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Lets hope the Moderates win out in Northern Ireland

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If the young can shift the power to moderates then perhaps the rise in sectarianism might dissipate. https://www.ft.com/content/c8365112-ff51-11e6-8d8e-a5e3738f9ae4 Voters in Northern Ireland w… Read More
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1m, 4w agoPosted 1 month, 4 weeks ago
If the young can shift the power to moderates then perhaps the rise in sectarianism might dissipate.

https://www.ft.com/content/c8365112-ff51-11e6-8d8e-a5e3738f9ae4

Voters in Northern Ireland were at the ballot box on Thursday after an election campaign that highlighted the continuing orange-green dynamic in the region’s politics, to the exclusion of virtually everything else.

Some 1.25m people are eligible to vote in the second assembly election in less than a year. It was triggered after Sinn Fein, Northern Ireland’s second biggest political faction, walked out of the executive in January.

Sinn Fein and the Democratic Unionist party, the main voice of Ulster unionism, are expected once again to be the largest parties in the assembly, opinion polls suggest. They will then face the task of forming a new executive. But so deep are the divisions between them that many political leaders and pundits believe they will fail.

If that happens, Northern Ireland could see a return to direct rule from Westminster.
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#1
we are so moderate here, so mild , that we just sit around and flip on our smartphones
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The youth of Northern Ireland are young enough not to remember The Troubles...this election could switch power to moderates or even to direct Westminster rule - the media usually assume the status quo continues but Brexit and US election have shown that surprises may be in store.
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davewave
The youth of Northern Ireland are young enough not to remember The Troubles...this election could switch power to moderates or even to direct Westminster rule - the media usually assume the status quo continues but Brexit and US election have shown that surprises may be in store.
I admire your hope, Dave, and I hope you're right, but most are pointed from a very young age - much the same as 'blue for boys and pink for girls' - don't ever be fooled by the liberals belief that it's changed - or ever will change.

Whenever I visited I always found a population entrenched in nonsense and suspicion.
Alas, recent encounters have not altered my impressions.

Expect same old same old. :(
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tryn2help
davewave
The youth of Northern Ireland are young enough not to remember The Troubles...this election could switch power to moderates or even to direct Westminster rule - the media usually assume the status quo continues but Brexit and US election have shown that surprises may be in store.
I admire your hope, Dave, and I hope you're right, but most are pointed from a very young age - much the same as 'blue for boys and pink for girls' - don't ever be fooled by the liberals belief that it's changed - or ever will change.
Whenever I visited I always found a population entrenched in nonsense and suspicion.
Alas, recent encounters have not altered my impressions.
Expect same old same old. :(
Well I agree with all of that except your use of the word liberal like it is somehow a dirty word
surely this is a case in point the alternative rule at the end of gun
#5
tryn2help
davewave
The youth of Northern Ireland are young enough not to remember The Troubles...this election could switch power to moderates or even to direct Westminster rule - the media usually assume the status quo continues but Brexit and US election have shown that surprises may be in store.
I admire your hope, Dave, and I hope you're right, but most are pointed from a very young age - much the same as 'blue for boys and pink for girls' - don't ever be fooled by the liberals belief that it's changed - or ever will change.
Whenever I visited I always found a population entrenched in nonsense and suspicion.
Alas, recent encounters have not altered my impressions.
Expect same old same old. :(
I lived in NI for 5 years that's simply not true, the bigots are the exception now, they're a tiny minority.
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thewongwing101
Well I agree with all of that except your use of the word liberal like it is somehow a dirty word
surely this is a case in point the alternative rule at the end of gun
I'm sorry it came across that way, it certainly was not my intention, and I would just like to make clear that I do not regard the word 'liberal' as being a 'dirty word' - or indeed that liberals are 'dirty'.

What I was referring to was the trait commonly witnessed in all politicians (but in this instance probably of liberal-minded persons) of the use of the 'the self-fulfilling prophesy' as a tool to realise their desires.


I only referred to it to bring Dave back down to Earth. lest he should get caught up in wishful thinking which bore no resemblance to the harsh reality of that deeply divided place.
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Rom
tryn2help
davewave
The youth of Northern Ireland are young enough not to remember The Troubles...this election could switch power to moderates or even to direct Westminster rule - the media usually assume the status quo continues but Brexit and US election have shown that surprises may be in store.
I admire your hope, Dave, and I hope you're right, but most are pointed from a very young age - much the same as 'blue for boys and pink for girls' - don't ever be fooled by the liberals belief that it's changed - or ever will change.
Whenever I visited I always found a population entrenched in nonsense and suspicion.
Alas, recent encounters have not altered my impressions.
Expect same old same old. :(
I lived in NI for 5 years that's simply not true, the bigots are the exception now, they're a tiny minority.
I do hope you're right and I'm wrong.

It's been over ten years since I've been in NI, but I still meet with a lot of peeps from NI (nats and unis) and I form my opinions from listening to them, and also the way they behave towards each other when in the same room.

Obviously, I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush, and I accept there may be some somewhere who are entirely devoid of any form of suspicion towards the other, it's just that I haven't met any like that - yet.
#8
Anyway looks like turnout is up nearly 10%
Sinn Fein reckon that is good for them
#9
Vote for sinn Fein.
#10
tryn2help
Rom
tryn2help
davewave
The youth of Northern Ireland are young enough not to remember The Troubles...this election could switch power to moderates or even to direct Westminster rule - the media usually assume the status quo continues but Brexit and US election have shown that surprises may be in store.
I admire your hope, Dave, and I hope you're right, but most are pointed from a very young age - much the same as 'blue for boys and pink for girls' - don't ever be fooled by the liberals belief that it's changed - or ever will change.
Whenever I visited I always found a population entrenched in nonsense and suspicion.
Alas, recent encounters have not altered my impressions.
Expect same old same old. :(
I lived in NI for 5 years that's simply not true, the bigots are the exception now, they're a tiny minority.
I do hope you're right and I'm wrong.
It's been over ten years since I've been in NI, but I still meet with a lot of peeps from NI (nats and unis) and I form my opinions from listening to them, and also the way they behave towards each other when in the same room.
Obviously, I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush, and I accept there may be some somewhere who are entirely devoid of any form of suspicion towards the other, it's just that I haven't met any like that - yet.
I think the younger generations aren't really interested in sectarianism, I'm sure some parents still bring up their children to hate but hopefully that'll dwindle further over the years
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Rom
I think the younger generations aren't really interested in sectarianism, I'm sure some parents still bring up their children to hate but hopefully that'll dwindle further over the years
There's always been a belief in *liberal thinking that we can change the way a nation thinks and forms a 'worldview' by changing the way the children think via the tools of tv, books, schools, laws, etc.

Whilst there's a lot of evidence it can work the biggest stumbling block is closed communities wherein parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, in-laws, neighbours etc all enforce the way of the community over and above tv, books, schools, laws, etc.

*Not only liberal, ANY ideology/religion, etc.

Edited By: tryn2help on Mar 03, 2017 13:31: i
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After 18 results... SF: 9 seats, 26.9% vote share (+4.2) DUP: 6, 27.6% (-1.2) ALLI: 2, 9.8% (+2.1) UUP: 1, 12.4% (+0.5)

It is like Groundhog day but less exciting
#13
We had a poll for this conducted last weekend
DUP 26.3%(-2.9), Sinn Fein 25.3%(+1.3), UUP 13.9%(+1.3), SDLP 12.2%(+0.2), Alliance 9.5%(+2.4), TUV 4.4%(+1), GRN 3.4%(+0.7)

results page here
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2017/mar/03/northern-ireland-assembly-election-latest-results

Edited By: thewongwing101 on Mar 03, 2017 18:58
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Poor old SDLP result getting even worse
#15
The new assembly will meet in the next few days and the DUP and Sinn Féin will then have three weeks to form a new executive. If they fail to do so, James Brokenshire, the secretary of state, could call a new election — or the region could face a return to direct rule from Westminster.
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Time to march? :D
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alltaken123
Time to march? :D


ha ha...marching in Northern Ireland, controversial.

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