatsoever. I was on 2 inhalers previously (one a steroid inhaler!!) I do not use tobacco. It seems counterintuitive but Cannabis keeps my asthma symptoms at bay
I am a fully functioning, tax paying member of society. I am university educated. Worked in the city. Worked as a carer. Volunteer for charity. Have a girlfriend. Am polite and courteous. No criminal record. I don't have a temper and love animals ;)
I can speak, write and read fluently. What are my side effects of long term daily cannabis use?
now we know why you are so pro legalisation... that explains a lot.
PS> cannabis does kill people. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsrelatedtodrugpoisoningenglandandwalesreferencetable
table 6a for your reference... or do you need that on silver platter as well?

You seem irate. Just relax. I made it very clear in my OP that we're sharing thoughts. Not sparring back and forth trying to change others opinions. Which is futile in person, never mind over the Internet

Your evidence also supports my argument. It shows 21 deaths as a result of cannabis in 2015. 550+ deaths from paracetamol
1 Like #40
For everyone saying medicinal cannabis would be misused for non-medicinal purposes, opium based painkillers are and have always been available on the NHS to those in severe pain, the potential side effects of these if misused are way worse than for cannabis.

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