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. Advice needed for concrete base for a 4.19m x 4.19m log cabin, along with suitable useage and what would be needed to lengthen the useage into spring and maybe winter! Cabin is now up and … Read More
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banned6y, 11m agoPosted 6 years, 11 months ago
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Advice needed for concrete base for a 4.19m x 4.19m log cabin, along with suitable useage and what would be needed to lengthen the useage into spring and maybe winter!

Cabin is now up and is built from 34mm logs.




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banned6y, 11m agoPosted 6 years, 11 months ago
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banned#1
http://www.jollycabins.co.uk/images/product/5mx5m_large.jpg

5m x 5m


http://dhlogcabins.co.uk/images_db/eeecc90471126de5a787e5dcea7891db.jpg

5m x 3m


And it will be used for a play den for the kids and storage when necessary.
banned#2
flippin eck you could get a few lodgers in that
banned#3
sassie
flippin eck you could get a few lodgers in that


Well I was expecting someone to make a comment about their "property portfolio"! :w00t:

To be fair though, it will come in pretty handy and could be used in the summer for that purpose if needbe. That said, its to get the kids out the house and make a mess elsewhere!
banned#4
its very nice, we have a small one for the kids to play in, and doubles up in the winter for garden furniture
#5
Concrete is about £100 per cubic meter.
#6
My Mum's partner has one about that size and he did it all himself, foundations and all. He's not a builder or even in that sort of career so it must be relatively easy!
banned#7
sassie
its very nice, we have a small one for the kids to play in, and doubles up in the winter for garden furniture


LOL... When I mentioned storage... I was talking about putting our 3 peice suite in it and dining table etc for when the living room and dining room gets decorated!

moob
Concrete is about £100 per cubic meter.


Hmm OK...

So..... 6" = 15cm

So that depth will give me 6m By my reckoning I'll need 5 times that! So £500?

Sounds expensive! Is this ready mixed concrete?

I've got a mixer here!
banned#8
baffledsalmon
My Mum's partner has one about that size and he did it all himself, foundations and all. He's not a builder or even in that sort of career so it must be relatively easy!


Excellent. Any chance you could ask hime how long it took him to do the foundations and rough cost? Was it recent?

Just had a quote from one of those jobs websites of 5x5-£600-700 and 5x3-£500-600
banned#9
theres all the soil to dig out, a few tonnes there to get rid of
digging down to a good base, and making up the concrete

cheapest is to hire a skip, dig it out, and pour the concrete, buying a mixer and selling it after (not hiring)

at a depth of 20cm (if the ground is good) thats 5 cubic meteres, so about £500 of concrete (ready mixed bit extra, worse if they have to pump it in due to access)

that is about 5 tons of soil by the way
banned#10
jubbyme
theres all the soil to dig out, a few tonnes there to get rid of
digging down to a good base, and making up the concrete

cheapest is to hire a skip, dig it out, and pour the concrete, buying a mixer and selling it after (not hiring)

at a depth of 20cm (if the ground is good) thats 5 cubic meteres, so about £500 of concrete (ready mixed bit extra, worse if they have to pump it in due to access)


Does it actually need to be dug? I was just going to use shuttering boards and pour it in. I'm not bothered that it means it'd be exposed (especially as it would be beneficial for water penetration.)
#11
It needs to be dug imo.

Can't you dig it and then have the cement delivered and they pour it straight in? I'm sure there are companies that will do this.
banned#12
guv
Does it actually need to be dug? I was just going to use shuttering boards and pour it in. I'm not bothered that it means it'd be exposed (especially as it would be beneficial for water penetration.)


yep, have to dig, or it will crack and subside, yes, you also want it above the surface too for better drainage
banned#13
jtx
It needs to be dug imo.

Can't you dig it and then have the cement delivered and they pour it straight in? I'm sure there are companies that will do this.


There are, but bloddy expensive way to do it!

jubbyme
yep, have to dig, or it will crack and subside, yes, you also want it above the surface too for better drainage


OK ta. So I need to add a skip into the equation!
banned#14
moob;8566269
Concrete is about £100 per cubic meter.

try £70 Lefarge!
#15
guv
Excellent. Any chance you could ask hime how long it took him to do the foundations and rough cost? Was it recent?

Just had a quote from one of those jobs websites of 5x5-£600-700 and 5x3-£500-600


It was recent, about a month ago! I would ask, but I don't live with them! Next time I speak to my Mum I'll try and remember to ask! From memory, I'm pretty sure he built the whole thing from scratch (ie made the shelf himself) but I have no idea how much it cost!
banned#16
baffledsalmon;8566525
It was recent, about a month ago! I would ask, but I don't live with them! Next time I speak to my Mum I'll try and remember to ask! From memory, I'm pretty sure he built the whole thing from scratch (ie made the shelf himself) but I have no idea how much it cost!

hire a 7 1/2 tonner for a day and uplift from plant guv.
banned#17
RFC
hire a 7 1/2 tonner for a day and uplift from plant guv.


uplift from plant ?

I cant use a digger if this is what you mean? (Access is only 4' wide.)
#18
i used a barrowmix company and it cose £700 for a standard garage base 10 x 20 foot
plus the labour
banned#19
raptorcigs
i used a barrowmix company and it cose £700 for a standard garage base 10 x 20 foot
plus the labour


Cheers Rappy. I'd imagine for a garage it would have been deeper than 6" ?
#20
hi OP.

i had a timber lodge built by company called Oakenclough based up here in North West. They do installs all over the country & id recommend them. they do custom built ones to your likeing.

mine is 6m x 3m with a partition for a shed. we dug about 15cm deep for the base. this took up 1.5 full size skips (7 ton). to fill it with concrete it cost me £370. any ?'s ask away

see pics

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/lanc_red/DSC00089.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/lanc_red/DSC00094.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/lanc_red/DSC00098.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/lanc_red/DSC00101.jpg
banned#21
lanc_red
i had a timber lodge built by company called Oakenclough based up here in North West. They do installs all over the country & id recommend them. they do custom built ones to your likeing.

mine is 6m x 3m with a partition for a shed. we dug about 15cm deep for the base. this took up 1.5 full size skips (7 ton). to fill it with concrete it cost me £370. any ?'s ask away


Cheers.

I just had a look on their site. Look good, though seem pricey? They dont do this far sarf by the look of things!

the pics are confusing. Is the third picture concrete - with the boards for the extents in the distance! Whats that in the bottom photo on the concrete?

OK... so you used a digger to dig out. Is the level of the concrete below the surrounding soil?

The £370... was that with you mixing?
#22
this is a good site Paving Expert-concrete hardstandings there is a calculator on the page that calculates the quantity of concrete required for a rectangular area, we had to get rid of tonnes of top soil after our extension was built, we used a guy with a tipper truck & a grabber, came round and lifted the whole lot, no need for skips.
#23
guv
Cheers.

I just had a look on their site. Look good, though seem pricey? They dont do this far sarf by the look of things!

the pics are confusing. Is the third picture concrete - with the boards for the extents in the distance! Whats that in the bottom photo on the concrete?

OK... so you used a digger to dig out. Is the level of the concrete below the surrounding soil?

The £370... was that with you mixing?


yeh they are pricey but you get what u pay for in my opinion. i'l get a pic up of ours. depends on your spec really.

3rd pic is it all dug out with shuttering around. we used an existing part of our old garage base hence the little bit of concrete you can see. in total we used around 2.6 cubic meters of conrete. the company we used had 2 lads barrow it in for us. we just had to spread it out & level it off (tamping).

we used the exisiting base as a guide for the height. its slightly above the current soil level. if that makes sense.
banned#24
lanc_red
yeh they are pricey but you get what u pay for in my opinion. i'l get a pic up of ours. depends on your spec really.

3rd pic is it all dug out with shuttering around. we used an existing part of our old garage base hence the little bit of concrete you can see. in total we used around 2.6 cubic meters of conrete. the company we used had 2 lads barrow it in for us. we just had to spread it out & level it off (tamping).

we used the exisiting base as a guide for the height. its slightly above the current soil level. if that makes sense.


Yeh, it all makes sense. Just didnt get the concrete in the photo... it confused me. (Easily done!)

Did you not have loads of hard core in there too? So the concrete was supplied ready made up and brought in from the road?

What I had in mind to do, was get a skip with hard core, barrow that through, dig and fill skip with soil. Add Hard core to hole. Mix cement in my mixer and poor. (Sounds so simple when you say it that way!)
banned#25
richp
this is a good site Paving Expert-concrete hardstandings there is a calculator on the page that calculates the quantity of concrete required for a rectangular area, we had to get rid of tonnes of top soil after our extension was built, we used a guy with a tipper truck & a grabber, came round and lifted the whole lot, no need for skips.


Cheers for that. Seems I need 3.75m for 5m x 5m x 15cm (I wonder how they work out the hard core amounts!)

Cant get a tipper and digger as there is no access to the rear thats large enough.

So that quote from the Polish guy for £600 - £700 sounds quite reasonable then! (Strangely he never mentioned skips or hard core - but did say it included materials!)
#26
guv
Yeh, it all makes sense. Just didnt get the concrete in the photo... it confused me. (Easily done!)

Did you not have loads of hard core in there too? So the concrete was supplied ready made up and brought in from the road?

What I had in mind to do, was get a skip with hard core, barrow that through, dig and fill skip with soil. Add Hard core to hole. Mix cement in my mixer and poor. (Sounds so simple when you say it that way!)


no didnt have any hardcore in there. prob would make it cheaper for you cos less concrete then. concrete was ready made and like i said they just poured it off the wagon & barrowed it in. took em about 20 mins!! mad how quick they chucked it in.

good luck with your effort!! i hired a digger & small dumper for weekend. had a mate with me doin most of the digging cos he knew how to control it, i just dumped it all in the skip. felt like bob the builder for a weekend!!

still the rewards are class. ive got my own MAN SHED inc, tv, proper dart oche & office. plus little shed. roll on 4 weeks for the WC & a possible relationship seperation!!

gis a shiout if u need advice...
banned#27
lanc_red
no didnt have any hardcore in there. prob would make it cheaper for you cos less concrete then. concrete was ready made and like i said they just poured it off the wagon & barrowed it in. took em about 20 mins!! mad how quick they chucked it in.

good luck with your effort!! i hired a digger & small dumper for weekend. had a mate with me doin most of the digging cos he knew how to control it, i just dumped it all in the skip. felt like bob the builder for a weekend!!

still the rewards are class. ive got my own MAN SHED inc, tv, proper dart oche & office. plus little shed. roll on 4 weeks for the WC & a possible relationship seperation!!

gis a shiout if u need advice...


Christ! I'd be well happy if I got all that done in a weekend! Must admit, I thought hard core is a must!

So how much did the 16x10 cost you from this company? Does it keep the cold out in the winter (and the damp!) And whilst its use will be as Ive said, in the Summer months, I'm sure the kids would love some sleepovers in it!
banned#28
Hard Core Cherly Cole

Yerrrrrr

Good Times
#29
get the gippos in guv
banned#30
numptyj
get the gippos in guv


And they are certianly mooching this area!

Cant believe last weekend, I ripped out our old dishwasher and installed another. (It was a freebie from my Sister).

Anyway, the missus moaned the new one didnt have a cutlery tray in it, so I went out ot get the old one back. Seduce my medieval footware. I'd only put it out 15 minutes before and the Chav's had it away!

Lovely people! (Though it was left where it was 'cos we knew it would go!)
#31
guv
Christ! I'd be well happy if I got all that done in a weekend! Must admit, I thought hard core is a must!

So how much did the 16x10 cost you from this company? Does it keep the cold out in the winter (and the damp!) And whilst its use will be as Ive said, in the Summer months, I'm sure the kids would love some sleepovers in it!


u ready....!! 6.5k. basically would have been a little cheaper if didnt get the double galzing etc. we went for sliding patio type doors. we also went for a better roofing felt.

I insulated it myself using loft insualtion then tongue and grooved it. bought this from same company for about £150 to do the whole inside. i put electric in there and got a 2kw heater. takes abiut 20 mins to heat up but its like a sauna then. obviously now with it being warmer i dont need that on. does get proper hot in there.

the heater has a frost protection setting on it so it stays @ an ambient temp during winter. im hoping to at least get 15-20 years out of it. Oakenclough said as long as its looked after then should have no probs.

welcome to MAN SHED world!! you know you want one!!

heres ours, but ignore all the junk in front of it. this was just after it had been put up.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/lanc_red/DSC00107.jpg
banned#32
lanc_red


welcome to MAN SHED world!! you know you want one!!



It does look good... but then it has gold plated taps and marble halls for £6.5K

The ones I'm looking at are £2k and £1.8K

How tall is it BTW? Not over 2.5m I hope (Or you'll have to take it down!) :w00t:
#33
guv
It does look good... but then it has gold plated taps and marble halls for £6.5K

The ones I'm looking at are £2k and £1.8K

How tall is it BTW? Not over 2.5m I hope (Or you'll have to take it down!) :w00t:


yeh!! something that you prob dont have to have but i got the 38mm log. obviously thicker to be a little warmer etc. i was happy with the price as we were gonna get a conservatory to basically do the same thing but this was gonna be around 12k.

no height is under that!! next door but one has one from same company so if ours goes so does theres & the neighbour oppo and him 3 down...!!! they have been in0undated with installs on our street!!
banned#34
lanc_red
yeh!! something that you prob dont have to have but i got the 38mm log. obviously thicker to be a little warmer etc. i was happy with the price as we were gonna get a conservatory to basically do the same thing but this was gonna be around 12k.

no height is under that!! next door but one has one from same company so if ours goes so does theres & the neighbour oppo and him 3 down...!!! they have been in0undated with installs on our street!!


Haha.... hope you got commision!

The 2K one I mentioned above is 44mm
#35
just checked the 2k one. id get the shingles as its looks nicer an offers more protection. are you gonna install yourself? cos thats 650 on there!! 2k now = 3k
banned#36
lanc_red
just checked the 2k one. id get the shingles as its looks nicer an offers more protection. are you gonna install yourself? cos thats 650 on there!! 2k now = 3k


I built our 12'x10' shed from scratch, so I'd hope this one should be straight forward enough for me and a mate or two to do!
#37
guv
I built our 12'x10' shed from scratch, so I'd hope this one should be straight forward enough for me and a mate or two to do!


laffing then. get it bought!!
banned#38
lanc_red
laffing then. get it bought!!


haha.... just weighing up the costs ATM. If the base was only the £370 you paid, It'd already be ordered. As it stands its 90% certain i'll order.

When you were looking, did you look at the B&Q ones? I ask, 'cos I'm certain they often have sales with them..... and from May 1st, I got a 20% discount with them!
banned#39
See, looking at this one - and using the 20% discount I get, I can get this one for £1600 - 34mm thick, 4.19m x 4.19m with a veranda too!

And the review says it comes with shingles too!

http://www.elbecgardenbuildings.co.uk/shopimages/products/extras/abbey12x14offer%20.jpg

I think this one could be the kiddie!

Works out at £1839 with my discount. The cabin itslef is 4.19m wide x 5.39 With the veranda, it comes out as 4.19m x 6.89m And this comes with a shingle tiled roof (doesnt say it in the spec - but the review says it does) and is 34mm thick..... So I guess I need to increase my footing requirements! 4.4m x 7m Ouch... thats gonna cost! Cant believe this is so cheap!

yay... Even found the instruction manual! This doesn't look as simple as I expected!


FURTHER EDIT: Seems the price has only recently gone up at B&Q judging by the catalouge. The 4.19 x 4.19 - I could have got for just over £1350 - which would have been a steal considering the thickness, terrace and shingles... But not to dwell...

Ive now found the bigger one (well actually its slightly smaller, but is the same shed) at another supplier for £3586 for what I'd be getting from B&Q for £1839
#40
You'd do the base yourself Guv. I helped my Dad do his last year. Cost around £300 I think, we had spare concrete to put in so we saved a bit there. We also put alot of the soil in the rest of the garden and did a couple of trips to the tip with anything else. Hired a mixer for the weekend. Few bits of wood and a couple of days hard labour.

I think yours is about double the size (make sure you leave a good overlap), so you may need to double the cost above.

Suprised if someone is quoting to do it all (including digging) for £600?

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