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Low Cal Diet - Still Gaining Weight

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7y, 9m agoPosted 7 years, 9 months ago
Remember my topic about missus sister and how missus wanted her to come of the lipotrim diet

well she did and has been off it for around 10 days now

the thing is she is putting weight on and not loosing it

she is 5ft8 around 13.5 stone is eating around 800 cals a day (she made a diet diary)

yet put 3lbs on after a week and another 3lbs on this week

WTF how is that possible, plus i dont think she is cheating as missus has been with her all this week

i no about starvation mode etc but surely that cant be right

she thinks its down to the amount water she is drinking (3/4 ltrs a day) but i would think that would be all flushing out of her system
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#1
Has she tried the likes of weight watchers or slimming world??


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#2
She's eating too few calories. her body will think there is a famine and will be storing fat.
#3
Ever thought that the weight she meant to be,I'm 4" shorter than that and weigh a few lbs less but I don't really class myself as needing to go to extreme lengths to diet. Personally tell her to exercise,and eat normal,800 calories a day ain't enough.
#4
i lost 5 stone in 5 months on weight watchers..gained it in pregnancy ooops!
#5
800 calories seems low to me for a healthy weight loss, I agree that she should think of weight watchers or slimming world. Not used either but they would have the back up knowledige to help her in a healthy way.
#6
800 calories? thats crazy. her body is grabbing every calorie it can and storing it as it think she's on a famine...

better to eat more sensibly and up the exercise.
#7
to lose weight you have to excercise off twice the calorie intake
so 1000 calorie intake - you should exercise to burn off 2000 calories
#8
are these calories coming from fats, proteins, or carbs??
#9
any tips on excercise for a busy mum would riding a bike or walking the dog for an hour burn much ?
#10
here is a copy of her diet sheet m8
WEEK 1
DAY 1
WHEETABIX 127 CALS
NUTS 250 CALS
DINNER 250 CALS
4 BOTTLES OF 500ML WATER
DAY 2
CEREAL BAR 85 CALS
CEREAL 180 CALS
DINNER 300 CALS
CHICKEN 170 CALS
NUTS 200 CALS
3 BOTTLES OF 500ML WATER
DAY 3
CEREAL BAR 85 CALS
CEREAL BAR 85 CALS
NUTS 250 CALS
CRISP BREAD 90 CALS
DINNER 400 CALS
4 BOTTLES OF 500ML WATER
DAY 4
CEREAL BAR 85 CALS
YOGURT 102 CALS
CEREAL 80 CALS
DINNER 400 CALS
CRISPS 121 CALS
5 BOTTLES OF 500ML WATER
DAY 5
CEREAL BAR 85 CALS
DINNER 500 CALS
SANDWICH 400 CALS
CRISPS 121 CALS
SANDWICH 344 CALS
5 BOTTLES OF 500ML WATER
DAY 6
DINNER 900 CALS
WHEETABIX 127 CALS
YOGURT 100 CALS
5 BOTTLES OF 500ML WATER
DAY 7
DINNER 1000 CALS
1 750 ML WATER
DAY 8
BREAKFAST 700 CALS
DINNER 250 CALS
4 BOTTLES OF 750ML WATER
DAY 9
BREAKFAST BARS X 2 140 CALS
CAKE 400 CALS
DINNER 650 CALS
DINNER 2 300 CALS
4 BOTTLES OF 750ML WATER
DAY 10
CEREAL 200 CALS
DINNER 450 CALS (A GEUSS DO)
BISCUIT 300 CALS
WHEETABIX 127 CALS
4 BOTTLES OF 750ML WATER
DAY 11
BREAKFAST 400 CALS
1 BOTTLE 750ML
1 BOTTLE 500ML
1 BOTTLE 1000ML
DINNER 500 CALS
DAY 12
BREAKFAST 200 CALS
DINNER 500 CALS
CEREAL BAR 90 CALS
CHIPS 900 CALS
3 X BOTTLE'S 750ML
1 X BOTTLE 1LTR
DAY 13
CEREAL BAR 90 CALS
BANANA 100 CALS
FISH 260 CALS
PIE 164 CALS
DINNER 395 CALS
CAKE 200 CALS
4 BOTTLES OF 750ML WATER
Robcampo;4894714
are these calories coming from fats, proteins, or carbs??
#11
The key to losing weight is eating lots and lots, i know with slimming world we are limited to to A foods which is milk and cheese, and 2 b foods depending on the green or red.

If on a green day you can eat lots of potatoes and pasta, and of course veg but limited to meat as a b choice, and then on a red day you can eat meat till it falls out your eats but limited to the likes of potatoes and pasta.

Then we have what is called free foods such as fruit, veg, muller lites and other stuff, then we stock up on them during meals and just eat like a grazing cow would do.

There is a new plan where you can have 1 A and 1 B food a day but eat potatoes, meat, pasta tons off and its classed as free food.

We are allowed 15 sins a day which could be 1 mars bar, or 2 bags of crisps, whatever the sins add upto.
People have lost half a st + in a week in their first couple of weeks, bonus is as well you dont have to do any exercise but it helps.
#12
octobergirl
to lose weight you have to excercise off twice the calorie intake
so 1000 calorie intake - you should exercise to burn off 2000 calories


sorry, but thats really bad advice.
any calories burnt that are more than consumed will help lose weight

approx 3500 calories = 1lb - so if you burn off 3500 calories per week more than you consume ( allowing for the amount you body needs to function) you should lose 1lb in weight

if you only eat 1000 calories but burn off 2000 your body will store any and all fat it gets... and is likely to become catabolic (consuming muscle(organs are muscle) for energy+storing fat)
#13
amcol
The key to losing weight is eating lots and lots, i know with slimming world we are limited to to A foods which is milk and cheese, and 2 b foods depending on the green or red.

If on a green day you can eat lots of potatoes and pasta, and of course veg but limited to meat as a b choice, and then on a red day you can eat meat till it falls out your eats but limited to the likes of potatoes and pasta.

Then we have what is called free foods such as fruit, veg, muller lites and other stuff, then we stock up on them during meals and just eat like a grazing cow would do.

There is a new plan where you can have 1 A and 1 B food a day but eat potatoes, meat, pasta tons off and its classed as free food.

We are allowed 15 sins a day which could be 1 mars bar, or 2 bags of crisps, whatever the sins add upto.
People have lost half a st + in a week in their first couple of weeks, bonus is as well you dont have to do any exercise but it helps.


then watch it double back on once you stop.... thats the key to these diets - they are a business, dont forget once you stop going you will not lose weight, thus you go back hence more money for them
(ther will be exceptions to anything so if anyone is different then you could well be it)
#14
Looking at that diary a typical Slimming world one would be on an extra easy day (new plan)

A) 350ml of skimmed milk
B) 28g of Shreddies

Free Foods
Muller lite x 3, banana, apple, mince, slimming world chips, baked beans, 4 rashers of bacon, 2 fried (in frylite) eggs, potatoes, coffee, diet coke, Fanta Zero, blackberries, melon, boiled egg, carrots - and could be as many as 10 more things on a free food list.

Sins
4 measured single vodkas with diet coke - 10 sins
Bag of walkers baked crisps - 5 (maybe 6) sins.
#15
Robcampo
then watch it double back on once you stop.... thats the key to these diets - they are a business, dont forget once you stop going you will not lose weight, thus you go back hence more money for them
(ther will be exceptions to anything so if anyone is different then you could well be it)


I dont think this is personally true as you can go free once you hit your target weight, i know people who have hit their target weight and still go to group 12 yrs later and they get the group and weigh in free every week without fail, they dont have to come if they dont want to but do to stay on track.

The point is as well is to actually change your eating habits and not slip back into eating crap all the time.
#16
for a 5'8 person weight 13,8 i would guesstimate 2000 calories to maintain her weight - including light excercise, the gov't guideline is ****** for most people - if she is a busy mum she should need around 2200 cals just to maintain her weight, so you can see why 800 is a craxzy amount
#17
amcol
I dont think this is personally true as you can go free once you hit your target weight, i know people who have hit their target weight and still go to group 12 yrs later and they get the group and weigh in free every week without fail, they dont have to come if they dont want to but do to stay on track.

The point is as well is to actually change your eating habits and not slip back into eating crap all the time.


as i say there will always be exceptions to what i wrote, some people once they learn will keep it up, some ppl go to weight watchers and still put weight on....

the point im making is that that diet isnt really the best, your body needs a good mix of fats, carbs (simple + complex), and protein..
i dont know about slimming worlds maintainance plans etc so i really cant comment, but as a business student i know there strategic plan (one they wont tell you) is to keep you coming back.... same with weightwatchers, they let u join for free because they know you will keep on going... profit profit profit, they arnt a charity...
#18
Those cereal bars are full of rubbish. She really shouldn't eat them. They will make you gain weight as they make you retain water.
She is also eating way too many carbs.
I did lipotrim a year ago as I gained weight after I gave up smoking. I lost 3 and 1/2 stone. Once I came off it I stuck to a very low cab diet (no bread, cereals, pasta or rice) and I have kept all the weight off with no trouble. Obviously, I eat bread etc on occasions (if we go out/holidays) but generally never eat it.
#19
Well we know they do it as they are franchises so the consultants have to charge, as its their own business in a way and have to make money.

I personally enjoy it and find it works, and my friend has lost 5 st from it. It does take to keep sticking at it and not letting your mind go backwards which can be hard, more fool the people who wont stick to their target weight and stay as a member for free, as like you say more than likely they will gain weight and then rejoin the group again, so costing them again!
#20
I cannot think of any way that she could be gaining weight on 800C a day, over the two week period.
I can only suggest that the calculations are somehow off.
Is everything being included e.g. milk with the Weetabix?
Not looking at energy for 100g/per portion/ whatever instead of what is actually being eaten?

It's not rocket science, although difficult:
More exercise. less eating is the way to a healthy body weight distribution.
#21
cezne
Those cereal bars are full of rubbish. She really shouldn't eat them. They will make you gain weight as they make you retain water.
She is also eating way too many carbs.
I did lipotrim a year ago as I gained weight after I gave up smoking. I lost 3 and 1/2 stone. Once I came off it I stuck to a very low cab diet (no bread, cereals, pasta or rice) and I have kept all the weight off with no trouble. Obviously, I eat bread etc on occasions (if we go out/holidays) but generally never eat it.


op, please ignore this... whilst it is true in some respects

YOU MUST EAT CARBS!!!!!

there iv said it, wow that must have shocked people....

brown pasta is brill for you, as are the other wholegrains - brown bread/rice etc you must eat carbs... the problem is simple and complet carbs

simple - sugary/white refined - fast digested foods = bad
complex - wholegrains brown rice/pasta/veg ( this is the tricky one, not all veg is good eg a plate of potatos would be really bad as they are starchy foods (carb rich) as are carrots and someothers - green veg is the best - altho carrots and potatos are still allowed- just moderation...

i cannot stress how important protein is to your diet, the gov't states 45g protein for everyone..
protein repairs your body, gives you a sense of fullness and energy/fuel for the body - im not advocating atkins style diets, they are again terrible...

proteins combined with carbs are seen as the key, due to the way they can help digest (amino acids in protein break down carbs(put simply))
#22
amcol
Well we know they do it as they are franchises so the consultants have to charge, as its their own business in a way and have to make money.

I personally enjoy it and find it works, and my friend has lost 5 st from it. It does take to keep sticking at it and not letting your mind go backwards which can be hard, more fool the people who wont stick to their target weight and stay as a member for free, as like you say more than likely they will gain weight and then rejoin the group again, so costing them again!


no i fully agree these groups are brill for many many people... its just the boost they need to get going, the confidence of everyone being in the same position as them, something to achieve, the 'im at class i must not cheat' effect is brill, im just saying that the diets they give only really work in that situation (again ther will be people it will work for)

if you go to that class and it works great for you then thats what matters and you should be proud of losing weight
#23
wow so much advice its seems to be 50/50 some say dont eat carbs some say do lol im confused so god no's how i can pass on the info, im starting to think she seriously would be better off on the lipotrim but @ the same time learning what she can n cant eat once she hits her targert, is there a site or factsheet maybe showing over a day what could/should be eaten and how much - portion sizes etc
#24
also an hours walking the dog will surely burn near on sod all cals wise lol
banned#25
You haven't mentioned when she works out of if she even does. That's the key to losing weight.

Carbs have their place in a balanced diet, but starvation doesn't. Your metabolism needs to keep ticking over so that means smaller meals every 2-3 hours, never letting yourself get hungry.

Breakfast should provide the bulk of your carbs, then a mid morning snack. Eating 800 calories is moronic and will put your body into 'starvation mode'. She'll become lethargic and her body will store fat.
#26
i could talk all day about whats best and whats good, but as i say that would take all day.... if anyone wants any specific advice ill try to help....

back to your sil, as mentioned above them brekki bars are terrible....

the key to losing weight is to forget the calorie counting, whilst it is important, eating your cals from simple carbs will go stright to fat
taking day one as an example, nuts contain high levels of fat, whilst these are good and the fat is good, consuming 1/4 of your calories from nuts isnt good......

wholegrain foods are good for ya, get them...

(please no one quote me claiming im wrong, iv simplified things down to try and help)


right a quick suggestion from me.....

brekki -
2 weetabix +milk/yogurt small handful of berries(not dried)
OR
2boiled or scrambled eggs + 1 slice of wholemeal/rye/ toast with (thinly spread)peanut butter

Lunch
Leek + potato soup
OR
Chicken stay wrap
OR
tuna salad (full can - small amount of mayo/spread cheese)+ small amount of brown rice/pasta

Dinner
Chicken curry - with brown basmati rice (not a korma, too creamy... try tomato based or make own)
OR
chilli con carne with sesame cornbread (try with quorn mince - less fat)
OR
spag bol with brown rice (try with quorn mince - less fat)
OR
smoked salmon (with small amount of pesto to taste) + 3 boiled baby pots + couple roasted cherry toms

Snacks ( any 2 - dont have to have them, only if wanted)
100g berries
apple+ 5 almonds
1 desert spoon nuts/seeds
2 oak cakes + peanut butter/cottage cheese


Drink
Unlimited Water (be healthy, light straw coloured wee required)
unlimited herbal tea (no sugar/milk)
1glass or diluted juice (not fresh)


right thats from top of head of me n gf (i aim to get between 3000 - 5000 cals and 200g+protein per day for the gym - NOT WITH THIS DIET--- ON SEPERATE BULKING DIET)
diet above prob contains around 1000- 2000 cals - you can make this as healthy or as unhealthy as you want obviously, eg if you have massive portions itll be even more, you meal should be approx 2 cupped hands (give or take) i recon that diet will be about 1000 cals plus any snacks - so 1200 ish, if she is used to eating 800 cals this shouldnt be a prob - and snacks wont be needed - altho the amount of sugar she is used to getting from cereal bars etc could leave her hungry for first few days (sugar/carb cravings etc, altho the sugar would leave her craving more).... drink water instead

edit: lovely oh just checked and all that is good to go, no mistakes, but feel free to check calories etc and adjust as necessary


as mentioned above eating smaller meals spread out across the day is better still, but i appreciate this isnt posible for everyone- if it is then simple cut the meal in half and eat it twice....eg 11am then 1.30/2pm

if the option is between walking the dog or sitting and watching tele the dogs the best option, just speed up you walking till your not out of breath after about 20 -30 min, but not dawdling- after an hour you should have a slight sweat, that shows your heart has got pumping will help lose weight - its better to walk for an hour and get slightly sweaty that run for 10 mins......

so yea, take the dog out, take the kids, throw a toy (if dog goes off lead) make it fun, remember your kids will grow up enjoying this, not sat infront of a tele.....


(JUST EDITED - PLEASE RE READ)
banned#27
amcol
The key to losing weight is eating lots and lots, i know with slimming world we are limited to to A foods which is milk and cheese, and 2 b foods depending on the green or red.

If on a green day you can eat lots of potatoes and pasta, and of course veg but limited to meat as a b choice, and then on a red day you can eat meat till it falls out your eats but limited to the likes of potatoes and pasta.

Then we have what is called free foods such as fruit, veg, muller lites and other stuff, then we stock up on them during meals and just eat like a grazing cow would do.

There is a new plan where you can have 1 A and 1 B food a day but eat potatoes, meat, pasta tons off and its classed as free food.

We are allowed 15 sins a day which could be 1 mars bar, or 2 bags of crisps, whatever the sins add upto.
People have lost half a st + in a week in their first couple of weeks, bonus is as well you dont have to do any exercise but it helps.


Sorry, but this 'green days' and 'sin foods' is dieting for dummies. Maybe educating people on what food they need for their aims would be better.

What the heck is 'free food'? Of course you'll lose half a stone in a week - you'll do that on practically any diet.

The whole point is that diets are pointless. What you need is a lifestyle change. Move away from eating pointless food regularly and learn what it is that your body needs.
#28
cheers for the help rep will be left for u all by the end of the day, will try copy n paste some of this and print it out, does anyone no what excersise is best for a busy mum, i no she has a bike as well, its just trying to help her find time to do something thats worth her while for example 45 mins bike ride will burn off how many cals, does anyone no ?
#29
Dub1
cheers for the help rep will be left for u all by the end of the day, will try copy n paste some of this and print it out, does anyone no what excersise is best for a busy mum, i no she has a bike as well, its just trying to help her find time to do something thats worth her while for example 45 mins bike ride will burn off how many cals, does anyone no ?


i just hope iv helped, its obviously up to you who you listen too, but i beleive i have substantiated everything iv written, and anyone can check this for them selves...

the problem is its easy to just trundle along doing anything...
eg half hour on bike could just be going to the shops, or could be 5 miles.... the key is to try and push your self a bit more all the time.... work up a light sweat over 45 mins to an hour!
have fun with the kids run about and be happy.... take the dogs out, dont make it seem to be a chore to do exercise...
#30
Light sweat in 30-45 mins, i sweat after 5 mins ROFL!!!

Although im one of these people that sweat at the thought of sweating.
#31
you and others both made superb points, the thing is what your saying about food etc is bang on but again i think balanced with say a weight watchers and then using your way and the next step would make it work great i think, thats where most fail, the lose the weight then go out and eat n eat n eat and get back to square one
Robcampo;4895323
i just hope iv helped, its obviously up to you who you listen too, but i beleive i have substantiated everything iv written, and anyone can check this for them selves...

the problem is its easy to just trundle along doing anything...
eg half hour on bike could just be going to the shops, or could be 5 miles.... the key is to try and push your self a bit more all the time.... work up a light sweat over 45 mins to an hour!
have fun with the kids run about and be happy.... take the dogs out, dont make it seem to be a chore to do exercise...
#32
eating far too less calories which slows down metabolism
eat 5-6 meals a day of clean food to keep metabolism high and body working efficiently and drink plenty of water
i followed this and in 1 month lost loads, now i feel a bit too skinny so i may have to bulk up again
banned#33
1200 cals a day and exercise is the best way forward
#34
I did not say stop carbs altogether!!!!
I eat carbs but the right ones. Bread/chips/crisps/cereals/white rice and pasta all laden with too much starch and are not good. Can anyone find me research to say they are?

I too was simplifing what I was saying, just to get a point across (everyone on this site takes everything so literally). The point is, chips and cereal bars are not good for weight loss even if you are counting the calories. You need sensible carbs from vegetables (and yes, some brown rice etc).
#35
dieting does not work, it is not sustainable, the weight a person gains is gained in small increments over years and years.... therefore to effectively take this weigh off you need a similar long term change in lifestyle, dieting is not the answer as what happens when you come off the diet? weight goes back on as you have not learned to eat properly, them diets with free foods etc are the biggest rip off imaginable, purely money making schemes for the owners. as if food can be 'free' all foods have calories. Such 'binge dieting' usually only leads to muscle loss, which leads to a lower metabolic rate which you guessed it leads to the syndrome of 'i now eat less than before but still gain weight' as you r body burns off less calories than before due to loss of muscle mass.

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#36
i just feel really sorry for your wife's sister... what kind of a life is she having if every second of the day she is worrying about how much she weighs and what she looks like and how many calories she's putting into her mouth? That's carp... life is too short for all this. She should be enjoying herself and living her life not being calorie-obsessed. It's *mentally* and *emotionally* unhealthy and wont do her any good in the long term.

Have her find an exercise she really likes, swimming is great because everyone is light in water. Whatever she chooses have her do it frequently. Exercises releases "feel good " endorphins that will help pick up her mood and help her not to concentrate so much on food or the need to control it.

God, on 800 calories a day she must dream about the damn stuff. That's an awful way to treat yourself.
#37
Some really good advice here, 800 calories is wayyyy too low. her body thinks she is starving, her metabolism has probably slowed to a crawl.

She needs to eat at least 1800 calories a day IMO, but personally I don't think she should count cals at all. Just stick to healthy eating, wholegrain instead of the white bread/pasta ALWAYS, grill not fry, choose the lite versions of food where possible.

The diet mentality is detrimental full stop, she shouldn't disallow any food, if she fancies a bit of chocolate she should have it. No eating late at night, as others have said, 4-6 small meals a day is better.

Breakfast like a King, Lunch like a Prince, Dine like a Pauper.

As for exercise, she could try running with the dog? even just running around on a field with a ball etc.
#38
ChipSticks
Some really good advice here, 800 calories is wayyyy too low. her body thinks she is starving, her metabolism has probably slowed to a crawl.

She needs to eat at least 1800 calories a day IMO, but personally I don't think she should count cals at all. Just stick to healthy eating, wholegrain instead of the white bread/pasta ALWAYS, grill not fry, choose the lite versions of food where possible.

The diet mentality is detrimental full stop, she shouldn't disallow any food, if she fancies a bit of chocolate she should have it. No eating late at night, as others have said, 4-6 small meals a day is better.

Breakfast like a King, Lunch like a Prince, Dine like a Pauper.

As for exercise, she could try running with the dog? even just running around on a field with a ball etc.


also, beware labelling.. " low fat" sometimes means " high sugar" for instance meringue has no fat in it, but look its pure sugar.

loads of labels are misleading.

low GI foods are far more healthy than avoiding carbs altogether.. your body needs ALL the food groups.
#39
yea as the rest of the posts are basically agreeing with all i put earlier i hope you have got some good info for your sister in law and manages to find something that works for her!

Rob
#40
Dub1
cheers for the help rep will be left for u all by the end of the day, will try copy n paste some of this and print it out, does anyone no what excersise is best for a busy mum, i no she has a bike as well, its just trying to help her find time to do something thats worth her while for example 45 mins bike ride will burn off how many cals, does anyone no ?


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