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Local Police force a complete joke.

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[mod] 9y, 3m agoPosted 9 years, 3 months ago
Read this http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/Raid-victims-told-off-by.3141218.jp STORY in my local paper last night.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny. And they wonder why this country is falling apart. :roll:
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[mod] 9y, 3m agoPosted 9 years, 3 months ago
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[admin]#1
Gets worse and worse, doesn't it? :giggle:
#2
What a joke. :x
#3
Just what you expect from the Police now, I hope their bacon butties did not get too cold on the first call out.

No matter how good some cops are (and there are some) they are always held back from doing their job properly by others or the book.

Ah well I am glad there was a happy ending to this story, at least the raiders got away with all that money and little chance of SOCO finding anything, because the raid was not taken seriously :giggle: :giggle:
#4
I live opposite a police station.
It's one of those ones that is only open at business hours.
But check this, it has a phone outside the door that says "NOT for emergencies"

LOL - yes it fudging is for emergencies!

Thank god for the local vigilante group ;)

Shima
banned#5
Police are terrible atm, if you call them you are put on hold for an absolute age (this has happened to me 3 times recently for over half and hour each time). If a toddler dials them when playing with the phone (in the case of my nephew when age 3), a police car was round within 15 minutes having a go at my brother.
#6
Lol thats pathetic. I don't believe in tellings off and how the police enforcement work in this day and age.
#7
i can guarantee that at the scene those officers would have done all they could. police get lots of false activations to these, but the alarm company themselves dont look like they've been helpful but where's their slating? if they smashed the door in and it was a false alarm then the police would have to pick up the bill for their actions. trouble is with these situations, people are very quick to jump on the bandwagon. it isnt helped that it isnt very.publicised when police do something good!
banned#8
People can only judge the police by their own experiences. Any time I have needed to call them out, by the time I have got through and if they eventually come out, it is too late to do anything.

This pretty much sums up most peoples experiences as far as I am aware.

Not blaming the policemen, its just the systems they have to work within.
#9
I had a radio stolen from my car and reported it. I asked what would be done and was told 'Not a lot we can do i'm afraid'. WTF?
What good are they? If i'd failed to pay my taxes, i'm sure they would have done something about it! One law for the state, another for the average person.
#10
if you had a stereo nicked, then it should be investigated. did someone come out and fingerprint the car? if there's no cctv or any witnesses then what else can they do?
#11
Scribbles
I had a radio stolen from my car and reported it. I asked what would be done and was told 'Not a lot we can do i'm afraid'. WTF?
What good are they? If i'd failed to pay my taxes, i'm sure they would have done something about it! One law for the state, another for the average person.


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banned#12
I had my door kicked in at 4 in the morning once by a drunk. He was so drunk he waited while I called the police. He had the cheek to ask for a fag. They took ages to come, then were going to let him off. I said I wanted to take it further as I had to pay for new locks and although he was harmless, I might not have been so lucky.

They just couldn't be bothered and I had to insist they take it further. It went to court in the end and he had to pay my costs.

They basically think there is nothing wrong with kicking down a front door of a young lady.
#13
Matt Davidson
if you had a stereo nicked, then it should be investigated. did someone come out and fingerprint the car? if there's no cctv or any witnesses then what else can they do?


I had my car broken into. The police station is at the end of my road. About a 1 minute walk. Did they fingerprint the car? Did they even come and have a look at it? Did they ****!
#14
trouble is the police are totally stretched to a rediculous level. we have seen shift strength fall from 24 to 10 officers. it means that the officers are now running with a massive workload of existing crimes which means its impossible to give a good.quality of service AND deal with all the stuff thats happening at the time. this is why people have their gripes with police. officers have a seriously hard and dangerous job and do the best job they can. there is some really good work that is done, but funnily enough the press arent interested in that. how about we support our police instead of making their job harder?
#15
Ian182
I had my car broken into. The police station is at the end of my road. About a 1 minute walk. Did they fingerprint the car? Did they even come and have a look at it? Did they ****!


mate, that should have been done. depends on the circs. if its a smash and grab they'll be nothing to examine. if its something a little more tecnical then that it should have been done. if they thought there would be any benefit then it should be done. the way the police work now is to have civillian teams of people looking at some of these crimes which means (in theory) police can spend more timekeeping patrolling. there is often nothing more that can be done than whats already been done over the phone. it means that you may not speak directly to an officer but the crime will still be investigated.
#16
Matt Davidson
mate, that should have been done. depends on the circs. if its a smash and grab they'll be nothing to examine. if its something a little more tecnical then that it should have been done. if they thought there would be any benefit then it should be done. the way the police work now is to have civillian teams of people looking at some of these crimes which means (in theory) police can spend more timekeeping patrolling. there is often nothing more that can be done than whats already been done over the phone. it means that you may not speak directly to an officer but the crime will still be investigated.


I agree that the police have a tough job, and the circumstances they have to work in dont make it any easier. And to be fair, I dont really have a gripe with the police.

I am just a bit annoyed that all i got was a crime number, and some generic letter a few weeks after the event.

A window of my car was smashed, and the thieves went through the whole of the car. Glove compartment, seat pockets, door pockets, even went through the boot and nicked my tennis bag and a couple of dvds. Their fingerprints must have been all over that car.
#17
It is just easier for the insurance company to pay out than spend time and money and resources on taking these little thugs to court for a ticking off. We all know the score but we expect more :whistling:
#18
There was an episode of a comedy(sick at times) called Monkey Dust where a woman had her house broken into and police came round and a burglar was hiding behind a curtain and police went "theres nothing we can do" and woman had her car keys stolen but the robber was stuck in traffic outside her house police said "theres nothing we can do"

Check youtube on Monkey Dust I will see what I can do.
#19
Ian182
I agree that the police have a tough job, and the circumstances they have to work in dont make it any easier. And to be fair, I dont really have a gripe with the police.

I am just a bit annoyed that all i got was a crime number, and some generic letter a few weeks after the event.

A window of my car was smashed, and the thieves went through the whole of the car. Glove compartment, seat pockets, door pockets, even went through the boot and nicked my tennis bag and a couple of dvds. Their fingerprints must have been all over that car.


in that situation it should have been done imho. my wife's car suffered a similar fate and we had the scenes of crime officer was found first thing inus the morning. the trouble is that the police take these people to court who basically do nothing. let me give you an example:-
man who has 17 previous convictions for disqualified driving and currently on a ban. police arrest him after leading them on a 20 minute car chase which ends when he crashes. he was disqual until test passed and had no insurance. punishment? 6 month ban. no separate penalty for the failing stop or no insurance. the courts send out a great messag sometimes. :roll: :x
#20
I think alot of crime is starting to become "incorporated"

Most financial/mobile stuff will be passed by police off to the companies fraud offices, and any crime where chances of catching someone is so low and the cost of possibly trying immense, again passed off to insurance, breaking a window and stealing a stereo is a good example leaving it to car insurance to deal with it etc.

How long I wonder until alot of low level low collar crime/criminal damage cases will have 999/police lines forwarding you to your insurance call centre?
#21
Just nick someone elses stereo, It just creates a chain reaction effect..........
#22
Iom-RF
Just nick someone elses stereo, It just creates a chain reaction effect..........


1987: Couldn't agree more, start of a snowball on a mountain, let 1 thing pass, it'll grow out of control, sort it out now, real jail is the only real deterrent, zero tolerance if possible...

2007:
Now now, it might be his 1st offence, he could be traumatised, come from a troubled home, his hand might be hurt, the car owner should be sued for having such sharp car windows... the thief is the victim in all this...

Isn't modern societies softly softly approach to criminals wonderful?
#23
schizoboy
Isn't modern societies softly softly approach to criminals wonderful?


trust me that IS NOT how police want these people dealt with.

i spoke to a young lad the other day who.wasnt going on holiday with the rest of his family to spain. turns out he was scared of the foreign police and the legal system out there that he'd be better off here! sums it up that! :roll:
#24
I also reported some boy racer that almost knocked me off of Chelmsford Parkway at >70mph (40 limit). I had the reg no and everything.
I popped into HQ and they just didn't seem bothered. No report or nothing.
It was as if my word was not good enough, and there was no proof. Would my dead limbs on the grass verge be enough proof? I sometimes wonder what the point is of being pro-active with this stuff.
I got smacked in the rear of my company car a couple of years ago by a guy on a mobile. Witnesses and everything. They refused to attend as the road was not blocked. Joke I tell you.
I do sympathise with the police's workload. It's symptomatic of the system as a whole, that criminals can just get away with it. It's almost a lawless society for anyone who wants to commit petty crime.
#25
I think it even frustrates the police men/women though, They see all the crime for <16 year olds and can't do anything about it!!

Its not there fault but the stupid laws....
#26
Iom-RF
I think it even frustrates the police men/women though, They see all the crime for <16 year olds and can't do anything about it!!

Its not there fault but the stupid laws....




your so spot on there, !!! SO SPOT ON!
Untill we get laws changed then punichments will never fit the crime.
#27
Scribbles, guy on another site I'm on had the same trouble... got knocked over on his motorbike and broke his arm. The car disappeared. I believe he had the reg number but the police said they weren't going to follow it up.

My dad's people mover got hit in the back about 10 years ago with six of us riding inside and the driver drove off. We got the registration number and he went straight to the local police station. Because my dad's car was much bigger there was no damage at all so the police wanted to breathalise him because they thought he was drunk and imagined it. A month later they sent a letter saying that they couldn't track down the car so no further action would be taken against my dad!!

Another time... someone undertook my brother on the motorway at 80mph and deliberately swiped the left-hand side of his bonnet... he had the registration too but when the police looked it up they said they couldn't do anything about it because it was a company car.

My next door neighbour has a car parked outside his house, it's all smashed at the front, has no tax and no insurance. If I left my car there with no tax or insurance then it'll be towed away!! I've even reported it to the DVLA and to make matters worse police come to this house ALL THE TIME because he has arguments with his wife... some weeks the police have been here every nigth and when they do arrive it's often two cars and a van, and often an ambulance too. They never do anything there, and I even told the police about the car twice and they had a look at it and nothing's been done... STILL.

I'd rant about how if you try to stick to the law you get caught out and if you totally disregard it you get away with everything, but that's really a hot enough topic for a thread of its own!!

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#28
Matt Davidson
trouble is the police are totally stretched to a rediculous level. we have seen shift strength fall from 24 to 10 officers. it means that the officers are now running with a massive workload of existing crimes which means its impossible to give a good.quality of service AND deal with all the stuff thats happening at the time. this is why people have their gripes with police. officers have a seriously hard and dangerous job and do the best job they can. there is some really good work that is done, but funnily enough the press arent interested in that. how about we support our police instead of making their job harder?


Absolutely, the officers on the ground do the best job they can in the circumstances.
I work on the railway and one Saturday night I was talking to a BTP officer who said he was the ONLY officer on duty for kent AND sussex - and to top it off he was a special!
It's not his fault, but he's the one who'll take the flak when something kicks off and he can't get there.
Too much money is wasted on "civilian support staff" and managers. The sad fact is that policing nowdays is a numbers game and not catching the scumbags.
Thats without even starting on the CPS and court system!
I have real sympathy for the officer in the ground, who in my experience genuinely wants to make a difference, but the system is not set up to actually catch and deal with offenders - it is set up to keep the crime figures right, with the right number of detections but without the messy business of actually convicting someone.
#29
I actualy saw 2 police officers patroling around my neigbourhood the other day turns out they were what is known around here as Plastic Police :whistling: This was around 2.00pm in the afternoon. No sign of them at 2.00 am in the morning when the "little darlings" from the housing association site down the road run up my street and kick about 10 wing mirrors of the cars parked outside the houses. Damage caused approx £200 each wing mirror! When reported to police next day was asked "did you see them?" I regulary sit in my front room window at 2 am and watch my car :x
#30
and why is it....your neighbours house is getting robbed,so you ring the police,,,then they come tearing down the road all lights and sirens at 3am,,,,,the whole idea of phoning them is in the hope that they might catch them red handed,,,,,,,,if you wanted to scare them away iam sure we could think of something,,,,,,,to much time spent on trying to catch drivers doing 35 in a 30 zone,,,and not enough time on real crime,,,it pathetic this country,and the hoody culture is all the parents fault,if i know any of my offspring are doing wrong,id give them a good f*****g slap,,,,but what would happen the police come in with the social servicses and i get repremanded,or jailed,and belive me the above sentence is true as it allready happened to me,,,,,how are the parents supposed to know what they are doing most of the time,and when u ask ,they lie to ur face,,,i was petrified of my father,and i had many a slap of him,99% of the time i deserved it,and i hated him for it,but i look back now and know it was right,,,,now a days your not allowed to give kids any punishment and when u do they just laugh,then when ur backs turned nick a tenner out of you wallet,,,,crist i even had the cane in high school 3 times,,,,wats it now your doing detention in the computer room ( were you can spend an hour on the pc,slagging people off on facebook)........its laughable and its not just the police,,,,in the next 10 years or so this country will be impossible to live in,if its not allready
#31
I remember when I was about 12 or13 playing football in the street with about 15 to 20 other kids and the local bobby turning up as someone complained about the noise. As he was giving usa quiet bo**iking one of the other lads said something and the bobby turned round and gave me a clip roundthe ear (as I was the closest), when I went home with a bright red ear my old man asked what happened, I toldhim and he gave me another one saying "if a copper hit you you were doing somthing you shouldn't. I have remembered those two thick ears for 37 years :thumbsup:
banned#32
i would give you my thoughts on whats its really like.. but I think the service has been judged and charged so I wont bother :x
[admin] 1 Like #33
In your defence DC, I think the force is overstretched and that younger generations don't have the same fear and respect of the law as they did years ago... even going back ten years, when I was a teenager, if a group of us were loitering and a police officer told us to move on, we did! we were terrified at the prospect of getting in trouble with the police.... now youths aren't afraid of the consequences of getting in trouble with the police, their parents don't know or care where they are, and what's the worst thing that'll happen? A few weeks at her majesties pleasure, in a cushty cell with a PS3 and early release due to overcrowding?...
#34
heres my view on police

a couple of years ago there was some local kids (well 18-20 yr olds) out the front of our our house they are well known for drink and drugs they started throwing beer cans and bits of tree at my mom and dads windows, my dad went out threre to tell them to F off but the oldest and biggest one pulled out a knife while the others all jeered him on.
my mom told me to go and ring the police.

after a while someone answered the phone and asked what the problem was and all other dozy questions and just said to get the police to my address cause my dads gonna get stabbed

well anyway when the police arrived they drove so slowly up the road with the noise going and lights flashing they all ran off

then was told basically theres nothing we can do great
banned#35
Its stems from the top down, plus there are other factors which I could drone on about all day, which are sucking the life blood out of the majority of hard working dedicated officer up and down the country.

The pre occupation of employing certain other types of police helpers.. is not the answer and they for their endevours are not what the majority of people want, its Police Officers who should be at the front line, and if there was more dedicated units to take on all the paperwork, perhaps we could spend more time on the beat..

But all we get is the bad press about how things go wrong and why didnt we do this or do that or targetting speeding cars.. yes I know we are not perfect... and have learn by mistakes we have made in the past, but highlighting all the things that go wrong gets tedious after a while.. but anything positve the service has done is not front page news and so not worthy of having another dig
[mod]#36
:oops: I thought my post was worthy of front page news though as it was quite unbelievable.
banned#37
I am sure it is, but if I had attended and found the place secure as its seems in the article.. first thought is false activation.. so... next

The police asked for a key holder to attend... from the Alarm company " keyholders are not sent in this situation" well for a panic alarm I think they should be ...

The police check the outside of the property and all seemed in order

So where does that leave us .. No key holder being sent ..
Property secure and we dont carry keys and if we forced entry on every time there would be a massive bill..

also... The alarm company knew the panic alarm went off 4 times , and failed to tell the police that it had gone off 4 times

So from my perspective the finger of blame can be shifted somewhat ...

and if we had got the full facts I am sure a forced entry would have been authorised..

But yet the press write the story in such a way to may the police look poor.. did they show the alarm company in a bad light ??? errrrrrrrrr NO that doesnt sell papers
[mod]#38
True. :-D
banned#39
now .... sell me your N95 at the rush :-D
#40
Some good points raised here.....:thumbsup:

As for Sy's pub, the cops should have done what the Yanks would have done, blown it up and then said any deaths were due to friendly fire :w00t:

I think the police need to listen more and, more importantly need to speak out and say why they can't do things, then we might understand the problems (after all WE pay their wages). I only pay about £10 'poll tax' a year to the local police, I would be happy to pay that a month. The insurance companies should contribute something towards the police to keep properties safe. I have no problems paying for services I use. I even give to the RNLI in case I need them one day but they can use my money for others as well.

There needs to be a copper in every estate 24 hours a day and a car running around as well, look at what they do in the states, they take the car to the local Londis for a pint of milk, so what? THE CAR IS SEEN. And of course there are never enough cops around, so how come they could find 100 cops for the murder of little Rhys Jones at the drop of a hat, a 100 officers :w00t: Were they hiding in the cupboards :giggle:

More visible policing = security and assurance for the 99.9% of us that want it. I am involved with a LAT and we hear the same thing every month, from both sides :whistling:

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